This video addresses how teachers can be fired and how that process works. There may be some surprises here for teachers as well as parents. #teachersquit, #teachersquitting,
As a retired principal of all levels for 13 years I always found it interesting when teachers would make judgments on who the best teachers in the school were even though they never spent a minute in their classroom. In many cases the teachers they thought were best were the least effective. The ones who talk the talk can’t always walk the walk. Removing ineffective teachers with tenure was extremely difficult unless they did a criminal act.
I'm not a teacher, nor ever plan to be one, but I truly enjoy your/the videos because of the personal insight you bring for such a respectable, but very underappreciated profession.
I’m just glad I’m not a teacher anymore. While I know there are hard decisions to make while in leadership positions, I feel like administrators sometimes talk about teachers like they are objects. Teachers are so bombarded from every angle, to then also have the administration secretly plot against them, it is just not right. Why not be upfront? In Texas, I worked so hard with my students (4th grade math) at the end of the year, the school received TWO TEA stars. This was a big deal, we were on the news (local). My pay? The following year I was put on a developmental program!!! The administrators and the Instructional Coach, had one of their secret meetings and decided to make war on me, because as the instructional coach stated: "You’re a man, and men don’t listen to women". As confused as I was, I just decided to move on to a different school. In a different State. I consider myself in the 80% group. I’m not a natural born teacher (like my wife is) but I am a strategist, and extremely hard worker. I deserved better. I’m just so happy to not have anything to do with education anymore…
@@haddiewillsburg1453 Amén to that. In all my teaching experience, I only met ONE good instructional coach, in the last school I taught. Ironically, I did not finish the year. I got an offer in a non-teaching job, and I jumped head first. So glad I did.
@@daman0015 no my friend. You’re totally speaking without knowing the half of it. One of the many problems in the education industry is that teachers are being put in a little box where individuality and diversity are seen as a threat rather than a strength. Too many of the administrators (with all the respect) walk into the classroom for 5 minutes in an entire semester to pass judgment and think they have the full picture. Almost every teacher I know feels the same as I. They don’t dare to speak up out of fear of being let go. And if you are a teacher, you know how the little mafia circles in schools work. My students literally broke the record in their standardized test, that doesn’t happen by accident. My bad if I misunderstood your comment. For a second there it sounds a little condescending.
I'll give my story where I was pretty much black balled from teaching - stay tuned till the end see the final verdict. It was towards the end of year doing the yearly big time state test. Different teachers have different assignments - some give out the test, others escort kids to restrooms, and I had the job of sitting outside the bathrooms to make sure students didn't talk having one kid go in at a time. At one point there were like 5 boys and 5 girls lined up and this one teacher came to me and yelled at me saying, "You can't have all these kids wasting so much time being taken away from the test, you need to let them in and stand outside the bathrooms." This was the first time I had done this role and I was in my 4th year of teaching and she was a 20 yr veteran so I was like, okay that's weird but I guess it makes sense. Now keep in mind these were bathrooms that had the privacy wall, in other words in front of the doors were a brick wall that extended a few feet in front. Fast forward a few days where we were on the 3rd day of testing. I'm doing the same thing and there was like 6 girls lined up so I said, "Okay you all go in, I'll stand in front looking away and no talking." So they go in I'm standing outside leaning on my arm against the brick wall looking away from the bathroom and all of a sudden that SAME teach that told me to do this comes up to me and says, "What are you doing?! Do you have any idea how bad it looks to have a male teacher outside the girls bathroom? What is wrong with you??" I was perplexed because I was doing what she said then my face turned red because I realized she had a good point. So I walked away back to my desk. This teacher then went to the administrator and said I was acting creepy, they looked at the video and were able to determine each student and had them all fill out a witness form giving their story and 4 of the girls said I was just standing looking away and 2 of the girls said I was looking in the bathroom. Why they said that, to this day I have no idea - the only thing I can think of is when I walked to the bathroom and rotated, I turned to my left side to turn around, so my body faced the bathroom for a second as I rotated... Anyway, they did this big investigation on me and looked at the video and the problem is because of the wall and the angle of the camera, they could only see half my body. When the school year ended, the investigation had still not concluded. I was told I would not be back next year at the school and I had applied to different schools and nobody would hire me. I was essentially banned from teaching which caused a crazy amount of stress on my wife and I trying to figure out what I was going to do. I get a letter a few months later and they said they were sending the investigation to state board to determine if my teaching license would be banned. Keep in mind this was back in 2018... Last year in August (2021) I get a letter in the mail from the state board where they said - and I quote, "We found that you have done no wrong doing". Truth be told this was actually a blessing in disguise. While I loved teaching and got great results having many students starting the 7th grade math level at a 4th grade level and ending the year at or above beginner 8th grade level; I was constantly thinking about students 24/7, lessons, and basically the job was on my mind all the time. I ended up changing careers to work in Medicare where I've been able to put all my teacher skills to use whether it's helping the elderly understand Medicare, new trainees in the job or being the supervisor in my dept. I make twice the pay and have virtually no stress and best of all, when I leave work for the day I don't think about it at all until I show up the next day which is a luxury you don't realize you have until you don't like when you teach.
Long, but worth to read story. I am glad it worked out for you and you are right about the stress and being 24/7 on the job. Would be interesting to read response from Nichols.
Sorry that happened to you, but I always think things happen for a reason. You were saved from the stress and craziness of teaching. I wish you continued blessings and don't look back in anger. You really are a success story!
It's unfortunate that in this day in age that students' words are taken at face value over the teacher. I understand things should be investigated, but oftentimes students are given too much power and if there is an opportunity to be malicious they will take it.
There are plenty of good teachers who get fired without cause. I've seen really competent teachers get fired because admins who only taught two years before going into admin don't recognize creative teaching
@@fremontpathfinder8463 people on probationary certificates do not have to qualifications to be a regular teacher (I assume that is what you are talking about). Even if they do not have the protections a qualified teacher the decision to let them go will not be made by one admin. No admin fires anyone unless the princpal gives the okay. Even then they will do observations themselves so they know for sure if they want to let them go. Also the admin may let them go in favor of hiring a qualified teacher the next year because it is less paper work fewer hoops to jump through. A disctrict will always choose to have fully qualified teachers over probationary.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE In CA probationary just means they are in their first two years in a district. A previously permanent status teacher could move, go to a new district and the highest they could be is probationary for two years, however that isn't related to the pay scale as they could be put high up on the scale based on their previous years
EXCELLENT! Every state and district NEEDS administrators like you..the benefits would improve the public school system GREATLY! If something doesn't change SOON,I sincerely doubt we will even have a public school much longer. Very sad! And unfortunately, it's the children who'll suffer those consequences the worst.
@@pamhirt3269 We just had a murder in the boys bathroom at my gdaughters high school. Two students,Seniors,fighting over a girl and one stabbed the other. Both families lost their sons. One died, one arrested for murder. Just heartbreaking.
It's rare in any field (teaching, etc) to be able to turn a bad employee, one that is not talented at what they're doing and or not motivated, into a good employee. Some can be very needy and will seek help, but how they respond to the help as you say is something that should be closely observed. I've found in my own field that needy people most often remain needy and it's questionable whether they are or will ever be an asset to the organization. Often the best solution is to get rid of them, replace them asap, but I realize that in this day and age and depending on the field it can be difficult to get rid of them. It was interesting to learn that 3rd grade is a very important grade for students in their development process.
was a teacher for over 25 years and this is not just a problem in the US. It is a problem everywhere --be it private or public schools. I not only taught in the US, I also taught in Latin America. I taught from pre-school to college level. The most challenging were k-12 systems. The kids are just not willing to support it. We have a system that was developed for the beginnings of the industrial age, and it has not changed since I was in high school --1972! It is worst now because teachers get no support from administration nor from the parents, and so children just become difficult to manage. I was glad to leave the system and started my own private programs and it was great! I would not get caught in the traditional classroom ever again. The way I see it, let the parents deal with their children. Many parents realized the frustration of having THEIR own kids around all day long during the covid shut down and many people would say, those poor parents, but for me, I was thinking, let them get a taste of what it's like to be a teacher. Since parents "know" everything about education, pedagogy and teaching, let them deal with their kids. I had a student throw a desk at me. That is when I left the traditional teaching field for good and have never regretted it. Also, when they (administration) tell you that they are using innovative methodologies, don't believe them because if they are not spending the money to improve the system by making classroom groups smaller and paying teachers more along with taking teachers seriously and respecting the profession, it's a big lie. I honestly believe that all of this craziness in our educational system will not change. The way that kids are learning today is no match for the transitional systems of teaching, and the teaching educational programs at our universities are not dealing with the problems in the system. This is why new young teachers that enter the profession have no idea how bad it is, and the public does not want to believe how bad it is either. It's a huge problem. I don't even think that paying teachers more will fix the problem. If I had children today, I would not send them to traditional schooling systems. Not at all!
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Absolutely fascinating, loved your viewpoint, and giggled to myself. I'm in Europe and have to say indeed, the issues are global, pedagogical gobbledygook is rampant worldwide, the pandemic showed us how the tik tok generation is inept at online and internet learning - I was head of my country's online education program for postgraduates in English, political science and continuing adult education from 2007 to 2015, so early on in my career, while also teaching some classroom courses - yet the same people and their parents believe they are the 1st to own a cellphone or a laptop, deserve every minute of your undivided attention but can never say thank you, can't tolerate having their embarassing, headache-enducing spelling corrected, expect teachers to provide free overtime 24/7, and an extra support service to listen to the complaints just in case.
Teaching also depends on the schools. Some schools you can’t really teach. Schools are out of control with behavior issues. Some schools children are eager to learn . Some teachers do perform better in certain schools.
I was in the classroom for 22 years. I will say I was in the "80%" category. I was very lucky to be able to retire early with a full pension. I don't think I could have made it psychologically and physically to 30 years. In every building everyone knows who the few gifted teachers are and who the cadre of bad teachers are. This was a form of implicit job security. It was easy to say to oneself, well, if so and so still works here then I've got no problems. Of course, in Florida where I taught, they completely did away tenure of any kind in 2011. So, by now, the cadre of tenured teachers who were grandfathered in must be very small with everyone else being at will. I will venture a guess, though, that firing rates have not radically increased because the pool of available applicants is small and low quality.
There are many times where the problem is an incompetent administrator. Many times admins are in positions because they simply knew how to “play the game”. It works both ways.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE They can “non renew” teachers with no reason at all here in Maine. Also, the first two years served in any district are probation, very easy to push experienced (expensive) teachers out in hopes of finding someone cheaper. I will be replaced by an international teacher at half my salary.
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It seems like teaching is being equated with some sort of lowbrow socialization skill. How to manage people and avoid upsetting the administrators.
I had a teacher for 10th grade algebra who was atrocious. Learning simply wasn't occurring. Homework assignments were always out of a book or pre-published work packet and weren't useful from a learning perspective. Tests weren't really possible to study for because the test material didn't really reflect what we did in class or what was given to us on study guides. My suspicion was that she was administering tests that were written by another teacher who taught the material in a different way. My parents paid for private math tutoring for the entire year, and my tutor couldn't understand why there were so many issues. She said that I understood things perfectly when we worked together. The tests always came out of left field. When I told my math teacher that I was working with a tutor, she seemed very unhappy and acted in a resentful way towards me. My parents had multiple meetings with admins that the teacher didn't show up to. My dad was not very happy with the vice principal because he said that the experience in the class was demolishing my confidence and causing me to become depressed. Several of the people he worked with told him that their kiids had horrible experiences in her class. Rather than trying to argue, the vice principal agreed and acknowledged that they had received lots of complaints over the years. He said that him and his wife weren't going to send their kids to a private school rather than sending them to my high school. Unfortunately, they said that there wasn't anything they could do to get her out of the school since she was retiring in only a few years. My parents tried to get me moved to another class, but it never happened. I can't really downplay how terrible of a teacher she was. The educator training system failed her by allowing her to go into a profeession that she was unsuited for. She looked like she was about 55 years old, so I can't imagine how many kids she taught over the years who left the classroom being underserved. How many kids dropped out of high school because of her? How many kids never progressed any further in math because they were perpetually a year behind in the subject? It makes me very sad to think about.
It's very close to what happens in Texas.....And as a department chair in an academic subject, there was nothing worse than being asked by administration if " We need to keep XYZ?"
With regard to bad teachers, firing bad teachers and unions, first, generally, union states have better pay and working conditions which directly correlate to higher quality teachers. Second, a union contract never protects bad teachers. It only serves to provide basic fairness and due process in discipline. Third, the direct factors that lead to low quality teachers are politicians who underfund schools, teacher colleges and training programs that have low or no standards, administrators who hire low quality people (they often have no other choice), administrators who do not take action to deal with poor teachers because there are too many or there are no better options to hire. In short, our systems are designed to insure we have low quality teachers in classrooms. Every honest person in public education will admit this. Every superintendent knows this. None will admit it.
@@DonutIgnoramus Who gave that individual a degree? The union? Who hired that individual? The union? Whose responsibility is it to provide professional pay and working conditions? The union? Whose responsibility is it to provide professional development and support? The union? Your tired, superficial, propaganda driven analysis is not needed here.
Great video Chris. I agree; natural born teachers are easy to spot, but hard to come by. Heading into my 1st year teaching this upcoming school year God willing, I am interested in hearing any advice to make it a good 1st year.
I remember in middle and high school I would have teachers who only got up from their desk and attempted to teach when the principal came in to observe. Other than that, it was all worksheets. This is not just bad teaching, it is stealing kids education. Thankfully, I was lucky enough to experience some very good, impactful professors in college, although not everyone has that opportunity.
I think teaching grade school/high school must be inordinately tough. But I’d like to play devil’s advocate for a moment. We all think it’s a shame caring teachers are not respected by many students, but is there a sense-and I mean, JUST A SENSE-in which such students might have a point. When I went to school in the sixties and seventies, teachers were the gatekeepers of information. We needed them for everything.That’s no longer the case. Although a good math or science teacher will always be worth their weight in gold, information about everything is now available at all times to everyone with an internet account. Could part of the disrespect be attributable to the students’ belief, rightly or wrongly, that they have access to classroom information at the click of a mouse?
I will add that teachers are now being told to no longer be "the sage on the stage" but to be "the guide on the side". In other words to make students more responsible for thier learning. We are even discouraged from arranging desks in a way where the teacher is the focus. Instead student groupings or pods are required in may schools.
In my county in north Carolina, the athletic director embezzled money from school funds to pay for an abortion for an ex student, who was initially believed to have been murdered. But she had just run away. Anyways, he is still AD. Rhymes with Itchell county
Sounds like you need to revise your hiring practices and raise pay. Are those "bad" teachers provided support? Is this more of a popularity contest- because I've seen that as well.
My first school I teached 2,5 years and unfortunately got on a PIP without much improvement according to the administrator. I changed school afterwards and six months later I only got positive reviews and the admin wants to extend the contract. How come?
I currently consider myself to be one of the teachers that can’t do anything at all, and I’m a new teacher. I’ve gone to countless trainings, tried different classroom management strategies, requested a mentor. All of those things fell through. My classes are travesties, and most of my students don’t respect me. Yes, there are many other things I could have done. But I have asked for help and it’s been both piss poor and nonexistent. I’m looking to resign as soon and as gracefully as possible. I cannot be a part of this anymore, for the sake of both the students and for my own sanity. I hope I get fired as well.
Im getting ready to leave early here in Korea. I had a lot of issues dealing with stress, which made my performance slip.I'm also too nice which led to the director coming in and saying it's my fault the class is this way in front of everyone. Do you think it's wise to try to get into teaching back home or maybe just go back sub work until i figure out what else to do?
Follow what is in your heart. Listen to what your heart is telling you and pray for guidance and wisdom. Hoping and wishing you peace and calmness in whatever you decide.
Keenly, a K-12 teacher can be fired for inappropriately touching a student (aka sexual abuse). Most cases. College teachers themselves, however, can be fired for professional plagiarism or sexual harassment. An at-will college teacher will be fired immediately---for those tenured, they will get a lesser sanction that may or may not be fireable.
I would suggest that your 80-20 differentiation is substantially different in 2022, depending on location - regional or local politics and culture. That mix is probably much closer to 50-50 when comprised of teacher graduates since 2012, perhaps a bit earlier than that.. This doesn't mean that more of the ~50% of incapable teachers couldn't do the job, but the "woke" ideologies of 2022 that this ideological ~50% weave into instruction (and classroom culture) render them incapable. They cannot differentiate between what they should be legally allowed to do and the unwritten curricula (sometimes written, as well) that they deliver. Math is racist is a good example.
Chris, we had a male young teacher that would take lunches from Hispanic kids and eat their lunch. He never would buy lunch. I told our principle and he said he was an administrator son. I said he should know better then. Nothing was done so I called him to my office and told him he could not take the student lunch. He said they gave them to him. Come to find out he was their soccer couch. After that didn't work, I got in touch with my director, and she talked with his dad the administrator. That didn't work out to hot either. So, my director talked with the superintendent. That's when both the teacher and his dad the administrator disappeared. It was exhausting. I would have to go out to the teachers table every day and stand to make sure the students kept their lunch. It was 5 boys. I was so relieved when he was no longer with us, and I didn'tsupposedly
As an Admin, let me ask you this. Why do so many Admins seem to think, lately, that they can "make rules" that bind kids and their actions outside of school? Like "liking a picture of a toy gun" or "posting a picture of a toy gun" on FB. Outside of school time. Those were real situations.
Your video makes it sound like only bad teachers get targeted for lots of observations and criticism etc. There are politics and favoritism in public schools. It doesn’t matter how good a teacher is if the teacher is on a probationary contract and the principal doesn’t like her for whatever reason the principal *will* not renew her contract. I taught in Texas and I know of teachers who were on a probationary contract (3 years) who were not bad teachers but someone in admin usually the principal did not like these teachers for one reason or another so the teacher was observed repeatedly and nitpicked and conferenced and maybe put on a growth plan until things built up to the point that the principal just didn’t renew that teacher’s contract because the principal didn’t like her or because the principal had a buddy that the principal wanted to teach that class next year.
Then they were willing to do a ton of work and get others involved helping to carry that out. Unless there are districts out there that allow principals to just do whatever with no oversight.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE This happened in 2 different districts. One of the districts had a reputation for targeting teachers. It was usually just 1 teacher each year. Texas is a right to work state so even though there are teachers unions, their power is limited. There was an unspoken rule that teachers in this district should not join a union. The teacher in question belonged to a union and told other teachers that they should also join a union. The long time teachers reacted by saying that they weren’t going to join a union because they wanted to keep their jobs and they knew from experience that teachers who joined the union had a target on their backs. This was a small district. And I do believe that principals didn’t have much oversight. If the principal wanted to non-renew a teacher who was on a probationary contract she probably had a little paperwork to do but then the superintendent just rubber stamped it. Some say it was the principal who chose the target. Some say it was the superintendent. Once they decided who they wanted to target either the principal or the literacy coach would come in to do short observations and take notes at least a few times a week. Nothing positive was ever documented. Only negative and as much as they could find or plausibly make up. They targeted teachers who were still on probationary contracts which made it easier on them because they didn’t have to give a reason and they didn’t have to prove anything and the teacher couldn’t appeal. The teacher I know that they targeted had a proficient annual evaluation. She taught 1st grade so there was no high stakes test but there was a state reading test that teachers gave verbally to one student at a time at the beginning, middle, and end of the year. This teacher’s students did well on the test. So there was no reason to non-renew her but they didn’t need a reason so they just non-renewed her. That was an ongoing practice in this district. That and if any teacher’s students had good scores on the 3 times a year state reading test, they accused her of cheating. So they’d either make her give the test again to each student while the literacy coach watched or they’d have someone pull each student and retest them. In both cases the teacher was not cheating. Her students really did do that well. In the other district the principal liked to hire her buddies. One of her buddies was just about finished with taking her tests to get her teaching certificate. This buddy of the principal specifically wanted to teach a particular grade the following school year. The principal and assistant principal knew this and in order to ensure a vacancy in the grade level the buddy wanted they chose a teacher in that grade level who was on a probationary contract and gave her an undeserved bad evaluation and put her on a growth plan and then non-renewed her to create a vacancy for the principal’s buddy. I say the bad evaluation was undeserved because this was a teacher who had teaching experience and had always gotten good evaluations. This was her first year in this district which is why she was on a probationary contract It happens and there’s nothing the teacher can do about it.
@@cmm2145 yes they will non-renew without telling them why if they do not have tenure in some states. They say if you tell them why then you have to give them a chance to correct their issues. The buddy thing is believable for sure, especially in small districts an usually goes along with coaching positions.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE I guess it makes sense that if they tell the teacher why they have to give the teacher a chance to correct the issues. However, this teacher received a Proficient on her annual evaluation. I realize that proficient doesn’t mean perfect and so there can still be some things the teacher needs to work on but if she was competent enough to be Proficient on her evaluation and still gets non-renewed but with a glowing letter of recommendation that’s fishy. If her job performance was so lacking that they non-renewed her, how could she have been rated as a proficient teacher? The principal was the one who did the evaluation and the non-renewing. They of course had a reason but they didn’t have to tell the teacher so they didn’t. The reason was either because she belonged to the union or that the principal and/or superintendent didn’t like her or both. Unless…. it wasn’t the principal’s decision to do the non-renewal. The superintendent could’ve told the principal to do that. His reason very well could’ve been because that teacher was in one of the unions. After all the teachers who had been there for a while wouldn’t join the union because they said that would put their jobs in jeopardy. Another teacher who was on a regular contract with the protection that provides was vocal about being in the union and she was the union representative. She was an experienced teacher so she only had to be on a probationary contract for one year. She didn’t start her union stuff until her second year when she was on a regular contract. They started micro-managing her. The principal and literacy coach were observing her a lot and only noting bad things. She had a Proficient evaluation and had between 20-25 years of teaching experience. But as soon as she started talking about the union they started accusing her of not properly implementing the teaching strategies that they were requiring all teachers to do. Also there was a group of 5 or so teachers who met with the union at a local restaurant. Somebody ratted them out because a day or two after that meeting they were all put on growth plans. Every teacher who was at that meeting with the union got a growth plan. None of the teachers who weren’t at that meeting were put on growth plans. With the other school it was definitely the “good ole girl” system. You know, it’s not *what* you know but *who* you know that gets you the job. This buddy of the principal had been in the principal’s 1st grade class decades ago when the principal was a teacher. And the buddy’s mama was the school custodian around that time also. The principal had already decided she was going to hire her buddy but the buddy didn’t get her Bachelors until December so they had to wait until the next school year to hire her but they had a vacancy so they hired this other teacher with the intention of ripping her to shreds every way they could so that they could non-renew the “1 year only” teacher and hire the buddy. And that’s what they did. And they hired the buddy but found out 2 days before the kids reported back to school that there was one required test that the buddy failed. So they had to let the buddy go and hire a teacher to fill the vacancy at the last minute. I don’t know if the buddy ever ended up with the job she originally wanted for the next school year or not.
Don't waste your time in this soul destroying so-called career. Biggest regret of my life is being a teacher. Im only doing substituting now. Looking to get into tech. If you are going to college to be a teacher choose another major asap.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE I'm getting into tech and have no plans to retire anytime soon. Mid 50's. I actively tell people that are younger not to go into teaching. I call it saving souls even though I'm not religious.
So teachers with different personalities can’t be successful? Can you elaborate on that? Like they are lazy or they don’t care about kids, etc? Just curious. I feel like sometimes it’s just the opinion of the principals.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE We’ll see. I recorded my piece of crap admin for forty minutes bashing the superintendent, HR, and every other admin in the district. She talked about working underground with parents to force the super to resign, said the only reason the super had the job was “bc of the race card”, etc. Hopefully she is back out on the street soon.
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As a retired principal of all levels for 13 years I always found it interesting when teachers would make judgments on who the best teachers in the school were even though they never spent a minute in their classroom. In many cases the teachers they thought were best were the least effective. The ones who talk the talk can’t always walk the walk. Removing ineffective teachers with tenure was extremely difficult unless they did a criminal act.
Yes they seem to not take into account the amount of time admin spend observing the teachers
I'm not a teacher, nor ever plan to be one, but I truly enjoy your/the videos because of the personal insight you bring for such a respectable, but very underappreciated profession.
I’m just glad I’m not a teacher anymore.
While I know there are hard decisions to make while in leadership positions, I feel like administrators sometimes talk about teachers like they are objects.
Teachers are so bombarded from every angle, to then also have the administration secretly plot against them, it is just not right. Why not be upfront?
In Texas, I worked so hard with my students (4th grade math) at the end of the year, the school received TWO TEA stars. This was a big deal, we were on the news (local).
My pay? The following year I was put on a developmental program!!! The administrators and the Instructional Coach, had one of their secret meetings and decided to make war on me, because as the instructional coach stated: "You’re a man, and men don’t listen to women". As confused as I was, I just decided to move on to a different school. In a different State.
I consider myself in the 80% group. I’m not a natural born teacher (like my wife is) but I am a strategist, and extremely hard worker. I deserved better.
I’m just so happy to not have anything to do with education anymore…
Instructional coaches are a total waste of money some times! They mostly have no idea of how to coach new teachers.
@@haddiewillsburg1453 Amén to that. In all my teaching experience, I only met ONE good instructional coach, in the last school I taught. Ironically, I did not finish the year. I got an offer in a non-teaching job, and I jumped head first. So glad I did.
If you’re not a gifted teacher maybe it was just not meant for you to be in the classroom from the start
@@daman0015 no my friend. You’re totally speaking without knowing the half of it.
One of the many problems in the education industry is that teachers are being put in a little box where individuality and diversity are seen as a threat rather than a strength. Too many of the administrators (with all the respect) walk into the classroom for 5 minutes in an entire semester to pass judgment and think they have the full picture.
Almost every teacher I know feels the same as I. They don’t dare to speak up out of fear of being let go. And if you are a teacher, you know how the little mafia circles in schools work.
My students literally broke the record in their standardized test, that doesn’t happen by accident.
My bad if I misunderstood your comment. For a second there it sounds a little condescending.
You moved to a different state..."not in education anymore" are you still teaching?
I'll give my story where I was pretty much black balled from teaching - stay tuned till the end see the final verdict.
It was towards the end of year doing the yearly big time state test. Different teachers have different assignments - some give out the test, others escort kids to restrooms, and I had the job of sitting outside the bathrooms to make sure students didn't talk having one kid go in at a time. At one point there were like 5 boys and 5 girls lined up and this one teacher came to me and yelled at me saying, "You can't have all these kids wasting so much time being taken away from the test, you need to let them in and stand outside the bathrooms." This was the first time I had done this role and I was in my 4th year of teaching and she was a 20 yr veteran so I was like, okay that's weird but I guess it makes sense. Now keep in mind these were bathrooms that had the privacy wall, in other words in front of the doors were a brick wall that extended a few feet in front.
Fast forward a few days where we were on the 3rd day of testing. I'm doing the same thing and there was like 6 girls lined up so I said, "Okay you all go in, I'll stand in front looking away and no talking." So they go in I'm standing outside leaning on my arm against the brick wall looking away from the bathroom and all of a sudden that SAME teach that told me to do this comes up to me and says, "What are you doing?! Do you have any idea how bad it looks to have a male teacher outside the girls bathroom? What is wrong with you??" I was perplexed because I was doing what she said then my face turned red because I realized she had a good point. So I walked away back to my desk.
This teacher then went to the administrator and said I was acting creepy, they looked at the video and were able to determine each student and had them all fill out a witness form giving their story and 4 of the girls said I was just standing looking away and 2 of the girls said I was looking in the bathroom. Why they said that, to this day I have no idea - the only thing I can think of is when I walked to the bathroom and rotated, I turned to my left side to turn around, so my body faced the bathroom for a second as I rotated... Anyway, they did this big investigation on me and looked at the video and the problem is because of the wall and the angle of the camera, they could only see half my body. When the school year ended, the investigation had still not concluded.
I was told I would not be back next year at the school and I had applied to different schools and nobody would hire me. I was essentially banned from teaching which caused a crazy amount of stress on my wife and I trying to figure out what I was going to do. I get a letter a few months later and they said they were sending the investigation to state board to determine if my teaching license would be banned. Keep in mind this was back in 2018... Last year in August (2021) I get a letter in the mail from the state board where they said - and I quote, "We found that you have done no wrong doing".
Truth be told this was actually a blessing in disguise. While I loved teaching and got great results having many students starting the 7th grade math level at a 4th grade level and ending the year at or above beginner 8th grade level; I was constantly thinking about students 24/7, lessons, and basically the job was on my mind all the time. I ended up changing careers to work in Medicare where I've been able to put all my teacher skills to use whether it's helping the elderly understand Medicare, new trainees in the job or being the supervisor in my dept. I make twice the pay and have virtually no stress and best of all, when I leave work for the day I don't think about it at all until I show up the next day which is a luxury you don't realize you have until you don't like when you teach.
Long, but worth to read story. I am glad it worked out for you and you are right about the stress and being 24/7 on the job. Would be interesting to read response from Nichols.
Sorry that happened to you, but I always think things happen for a reason. You were saved from the stress and craziness of teaching. I wish you continued blessings and don't look back in anger. You really are a success story!
the 20 yr veteran teacher had this planned. also, i'd have told her i didn't work for her therefor i don't take orders from her.
It's unfortunate that in this day in age that students' words are taken at face value over the teacher. I understand things should be investigated, but oftentimes students are given too much power and if there is an opportunity to be malicious they will take it.
@@berrynoir you betcha!
There are plenty of good teachers who get fired without cause. I've seen really competent teachers get fired because admins who only taught two years before going into admin don't recognize creative teaching
They still would have to go through a process like I described unless it was a private school
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE Unless they are probationary with that district
@@fremontpathfinder8463 people on probationary certificates do not have to qualifications to be a regular teacher (I assume that is what you are talking about). Even if they do not have the protections a qualified teacher the decision to let them go will not be made by one admin. No admin fires anyone unless the princpal gives the okay. Even then they will do observations themselves so they know for sure if they want to let them go. Also the admin may let them go in favor of hiring a qualified teacher the next year because it is less paper work fewer hoops to jump through. A disctrict will always choose to have fully qualified teachers over probationary.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE In CA probationary just means they are in their first two years in a district. A previously permanent status teacher could move, go to a new district and the highest they could be is probationary for two years, however that isn't related to the pay scale as they could be put high up on the scale based on their previous years
@@fremontpathfinder8463 that stinks! Sounds like the tenure system.
EXCELLENT! Every state and district NEEDS administrators like you..the benefits would improve the public school system GREATLY! If something doesn't change SOON,I sincerely doubt we will even have a public school much longer. Very sad! And unfortunately, it's the children who'll suffer those consequences the worst.
I agree.... I'm In TN and behavior is terrible. Teachers can't teach because of the kids that are violent, don't listen, etc.
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We just had a murder in the boys bathroom at my gdaughters high school. Two students,Seniors,fighting over a girl and one stabbed the other. Both families lost their sons. One died, one arrested for murder. Just heartbreaking.
It's rare in any field (teaching, etc) to be able to turn a bad employee, one that is not talented at what they're doing and or not motivated, into a good employee. Some can be very needy and will seek help, but how they respond to the help as you say is something that should be closely observed. I've found in my own field that needy people most often remain needy and it's questionable whether they are or will ever be an asset to the organization. Often the best solution is to get rid of them, replace them asap, but I realize that in this day and age and depending on the field it can be difficult to get rid of them.
It was interesting to learn that 3rd grade is a very important grade for students in their development process.
Base future prison beds on third grade reading scores
was a teacher for over 25 years and this is not just a problem in the US. It is a problem everywhere --be it private or public schools. I not only taught in the US, I also taught in Latin America. I taught from pre-school to college level. The most challenging were k-12 systems. The kids are just not willing to support it. We have a system that was developed for the beginnings of the industrial age, and it has not changed since I was in high school --1972! It is worst now because teachers get no support from administration nor from the parents, and so children just become difficult to manage. I was glad to leave the system and started my own private programs and it was great! I would not get caught in the traditional classroom ever again. The way I see it, let the parents deal with their children. Many parents realized the frustration of having THEIR own kids around all day long during the covid shut down and many people would say, those poor parents, but for me, I was thinking, let them get a taste of what it's like to be a teacher. Since parents "know" everything about education, pedagogy and teaching, let them deal with their kids. I had a student throw a desk at me. That is when I left the traditional teaching field for good and have never regretted it. Also, when they (administration) tell you that they are using innovative methodologies, don't believe them because if they are not spending the money to improve the system by making classroom groups smaller and paying teachers more along with taking teachers seriously and respecting the profession, it's a big lie. I honestly believe that all of this craziness in our educational system will not change. The way that kids are learning today is no match for the transitional systems of teaching, and the teaching educational programs at our universities are not dealing with the problems in the system. This is why new young teachers that enter the profession have no idea how bad it is, and the public does not want to believe how bad it is either. It's a huge problem. I don't even think that paying teachers more will fix the problem. If I had children today, I would not send them to traditional schooling systems. Not at all!
Absolutely fascinating, loved your viewpoint, and giggled to myself. I'm in Europe and have to say indeed, the issues are global, pedagogical gobbledygook is rampant worldwide, the pandemic showed us how the tik tok generation is inept at online and internet learning - I was head of my country's online education program for postgraduates in English, political science and continuing adult education from 2007 to 2015, so early on in my career, while also teaching some classroom courses - yet the same people and their parents believe they are the 1st to own a cellphone or a laptop, deserve every minute of your undivided attention but can never say thank you, can't tolerate having their embarassing, headache-enducing spelling corrected, expect teachers to provide free overtime 24/7, and an extra support service to listen to the complaints just in case.
Teaching also depends on the schools. Some schools you can’t really teach. Schools are out of control with behavior issues. Some schools children are eager to learn . Some teachers do perform better in certain schools.
Poor teachers. They don’t get paid enough to deal with all that bullshit.
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@@danielbecker6695thank you.
I was in the classroom for 22 years. I will say I was in the "80%" category. I was very lucky to be able to retire early with a full pension. I don't think I could have made it psychologically and physically to 30 years. In every building everyone knows who the few gifted teachers are and who the cadre of bad teachers are. This was a form of implicit job security. It was easy to say to oneself, well, if so and so still works here then I've got no problems. Of course, in Florida where I taught, they completely did away tenure of any kind in 2011. So, by now, the cadre of tenured teachers who were grandfathered in must be very small with everyone else being at will. I will venture a guess, though, that firing rates have not radically increased because the pool of available applicants is small and low quality.
Great video! (Jane in SC, retired 27 year ms teacher....8th graders are my people!)❤️🙏🏻
Middle school teachers are a different breed!
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There are many times where the problem is an incompetent administrator. Many times admins are in positions because they simply knew how to “play the game”. It works both ways.
If an admin is too incompetent they will never be able to successfully fire anyone because of thework it takes
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE imo, in South Florida, the good principals move up. The bad ones stay where they are
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE They can “non renew” teachers with no reason at all here in Maine. Also, the first two years served in any district are probation, very easy to push experienced (expensive) teachers out in hopes of finding someone cheaper. I will be replaced by an international teacher at half my salary.
It seems like teaching is being equated with some sort of lowbrow socialization skill. How to manage people and avoid upsetting the administrators.
I had a teacher for 10th grade algebra who was atrocious. Learning simply wasn't occurring. Homework assignments were always out of a book or pre-published work packet and weren't useful from a learning perspective. Tests weren't really possible to study for because the test material didn't really reflect what we did in class or what was given to us on study guides. My suspicion was that she was administering tests that were written by another teacher who taught the material in a different way.
My parents paid for private math tutoring for the entire year, and my tutor couldn't understand why there were so many issues. She said that I understood things perfectly when we worked together. The tests always came out of left field. When I told my math teacher that I was working with a tutor, she seemed very unhappy and acted in a resentful way towards me.
My parents had multiple meetings with admins that the teacher didn't show up to. My dad was not very happy with the vice principal because he said that the experience in the class was demolishing my confidence and causing me to become depressed. Several of the people he worked with told him that their kiids had horrible experiences in her class. Rather than trying to argue, the vice principal agreed and acknowledged that they had received lots of complaints over the years. He said that him and his wife weren't going to send their kids to a private school rather than sending them to my high school. Unfortunately, they said that there wasn't anything they could do to get her out of the school since she was retiring in only a few years. My parents tried to get me moved to another class, but it never happened.
I can't really downplay how terrible of a teacher she was. The educator training system failed her by allowing her to go into a profeession that she was unsuited for. She looked like she was about 55 years old, so I can't imagine how many kids she taught over the years who left the classroom being underserved. How many kids dropped out of high school because of her? How many kids never progressed any further in math because they were perpetually a year behind in the subject? It makes me very sad to think about.
Thank you for sharing and caring Chris have a blessed weekend stay safe and healthy. 🙏❤🙏❤🙏
Please do a video on being a successful teacher :)
It's very close to what happens in Texas.....And as a department chair in an academic subject, there was nothing worse than being asked by administration if " We need to keep XYZ?"
How did you respond?
With regard to bad teachers, firing bad teachers and unions, first, generally, union states have better pay and working conditions which directly correlate to higher quality teachers. Second, a union contract never protects bad teachers. It only serves to provide basic fairness and due process in discipline. Third, the direct factors that lead to low quality teachers are politicians who underfund schools, teacher colleges and training programs that have low or no standards, administrators who hire low quality people (they often have no other choice), administrators who do not take action to deal with poor teachers because there are too many or there are no better options to hire.
In short, our systems are designed to insure we have low quality teachers in classrooms. Every honest person in public education will admit this. Every superintendent knows this. None will admit it.
Come to NY. You’ll see plenty of bad teachers protected by the union. Read up on rubber rooms.
@@DonutIgnoramus Who gave that individual a degree? The union? Who hired that individual? The union? Whose responsibility is it to provide professional pay and working conditions? The union? Whose responsibility is it to provide professional development and support? The union?
Your tired, superficial, propaganda driven analysis is not needed here.
@@CharlesB-NGNM I can see you’re out to lunch. Enjoy!
@@DonutIgnoramus An ad hominem...I thought as much...
@@CharlesB-NGNM did you enjoy your lunch?
Great video Chris. I agree; natural born teachers are easy to spot, but hard to come by.
Heading into my 1st year teaching this upcoming school year God willing, I am interested in hearing any advice to make it a good 1st year.
I will do a video for 1st year teachers soon
I remember in middle and high school I would have teachers who only got up from their desk and attempted to teach when the principal came in to observe. Other than that, it was all worksheets. This is not just bad teaching, it is stealing kids education. Thankfully, I was lucky enough to experience some very good, impactful professors in college, although not everyone has that opportunity.
I think teaching grade school/high school must be inordinately tough. But I’d like to play devil’s advocate for a moment. We all think it’s a shame caring teachers are not respected by many students, but is there a sense-and I mean, JUST A SENSE-in which such students might have a point. When I went to school in the sixties and seventies, teachers were the gatekeepers of information. We needed them for everything.That’s no longer the case. Although a good math or science teacher will always be worth their weight in gold, information about everything is now available at all times to everyone with an internet account. Could part of the disrespect be attributable to the students’ belief, rightly or wrongly, that they have access to classroom information at the click of a mouse?
Good point
@Titanium Mage they sent them back as soon as they got the chance
I will add that teachers are now being told to no longer be "the sage on the stage" but to be "the guide on the side". In other words to make students more responsible for thier learning. We are even discouraged from arranging desks in a way where the teacher is the focus. Instead student groupings or pods are required in may schools.
Great information 👍🏻🤓
In my county in north Carolina, the athletic director embezzled money from school funds to pay for an abortion for an ex student, who was initially believed to have been murdered. But she had just run away. Anyways, he is still AD. Rhymes with Itchell county
As a team leader, we get rid of bad teachers in January or June.
Sounds like you need to revise your hiring practices and raise pay. Are those "bad" teachers provided support? Is this more of a popularity contest- because I've seen that as well.
@@fremontpathfinder8463 not a popularity contest. Sometimes those august hiring are the dregs, and that's what you get.
@@fremontpathfinder8463 also, we have open concept classrooms, and everyone in the suite can see and hear what's going on.
@@ladykemma3 Open concept classes are not good in my opinion. Very distracting
@@ladykemma3 Are they given support and time? Talking about teachers as the "dregs" I find disturbing.
I feel my personality is not allowing me to be an effective teacher. I'm just too soft.
You may just be at the wrong grade level
Thats a good point
My first school I teached 2,5 years and unfortunately got on a PIP without much improvement according to the administrator. I changed school afterwards and six months later I only got positive reviews and the admin wants to extend the contract. How come?
I always tell people they should try different schools or districts if they are not successful because schools and admin are so different
what do you think about charter schools that can address things a little quicker?
Total crap shoot. They are like the wild west anything can happen.
I currently consider myself to be one of the teachers that can’t do anything at all, and I’m a new teacher. I’ve gone to countless trainings, tried different classroom management strategies, requested a mentor. All of those things fell through. My classes are travesties, and most of my students don’t respect me. Yes, there are many other things I could have done. But I have asked for help and it’s been both piss poor and nonexistent. I’m looking to resign as soon and as gracefully as possible. I cannot be a part of this anymore, for the sake of both the students and for my own sanity. I hope I get fired as well.
Sorry to hear that
might be your school... try a diff place
There is a guy that was in your last district that has apples for Superintendent for our county in TN
Who is that?
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE Eric Hoffstetter
Somehow I got unscribed. Bummer! Found you again.
I also have to find my Indiana friend Paul.
Glad you came back!
Im getting ready to leave early here in Korea. I had a lot of issues dealing with stress, which made my performance slip.I'm also too nice which led to the director coming in and saying it's my fault the class is this way in front of everyone. Do you think it's wise to try to get into teaching back home or maybe just go back sub work until i figure out what else to do?
I would take a shot back home but do your research about what location you want.
Follow what is in your heart. Listen to what your heart is telling you and pray for guidance and wisdom. Hoping and wishing you peace and calmness in whatever you decide.
Keenly, a K-12 teacher can be fired for inappropriately touching a student (aka sexual abuse). Most cases.
College teachers themselves, however, can be fired for professional plagiarism or sexual harassment. An at-will college teacher will be fired immediately---for those tenured, they will get a lesser sanction that may or may not be fireable.
I would suggest that your 80-20 differentiation is substantially different in 2022, depending on location - regional or local politics and culture. That mix is probably much closer to 50-50 when comprised of teacher graduates since 2012, perhaps a bit earlier than that..
This doesn't mean that more of the ~50% of incapable teachers couldn't do the job, but the "woke" ideologies of 2022 that this ideological ~50% weave into instruction (and classroom culture) render them incapable. They cannot differentiate between what they should be legally allowed to do and the unwritten curricula (sometimes written, as well) that they deliver. Math is racist is a good example.
3 in K-12 and 2 in College.
Open concept classrooms are a terrible idea! Terribly distracting.
Yup
Chris, we had a male young teacher that would take lunches from Hispanic kids and eat their lunch. He never would buy lunch. I told our principle and he said he was an administrator son. I said he should know better then. Nothing was done so I called him to my office and told him he could not take the student lunch. He said they gave them to him. Come to find out he was their soccer couch. After that didn't work, I got in touch with my director, and she talked with his dad the administrator. That didn't work out to hot either. So, my director talked with the superintendent. That's when both the teacher and his dad the administrator disappeared. It was exhausting. I would have to go out to the teachers table every day and stand to make sure the students kept their lunch. It was 5 boys. I was so relieved when he was no longer with us, and I didn'tsupposedly
Crazy!
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As an Admin, let me ask you this. Why do so many Admins seem to think, lately, that they can "make rules" that bind kids and their actions outside of school? Like "liking a picture of a toy gun" or "posting a picture of a toy gun" on FB. Outside of school time. Those were real situations.
Administration do not make any rules. School boards do and of course they have to line up with state and federal laws.
Your video makes it sound like only bad teachers get targeted for lots of observations and criticism etc. There are politics and favoritism in public schools. It doesn’t matter how good a teacher is if the teacher is on a probationary contract and the principal doesn’t like her for whatever reason the principal *will* not renew her contract.
I taught in Texas and I know of teachers who were on a probationary contract (3 years) who were not bad teachers but someone in admin usually the principal did not like these teachers for one reason or another so the teacher was observed repeatedly and nitpicked and conferenced and maybe put on a growth plan until things built up to the point that the principal just didn’t renew that teacher’s contract because the principal didn’t like her or because the principal had a buddy that the principal wanted to teach that class next year.
Then they were willing to do a ton of work and get others involved helping to carry that out. Unless there are districts out there that allow principals to just do whatever with no oversight.
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This happened in 2 different districts.
One of the districts had a reputation for targeting teachers. It was usually just 1 teacher each year. Texas is a right to work state so even though there are teachers unions, their power is limited. There was an unspoken rule that teachers in this district should not join a union. The teacher in question belonged to a union and told other teachers that they should also join a union. The long time teachers reacted by saying that they weren’t going to join a union because they wanted to keep their jobs and they knew from experience that teachers who joined the union had a target on their backs.
This was a small district. And I do believe that principals didn’t have much oversight. If the principal wanted to non-renew a teacher who was on a probationary contract she probably had a little paperwork to do but then the superintendent just rubber stamped it.
Some say it was the principal who chose the target. Some say it was the superintendent. Once they decided who they wanted to target either the principal or the literacy coach would come in to do short observations and take notes at least a few times a week. Nothing positive was ever documented. Only negative and as much as they could find or plausibly make up.
They targeted teachers who were still on probationary contracts which made it easier on them because they didn’t have to give a reason and they didn’t have to prove anything and the teacher couldn’t appeal.
The teacher I know that they targeted had a proficient annual evaluation. She taught 1st grade so there was no high stakes test but there was a state reading test that teachers gave verbally to one student at a time at the beginning, middle, and end of the year. This teacher’s students did well on the test. So there was no reason to non-renew her but they didn’t need a reason so they just non-renewed her.
That was an ongoing practice in this district. That and if any teacher’s students had good scores on the 3 times a year state reading test, they accused her of cheating. So they’d either make her give the test again to each student while the literacy coach watched or they’d have someone pull each student and retest them. In both cases the teacher was not cheating. Her students really did do that well.
In the other district the principal liked to hire her buddies. One of her buddies was just about finished with taking her tests to get her teaching certificate. This buddy of the principal specifically wanted to teach a particular grade the following school year. The principal and assistant principal knew this and in order to ensure a vacancy in the grade level the buddy wanted they chose a teacher in that grade level who was on a probationary contract and gave her an undeserved bad evaluation and put her on a growth plan and then non-renewed her to create a vacancy for the principal’s buddy. I say the bad evaluation was undeserved because this was a teacher who had teaching experience and had always gotten good evaluations. This was her first year in this district which is why
she was on a probationary contract
It happens and there’s nothing the teacher can do about it.
@@cmm2145 yes they will non-renew without telling them why if they do not have tenure in some states. They say if you tell them why then you have to give them a chance to correct their issues. The buddy thing is believable for sure, especially in small districts an usually goes along with coaching positions.
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I guess it makes sense that if they tell the teacher why they have to give the teacher a chance to correct the issues. However, this teacher received a Proficient on her annual evaluation. I realize that proficient doesn’t mean perfect and so there can still be some things the teacher needs to work on but if she was competent enough to be Proficient on her evaluation and still gets non-renewed but with a glowing letter of recommendation that’s fishy.
If her job performance was so lacking that they non-renewed her, how could she have been rated as a proficient teacher? The principal was the one who did the evaluation and the non-renewing. They of course had a reason but they didn’t have to tell the teacher so they didn’t. The reason was either because she belonged to the union or that the principal and/or superintendent didn’t like her or both.
Unless…. it wasn’t the principal’s decision to do the non-renewal. The superintendent could’ve told the principal to do that. His reason very well could’ve been because that teacher was in one of the unions. After all the teachers who had been there for a while wouldn’t join the union because they said that would put their jobs in jeopardy. Another teacher who was on a regular contract with the protection that provides was vocal about being in the union and she was the union representative. She was an experienced teacher so she only had to be on a probationary contract for one year. She didn’t start her union stuff until her second year when she was on a regular contract. They started micro-managing her. The principal and literacy coach were observing her a lot and only noting bad things. She had a Proficient evaluation and had between 20-25 years of teaching experience. But as soon as she started talking about the union they started accusing her of not properly implementing the teaching strategies that they were requiring all teachers to do.
Also there was a group of 5 or so teachers who met with the union at a local restaurant. Somebody ratted them out because a day or two after that meeting they were all put on growth plans. Every teacher who was at that meeting with the union got a growth plan. None of the teachers who weren’t at that meeting were put on growth plans.
With the other school it was definitely the “good ole girl” system. You know, it’s not *what* you know but *who*
you know that gets you the job. This buddy of the principal had been in the principal’s 1st grade class decades ago when the principal was a teacher. And the buddy’s mama was the school custodian around that time also. The principal had already decided she was going to hire her buddy but the buddy didn’t get her Bachelors until December so they had to wait until the next school year to hire her but they had a vacancy so they hired this other teacher with the intention of ripping her to shreds every way they could so that they could non-renew the “1 year only” teacher and hire the buddy. And that’s what they did. And they hired the buddy but found out 2 days before the kids reported back to school that there was one required test that the buddy failed. So they had to let the buddy go and hire a teacher to fill the vacancy at the last minute. I don’t know if the buddy ever ended up with the job she originally wanted for the next school year or not.
@@cmm2145 that is why Georgia changed it's evaluation system and made it so difficult, so everyone would not get proficient scores.
Don't waste your time in this soul destroying so-called career. Biggest regret of my life is being a teacher. Im only doing substituting now. Looking to get into tech. If you are going to college to be a teacher choose another major asap.
I am glad I did it
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE You mean got out or got into it?
@Storm Chaser did 30 and full retirement at 52 years-old
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE I'm getting into tech and have no plans to retire anytime soon. Mid 50's. I actively tell people that are younger not to go into teaching. I call it saving souls even though I'm not religious.
So teachers with different personalities can’t be successful? Can you elaborate on that? Like they are lazy or they don’t care about kids, etc? Just curious. I feel like sometimes it’s just the opinion of the principals.
I just know that some are successful and some are not. If you have the wrong personality for the wrong situation it is just not going to work.
8:30 my 3rd grade teacher was extremely abusive, my mom ended up having to come to school and scream at her and she got fined almost 500$ for it.
How about the incompetent administrators and district level people? Casting all the blame on teachers does not help the situation.
There is a process to fire them as well and it is easier and less complicated and faster.
@@NICHOLSRETIREMENTEMPIRE We’ll see. I recorded my piece of crap admin for forty minutes bashing the superintendent, HR, and every other admin in the district. She talked about working underground with parents to force the super to resign, said the only reason the super had the job was “bc of the race card”, etc. Hopefully she is back out on the street soon.