i can get on board with Letty suffering from amnesia. i can even get on board with Owen Shaw ending up in a coma (but not how quickly he recovered). but Han's retcon made absolutely no sense and just felt contrived and convoluted.
Somehow basically meaning "We literally don't have the guts or brains to do or even try anything different. So here's some shit we know you like... Don't spend any time thinking about how stupid it is or how little narrative sense it makes."
@@stevegallo8483 the pitch meetings channel describes it perfectly. The Screenwriter is so delightfully dumb and has not a single original idea. And he almost seems proud of how bankrupt and dumb the movies he pitches are.
I always thought the Harry’s return was a tongue-in-cheek statement about the fan’s demands in franchises as a whole. Like, the producers said “we kill off the favorite character in the first movie, and then in the second movie, we bring him back…but we kill off everyone else”. I actually thought it was funny as hell in a dark comedy sort of way.
Barbossa wasn't just 'resurrected by a voodoo practicioner'. She's Calypso who is literally stated to be a legit goddess. It's a hell of a lot more believable in the POTC universe than many of the others on this list.
I must admit...I NEVER understand why WhatCulture, and all the other similar content makers, make titles with such ABSOLUTE statements: "EVERYONE hated", "NO-ONE liked", "EVERYONE praises"...well no, they don't. Positive OR negative, you'll be hard-pressed to find anything that EVERYONE agrees with, so why make such a stupid claim?
Yeah, you miss fired on the Barbosa bit. He's exactly the foil that Jack needed - see how rough the 2nd movie is, without him - and they actually made his resurrection a key point of the 3rd movie so it wasn't a hand-wave return.
also, it wasn't inexplicable. he's lying dead on the bed when jack and co first visit tia and the undead monkey runs to him and sits on the bed, where you see his boots. i thought tia had some deal with him, i will have to watch the 3rd one again because that's where i got the impression, but i could be wrong. also, i thought that he was well received by fans after the revelation of his return. it's been awhile, i shall have to revisit the trilogy.
8:06 Wait, wait, wait! People hated Barbossa's return in Dead Man's Chest? I've heard a lot of people were surprised when they saw him return at the end of Dead Man's Chest. Hell, even the actors who who were involved in the production of Dead Man's Chest didn't know that Barbossa was gonna be resurrected until that very end. And besides, there was hints of something happening in Tia Dalma's hut when you briefly see what appeared to be pirate boots on an unseen corpse on a bed, of which, Jack the Monkey ran towards. Which indicated that Jack knew who the corpse. And who did Jack the Monkey interacted with the most in Curse of the Black Pearl? Barbossa. And considering that it is established that Tia was a practitioner of the dark arts, it's not that far off to see Barbosa was going to be resurrected in a future Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Plus, it's not really a retcon of a character's death if the person was actually dead, but was later revived in a future film through the logical means that the movie had established.
Barbosa wasn't retconed at the end of the movie. When Jack goes to see Mama Dalma (who's NOT a voodoo witch, but a godess) for the first time, you can see that Jack (the monkey) after being released from the cage goes to the backroom and if you pay atention, there is someone laying on a bed (you can see his boots). She had a plan all along, and needed Barbosa for it, regardless of what happened to our beloved Captain Jack Sparrow. :)
I don't know anyone who disliked Barbossa's resurrection. It wasn't a retcon either, so this one is dead wrong. I will go so far as to say this is an example of a resurrection done properly.
Agent Lindsey Perez had a retconned death in the Saw movies. In Saw IV, she sustained shrapnel wounds and was revealed to have died in Saw V. However, Agent Perez was alive (her "death" was meant to be a protective cover) in Saw VI, only to die toward the end of the movie when Agent Hoffman's Jigsaw identity was exposed and he stabbed her.
On "Harry Hart" coming back: I made up my own 'Head Canon' for that. When asked where did they get something like that from, Halle's character says: "We got it from a couple of visitors to New Mexico in '47, but we only have a limited amount" Thus explaining away why they have something that is super High Tech even for them, and saying that they use it very sparingly because they don't have a lot (not even using it to save certain world leaders who suffered similar injuries....as far as we know 😅)
The biggest issue with the retcon of Palatine's death is that now he is never dead. Even if he died at the end of Rise of Skywalker, he probably has more clones out in the galaxy and yet again could return. Even if Disney would "confirm" he is dead, it's still not confirmed because of the implications.
And now Dave FIloni has used all the series he has a part in to explain the "somehow" lol. Between The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch, it's slowly becoming more apparent.
I don't know any PotC fans who disliked Barbossa being brought back. Aside from Jack, Barbossa is arguably the best character and he has some great scenes in At World's End.
@@josiahstoehr1297 100%. Robot Chicken has more credible writing than Disney. After all, Seth Green is a true Star Wars fan, whereas Kathleen Kennedy hates Star Wars.
I just wanna say that I would've loved to see a third Spider-Man where he teams up with his thought to be dead dad to solve the cold case of his mother's death.
I would have loved to see a third Spider-Man with Andrew Garfield. He really got short-changed. Thankfully, his inclusion in No Way Home did help give him a redemption arc.
Yeah, the Barbossa one is just incorrect. Tia Dalma, while bound in human form, still has some access to her powers as the goddess, Calypso; Barbossa still died, but she brought him back to life - initially it is a bit of a mystery, but the Calypso reveal explains it. Also, I doubt a single POTC fan was upset at Barbossa’s return, since he has great chemistry with Jack Sparrow, which works better than the fairly flat Will Turner.
Yeah, but at least there they had the openly 'cloned' excuse. Even adding her to the suburbs Sim environment as a Prius driving anti-gun Hipster vegan! (Talk about off-stereotype!)
Concerning Palpatine, SW fans are used to the idea of Palpatine returning. It happened in the EU. It's just the way it was written, especially the infamous line, that's the problem here with his return.
I know I’m in the minority here, but I really liked that fifth Pirates film. Barbosa was my favorite character, so the focus on him was welcome. Plus it was a fun movie.
For Captain Spalding, since he was killed at the beginning of the third movie offscreen via state execution, they should have just said that he didn't survive.
We can all agree the Star Wars prequels could have had some rewrites before it released, but they flopped with Palps... I think he follows up with something about sith alchemy, but an average joe barely knows what a sith is. Even if we'd seen him already, they could have written the scene in a way where they doubt his return, and the movie could have pieced it together, could have just made it some imposter, whatever... that certainly wasn't the only issue with the film...
It's weird that you somehow have footage of both The Quickening and The Rise of Skywalker when it is a well known fact that neither movie actually exists and are just mass hallucinations. 😉
It bothers me even more when the dead are brought back in the SAME movie! Just one (three) example is when Kylo Ren died FOUR times in the Rise of Skywalker. He died in a Tie fighter crash, he died taking a light saber to the chest, he died falling down a bottomless pit, and once more died by force saving Rey. There are countless examples of a scene ending with the hero presumably dead (get out your hankey) only to have them at top form in the next scene!
It wasn't a retcon, since they were dropping breadcrumbs throughout Wrath of Khan, but for the third Star Trek movie to be about bringing Spock back from the dead ruined one of the only significant moments that franchise ever achieved.
Barbossa's return is simple and can be explained by two different ways: 1. he got an aztec coin just before dying, thus becoming undead a second time. Or 2. Calypso ressurected him because she is a goddess. Jack Sparrow's return from death is a 1000 times worse.
Considering that Barbarossa was, at the end of the fifth Pirates movie, canonically pushing 80 years old, uh, I’m not complaining that he died again. For a pirate lord like Hector Barbarossa, dying in bed from tuberculosis or something might be worse than just dying at sea.
I don't care about how Palpatine survived. That's the least of the sequels problems. I care about how he kept huge swathes of soldiers underground in huge corelian ships and they all stayed quiet till someone showed up. What the hell was that? What were these people eating? Where did they come from? Are they clones? Are they born there? Are there hospitals in that planet? How many times did they test those ships coming from the underground? Did they know it was going to work? What did they do all day? Nothing makes any sense in that film.
Giving Barbossa's corpse a cursed coin would not have revived him. Elizabeth owned a cursed coin for ten years and wasn't cursed. The curse would only affect those who stole the coins directly from the chest. And no, the end credit scene didn't show the monkey giving Barbossa a coin. It showed the monkey taking a coin and becoming cursed again.
If I remember the source material correctly, bringing the Kingsman guy back was cannon. He was shot through the peephole of a door in the first story then repaired with Nano-tech. Bit they took so much liberty with the the story anyway and changed it so much that it sucked, that no one care if they got it wrong. And then they tried to get it right but just made it silly.
From what I've heard, audiences watching #7 in the cinema stood up and applauded the final moments. So that retcon stings even more. Because the apparent death was met with great reception.
Barbossa was a fan favourite. He dies in COTBP as a selfish, uncaring villain. He then spends the next few movies on somewhat of a redemption arc. Still out for himself but also risking his life for allies until he eventually sacrifices himself to save his long lost daughter. An unloving character resurrected does for love. I remember when your writers used to understand movies and things such as character arcs. This channel has really went downhill
One of the most annoying things about the extended Star Wars universe is the fact they're using a lot of it to justify the return of Palpatine. Nothing's gonna stop it being bad, just move on
You got your top two mixed up, your number one is an easily glossed-over minor retcon in a trilogy that lasted five years, people barely remember that retcon. Your number two overhauled the entire story of a nine-movie forty-two year franchise (being generous including the sequels), completely missing it's own point about hope and redemption and further destroying what was once the most popular film franchise in the world.
Kingsman 2: I wish they had just said he was saved because...some people actually survive being shot in the head! Being shot in the eye could help; the ocular bone could help direct the bullet into a less severe injury. "They called an ambulance," is a way simpler explanation than some nano mask thing.
First of all, I love me some Hollywood amnesia so don't go dissing it as a plot point. All of these are fantasy or scifi movies (yes, clearly the Kingmen series, and TFATF series are fantasy series) . I'm fine with some retconned deaths. I was fine with Letty coming back. I thought the way they originally retconned the entire series to make it before Han's death and the weight hanging over the character for the audience because of that was really cool, but I also understand that IRL losing a member of the family made losing one in the movies for real much harder for fans. I was happy they brought Harry back, but not the way they did it and not at the expense of killing off everybody else. They could just as easily have had him survive that head wound because his spy glasses deflected the bullet just enough and the American branch had an amazing surgeon.
Everyone was pumped when they brought Han back, we basically insisted that they do it. I don't think anyone cares when stuff in F&F doesn't make sense.
Elena's death was poorly done anyway. They just brought her back and gave Dom a son specifically to kill her off. They essentially put the major 'Is Dom evil now' plot point on the one person that wasn't a part of the group but had ties to Dom. Letty's death was an easy retcon. Han's though... that was pure retconium. They could even bring back Giselle because she just kinda fell backwards into darkness and was never seen again. But Han? Even the explanation for how he survived doesn't make sense.
Harry coming back didn't really bother me. First of all, people survive being shot in the head. It's obviously not very common, but it _does_ happen. Furthermore, there are a handful of cases where the person suffered little to no long-term brain damage and essentially made a fully recovery. So, the nano machine explanation wasn't even entirely necessary. As for realism...I mean...bulletproof umbrellas guys...
As crappy as Palpatine's return was, at least the SW shows are expanding on stuff like that with Mandalorian giving a lot of context and Ahsoka potentially adding even more.
There's no "because magic" about Barbossa's resurrection. The voodoo witch is really the sea goddess Calypso trapped in human form, so resurrecting a single puny human doesn't seem that out of bounds really.
Calistro was a sealed/restrained godess, someone on that level bringing a dead person back to life sounds far more reasonable to me then a voodoo priestess...
I think you're going too deep with Spiderman 3 because it was still Pete's fault Uncle Ben died, Marko was ready to stand down but the guy caused him to shoot him, so it's still his fault in the end
Here's one that happened within the same movie: Professor X in X-Men: The Last Stand. Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix kills him but in the end it turns out he's alive in a different body... so sequel-bait in a movie that's supposed to be the finale. And it managed to belittle the death of Cyclops even more,. "Don't worry, folks! Professor X is just fine! Cyclops is still dead but who gives a sh*t, am I right? Not like any of the other characters did."
Star Wars the rise of skywalker is a awful fan service that nobody wants,put big middle finger strain on the stars wars franchise/lore, love to forget about all together too.
It wasn't even fanservice. It was what happens when a studio is so dead set on the trilogy format that the the film had to be two different films smashed together and put on fast forward. Add in the problems they had with directors and the script, TFA killing off Han, TLJ killing off Luke (both in terms of characterization and actual life), Carrie Fisher dying (RIP) , and the replacement director's inability to do anything but nostalgia baiting and you wind up with RoS.
@@shinzero0271Han's death was Harrison Ford's fault, as he insisted Han be killed off of he was going to do the movie. Luke becomes a Force Ghost in the third one, and appears more after being dead in TROS, than he did, alive, in TFA. Princess Leia's death was a result of Carrie Fisher's death, brought on by playing Russian Roulette for years with her life by filling it with drugs and alcohol. So two of the deaths were out of Disney's hands, and they had no choice, and the other was a character who could be a ghost after death anyway. Also, the fans wanted someone other than Lucas to make "Star Wars" films, and cheered when Lucas sold to Disney, since after the PREQUELS, George Lucas was apparently a "hack who was never any good, and the original films were thanks to advice from others, like Kathleen Kennedy, who you now all bag. You all wanted Luke, Leia and Han, not Rey, Finn and Poe. You wanted the original characters. You all jizzed your pants when Han Solo said "Chewie, we're home" in the trailer. You got what you asked for, what you wanted, and still weren't happy. It is the fault of the impossible to please crybaby Star Wars fans who are at fault. It's Your faults. With fans like SW, who needs critics. About time you all grew up and got a life.
Are these really retcons? I consider retcons to be stuff where the director or writer contradicts stuff that happened in prior content. This is just extra reveals, no ("Surprise, he IS alive"). It's not like they said, "no he didn't fall down the reactor". We didn't actually see Palpatine dead (like his body shown to us).
They brought Harry back but killed Merlin; they literally had a good tier hacking tool, just hack the mines. (This could be done as Poppy deactivated the mines earlier in the film)
Out of all of these Kingsmen should have been at #1, it was the most pointless retcon of them all. All the others at least tried to serve a purpose of some sort.
Nit pick, i will. 7 films into a horror film franchise, and I'm pretty sure no one believed that MM was dead, not for an instance. Maybe more surprised that it took 4 years to bring him back?!
Ben Parker's death at the hands of Sandman instead of the carjacker is straight out of the comics and was one of the only details of Spider-Man 3 that was right. Barbosa was resurrected by a goddess, not just some voodoo woman, you made yourself sound ignorant about one of the biggest movie franchises of the early 21st century. Galahad/Harry's survival was courtesy of the Statesmen, not the Kingsmen, and Alpha Gel couldn't be used on just anyone because it was explicitly stated to be there to prevent death by being shot in the head. Was it contrived for the sole purpose of bringing the character back? Yes. Does it cheapen all of the other deaths? Not even remotely.
i can get on board with Letty suffering from amnesia. i can even get on board with Owen Shaw ending up in a coma (but not how quickly he recovered). but Han's retcon made absolutely no sense and just felt contrived and convoluted.
They launched a Fiero into space. The series is a Looney Tunes cartoon.
@film fan poor fan service. it really just cheapens Tokyo Drift on rewatch as a result now
@@pacheaco727 you don't need logic when you got family!
@@Stefan_Gerards and Coronas
i could not get on bord with everything these "films" did since part 2
"Somehow Palpatine returned" is the best description of modern Hollywood writing
Yet Hollywood screen writers are striking for more money despite their lack of original ideas.
No not really. He came back in Legends as well.
Somehow basically meaning "We literally don't have the guts or brains to do or even try anything different. So here's some shit we know you like... Don't spend any time thinking about how stupid it is or how little narrative sense it makes."
@@stevegallo8483 the pitch meetings channel describes it perfectly. The Screenwriter is so delightfully dumb and has not a single original idea. And he almost seems proud of how bankrupt and dumb the movies he pitches are.
We get it, you couldn't be bothered to actually follow the storyline so you decide it's shite writing.
I always thought the Harry’s return was a tongue-in-cheek statement about the fan’s demands in franchises as a whole.
Like, the producers said “we kill off the favorite character in the first movie, and then in the second movie, we bring him back…but we kill off everyone else”.
I actually thought it was funny as hell in a dark comedy sort of way.
That fact that "Somehow, Palpatine has returned" is canon will never not infuriate me to no end.
Maybe that "somehow" is what Finn wanted to tell Rey in the quicksand scene. But alas, we'll never know...
then i guess the whole palpatine as a ghost in EU is stupid as well. cuz he just lmao hey i am here to ruin your sons, okay bye.
When I saw that he was back, I was hoping it was going to be Essence Transfer from legends, but was let down.
Honestly? I don't mind the revival of Barbossa. Mainly because he's one of my favorite characters.
Tia Dama is not just a voodoo practitioner: she’s Calypso. A goddess.
Highlander 2 does not exist. It never happened.
All 3 Highlander movies were awful
AGREED!!!!
Just like there are only 3 Indiana Jones movies. ONLY THREE.
it should have listened to it's own tag line: "There can be only one"
It's one of my favorite bad movies. I have it on VHS. It is bafflingly awful and I love it
At this point, nobody dies in fast and furious
They become family.
Only Jesse and Vince have stayed dead I wouldn't be surprised Gal Gadot Gisele returns
Also Elena
@@Lopez03Eduardo. there’s rumors that she could appear in fast x
@@noahmagana137 if Owen could survive that it's possible she could have too
Barbossa wasn't just 'resurrected by a voodoo practicioner'. She's Calypso who is literally stated to be a legit goddess. It's a hell of a lot more believable in the POTC universe than many of the others on this list.
Not to mention, it's to show that Jack Sparrow can/will be brought back
yup, a depowered goddess is still a goddess.
I must admit...I NEVER understand why WhatCulture, and all the other similar content makers, make titles with such ABSOLUTE statements: "EVERYONE hated", "NO-ONE liked", "EVERYONE praises"...well no, they don't. Positive OR negative, you'll be hard-pressed to find anything that EVERYONE agrees with, so why make such a stupid claim?
Yeah, you miss fired on the Barbosa bit. He's exactly the foil that Jack needed - see how rough the 2nd movie is, without him - and they actually made his resurrection a key point of the 3rd movie so it wasn't a hand-wave return.
Nah dead man’s chest is fantastic
also, it wasn't inexplicable. he's lying dead on the bed when jack and co first visit tia and the undead monkey runs to him and sits on the bed, where you see his boots. i thought tia had some deal with him, i will have to watch the 3rd one again because that's where i got the impression, but i could be wrong. also, i thought that he was well received by fans after the revelation of his return. it's been awhile, i shall have to revisit the trilogy.
8:06 Wait, wait, wait! People hated Barbossa's return in Dead Man's Chest? I've heard a lot of people were surprised when they saw him return at the end of Dead Man's Chest. Hell, even the actors who who were involved in the production of Dead Man's Chest didn't know that Barbossa was gonna be resurrected until that very end. And besides, there was hints of something happening in Tia Dalma's hut when you briefly see what appeared to be pirate boots on an unseen corpse on a bed, of which, Jack the Monkey ran towards. Which indicated that Jack knew who the corpse. And who did Jack the Monkey interacted with the most in Curse of the Black Pearl? Barbossa. And considering that it is established that Tia was a practitioner of the dark arts, it's not that far off to see Barbosa was going to be resurrected in a future Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Plus, it's not really a retcon of a character's death if the person was actually dead, but was later revived in a future film through the logical means that the movie had established.
The fact that they reconned everything we knew about Uncle Bens death was the biggest insult in Spiderman 3
Barbosa wasn't retconed at the end of the movie. When Jack goes to see Mama Dalma (who's NOT a voodoo witch, but a godess) for the first time, you can see that Jack (the monkey) after being released from the cage goes to the backroom and if you pay atention, there is someone laying on a bed (you can see his boots). She had a plan all along, and needed Barbosa for it, regardless of what happened to our beloved Captain Jack Sparrow. :)
ENDOR
was a forest moon
it didn't have a massive ocean
DEATH STAR 2
was completely blown up
I don't know anyone who disliked Barbossa's resurrection. It wasn't a retcon either, so this one is dead wrong. I will go so far as to say this is an example of a resurrection done properly.
Highlander 2 was so bad that most Highlander fan consider it to not exist in canon... lol
Agent Lindsey Perez had a retconned death in the Saw movies. In Saw IV, she sustained shrapnel wounds and was revealed to have died in Saw V. However, Agent Perez was alive (her "death" was meant to be a protective cover) in Saw VI, only to die toward the end of the movie when Agent Hoffman's Jigsaw identity was exposed and he stabbed her.
On "Harry Hart" coming back: I made up my own 'Head Canon' for that.
When asked where did they get something like that from, Halle's character says: "We got it from a couple of visitors to New Mexico in '47, but we only have a limited amount"
Thus explaining away why they have something that is super High Tech even for them, and saying that they use it very sparingly because they don't have a lot (not even using it to save certain world leaders who suffered similar injuries....as far as we know 😅)
Letty wasn't too bad. I remember at my screening, everyone popped when Letty was teased in the end credits. Han returning was just Dumb
I think having Peter’s dad be alive was a great story that I wish we had gotten a bit more of.
Whistler will be back again and again and agin perhaps he will be come a highwayman again
nice reference!!!
he could come back as the
RUBBERDUCK
The biggest issue with the retcon of Palatine's death is that now he is never dead. Even if he died at the end of Rise of Skywalker, he probably has more clones out in the galaxy and yet again could return. Even if Disney would "confirm" he is dead, it's still not confirmed because of the implications.
No no no I love Barbosa came back, he is a gem to the series with his and Jack's banter
SAN RAIMI'S
SPIDER-MAN trilogy
is as perfect as possible
and no remakes will be as good
And now Dave FIloni has used all the series he has a part in to explain the "somehow" lol. Between The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch, it's slowly becoming more apparent.
I don't know any PotC fans who disliked Barbossa being brought back. Aside from Jack, Barbossa is arguably the best character and he has some great scenes in At World's End.
I have never heard 1 person complain about Barbosa coming back in any capacity.
Palpatine also somehow survived the destruction of the second Deathstar. Those cultists were really quick to save his body.
He survived it in the original EU. Honestly, that's not the problem with the resurrection. The problem was the way it was written.
For that matter I take the Robot Chicken parody as canon 😂
The second Death Star somehow also survived, more or less, intact.
@@josiahstoehr1297 100%. Robot Chicken has more credible writing than Disney. After all, Seth Green is a true Star Wars fan, whereas Kathleen Kennedy hates Star Wars.
I just wanna say that I would've loved to see a third Spider-Man where he teams up with his thought to be dead dad to solve the cold case of his mother's death.
I would have loved to see a third Spider-Man with Andrew Garfield. He really got short-changed. Thankfully, his inclusion in No Way Home did help give him a redemption arc.
@@TheRockinDonkey Yep, one of the best redemption arcs in film.
@@blackrex828 I still get goosebumps when I think about it.
Glad I’m not the only one who was glad they brought Barbossa back for POTC 2 & 3. He had a good redemption arc.
FAST & FURIOUS TOKYO DRIFT
original movie shows it wasn't
SHAW who hit HAN'S car
Yeah, the Barbossa one is just incorrect. Tia Dalma, while bound in human form, still has some access to her powers as the goddess, Calypso; Barbossa still died, but she brought him back to life - initially it is a bit of a mystery, but the Calypso reveal explains it.
Also, I doubt a single POTC fan was upset at Barbossa’s return, since he has great chemistry with Jack Sparrow, which works better than the fairly flat Will Turner.
Michelle Rodriguez also was brought back in the resident evil series
Yeah, but at least there they had the openly 'cloned' excuse. Even adding her to the suburbs Sim environment as a Prius driving anti-gun Hipster vegan! (Talk about off-stereotype!)
Yeah, she can not die. She always comes back. In German this phenomena is called "Wiedergänger" 🤣
They didn't think the Emperor retcon through. They pandered to butthurt fans and undermined Vader's betrayal-to-redemption arc.
Kingsmen 1 was so good and sadly the 2nd one didn’t live up to its predecessor. Luckily KingsMAN did better than that
Like Barbossa can’t come back like at the end of Dead Mans Chest.
Barbossa probably should have stayed dead. But nobody is really complaining about having him around more, are they?
Concerning Palpatine, SW fans are used to the idea of Palpatine returning. It happened in the EU. It's just the way it was written, especially the infamous line, that's the problem here with his return.
Is there a list of movies that people disvow ie "Highlander: the Source does not exist"or "the 2000 Dungeon and Dragons movie doesn't exist" etc.
I like Highlander: The Source, Highander 2 on the other hand.
Alien Prometheus and Covenant do NOT exist.
I know I’m in the minority here, but I really liked that fifth Pirates film. Barbosa was my favorite character, so the focus on him was welcome. Plus it was a fun movie.
For Captain Spalding, since he was killed at the beginning of the third movie offscreen via state execution, they should have just said that he didn't survive.
We can all agree the Star Wars prequels could have had some rewrites before it released, but they flopped with Palps... I think he follows up with something about sith alchemy, but an average joe barely knows what a sith is. Even if we'd seen him already, they could have written the scene in a way where they doubt his return, and the movie could have pieced it together, could have just made it some imposter, whatever... that certainly wasn't the only issue with the film...
It's weird that you somehow have footage of both The Quickening and The Rise of Skywalker when it is a well known fact that neither movie actually exists and are just mass hallucinations.
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3:41 lol. People did not hate that fast & furious retconned Letty & Han's deaths. Especially not Han. XD
Disney went and made an entire series just to try to explain how palpatine return. It's called the mandalorian
It bothers me even more when the dead are brought back in the SAME movie! Just one (three) example is when Kylo Ren died FOUR times in the Rise of Skywalker. He died in a Tie fighter crash, he died taking a light saber to the chest, he died falling down a bottomless pit, and once more died by force saving Rey. There are countless examples of a scene ending with the hero presumably dead (get out your hankey) only to have them at top form in the next scene!
So, the only one that worked was Spock?
It wasn't a retcon, since they were dropping breadcrumbs throughout Wrath of Khan, but for the third Star Trek movie to be about bringing Spock back from the dead ruined one of the only significant moments that franchise ever achieved.
Barbossa's return is simple and can be explained by two different ways: 1. he got an aztec coin just before dying, thus becoming undead a second time. Or 2. Calypso ressurected him because she is a goddess. Jack Sparrow's return from death is a 1000 times worse.
Considering that Barbarossa was, at the end of the fifth Pirates movie, canonically pushing 80 years old, uh, I’m not complaining that he died again. For a pirate lord like Hector Barbarossa, dying in bed from tuberculosis or something might be worse than just dying at sea.
Also no one was mad that Barbossa was back. It was a great end
I don't care about how Palpatine survived. That's the least of the sequels problems. I care about how he kept huge swathes of soldiers underground in huge corelian ships and they all stayed quiet till someone showed up. What the hell was that? What were these people eating? Where did they come from? Are they clones? Are they born there? Are there hospitals in that planet? How many times did they test those ships coming from the underground? Did they know it was going to work? What did they do all day? Nothing makes any sense in that film.
You know whose death never means dead? Someone who always returns?
William Afton
I thought after the end credits of Pirates showed Jack the monkey put one of the cursed coins in Barbossas hand?
Giving Barbossa's corpse a cursed coin would not have revived him. Elizabeth owned a cursed coin for ten years and wasn't cursed. The curse would only affect those who stole the coins directly from the chest. And no, the end credit scene didn't show the monkey giving Barbossa a coin. It showed the monkey taking a coin and becoming cursed again.
@@SeanWheeler100 Barbosa DID steal coins directly from the chest.....
@@captainspaulding5963 Ten years before the movie, not the post-credit scene when he was dead.
11:10 Never forget that the "somehow" in "somehow Palpatine returned" was AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN FORTNITE.
If I remember the source material correctly, bringing the Kingsman guy back was cannon. He was shot through the peephole of a door in the first story then repaired with Nano-tech.
Bit they took so much liberty with the the story anyway and changed it so much that it sucked, that no one care if they got it wrong. And then they tried to get it right but just made it silly.
Bringing Han back for 5 and setting it before 3 was genius. The holograms handwave was the opposite. More Han is never bad though
On the bright side, I think Palpatine’s second death was more gruesome than his first. Anyone else?
3:00 Harry Hart's damaged brain was repaired with nanomachines back at the _Statesman_ lab, not Kingsman.
From what I've heard, audiences watching #7 in the cinema stood up and applauded the final moments. So that retcon stings even more. Because the apparent death was met with great reception.
I really, really don't like Numbers 2 and 1 on this list. Palpatine should not have come back, and Uncle Ben's killer should not have changed.
Barbossa was a fan favourite. He dies in COTBP as a selfish, uncaring villain. He then spends the next few movies on somewhat of a redemption arc. Still out for himself but also risking his life for allies until he eventually sacrifices himself to save his long lost daughter. An unloving character resurrected does for love.
I remember when your writers used to understand movies and things such as character arcs. This channel has really went downhill
The return of Dracula in Dracula 3000. Bringing Ripley back, kinda, in Alien Resurrection. Julia Cotton in Hellraiser 2. The Futtermans in Gremlins 2
One of the most annoying things about the extended Star Wars universe is the fact they're using a lot of it to justify the return of Palpatine. Nothing's gonna stop it being bad, just move on
Palpatine was brought back as a clone.
Barbossa coming back was awesome....
You got your top two mixed up, your number one is an easily glossed-over minor retcon in a trilogy that lasted five years, people barely remember that retcon. Your number two overhauled the entire story of a nine-movie forty-two year franchise (being generous including the sequels), completely missing it's own point about hope and redemption and further destroying what was once the most popular film franchise in the world.
Kingsman 2: I wish they had just said he was saved because...some people actually survive being shot in the head! Being shot in the eye could help; the ocular bone could help direct the bullet into a less severe injury. "They called an ambulance," is a way simpler explanation than some nano mask thing.
First of all, I love me some Hollywood amnesia so don't go dissing it as a plot point. All of these are fantasy or scifi movies (yes, clearly the Kingmen series, and TFATF series are fantasy series) . I'm fine with some retconned deaths. I was fine with Letty coming back. I thought the way they originally retconned the entire series to make it before Han's death and the weight hanging over the character for the audience because of that was really cool, but I also understand that IRL losing a member of the family made losing one in the movies for real much harder for fans. I was happy they brought Harry back, but not the way they did it and not at the expense of killing off everybody else. They could just as easily have had him survive that head wound because his spy glasses deflected the bullet just enough and the American branch had an amazing surgeon.
Barbossa's resurrection was hated?
Everyone was pumped when they brought Han back, we basically insisted that they do it. I don't think anyone cares when stuff in F&F doesn't make sense.
The Letty death made even less sense because they just kill the mother of his son during all of this dumb shit lmao Elena deserved better
Elena's death was poorly done anyway. They just brought her back and gave Dom a son specifically to kill her off. They essentially put the major 'Is Dom evil now' plot point on the one person that wasn't a part of the group but had ties to Dom.
Letty's death was an easy retcon. Han's though... that was pure retconium. They could even bring back Giselle because she just kinda fell backwards into darkness and was never seen again. But Han? Even the explanation for how he survived doesn't make sense.
Harry coming back didn't really bother me. First of all, people survive being shot in the head. It's obviously not very common, but it _does_ happen. Furthermore, there are a handful of cases where the person suffered little to no long-term brain damage and essentially made a fully recovery. So, the nano machine explanation wasn't even entirely necessary. As for realism...I mean...bulletproof umbrellas guys...
As crappy as Palpatine's return was, at least the SW shows are expanding on stuff like that with Mandalorian giving a lot of context and Ahsoka potentially adding even more.
There's no "because magic" about Barbossa's resurrection.
The voodoo witch is really the sea goddess Calypso trapped in human form, so resurrecting a single puny human doesn't seem that out of bounds really.
Michelle Rodriguez finding out that her character was alive only because she watched the movie was funny as hell 😂
Calistro was a sealed/restrained godess, someone on that level bringing a dead person back to life sounds far more reasonable to me then a voodoo priestess...
Calypso
For what it's worth, #10 included some great acting from Garfield.
I think you're going too deep with Spiderman 3 because it was still Pete's fault Uncle Ben died, Marko was ready to stand down but the guy caused him to shoot him, so it's still his fault in the end
I've watched all the fast and furious, but never noticed Han, actually.... just cars go brrrroom brrroom
We do not talk about Highlander II.
the only thing worse then bad continuity is people who use the word "retcon" unironically.
Barbossa was resurrected by Calisto in exchange for his agreement to free her
I love Highlander 2! I saw it multiple times in the cinema. I know, I know, I'm the only one.
Here's one that happened within the same movie: Professor X in X-Men: The Last Stand. Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix kills him but in the end it turns out he's alive in a different body... so sequel-bait in a movie that's supposed to be the finale. And it managed to belittle the death of Cyclops even more,. "Don't worry, folks! Professor X is just fine! Cyclops is still dead but who gives a sh*t, am I right? Not like any of the other characters did."
Star Wars the rise of skywalker is a awful fan service that nobody wants,put big middle finger strain on the stars wars franchise/lore, love to forget about all together too.
It wasn't even fanservice. It was what happens when a studio is so dead set on the trilogy format that the the film had to be two different films smashed together and put on fast forward. Add in the problems they had with directors and the script, TFA killing off Han, TLJ killing off Luke (both in terms of characterization and actual life), Carrie Fisher dying (RIP) , and the replacement director's inability to do anything but nostalgia baiting and you wind up with RoS.
@@shinzero0271Han's death was Harrison Ford's fault, as he insisted Han be killed off of he was going to do the movie.
Luke becomes a Force Ghost in the third one, and appears more after being dead in TROS, than he did, alive, in TFA.
Princess Leia's death was a result of Carrie Fisher's death, brought on by playing Russian Roulette for years with her life by filling it with drugs and alcohol.
So two of the deaths were out of Disney's hands, and they had no choice, and the other was a character who could be a ghost after death anyway.
Also, the fans wanted someone other than Lucas to make "Star Wars" films, and cheered when Lucas sold to Disney, since after the PREQUELS, George Lucas was apparently a "hack who was never any good, and the original films were thanks to advice from others, like Kathleen Kennedy, who you now all bag.
You all wanted Luke, Leia and Han, not Rey, Finn and Poe. You wanted the original characters. You all jizzed your pants when Han Solo said "Chewie, we're home" in the trailer.
You got what you asked for, what you wanted, and still weren't happy.
It is the fault of the impossible to please crybaby Star Wars fans who are at fault. It's Your faults. With fans like SW, who needs critics. About time you all grew up and got a life.
Are these really retcons? I consider retcons to be stuff where the director or writer contradicts stuff that happened in prior content. This is just extra reveals, no ("Surprise, he IS alive"). It's not like they said, "no he didn't fall down the reactor". We didn't actually see Palpatine dead (like his body shown to us).
Rip Cpt Spalding
You missed Prison Break bringing Sarah Wayne from death after they reached a financial agreement
They brought Harry back but killed Merlin; they literally had a good tier hacking tool, just hack the mines. (This could be done as Poppy deactivated the mines earlier in the film)
Also, pointlessly killed off Lancelot at the start.
I only watched the movie once but...I thought they said Palpatine's return was due to being cloned.
Out of all of these Kingsmen should have been at #1, it was the most pointless retcon of them all. All the others at least tried to serve a purpose of some sort.
Nit pick, i will. 7 films into a horror film franchise, and I'm pretty sure no one believed that MM was dead, not for an instance. Maybe more surprised that it took 4 years to bring him back?!
I want to know how they are going to retcon Giselle this time 😂
I actually liked the Uncle Ben death backstory in SM3. It made sense and didn’t undo his death.
Ben Parker's death at the hands of Sandman instead of the carjacker is straight out of the comics and was one of the only details of Spider-Man 3 that was right.
Barbosa was resurrected by a goddess, not just some voodoo woman, you made yourself sound ignorant about one of the biggest movie franchises of the early 21st century.
Galahad/Harry's survival was courtesy of the Statesmen, not the Kingsmen, and Alpha Gel couldn't be used on just anyone because it was explicitly stated to be there to prevent death by being shot in the head. Was it contrived for the sole purpose of bringing the character back? Yes. Does it cheapen all of the other deaths? Not even remotely.
If Darth Maul can return after being stabed, and split in half, I don't see how a Sith Lord can't. nobody protested the first one.
Not to mention all the EU fanboys didn't seem to care decades ago when Palpatine came back in the _Dark Empire_ comics.
I kinda like the Barbossa return in Pirates of the Caribbean and Spiderman 3
All the resurrections of Micheal, Freddy, and Jason, are just fucking stupid and annoying. Same for Pinhead.