The only reason Katniss votes yes is it get Coin to trust her. By voting yes, Coin will allow Katniss to kill Snow and Katniss will take this opportunity to kill Coin. Coin being responsible for Prim’s death AND suggesting another Hunger Games proves to Katniss that Coin is just as evil as Snow. Katniss doesn’t want another Hunger Games, she wants to trick Coin so that she can kill her.
I’m surprised he wasn’t able to pick up on that in the books. They make it clear that Coin will likely kill off Katniss the first chance she gets because she doesn’t trust Katniss to support her rule. Katniss can see everything Snow said about Coin is true the minute Coin suggests the another Games. Katniss knows this is her one shot to kill her sister’s murderer who is setting herself up to be just like Snow was as a leader. She isn’t voting because she actually wants another Games; in fact, she’s voting to prevent that from happening.
"If your immediate answer isn't Coin, then you're a threat. You're the face of the rebellion. You may have more influence than any other single person," says Boggs.
I genuinely do not understand how bro doesn’t get Katniss as a character. She’s somebody who loves so wholeheartedly and deeply but has to force herself not to care because it destroys her. She loves Peeta and has loved him for the longest, she never stopped caring about him. She’s actively trying to protect herself by being mean and trying to put distance between them bc she knows that if she doesn’t the fact that the one person who loved her more than anything hates her now will be too heartbreaking to deal with. They’re in the middle of a war and she’s 17 years old at this point. She’s dealing with her emotions in the only way she knows how, ignoring them and being cold. It’s the same thing she did with her mother after her father died and they almost starved to death. She tries to ignore them but she can’t because she’s such a lover at heart. That’s why Peeta no longer being himself, especially after he straight up tells her that it’s the one thing he doesn’t want the Capital to do to him, hurts so much. She’s a realistic depiction of someone with cptsd and a ton of survivors guilt. She even straight up says in the books WHY she married Peeta and not Gale. Peeta represents peace, Gale represents war. Katniss has always been someone who has to fight so her actively choosing to live peacefully is a big deal and the fact that she has kids despite saying earlier that she didn’t want any, shows that she feels safe enough to bring kids into the world. She’s not flip flopping, she’s sad and doesn’t know how to deal with looking at a new Peeta who hates her, her way of dealing with it is being mean to him too but she can’t keep it up bc that’s not how she actually feels and Katniss cannot act for shit. She is actively grieving Peeta while also looking him in his eyes. Edit: Also they don’t immediately get together. They take their time becoming friends again and then eventually get together. They don’t have kids for like another 10 or so years after the war. I’d agree and say it was Collective Trauma if this wasn’t the case. Katniss doesn’t get to make many choices for herself but in the end she does by choosing peace and choosing Peeta. Edit edit: I can’t wait until you read and watch Songbirds and Snakes because you are actually really close on Snow’s motivations. He’s a little vindictive in the end but he’s still being truthful in his complement of Coin and his empathy about Prim’s death.
Katniss is such a great character for those reasons you listed! She loves and empathizes so deeply but stays cold and detached on the surface to protect herself. It drives me crazy when people write her off as whiny or annoying.
i think every single time I struggle/disagree with his assessments, it always boils down to him not understanding katniss as a character and especially as a young woman. which, i guess, is fine idk
@@camillaburity383YUP at the end of the day he’s just a man and can never understand the mind of a teenage girl especially one living in the middle of a war
So much of her “hating” Peeta is denial bc she can’t let herself love him when he is still brainwashed to want her dead. It’s both a teenage mindset of avoidance and a wartime mindset of survival. In my opinion, the moments she is earnest with him are the moments she can’t keep strong in what the “smart” move is. I actually think it’s really important to the overall themes that they can’t really nurture a life together until the war is over.
I agree Her being confused about the situation and "flip flopping" makes complete sense to me. She effectivly lost someone very important to her and has to deal with the grieve and the guilt, whilst seeing glimpses of the old Peeta
@@annakleaber Totally agree. Losing someone so important to her after forming that connection was really devastating, and it makes so much sense that she would shut down and try to lash out to push him away. Katniss in book 1 is shown to be emotionally stunted and closed off because of the responsibility she had to shoulder for her family. Losing her dad, effectively 'losing' her mom and having to step into that role to take care of everyone, then finding a real sense of safety in Peeta only for that to be ripped away too, of course she would lash out and 'flip flop.'
and also isn’t she kinda feels like she deserves Peeta being mean to her?? It never sat right with Katniss how Peeta can be so kind to her because she actively thinks that she is not a good person so all throughout the series Katniss has no idea how to deal with his feelings
Yeah, the first time she sees him after he attacked her and tries to kill her, when he is talking to Delly (in the book) she says that "finally he sees me for who I really am, Violent, Distrustful, Manipulative, Deadly. And I hate him for it" @@juliawho
I think the most fantastic thing about this entire trilogy, the most amazing scene, is when Haymitch votes with the mocking jay. Not for another hunger games, not yes, but with the mocking jay. Which showed their absolutely amazing bond and trust, he knew she had a plan and he didn't need to know what it was in order to trust her. It's such a parallel for when she is dehydrating in the first book but understands, that he doesn't send her water because she is close to a source, such an amazing dynamic. I love them more than any of Katniss' love interest
She was alone. Her mom didnt say goodbye to her. She couldn't be around her best friend anymore because seeing him made her think of the role he played in the death of her sister. She's shipped off the live in the graveyard that was once her home. She comes outside and Peeta is there, like he always is, and he's planting Primrose. The war is over and he's planting Primrose. There was no other option. There was no one else. Peeta saw her when they were 5 years old and decided to love her and he did for all his life he loved her. I get thinking that she shouldn't have ended up with anyone but i dont think that would have ever been the case. She knew fron the moment Peeta became her ally in the first hunger games that she would never be able to live without him.
I was going to aswer to him (I love his reaction but i am not in the same page as he is on this topic), but then I saw you comment and it pretty sump up everything I thought: that it is no conformism, it is a choice made by love when she is ready to accept it, realized and specially when she is not the leader of a revolution
To say that Katniss and Peeta’s relationship is just brought on through collective trauma and that Katniss only choses Peeta bc he’s an emotional crutch for her just doesn’t sound right. It really diminishes their relationship. Katniss does love Peeta. That’s why Snow kept Peeta prisoner because he knew torturing him was emotionally torturing Katniss.
Snow also saw himself in Peeta and wanted to brainwash him to be cold and unfeeling like he was. Snow also convinced himself that Lucy never loved him, so how could Katniss love or grow to love Peeta? Snow, being a sociopath, couldn't understand that Katniss over time grew to love Peeta after all they went through. It was Peeta's positivity through adversity she needed to see the world in a better light. A dandelion in the spring represented hope after the snow had melted.
THIS! It was so clear to me that she voted “yes” to gain the trust of Coin so she can execute her plan with no suspicion, she never actually supported another Hunger Games.
She is the most unreliable narrator but this to me was the most clear. Snow hates the districts, but he does value the Capitol and its citizens. The thing is I get where he's coming from about she doesn't really choose but she does. She chooses Prim. Time and time again. The reason I dislike Gale as a romantic interest is he keeps trying to make her choose. But she chooses Prim and those she loves. She does love Gale. She does love Peeta. But she also loves Haymitch and Effie and the people who are close to her and Gale couldn't understand that. Peeta let her pick the pace once he realized where her heart was truly at. It was always Prim.
@@edennaraI think they mean she’s unreliable in the way she looks at herself and the world around her. Time and time again she just couldn’t understand why anyone would like her or be nice to her like Peeta and Madge where. She continued to think Peeta was trying to kill her and even after that she couldn’t bring herself to full trust him. When he was brainwashed she even said in the book that he now saw her for what she truly was and that she hated him for it. She doesn’t think she’s a good person but almost everyone around her can see how loving and genuine she is. Everyone can see it but her. She’s distrustful and jaded so it makes some of her commentary unreliable in a way. At least that’s how I see it
I’m so glad there are so many comments explaining katniss’s character cause every time you had that “flip/flop” counter on there i wanted to scream lol
The ending is perfect! Katniss never wanted to raise kids in a world with the Hunger Games. Now that they are no longer a thing, she is safe to have a family.
Exactly. I mean the books are entirely from Katniss's POV, how is it so difficult to understand her feelings and reactions towards Peeta when we've spent most of our time in her mind understanding how she thinks and feels. I seriously don't understand how he completely misunderstands Katniss.
@@blainem774I mean I agree with you, but the movies ARE NOT the books. While watching We’re not in her mind so that’s a weird argument to make a point.
A few points. 1) katniess is never out of love with peta. She is trying to dissociate and convince herself that she is not in love with him because it hurts so much to see what the capital did to him. It’s her worse fear. Remember when finick says he wish peta and Annie were both dead instead of being tortured. 2) she votes yes so coin won’t be suspicions of her. The moment coin sends peta into battle with them, she knows coin is an enemy. Her asking to host a hunger games is more proof of that and she knows she has to kill her to end the cycle. 3) Johanna and Katina’s are friends. Johanna respects her and visa versa. Johanna just doesn’t express it well bc she is so traumatized for her whole family being killed
why do you assume what Katniss says is exactly what she feels? she will say thing to keep emotional distance within herself. just to get through the moment she is in. and i dont think you are meant to feel anything big at the end of these series or movies. that's just the 'oh i'm watching a movie for entertainment' idea. i honestly dont think that was the intention when the book was written, considering the messages in it. i dont think she really wanted to write something to give you epic highs of feelings, even at the death of coin. by the end, things just are and katniss is nearly destroyed having gone through it all. i think that is the final message. that exact feeling of going through it with her. the price of all those events.
This is it. This explains it. I didn't understand why I kept feeling like he and I read different books. It's Katniss being an unreliable narrator. You're meant to notice she doesn't understand what's going on around her. Madge was her closest friend (after Gale ofc) and she thought of her as acquaintance. Peeta literally bared his heart to her and she thought he was pretending. I did the same thing my first time reading. I think the hunger games is a book you have to sit with more than once.
The end of this book is as the end of war (i say based on anything bc I haven't lived a war) there's no winners bc war makes you lose so much that no price can be worth it and the best ending is keep living in a peaceful and loving way. It's bettersweet but it's truely the best ending.
“It’s so odd, am I the only one that thinks this?” YEAH hahaha you read books before that are narrated by the main character right? You can’t always trust what they are saying to themselves. Katniss was lying to herself because she was afraid that Peeta was never going to go back to remembering his feelings for her. So she wanted to stop liking him so she wouldn’t suffer . It’s pretty obvious, is not a flip flop of true feelings, is a flip flop of Katniss thoughts
Somebody once brought up that President Snow is the only person who expresses his sorrows about Prim’s death through the rest of the movie and I feel like that says something about him..
@@HRLastrowell peeta is kind of expected to but I think they mean specifically out of the leaders. Coin never said I’m sorry about your sister, she sweeps it under the rug.
man... almost everything you say you don't get about someone's attitude or think doesn't make sense in the story it's because you completely misunderstood the point.
I've never seen someone not get Katniss and Peeta. It makes me want to have a one on one with you to tell you all about them and how they are perfect for each other
I mean it's obvious that the reason why she agreed to continue The Hunger Games is because Katniss needed Coin to believe she was on her side, or else she might've not got the chance to kill her instead of Snow.
By the way I believe that Katniss voted for another Hunger Games with the capital's children because she was already planning on killing Coin. It was never going to happen and Katniss knew that
I remember when I watched The Hunger Games for the first time as a teen, I never truly understood why Katniss chooses Peeta and how they end up getting married and having kids but when you watch it as an adult, you pick up on the amount of love and care Katniss has for Peeta throughout every single movie, even if she feels conflicted between him and Gale, it comes to a point where he is equally as important as her own family so she feels the need to protect him and that's why I actually appreciate them being together by the end of it! Love should be equivalent to feeling like you're home and at peace, and that's what they were for each other!!
I said it once and I will say it again. Gale was the worst. Out of my female perspective, he was very manipulative and toxic from the beginning on. Not only his war views were shit. He wanted katniss only after every time somebody else showed interest in her. While peeta was heartbroken but understood that katniss had no time to figure out her feelings, Gale didn’t. He forced himself on her, kissed her without her consent out of the blue. She did even say in the book that this ruined the friendship. The only reason she considered him even was because he forced her to. Her entire inner dialogue was her trying to talk herself into liking Gale so she wouldn’t loose him. It was hard to read. He was an important friend to her she wanted to rely on, like she did all the time since her dad died. He was very important for her as an ally, but he ignored her basically gave her the silent treatment for not showing interest in him and being close to peeta. He refused helping her in this horrible time because his ego couldn’t handle it. Peeta was nice to Gale while Gale hated him. Peeta watched Gale when he was badly hurt and helped him even after seeing katniss kissing Gale but Gale refused gloves that could maybe have even belonged to peeta and made an entire scene. He hated even the thought that katniss wanted peeta to escape with them. Which made it even harder for katniss to manage two people she needed so desperately. The only reason why he saved peeta was because he thought that would bring him good points with her. Even in the end when prim was dead he didn’t comfort katniss he only brought up how the thing that looked good for him in her eyes was gone now. He was vile and every time i read about him it triggered my ptsd and made it hard to breathe. Katniss always loved peeta. She just didn’t had the time to think about it in this horrible situation she was in and deeply caring for her sister she wanted a good future for
He was a selfish driven character that only ever did what was best for him or made him look good. He wanted to own katniss and have her for himself. He wanted innocents to suffer for what he endured. He never thought about anyone else or put himself in their position and tried to see their side of the story
THIS!! i think its why men dont see the problem some people have with gale. I've been in the fandom for nearing ten years now, and i can say it's largely female dominated. Some men in the fandom don't see the issue with gale pressuring katniss or expecting affection from her, as it is often (not all the time, but often) men who are the perpetrators of this irl.
8:12 Katniss started saying all of that because the conversation helped Peeta remember his favorite color. You can feel the desperation and anguish in her words, along with a hope that it might bring more of his memories back. However, recalling Peeta's past also overwhelmed her. Yes, she is cold with Peeta after the hijacking, but like during the 74th and 75th Hunger Games, she is trying hard to suppress any feelings for him. Before the Mockingjay movie, she was suppressing her feelings for Peeta because she was trying to hold onto her life back home. Even if she liked him, the relationship with Peeta was forced upon her by the Capitol. After the Mockingjay, when Peeta was finally rescued, she thought he was going to kiss and hug her. But instead, he tried to kill her. She thought she had lost him forever, which is why she wanted to kill Snow. Quote from the book: “I accept deep down that he’ll never come back to me. Or I’ll never go back to him. I’ll stay in 2 until it falls, go to the Capitol and kill Snow, and then die for my trouble. And he’ll die insane and hating me.” 17:12 Actually, no-I watched the movies first and then read the books. I didn’t hate him in the movies, but after reading the books, I felt more dislike for him. This was not because of some love triangle, but because he was consumed with revenge. While this is a natural response and I do sympathize with what he went through, but I can also see when a character has flaws and makes questionable decisions. That’s why I like his character: he was a young, traumatized teenager put in a powerful position with little experience, used by Coin, and he made some decisions he would regret forever. That’s why he couldn’t face Katniss after his sister died. It's technically not his fault, but he did play a part in making those inhumane traps to kill medics and katniss warned him about it but he was so far in the mindset of winning the war at all costs that he was okay with any collateral damage. 18:03 & 20:17 The ending is supposed to be bittersweet. Anyone would feel emotionally drained after what happened. That’s how Katniss must have felt. The ending also shows that even after unimaginable trauma and loses, she still found some hope to live on and felt safe enough to have children. They bonded because of their shared trauma, but Katniss suppresses her feelings as I mentioned above. You can see this in how she talks about the kiss in the cave and the kiss on the beach. Only because She thought she was going to die in the 75th Hunger Games, that she let her real feelings show during those moments. The "real or not real" conversation happened after some time had passed. They genuinely became friends, and she wouldn’t lie to him because Peeta would have been okay with just being friends but she choose him and lived the life she deserved for everyone she lost.
I don’t think you really understand these stories or their relationships and just how complicated they are but it has been a joy seeing you react to everything for the first time LMAO
It’s actually crazy how much you missed every point made in this series, like no hate but idk how you managed to do that. Especially after reading the books. Would recommend looking at some analysis videos.
Johanna and her trained together so they can qo to a mision. But Johanna had a crisis in a training test that includes water and they don´t let her go. But in that time, while training, Katniss and Johanna became friends and open with each other, in the same way it´s in district 13 where Katniss and Finnick really became friends because they where suffering for Peeta and Annie being kidnapped.
My thoughts on Katniss voting yes to another Hunger Games was that she needed Coin to announce it publicly so that the people knew what type of leader Coin was before Katniss executed her. Katniss needed the people to understand the motivation for her perceived “treason”.
AND Katniss needed Coon to trust her!! Katniss knows Coin does not trust her and needed to show Coin she could be trusted. Thus, her voting for a ceremonial hunger games.
I always thought katniss voted yes to a new hunger games because she already knew she was going to kill coin, did I get that so wrong ? 😂 I have too much faith in people
She never wanted the Games to continue. She just agreed so that she could get her chance to kill Coin. Haymitch knew what she actually wanted. That's why he agreed. But neither want the games to continue in any capacity... which is why they killed Coin. So she couldn't continue them and be another Snow.
She needed to gain coins trust so being a yes man is a pretty fast way to do that. Also she had to say for prim to show that she still believes that it was snow who killed prim, not coin. That’s why haymitch says I vote with the Mockingjay, not just a yes or a no.
Dude, you have got to read books again because you clearly didnt get the whole storyline. She doesn't hate Peeta not at all actually. Yes she feels like she owns him from the bread, and yes she pretended to be in love with him to survive. But some of those feelings were genuine. When he died in the Quarter Quell, that , THAT was love. When she kissed him in the quarter quell that was love! Even snow and his granddaugther saw it "Someday I want to love somebody that much" "It is the things we LOVE most, that destroy us" "In the end the only person I want to comfort me is Haymitch because he LOVES Peeta TOO" "What I need is not Gale' fire kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring, the bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on no matter how bad our losses And only Peeta can give me that" There is plenty of evidence.
I was getting a little heated every time he brought up the fact that he doesn’t think Katniss loved Peeta. The pearl she held onto the whole time in mocking jay that he gave her on the each in catching fire, the kissing scene in catching fire where they’re startled by finnick and he realizes what’s going on, when they’re making the family book in catching fire, the fact that she cared so much about him surviving the 75th games even if it meant her death. I really want him to go back and reread the book because the storyline is both beautiful to see her fall in love with him, and heartbreaking to see her try and unlove him. This is a series, like so many others, that I can reread and fine more fine details from the author, that you miss the first time reading. On another note, he doesn’t understand why everyone dislikes or hates gale and it makes me slightly irritated because it goes so much deeper then what he believes is the reason many don’t like him 😂
@@mockjayingyeah Gale kinda just sucked lol. He was like I get it was an act but like you still kissed him 🥺. That’s why I hated him like dude she did that as an ACT, I don’t know how much clearer she could be.
@@mockjaying I know right? It is like he totally missed all the signs in the book and movies where there is prove that she genuinely cares about Peeta. And it is so frustrating
@@joieknox6447 I am actually re-reading Catching fire right now, and I have just come across their talk in the woods. Isn't it funny that Gale agrees to run away with Katniss in a heartbeat in the beginning, but when she mentions Haymitch and Peeta, he changed his mind? All because she didn't day "I love you" back And then he is mad at her for wanting to do exactly the same thing he does. He wants to safe people from dying, but because those people includes Haymitch and especially Peeta, it's different And yes she says that Gale is hers and she is his, but that is when he is laying on the table hurt. Because of how he reacted when she didn't say it back.
@@Clotte90 Gale is in all honestly not the worst person. He’s incredibly selfless and brave and heroic but just not to katniss. When it comes to get he gets extremely possessive and jealous and very different person. I think the problem with Gale was the exact thing katniss says, they are the same person. Both will do anything for their families and are extremely passionate fiery people. That’s why peeta was needed, he is the calm who can see from other peoples point of view. I also think Gale is very nearsighted, he brushes the Capitol people off as awful evil people while katniss, partly due to her time in the Capitol, sees them for what they are, clueless, brainwashed and helpless. I think that’s the defining characteristic of peeta is his empathy and I think that’s what katniss needed, she needed someone with the same empathy as her and to show her you can be empathetic and happy.
the friendship between joana and katniss is literally so sweet and wholesome. i dont know if it's just because you need to reread the books to catch some of the little things (i need to do that) but you have interesting takes.
I feel like their relationship is built on mutual respect. They don't like each other but neither are shy about their feelings towards the games/capitol/Snow and I think they see that in each other and can relate. It's complicated to be sure, but I think that's what makes their dynamic interesting.
@@lazycat8057 i think they ended up liking each other after working together to get fit and healthy again, i feel like the mutual respect grew to friendship in a way.
I think what isn't maybe clear is that Katniss lashing out on Peeta is very much her in denail, distancing heraelf him and her feeling for him in order to protect herself because she's quite litteraly constantly on a cliffs edge
Don’t always agree with your opinions but I love getting to hear your perspectives. It allows me to reexamine what I think of the books, which is my favorite part of watching commentaries. So excited for your TBOSAS review - keep up the good work!
Katniss didn’t actually not care of Peeta when he was hijacked. She was trying to protect herself from pain and told herself she doesn’t care. And you should read Katnissis inner monologue around Peeta more expecially on Cathing Fire in arena if you don’t think she wasn’t already in love
What is sad is I remember reading an article that Suzanne Collins was considered keeping Finnick alive in part 2 because she did regret killing him off in the book. However, we see she stayed true to the book!
Agree with all the comments (that i managed to read before writing this) about Katniss and Peeta. There’s a moment in the first book where she realizes “i guess i have been keeping up with the boy with the bread too”, already pointing to the fact Peeta held a special place. I know, i know it’s not romantic, but him staying in her radar all these years, and him being basically the worst option as a fellow tribute… add that to the fact she firmly believes she WONT marry and have kids. Liking someone romantically is just not in the cards for that teen. She never even speaks of Gale as an option. Only considers it when he brings it up. In the books i always got the sensd that her feelings for peeta were murky, whereas for Gale are clearly: this is my ride or die partner. Murky feelings in teens usually means there’s something more brewing that are confusing and painful to think about.
i think a lot of the confusion with katniss's affections for peeta and that whole romantic storyline, is that in the books shes a crazy unreliable narrator and just doesn't trust anyone and shes also 17 and trying to shut off her emotions to deal with the devastating things happening to them all. i feel like when you look at it and try and read between the lines a bit it shows how much she constantly thinks and cares about peeta
@RedLovelyRed I think it makes sense. We've already been told about Haymitchs games. They watch them in Catching Fire, we know what happens to haymitch after and the repercussions of his "rebelious" actions and who he becomes. But someone like Tigris who supported Snow and then didn't. Katniss saw her in her earliest remembered games. So she was around but what if Haymitchs year was the year she started seeing, started being disillusioned. I can't see what Haymitchs perspective could add and I can't imagine her having it written in the perspective of another tribute we know will not survive. Tigris would be unique because what she remembers is kids being thrown into zoo pens and horse stables. But her cousin has now made the Victor a true victor. Has made the survivor famous.given them all a taste of luxury. What a mind break that would be.
Oh my did you really mention Katniss saying yes to Hunger games with the capitol kids? She only said yes to be able to be close to Coin to kill her! Of course she did not want it. Even Haymitch agreeing with her was all part of a bigger plan.
‘This is when we figure out just how alike we are” and then haymitch goes “I’m with the mocking jay” after she gave him a glance. Or something like that. I’m convinced he skimmed the books and didn’t actually take in the books because there’s so many minute details you would miss if you just skimmed and tried to finish the books really fast. I would highly recommend the audio book for him to listen to, because he completely missed so many story lines that were woven into the book.
At the end this is a story about war, and teens with PTSD thrown in the middle. It's not about romance, it's about fighting for your life and the life of your loved ones, and finding your safe space in the end. Miss Suzanne really popped off with these (and continues to do so!)
Katniss only votes yes to get Coin to trust her. That is genuinely the only reason. If Coin trusts her then Katniss could get an opportunity to kill Coin. Also Katniss rarely says what she feels. When she says she hates peeta or when she’s being rude to him it’s to distance herself emotionally. She has loved him since Catching Fire. That doesn’t change when he’s highjacked. Pushing him away is her way of attempting to save herself from completely breaking. She’s in so much pain and she’s trying to cope. But sometimes she lets her walls slip and thats when she says something sweet that shows her love for him. She’s trying to build her walls high but its hard.
Katniss didn’t actually want Capitol children in the arena, wasn’t this mentioned in comments of the book already? She decided she would kill Coin after hearing that proposal. Her vote of yes was so Coin would not suspect her, and Haymitch also didn’t want the games but had faith in Katniss having a plan
i think you missed a lot of points lol, katniss does not hate peeta. i think she had him at arms length to protect herself and she knows she has to focus on the war. they don’t “randomly” get married, they slowly become friends again and then he’s get married. she loved him long before then that’s very obvious. also, she voted yes to a new hunger games so she would have an opportunity to kill coin.
I CANT BELIEVE YOU PUT THE ENTIRE SCENE OF THAT INSIDIOUS TUNNEL. damn man, the reason I have Never watched mocking jay p2 is because it is too gruesome, my baby dies in there. man I love you and your reviews and I love that you are in this with the fandom, but the whole entire scene to reawaken my trauma and my delusion that he is still alive.😮💨
The end before Katniss kills Coin is a CGI. They added that from a scene he did because they had a few moments of him on film that they didn't used or something but when he says you can tell is the moment you can tell he was added in to the scene.
@@janeandle Yes, but that's common practice. I just meant they didn't do any uncanny valley deep fakes like they did with Paul Walker and Carrie Fisher.
Katniss only votes 'yes' to make coin think she is onside, and haymitch is waiting to follow katniss' lead, and knows theres noway she would genuinely agree to that, and realises she must have something planned, so agrees with her. They needed coin to trust them.
She also never stops feeling for peeta, she loved him in the 2nd book but never realised until he was taken. She shuts down emotionally because she is 17, and hideously mentally and emotionally traumatised by her life in 12, losing her dad, her mother shutting down, hunting to survive, and being in the games twice! She is in a war! She cant be lovey dovey because it will break her. She cuts off her emotions, goes cold, shuts down and focuses on her task to cope emotionally, always has. She loves peeta and is riddled with grief and guilt with what happened to him and how he reacted to her. She isnt flip flopping, she has moments of being 'strong' and holding back, pushing it all away; moments of being 'weak' where she lets those feelings and her love and need for him take over. But she always cares about him, she just cant stand whats happened to him...
I’m not done with the video yet, but I think the flip flopping is exaggerated (because we can’t get inside her head in a film), but I don’t think it’s inaccurate. She’s having a hard time separating the Peeta she fell in love with and the mutt that was returned to her, but he’s only a mutt because he was tortured, and he did so because he’s all the things she’s in love with him for, and how much heartbreak can she put herself through to bring him back even though he doesn’t seem to be getting better and wouldn’t it be easier to put him out of his misery cause it’s not him even though it’s the same voice and the same face of the man she loves. I don’t think we see the thought process on Jen’s face as much as would be helpful, but Katniss is making choices (I assume) based on the above… and she’s still super young so I’m not surprised she can’t stick with her choice at any given moment.
Been loving these videos! What I find so interesting as someone who has read the books too (before watching the movies) is how people interpret such different things. While reading the books, from like half book 2 it was clear to me she loved Peeta and it never seemed as if Gale was ever an option or that a love triangle existed at all. That angle was much more played in the movies. I liked Gale but he's not THAT present of a character so I never loved him like I did some other characters. On the other hand, he has some strong like for Gale and did not read Katniss has loving Peeta at all. Perspectives man, so interesting 😅
For me, it makes sense for her to end up with Peeta in the end because throughout the books, she always thought about how she would never have children because of the Hunger Games. In a scenario where the games had continued, it would have made more sense for her to stay with Gale-they would continue hunting and fighting to survive. But in this scenario at the end, with the end of the Hunger Games, Katniss can finally consider this other option that she never allowed herself to think about. In this new scenario, I think Peeta fits better because Gale kind of represents Katniss's life during the time of the games
Maybe I'm a romantic but I think Katniss always loved Peeta, she didn't even know it herself for a long time, but us, as readers/spectators knew it. We knew it when they kissed on the beach during Quarter Quell, that was clear.
I really think we should remember that they are 1. Teenagers 2. Traumatised teenagers 3. In a war . Adults in real life can't even understand their emotions, accept them and then tell them to others. Katniss is doing her best! And Peeta too
I love that you are doing this. I love hearing others thoughts because all I have is love for this series and you are so funny. Thanks for making me smile!
Paused to say - that kid is the kid from the book. Their performance was so horrifying that it would have made the movie R rated, so they decided to cut it. Just an FYI.
I read the books within one or two days while being sick and staying at home. I did nothing else but read the whole day, I might have had a slight fever, and the whole expierience honestly felt like a fever dream afterwards. I watched the first three movies but had no inclination to ever watch this last one. I think the story is amazingly written, the ending is genius, I don't think I'll ever read it again.
they added Haymitch and Effie's kiss because fans when watching the movies loved their chemistry so Woody and Elizabeth actually asked the writers of the screenplay to add it, despite it not being canon. I loved the addition
18:24 This scene affects me so much that before Katniss even breaksdown I'm already starting to cry the way Jennifer so perfectly potrays the devastation and agony Katniss goes through at the realisation that Prim the whole reason she was fighting to begin with was gone nd that although the games were over and the districts were free from Snow she still lost the most important person to her everything she personally went through to keep Prim safe didn't mean shit because she still dies.
This comment section has nailed it. Her feelings weren’t flip flopping but her self preservation was making her act a certain way to keep herself sane. It was complex and kind of an insult to peg her as a shallow teen who just can’t pick between two cute guys.
You just don't get women and the things they would put/ do to themselves to avoid pain Katniss was trying to cope by gaslighting herself into thinking she didn't care for Peeta anymore
This has become one of my favorite youtube series to watch. I love the book-adaptation comparisons and love your knowledge. Can't wait for TBOSBAS and everything that comes after!
On the Katniss' and peeta front- I feel like she never hates him, she never "doesn't have feelings for him" shes 17 and in a war, and the person she thought unconditionally loved her became hellbent on killing her. Her way of dealing with that is distance and compartmentalization, it's why she runs away to D2. It's why we keep seeing these moments of vulnerability then her running away. Plus I think she does lash out at the Capitol by joining the D13 military and going on her one woman assassination mission. I
Chiming in on the scene of Gale's capture. In the movie she has no excuse. In the book she freezes in the chaos and can't understand what he's saying and when she realizes it's too late. Hard to get that across visually, though
Suzanne Collins has said she's been very careful with what she includes in the hunger games world, whether in the original trilogy or the prequels she ended up writing. She's interested in political theory, so in an interview explained the main trilogy was her exploring the concept of a rebellion that must be studied from a prior stage than the uprising itself. And she said that the Snow prequel was her exploring the concept of "state of nature". This makes me more pumped to see what she wants to write about in the Haymitch prequel.
Watching your reviews encouraged me to re-read the books and re-watch the films, and I’m so glad I did. It was nice to be reminded how genuinely excellent they both were! I disagree with your overall thoughts about Gale, though. He’s not irredeemable or a bad person because of the bomb-or even because of his increasing militarism-but he’s definitely the wrong romantic choice for Katniss. In both the books and the films, he’s incapable of seeing beyond his own emotions. She sets boundaries and makes it clear that she’s not in a headspace to accept anyone’s advances because she’s focused on her own survival. Nevertheless, he toes the line with snippy, passive-aggressive asides, trying to shame her into confessing or picking him (usually in inappropriate and high-stress situations). The fact that he feels so entitled to Katniss’s attention sucks. Peeta is hurt by her rejection in the beginning, but he recognizes his wounded feelings for what they are and apologizes for burdening her when he understands how much pressure she’s under. He doesn’t hide his love, but he does his best to meet her where she is without expectations. And he doesn’t use that love to make her feel guilty when she fails to reciprocate. The foxhole friend is not the one you want as a long-term romantic partner. Foxhole friends are reactive, constantly looking for threats. Katniss felt less constrained by the Capitol’s rules when she and Gale hunted together, sure, but that’s not the same as feeling safe. You need someone who’s willing to be vulnerable so that you can feel secure enough to be vulnerable too. Gale was never that for Katniss, but Peeta was.
Even long before this point though, Gale demonstrated his lack of compassion for the enemy and drove a wedge between him and Katniss because he didn't understand War. Katniss felt like she had returned home from a war twice and retained her compassion: seeing the other tributes as victims and also the enemy soldiers in 2 as victims. And Gale couldn't understand that. In fact he refused to when Katniss confronted him about it in 2 and about the new weapons he and Beetee were making. She knew that by this point their perspectives were driving them apart and she didn't want or need to be friends with someone who only thought of himself.
Katniss 1000% never wanted a symbolic games. Remember how much she was affected by: Rues death, Thresh, she even has guilt over the boy who killed Rue, and for Cato. Her reaction to the little girl telling her “one day im going to volunteer just like you.” Book 1, Katniss knows who the real enemy is, the Capitol and Snow. Book 2, she is mistrusting everyone but remembers who the real enemy is in the end. Book 3, the ‘enemy’ takes on a life beyond just Snow but rather the whole concept of a system of power in the wrong hands. She NEVER ever viewed killing kids or any civilians as a form of justice, actively went against it. She’s against the plan at the Nut. She clearly states they gain nothing except playing as Snow’s pawns by killing each other before she gets shot in D2. She knows the symbolic games were Coins idea. She also knew, thanks to Boggs, that Coin saw her as a threat. So, Katniss voted no, pretending she doesn’t see right through her. Haymitch doesn’t agree either. In the book it’s explained that Katniss and Haymitch share a look of mutual understanding and trust, and he says “I’m with the Mockingjay.” And as her final mission, she plans to kill Coin, then take the night lock.
I’m sure you have heard this a lot but the “love triangle” isn’t truly about who Katniss loves more, it’s about who Katniss wants to be. Does she want to be someone who is angry, vengeful, doesn’t care about human lives bc they are against her. Or does she want to be the person who raises up to be helpful, be hopeful, protect innocent lives. That’s the point of the love triangle, Collins uses Peeta and Gale as devices to show the outcomes of war. That’s why in the first book you don’t see Katniss being in love with Peeta, she is vengeful against the Capitol. In the 2nd she finds peace with friends in the arena showing her that there is hope thus developing feelings for Peeta. And in the last book it’s her choice, will she let war take over her or will she be hopeful for the future
i lowkey love watching this series having read and watched all the books and movies. especially when he says things like "that won't happen...will it?"
I will say, the first time I read the books I felt the same way. I was so mad she ended up with either of them. After re-reading it a few times over the last 10 or so years, my opinion has changed a little. I think she does need Peeta in her life, but not sure to what capacity. I still hate Gale though. He's not shy about seeing others as inhuman - from the first book (you can hunt. animals. it's no different) to the last where he breaks down the psychology of prey to create his snares. Also, about Katniss flip-flopping. She's been through a lot and the capitol and this war has taken every single emotion she's had and used it against her (she says as much in Mockingjay when Peeta and Gale have their chat). She's confused and doesn't have the capacity to figure it out in the story, which is understandable. She's also 17. What 17 year old knows what they want without being the catalyst that collapses society around them? Anyway, I love these videos and your reactions. Congrats for making it this far despite how haunting, tragic and depressing the whole thing is 😅 Get yourself a little treat and a happy tale as a reward!
U know what’s so crazy is before reading Songbirds for the first time I also was like “well at least there’s no WAY it could be more anxiety inducing or dehumanizing than the first trilogy” and then it ended up taking me a month to read due to needing to take breaks and protect my peace
There was such a unique experience of reading this as a child and experiencing the conversation throughout adulthood. Katniss as an unreliable narrator wasn’t something i understood until I was like a full blown adult. Also to put it into perspective, culturally hunger games was supposed to be a jarring response to twilight “Jacob v Edward” where female characters were given the depth young girls craved. So yeah her “choosing” someone at the end wasn’t logical but it was expected in that time period of YA fiction to pick a side. I remember every tumblr blog arguing over hunger games being sophisticated and not needing a romance plot but in the end it still wrapped up with a romantic partner which tbh frustrated me too but there was also the conversation that there is no ending that could have been comforting given what she had gone through.
At issue here is that he has a few fundamental misunderstandings. And maybe it’s from not fully getting that Katniss is an unreliable narrator (or maybe not seeing how that impacts how the story is told). You can’t take what she says or her narration of the story at face value. For example, thinking she is flip flopping on her feelings. No, she just shuts down the feelings she’s having because she can’t cope with the pain of losing Peeta (as he was). It’s easier to convince herself he’s not Peeta anymore and be detached from her previous feelings. Also, not realizing that she did have feelings for him way earlier than she realizes. She actually had strong feelings of love by the end of the first book. Because she’s an unreliable narrator, we as readers can’t fully accept what she tells us, we have to understand what she shows us. As an example, in the second book she describes watching Peeta draw and being fascinated by his eyelashes. She’s just sitting in his company, staring at him, watching him do something mundane because it’s pleasant and comfortable and intriguing for her to do so. She loves with him by that point. But she can’t tell us that because she doesn’t understand it. So Collins shows us through describing what Katniss is doing. I think a reread of the books with focus on what Collins shows us despite what Katniss tells us would alter his conclusions A LOT.
As someone who loves katniss and peeta im shocked at so many people saying "you don't understand katniss" when you have also read the books, your interpretation is just as valid. I don't agree katniss chose peeta because he was her last option, I believe katniss was in love with peeta but I fully understand why you don't want them to get together. You explained why they shouldn't have been together (or at least so soon) and you're probably right they did use each other as emotional crutches and the experiences they went through at such a young age doesnt mean that being married to each other for the next 40-50 years is going to work out. It is a story and a love story so it is all very fitting in the end for them to come together but you made a lot of realistic points, and people are trying to explain to you what you already know. I also feel like most of people's hatred towards gale stems for their love for peeta which is completely biased
I waited two days to watch this video, to mentally prepare myself to watch this with you, because i have taken a LONG break of hunger games because its messed with my brain so much.
Katniss is being harsh because she can't bear caring for Peeta while he's brain washed, it's too painful. But at the end, she learns that her heart is now safe and she can allow herself to love him.
The only reason Katniss votes yes is it get Coin to trust her. By voting yes, Coin will allow Katniss to kill Snow and Katniss will take this opportunity to kill Coin. Coin being responsible for Prim’s death AND suggesting another Hunger Games proves to Katniss that Coin is just as evil as Snow. Katniss doesn’t want another Hunger Games, she wants to trick Coin so that she can kill her.
I’m surprised he wasn’t able to pick up on that in the books. They make it clear that Coin will likely kill off Katniss the first chance she gets because she doesn’t trust Katniss to support her rule. Katniss can see everything Snow said about Coin is true the minute Coin suggests the another Games. Katniss knows this is her one shot to kill her sister’s murderer who is setting herself up to be just like Snow was as a leader. She isn’t voting because she actually wants another Games; in fact, she’s voting to prevent that from happening.
This is always really obvious I don’t know how people miss that part 😭😭 it’s just context clues
i really hope he sees this
"If your immediate answer isn't Coin, then you're a threat. You're the face of the rebellion. You may have more influence than any other single person," says Boggs.
He knows guys, he edits the video like this on purpose so people would comment on it explaining things he already knows. It's called tricking people
I genuinely do not understand how bro doesn’t get Katniss as a character. She’s somebody who loves so wholeheartedly and deeply but has to force herself not to care because it destroys her. She loves Peeta and has loved him for the longest, she never stopped caring about him. She’s actively trying to protect herself by being mean and trying to put distance between them bc she knows that if she doesn’t the fact that the one person who loved her more than anything hates her now will be too heartbreaking to deal with. They’re in the middle of a war and she’s 17 years old at this point. She’s dealing with her emotions in the only way she knows how, ignoring them and being cold. It’s the same thing she did with her mother after her father died and they almost starved to death. She tries to ignore them but she can’t because she’s such a lover at heart. That’s why Peeta no longer being himself, especially after he straight up tells her that it’s the one thing he doesn’t want the Capital to do to him, hurts so much. She’s a realistic depiction of someone with cptsd and a ton of survivors guilt. She even straight up says in the books WHY she married Peeta and not Gale. Peeta represents peace, Gale represents war. Katniss has always been someone who has to fight so her actively choosing to live peacefully is a big deal and the fact that she has kids despite saying earlier that she didn’t want any, shows that she feels safe enough to bring kids into the world. She’s not flip flopping, she’s sad and doesn’t know how to deal with looking at a new Peeta who hates her, her way of dealing with it is being mean to him too but she can’t keep it up bc that’s not how she actually feels and Katniss cannot act for shit. She is actively grieving Peeta while also looking him in his eyes.
Edit: Also they don’t immediately get together. They take their time becoming friends again and then eventually get together. They don’t have kids for like another 10 or so years after the war. I’d agree and say it was Collective Trauma if this wasn’t the case. Katniss doesn’t get to make many choices for herself but in the end she does by choosing peace and choosing Peeta.
Edit edit: I can’t wait until you read and watch Songbirds and Snakes because you are actually really close on Snow’s motivations. He’s a little vindictive in the end but he’s still being truthful in his complement of Coin and his empathy about Prim’s death.
Such great points. Taking Katniss's actions at face value is what she wants, but there's so much underlying all her decisions.
Katniss is such a great character for those reasons you listed! She loves and empathizes so deeply but stays cold and detached on the surface to protect herself. It drives me crazy when people write her off as whiny or annoying.
i think every single time I struggle/disagree with his assessments, it always boils down to him not understanding katniss as a character and especially as a young woman. which, i guess, is fine idk
@@camillaburity383YUP at the end of the day he’s just a man and can never understand the mind of a teenage girl especially one living in the middle of a war
he really needs to read this comment lol
"Gale, NOW IS NOT THE TIME" actually sums up the issues I have with him pretty well lol 😂
So much of her “hating” Peeta is denial bc she can’t let herself love him when he is still brainwashed to want her dead. It’s both a teenage mindset of avoidance and a wartime mindset of survival. In my opinion, the moments she is earnest with him are the moments she can’t keep strong in what the “smart” move is. I actually think it’s really important to the overall themes that they can’t really nurture a life together until the war is over.
I agree
Her being confused about the situation and "flip flopping" makes complete sense to me. She effectivly lost someone very important to her and has to deal with the grieve and the guilt, whilst seeing glimpses of the old Peeta
Thank you for saying this! I didn't manage to put my thoughts on this into a coherent comment 😂
@@annakleaber Totally agree. Losing someone so important to her after forming that connection was really devastating, and it makes so much sense that she would shut down and try to lash out to push him away. Katniss in book 1 is shown to be emotionally stunted and closed off because of the responsibility she had to shoulder for her family. Losing her dad, effectively 'losing' her mom and having to step into that role to take care of everyone, then finding a real sense of safety in Peeta only for that to be ripped away too, of course she would lash out and 'flip flop.'
and also isn’t she kinda feels like she deserves Peeta being mean to her?? It never sat right with Katniss how Peeta can be so kind to her because she actively thinks that she is not a good person so all throughout the series Katniss has no idea how to deal with his feelings
Yeah, the first time she sees him after he attacked her and tries to kill her, when he is talking to Delly (in the book) she says that "finally he sees me for who I really am, Violent, Distrustful, Manipulative, Deadly. And I hate him for it" @@juliawho
I think the most fantastic thing about this entire trilogy, the most amazing scene, is when Haymitch votes with the mocking jay. Not for another hunger games, not yes, but with the mocking jay. Which showed their absolutely amazing bond and trust, he knew she had a plan and he didn't need to know what it was in order to trust her. It's such a parallel for when she is dehydrating in the first book but understands, that he doesn't send her water because she is close to a source, such an amazing dynamic. I love them more than any of Katniss' love interest
Can’t wait for Haymitch’s story!!!
ahh good parallel find
I have always thought this about Katniss and Haymitch.
Katniss: Ignoring her feelings for Peeta to win a war.
This guy: She just flip flops and it makes no sense!
She was alone. Her mom didnt say goodbye to her. She couldn't be around her best friend anymore because seeing him made her think of the role he played in the death of her sister. She's shipped off the live in the graveyard that was once her home. She comes outside and Peeta is there, like he always is, and he's planting Primrose. The war is over and he's planting Primrose. There was no other option. There was no one else. Peeta saw her when they were 5 years old and decided to love her and he did for all his life he loved her.
I get thinking that she shouldn't have ended up with anyone but i dont think that would have ever been the case. She knew fron the moment Peeta became her ally in the first hunger games that she would never be able to live without him.
I was going to aswer to him (I love his reaction but i am not in the same page as he is on this topic), but then I saw you comment and it pretty sump up everything I thought: that it is no conformism, it is a choice made by love when she is ready to accept it, realized and specially when she is not the leader of a revolution
To say that Katniss and Peeta’s relationship is just brought on through collective trauma and that Katniss only choses Peeta bc he’s an emotional crutch for her just doesn’t sound right. It really diminishes their relationship. Katniss does love Peeta. That’s why Snow kept Peeta prisoner because he knew torturing him was emotionally torturing Katniss.
Snow also saw himself in Peeta and wanted to brainwash him to be cold and unfeeling like he was. Snow also convinced himself that Lucy never loved him, so how could Katniss love or grow to love Peeta? Snow, being a sociopath, couldn't understand that Katniss over time grew to love Peeta after all they went through. It was Peeta's positivity through adversity she needed to see the world in a better light. A dandelion in the spring represented hope after the snow had melted.
She votes yes... for Prim. In the books she is stating she will know if Haymitch truly knows her. She's already planning on taking out Coin.
THIS! It was so clear to me that she voted “yes” to gain the trust of Coin so she can execute her plan with no suspicion, she never actually supported another Hunger Games.
She is the most unreliable narrator but this to me was the most clear. Snow hates the districts, but he does value the Capitol and its citizens. The thing is I get where he's coming from about she doesn't really choose but she does. She chooses Prim. Time and time again. The reason I dislike Gale as a romantic interest is he keeps trying to make her choose. But she chooses Prim and those she loves. She does love Gale. She does love Peeta. But she also loves Haymitch and Effie and the people who are close to her and Gale couldn't understand that. Peeta let her pick the pace once he realized where her heart was truly at.
It was always Prim.
@@jennahunt6861how is she an unreliable narrator? i feel like she just said what she thought. i guess its clouded with bias if thats what u mean
@@ornatcohen5740and on top of that it was to show that she still believes that it was snow that killed prim, not coin.
@@edennaraI think they mean she’s unreliable in the way she looks at herself and the world around her. Time and time again she just couldn’t understand why anyone would like her or be nice to her like Peeta and Madge where. She continued to think Peeta was trying to kill her and even after that she couldn’t bring herself to full trust him. When he was brainwashed she even said in the book that he now saw her for what she truly was and that she hated him for it. She doesn’t think she’s a good person but almost everyone around her can see how loving and genuine she is. Everyone can see it but her. She’s distrustful and jaded so it makes some of her commentary unreliable in a way. At least that’s how I see it
I’m so glad there are so many comments explaining katniss’s character cause every time you had that “flip/flop” counter on there i wanted to scream lol
Boggs doesn't have to know Coins plan, he just knows Coin
The ending is perfect! Katniss never wanted to raise kids in a world with the Hunger Games. Now that they are no longer a thing, she is safe to have a family.
you: Am I the only one who thinks that?
me: yes!
you: Am I wrong about this?
me: yes!
lol
Exactly. I mean the books are entirely from Katniss's POV, how is it so difficult to understand her feelings and reactions towards Peeta when we've spent most of our time in her mind understanding how she thinks and feels. I seriously don't understand how he completely misunderstands Katniss.
Exactly!
Literally came to say those exact words! 😂
Lmao literally 💀
@@blainem774I mean I agree with you, but the movies ARE NOT the books. While watching We’re not in her mind so that’s a weird argument to make a point.
A few points.
1) katniess is never out of love with peta. She is trying to dissociate and convince herself that she is not in love with him because it hurts so much to see what the capital did to him. It’s her worse fear. Remember when finick says he wish peta and Annie were both dead instead of being tortured.
2) she votes yes so coin won’t be suspicions of her. The moment coin sends peta into battle with them, she knows coin is an enemy. Her asking to host a hunger games is more proof of that and she knows she has to kill her to end the cycle.
3) Johanna and Katina’s are friends. Johanna respects her and visa versa. Johanna just doesn’t express it well bc she is so traumatized for her whole family being killed
why do you assume what Katniss says is exactly what she feels? she will say thing to keep emotional distance within herself. just to get through the moment she is in.
and i dont think you are meant to feel anything big at the end of these series or movies. that's just the 'oh i'm watching a movie for entertainment' idea. i honestly dont think that was the intention when the book was written, considering the messages in it. i dont think she really wanted to write something to give you epic highs of feelings, even at the death of coin. by the end, things just are and katniss is nearly destroyed having gone through it all. i think that is the final message. that exact feeling of going through it with her. the price of all those events.
This is it. This explains it. I didn't understand why I kept feeling like he and I read different books. It's Katniss being an unreliable narrator. You're meant to notice she doesn't understand what's going on around her. Madge was her closest friend (after Gale ofc) and she thought of her as acquaintance. Peeta literally bared his heart to her and she thought he was pretending.
I did the same thing my first time reading. I think the hunger games is a book you have to sit with more than once.
Yes, this girl is the most unreliable narrator
Katniss is my favorite unreliable narrator 😌
The end of this book is as the end of war (i say based on anything bc I haven't lived a war) there's no winners bc war makes you lose so much that no price can be worth it and the best ending is keep living in a peaceful and loving way. It's bettersweet but it's truely the best ending.
@@lesyablackbird There are no winners, only survivors
I clicked on this so fast. I am loving this review series 😭
I barely refreshed the page before you got here 😂
“It’s so odd, am I the only one that thinks this?” YEAH hahaha you read books before that are narrated by the main character right? You can’t always trust what they are saying to themselves. Katniss was lying to herself because she was afraid that Peeta was never going to go back to remembering his feelings for her. So she wanted to stop liking him so she wouldn’t suffer . It’s pretty obvious, is not a flip flop of true feelings, is a flip flop of Katniss thoughts
Somebody once brought up that President Snow is the only person who expresses his sorrows about Prim’s death through the rest of the movie and I feel like that says something about him..
I think Peeta also express that when he's planting the primrose and then he says I'm sorry about Prim.
@@HRLastrowell peeta is kind of expected to but I think they mean specifically out of the leaders. Coin never said I’m sorry about your sister, she sweeps it under the rug.
man... almost everything you say you don't get about someone's attitude or think doesn't make sense in the story it's because you completely misunderstood the point.
I've been loving these reaction videos but some things he says really frustrates me because it can't be that difficult to understand 😂😂
cut him a break. as if you understand everything when you make your videos for thousands of people. oh wait...
I've never seen someone not get Katniss and Peeta. It makes me want to have a one on one with you to tell you all about them and how they are perfect for each other
I mean it's obvious that the reason why she agreed to continue The Hunger Games is because Katniss needed Coin to believe she was on her side, or else she might've not got the chance to kill her instead of Snow.
By the way I believe that Katniss voted for another Hunger Games with the capital's children because she was already planning on killing Coin. It was never going to happen and Katniss knew that
I remember when I watched The Hunger Games for the first time as a teen, I never truly understood why Katniss chooses Peeta and how they end up getting married and having kids but when you watch it as an adult, you pick up on the amount of love and care Katniss has for Peeta throughout every single movie, even if she feels conflicted between him and Gale, it comes to a point where he is equally as important as her own family so she feels the need to protect him and that's why I actually appreciate them being together by the end of it! Love should be equivalent to feeling like you're home and at peace, and that's what they were for each other!!
I said it once and I will say it again. Gale was the worst. Out of my female perspective, he was very manipulative and toxic from the beginning on. Not only his war views were shit. He wanted katniss only after every time somebody else showed interest in her. While peeta was heartbroken but understood that katniss had no time to figure out her feelings, Gale didn’t. He forced himself on her, kissed her without her consent out of the blue. She did even say in the book that this ruined the friendship. The only reason she considered him even was because he forced her to. Her entire inner dialogue was her trying to talk herself into liking Gale so she wouldn’t loose him. It was hard to read. He was an important friend to her she wanted to rely on, like she did all the time since her dad died. He was very important for her as an ally, but he ignored her basically gave her the silent treatment for not showing interest in him and being close to peeta. He refused helping her in this horrible time because his ego couldn’t handle it. Peeta was nice to Gale while Gale hated him. Peeta watched Gale when he was badly hurt and helped him even after seeing katniss kissing Gale but Gale refused gloves that could maybe have even belonged to peeta and made an entire scene. He hated even the thought that katniss wanted peeta to escape with them. Which made it even harder for katniss to manage two people she needed so desperately. The only reason why he saved peeta was because he thought that would bring him good points with her. Even in the end when prim was dead he didn’t comfort katniss he only brought up how the thing that looked good for him in her eyes was gone now. He was vile and every time i read about him it triggered my ptsd and made it hard to breathe. Katniss always loved peeta. She just didn’t had the time to think about it in this horrible situation she was in and deeply caring for her sister she wanted a good future for
He was a selfish driven character that only ever did what was best for him or made him look good. He wanted to own katniss and have her for himself. He wanted innocents to suffer for what he endured. He never thought about anyone else or put himself in their position and tried to see their side of the story
THIS!! i think its why men dont see the problem some people have with gale. I've been in the fandom for nearing ten years now, and i can say it's largely female dominated. Some men in the fandom don't see the issue with gale pressuring katniss or expecting affection from her, as it is often (not all the time, but often) men who are the perpetrators of this irl.
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Katniss started saying all of that because the conversation helped Peeta remember his favorite color. You can feel the desperation and anguish in her words, along with a hope that it might bring more of his memories back. However, recalling Peeta's past also overwhelmed her. Yes, she is cold with Peeta after the hijacking, but like during the 74th and 75th Hunger Games, she is trying hard to suppress any feelings for him.
Before the Mockingjay movie, she was suppressing her feelings for Peeta because she was trying to hold onto her life back home. Even if she liked him, the relationship with Peeta was forced upon her by the Capitol.
After the Mockingjay, when Peeta was finally rescued, she thought he was going to kiss and hug her. But instead, he tried to kill her. She thought she had lost him forever, which is why she wanted to kill Snow. Quote from the book: “I accept deep down that he’ll never come back to me. Or I’ll never go back to him. I’ll stay in 2 until it falls, go to the Capitol and kill Snow, and then die for my trouble. And he’ll die insane and hating me.”
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Actually, no-I watched the movies first and then read the books. I didn’t hate him in the movies, but after reading the books, I felt more dislike for him. This was not because of some love triangle, but because he was consumed with revenge. While this is a natural response and I do sympathize with what he went through, but I can also see when a character has flaws and makes questionable decisions. That’s why I like his character: he was a young, traumatized teenager put in a powerful position with little experience, used by Coin, and he made some decisions he would regret forever. That’s why he couldn’t face Katniss after his sister died. It's technically not his fault, but he did play a part in making those inhumane traps to kill medics and katniss warned him about it but he was so far in the mindset of winning the war at all costs that he was okay with any collateral damage.
18:03 & 20:17
The ending is supposed to be bittersweet. Anyone would feel emotionally drained after what happened. That’s how Katniss must have felt. The ending also shows that even after unimaginable trauma and loses, she still found some hope to live on and felt safe enough to have children.
They bonded because of their shared trauma, but Katniss suppresses her feelings as I mentioned above. You can see this in how she talks about the kiss in the cave and the kiss on the beach. Only because She thought she was going to die in the 75th Hunger Games, that she let her real feelings show during those moments.
The "real or not real" conversation happened after some time had passed. They genuinely became friends, and she wouldn’t lie to him because Peeta would have been okay with just being friends but she choose him and lived the life she deserved for everyone she lost.
I don’t think you really understand these stories or their relationships and just how complicated they are but it has been a joy seeing you react to everything for the first time LMAO
6:10 A siege is what the districts did in the war that started the Hunger Games! They talk about it a lot in TBOSBAS
It’s actually crazy how much you missed every point made in this series, like no hate but idk how you managed to do that. Especially after reading the books. Would recommend looking at some analysis videos.
no hate but you sound ridiculous saying he missed every point.
Johanna and her trained together so they can qo to a mision. But Johanna had a crisis in a training test that includes water and they don´t let her go. But in that time, while training, Katniss and Johanna became friends and open with each other, in the same way it´s in district 13 where Katniss and Finnick really became friends because they where suffering for Peeta and Annie being kidnapped.
My thoughts on Katniss voting yes to another Hunger Games was that she needed Coin to announce it publicly so that the people knew what type of leader Coin was before Katniss executed her. Katniss needed the people to understand the motivation for her perceived “treason”.
AND Katniss needed Coon to trust her!! Katniss knows Coin does not trust her and needed to show Coin she could be trusted. Thus, her voting for a ceremonial hunger games.
I always thought katniss voted yes to a new hunger games because she already knew she was going to kill coin, did I get that so wrong ? 😂 I have too much faith in people
I don’t think you’re wrong. I thought the same thing
She never wanted the Games to continue. She just agreed so that she could get her chance to kill Coin. Haymitch knew what she actually wanted. That's why he agreed. But neither want the games to continue in any capacity... which is why they killed Coin. So she couldn't continue them and be another Snow.
She needed to gain coins trust so being a yes man is a pretty fast way to do that. Also she had to say for prim to show that she still believes that it was snow who killed prim, not coin. That’s why haymitch says I vote with the Mockingjay, not just a yes or a no.
3:34 Yes, she does it, but to gain Coin's trust and be able to kill her, not because she really wanted the games back, is the thing.
Dude, you have got to read books again because you clearly didnt get the whole storyline.
She doesn't hate Peeta not at all actually.
Yes she feels like she owns him from the bread, and yes she pretended to be in love with him to survive.
But some of those feelings were genuine.
When he died in the Quarter Quell, that , THAT was love. When she kissed him in the quarter quell that was love!
Even snow and his granddaugther saw it "Someday I want to love somebody that much"
"It is the things we LOVE most, that destroy us"
"In the end the only person I want to comfort me is Haymitch because he LOVES Peeta TOO"
"What I need is not Gale' fire kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring, the bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction.
The promise that life can go on no matter how bad our losses
And only Peeta can give me that"
There is plenty of evidence.
I was getting a little heated every time he brought up the fact that he doesn’t think Katniss loved Peeta. The pearl she held onto the whole time in mocking jay that he gave her on the each in catching fire, the kissing scene in catching fire where they’re startled by finnick and he realizes what’s going on, when they’re making the family book in catching fire, the fact that she cared so much about him surviving the 75th games even if it meant her death. I really want him to go back and reread the book because the storyline is both beautiful to see her fall in love with him, and heartbreaking to see her try and unlove him. This is a series, like so many others, that I can reread and fine more fine details from the author, that you miss the first time reading.
On another note, he doesn’t understand why everyone dislikes or hates gale and it makes me slightly irritated because it goes so much deeper then what he believes is the reason many don’t like him 😂
@@mockjayingyeah Gale kinda just sucked lol. He was like I get it was an act but like you still kissed him 🥺. That’s why I hated him like dude she did that as an ACT, I don’t know how much clearer she could be.
@@mockjaying I know right? It is like he totally missed all the signs in the book and movies where there is prove that she genuinely cares about Peeta. And it is so frustrating
@@joieknox6447 I am actually re-reading Catching fire right now, and I have just come across their talk in the woods.
Isn't it funny that Gale agrees to run away with Katniss in a heartbeat in the beginning, but when she mentions Haymitch and Peeta, he changed his mind?
All because she didn't day "I love you" back
And then he is mad at her for wanting to do exactly the same thing he does.
He wants to safe people from dying, but because those people includes Haymitch and especially Peeta, it's different
And yes she says that Gale is hers and she is his, but that is when he is laying on the table hurt. Because of how he reacted when she didn't say it back.
@@Clotte90 Gale is in all honestly not the worst person. He’s incredibly selfless and brave and heroic but just not to katniss. When it comes to get he gets extremely possessive and jealous and very different person.
I think the problem with Gale was the exact thing katniss says, they are the same person. Both will do anything for their families and are extremely passionate fiery people. That’s why peeta was needed, he is the calm who can see from other peoples point of view. I also think Gale is very nearsighted, he brushes the Capitol people off as awful evil people while katniss, partly due to her time in the Capitol, sees them for what they are, clueless, brainwashed and helpless. I think that’s the defining characteristic of peeta is his empathy and I think that’s what katniss needed, she needed someone with the same empathy as her and to show her you can be empathetic and happy.
the friendship between joana and katniss is literally so sweet and wholesome. i dont know if it's just because you need to reread the books to catch some of the little things (i need to do that) but you have interesting takes.
I feel like their relationship is built on mutual respect. They don't like each other but neither are shy about their feelings towards the games/capitol/Snow and I think they see that in each other and can relate. It's complicated to be sure, but I think that's what makes their dynamic interesting.
@@lazycat8057 i think they ended up liking each other after working together to get fit and healthy again, i feel like the mutual respect grew to friendship in a way.
I think what isn't maybe clear is that Katniss lashing out on Peeta is very much her in denail, distancing heraelf him and her feeling for him in order to protect herself because she's quite litteraly constantly on a cliffs edge
Don’t always agree with your opinions but I love getting to hear your perspectives. It allows me to reexamine what I think of the books, which is my favorite part of watching commentaries. So excited for your TBOSAS review - keep up the good work!
Katniss didn’t actually not care of Peeta when he was hijacked. She was trying to protect herself from pain and told herself she doesn’t care. And you should read Katnissis inner monologue around Peeta more expecially on Cathing Fire in arena if you don’t think she wasn’t already in love
Yay so excited for this final review of the trilogy. Have been a fan of this series since I was a teenager. It's great to relive it like this!
Thanks for being here!
What is sad is I remember reading an article that Suzanne Collins was considered keeping Finnick alive in part 2 because she did regret killing him off in the book. However, we see she stayed true to the book!
Agree with all the comments (that i managed to read before writing this) about Katniss and Peeta.
There’s a moment in the first book where she realizes “i guess i have been keeping up with the boy with the bread too”, already pointing to the fact Peeta held a special place. I know, i know it’s not romantic, but him staying in her radar all these years, and him being basically the worst option as a fellow tribute… add that to the fact she firmly believes she WONT marry and have kids. Liking someone romantically is just not in the cards for that teen. She never even speaks of Gale as an option. Only considers it when he brings it up.
In the books i always got the sensd that her feelings for peeta were murky, whereas for Gale are clearly: this is my ride or die partner. Murky feelings in teens usually means there’s something more brewing that are confusing and painful to think about.
i think a lot of the confusion with katniss's affections for peeta and that whole romantic storyline, is that in the books shes a crazy unreliable narrator and just doesn't trust anyone and shes also 17 and trying to shut off her emotions to deal with the devastating things happening to them all. i feel like when you look at it and try and read between the lines a bit it shows how much she constantly thinks and cares about peeta
Ok fam, we got here. Let's enjoy this before Balad, and next year Haymitch's book
I hope you’re using the word “enjoy” really loosely (I’m sad)
I still think it's gonna be Tigris perspective.
@@jennahunt6861 the way I NEED a Tigris book though. 😭
@RedLovelyRed I think it makes sense. We've already been told about Haymitchs games. They watch them in Catching Fire, we know what happens to haymitch after and the repercussions of his "rebelious" actions and who he becomes.
But someone like Tigris who supported Snow and then didn't. Katniss saw her in her earliest remembered games. So she was around but what if Haymitchs year was the year she started seeing, started being disillusioned. I can't see what Haymitchs perspective could add and I can't imagine her having it written in the perspective of another tribute we know will not survive. Tigris would be unique because what she remembers is kids being thrown into zoo pens and horse stables. But her cousin has now made the Victor a true victor. Has made the survivor famous.given them all a taste of luxury. What a mind break that would be.
“This is not enough to heal the sadness within m- Ooh, dancing!” ✨
Oh my did you really mention Katniss saying yes to Hunger games with the capitol kids? She only said yes to be able to be close to Coin to kill her! Of course she did not want it. Even Haymitch agreeing with her was all part of a bigger plan.
‘This is when we figure out just how alike we are” and then haymitch goes “I’m with the mocking jay” after she gave him a glance. Or something like that.
I’m convinced he skimmed the books and didn’t actually take in the books because there’s so many minute details you would miss if you just skimmed and tried to finish the books really fast. I would highly recommend the audio book for him to listen to, because he completely missed so many story lines that were woven into the book.
@@mockjaying 10000% agree
At the end this is a story about war, and teens with PTSD thrown in the middle. It's not about romance, it's about fighting for your life and the life of your loved ones, and finding your safe space in the end. Miss Suzanne really popped off with these (and continues to do so!)
Katniss only votes yes to get Coin to trust her. That is genuinely the only reason. If Coin trusts her then Katniss could get an opportunity to kill Coin.
Also Katniss rarely says what she feels. When she says she hates peeta or when she’s being rude to him it’s to distance herself emotionally. She has loved him since Catching Fire. That doesn’t change when he’s highjacked. Pushing him away is her way of attempting to save herself from completely breaking. She’s in so much pain and she’s trying to cope. But sometimes she lets her walls slip and thats when she says something sweet that shows her love for him. She’s trying to build her walls high but its hard.
Katniss didn’t actually want Capitol children in the arena, wasn’t this mentioned in comments of the book already? She decided she would kill Coin after hearing that proposal. Her vote of yes was so Coin would not suspect her, and Haymitch also didn’t want the games but had faith in Katniss having a plan
i think you missed a lot of points lol, katniss does not hate peeta. i think she had him at arms length to protect herself and she knows she has to focus on the war. they don’t “randomly” get married, they slowly become friends again and then he’s get married. she loved him long before then that’s very obvious. also, she voted yes to a new hunger games so she would have an opportunity to kill coin.
I CANT BELIEVE YOU PUT THE ENTIRE SCENE OF THAT INSIDIOUS TUNNEL. damn man, the reason I have Never watched mocking jay p2 is because it is too gruesome, my baby dies in there. man I love you and your reviews and I love that you are in this with the fandom, but the whole entire scene to reawaken my trauma and my delusion that he is still alive.😮💨
BTW they filmed Part 1 and Part 2 back-to-back and Philip Seymour Hoffman already filmed most of it before he died so no CGI weirdness
The end before Katniss kills Coin is a CGI. They added that from a scene he did because they had a few moments of him on film that they didn't used or something but when he says you can tell is the moment you can tell he was added in to the scene.
@@janeandle Yes, but that's common practice. I just meant they didn't do any uncanny valley deep fakes like they did with Paul Walker and Carrie Fisher.
@@nikkikolmanic4027 oh okay.
Katniss only votes 'yes' to make coin think she is onside, and haymitch is waiting to follow katniss' lead, and knows theres noway she would genuinely agree to that, and realises she must have something planned, so agrees with her. They needed coin to trust them.
She also never stops feeling for peeta, she loved him in the 2nd book but never realised until he was taken. She shuts down emotionally because she is 17, and hideously mentally and emotionally traumatised by her life in 12, losing her dad, her mother shutting down, hunting to survive, and being in the games twice! She is in a war! She cant be lovey dovey because it will break her. She cuts off her emotions, goes cold, shuts down and focuses on her task to cope emotionally, always has. She loves peeta and is riddled with grief and guilt with what happened to him and how he reacted to her. She isnt flip flopping, she has moments of being 'strong' and holding back, pushing it all away; moments of being 'weak' where she lets those feelings and her love and need for him take over. But she always cares about him, she just cant stand whats happened to him...
I’m not done with the video yet, but I think the flip flopping is exaggerated (because we can’t get inside her head in a film), but I don’t think it’s inaccurate. She’s having a hard time separating the Peeta she fell in love with and the mutt that was returned to her, but he’s only a mutt because he was tortured, and he did so because he’s all the things she’s in love with him for, and how much heartbreak can she put herself through to bring him back even though he doesn’t seem to be getting better and wouldn’t it be easier to put him out of his misery cause it’s not him even though it’s the same voice and the same face of the man she loves. I don’t think we see the thought process on Jen’s face as much as would be helpful, but Katniss is making choices (I assume) based on the above… and she’s still super young so I’m not surprised she can’t stick with her choice at any given moment.
Been loving these videos!
What I find so interesting as someone who has read the books too (before watching the movies) is how people interpret such different things. While reading the books, from like half book 2 it was clear to me she loved Peeta and it never seemed as if Gale was ever an option or that a love triangle existed at all. That angle was much more played in the movies. I liked Gale but he's not THAT present of a character so I never loved him like I did some other characters.
On the other hand, he has some strong like for Gale and did not read Katniss has loving Peeta at all.
Perspectives man, so interesting 😅
For me, it makes sense for her to end up with Peeta in the end because throughout the books, she always thought about how she would never have children because of the Hunger Games. In a scenario where the games had continued, it would have made more sense for her to stay with Gale-they would continue hunting and fighting to survive. But in this scenario at the end, with the end of the Hunger Games, Katniss can finally consider this other option that she never allowed herself to think about. In this new scenario, I think Peeta fits better because Gale kind of represents Katniss's life during the time of the games
Maybe I'm a romantic but I think Katniss always loved Peeta, she didn't even know it herself for a long time, but us, as readers/spectators knew it. We knew it when they kissed on the beach during Quarter Quell, that was clear.
the pillow over the head, so relatable 🤣
your media literacy needs work
as does your constructive criticism.
absolutely. completely unbearable watch from start to end
My dear sweet child… the anxiety train isn’t over yet
She said yes to another hunger games, to get coin to trust her. So she could kill her for killing Prim.
I really think we should remember that they are 1. Teenagers 2. Traumatised teenagers 3. In a war .
Adults in real life can't even understand their emotions, accept them and then tell them to others. Katniss is doing her best! And Peeta too
I love that you are doing this. I love hearing others thoughts because all I have is love for this series and you are so funny. Thanks for making me smile!
Paused to say - that kid is the kid from the book. Their performance was so horrifying that it would have made the movie R rated, so they decided to cut it. Just an FYI.
I read the books within one or two days while being sick and staying at home. I did nothing else but read the whole day, I might have had a slight fever, and the whole expierience honestly felt like a fever dream afterwards. I watched the first three movies but had no inclination to ever watch this last one. I think the story is amazingly written, the ending is genius, I don't think I'll ever read it again.
they added Haymitch and Effie's kiss because fans when watching the movies loved their chemistry so Woody and Elizabeth actually asked the writers of the screenplay to add it, despite it not being canon. I loved the addition
18:24 This scene affects me so much that before Katniss even breaksdown I'm already starting to cry the way Jennifer so perfectly potrays the devastation and agony Katniss goes through at the realisation that Prim the whole reason she was fighting to begin with was gone nd that although the games were over and the districts were free from Snow she still lost the most important person to her everything she personally went through to keep Prim safe didn't mean shit because she still dies.
Ballad gave me so much more anxiety and misery. Have fun! 💔
This comment section has nailed it. Her feelings weren’t flip flopping but her self preservation was making her act a certain way to keep herself sane. It was complex and kind of an insult to peg her as a shallow teen who just can’t pick between two cute guys.
You just don't get women and the things they would put/ do to themselves to avoid pain
Katniss was trying to cope by gaslighting herself into thinking she didn't care for Peeta anymore
As a Scot, we know our Scottish country dances as they teach us as part of physical education when we are children.
I never knew I could laugh so hard watching something related to the hunger games
This has become one of my favorite youtube series to watch. I love the book-adaptation comparisons and love your knowledge. Can't wait for TBOSBAS and everything that comes after!
On the Katniss' and peeta front- I feel like she never hates him, she never "doesn't have feelings for him" shes 17 and in a war, and the person she thought unconditionally loved her became hellbent on killing her. Her way of dealing with that is distance and compartmentalization, it's why she runs away to D2. It's why we keep seeing these moments of vulnerability then her running away. Plus I think she does lash out at the Capitol by joining the D13 military and going on her one woman assassination mission. I
Chiming in on the scene of Gale's capture. In the movie she has no excuse. In the book she freezes in the chaos and can't understand what he's saying and when she realizes it's too late. Hard to get that across visually, though
Suzanne Collins has said she's been very careful with what she includes in the hunger games world, whether in the original trilogy or the prequels she ended up writing. She's interested in political theory, so in an interview explained the main trilogy was her exploring the concept of a rebellion that must be studied from a prior stage than the uprising itself. And she said that the Snow prequel was her exploring the concept of "state of nature". This makes me more pumped to see what she wants to write about in the Haymitch prequel.
Watching your reviews encouraged me to re-read the books and re-watch the films, and I’m so glad I did. It was nice to be reminded how genuinely excellent they both were!
I disagree with your overall thoughts about Gale, though. He’s not irredeemable or a bad person because of the bomb-or even because of his increasing militarism-but he’s definitely the wrong romantic choice for Katniss. In both the books and the films, he’s incapable of seeing beyond his own emotions. She sets boundaries and makes it clear that she’s not in a headspace to accept anyone’s advances because she’s focused on her own survival. Nevertheless, he toes the line with snippy, passive-aggressive asides, trying to shame her into confessing or picking him (usually in inappropriate and high-stress situations). The fact that he feels so entitled to Katniss’s attention sucks. Peeta is hurt by her rejection in the beginning, but he recognizes his wounded feelings for what they are and apologizes for burdening her when he understands how much pressure she’s under. He doesn’t hide his love, but he does his best to meet her where she is without expectations. And he doesn’t use that love to make her feel guilty when she fails to reciprocate.
The foxhole friend is not the one you want as a long-term romantic partner. Foxhole friends are reactive, constantly looking for threats. Katniss felt less constrained by the Capitol’s rules when she and Gale hunted together, sure, but that’s not the same as feeling safe. You need someone who’s willing to be vulnerable so that you can feel secure enough to be vulnerable too. Gale was never that for Katniss, but Peeta was.
Even long before this point though, Gale demonstrated his lack of compassion for the enemy and drove a wedge between him and Katniss because he didn't understand War. Katniss felt like she had returned home from a war twice and retained her compassion: seeing the other tributes as victims and also the enemy soldiers in 2 as victims. And Gale couldn't understand that. In fact he refused to when Katniss confronted him about it in 2 and about the new weapons he and Beetee were making. She knew that by this point their perspectives were driving them apart and she didn't want or need to be friends with someone who only thought of himself.
Katniss 1000% never wanted a symbolic games. Remember how much she was affected by: Rues death, Thresh, she even has guilt over the boy who killed Rue, and for Cato. Her reaction to the little girl telling her “one day im going to volunteer just like you.”
Book 1, Katniss knows who the real enemy is, the Capitol and Snow. Book 2, she is mistrusting everyone but remembers who the real enemy is in the end. Book 3, the ‘enemy’ takes on a life beyond just Snow but rather the whole concept of a system of power in the wrong hands. She NEVER ever viewed killing kids or any civilians as a form of justice, actively went against it. She’s against the plan at the Nut. She clearly states they gain nothing except playing as Snow’s pawns by killing each other before she gets shot in D2.
She knows the symbolic games were Coins idea. She also knew, thanks to Boggs, that Coin saw her as a threat. So, Katniss voted no, pretending she doesn’t see right through her.
Haymitch doesn’t agree either. In the book it’s explained that Katniss and Haymitch share a look of mutual understanding and trust, and he says “I’m with the Mockingjay.”
And as her final mission, she plans to kill Coin, then take the night lock.
I’m sure you have heard this a lot but the “love triangle” isn’t truly about who Katniss loves more, it’s about who Katniss wants to be. Does she want to be someone who is angry, vengeful, doesn’t care about human lives bc they are against her. Or does she want to be the person who raises up to be helpful, be hopeful, protect innocent lives. That’s the point of the love triangle, Collins uses Peeta and Gale as devices to show the outcomes of war. That’s why in the first book you don’t see Katniss being in love with Peeta, she is vengeful against the Capitol. In the 2nd she finds peace with friends in the arena showing her that there is hope thus developing feelings for Peeta. And in the last book it’s her choice, will she let war take over her or will she be hopeful for the future
The emotional support pillow is so real.
Dude absolutely 💯 loving your content on reading and watching this series! If you'll excuse me I have to now rewatch them. 😂
I love the hiding under the pillow like it’s going to save you. Bless
i lowkey love watching this series having read and watched all the books and movies. especially when he says things like "that won't happen...will it?"
I will say, the first time I read the books I felt the same way. I was so mad she ended up with either of them. After re-reading it a few times over the last 10 or so years, my opinion has changed a little. I think she does need Peeta in her life, but not sure to what capacity. I still hate Gale though. He's not shy about seeing others as inhuman - from the first book (you can hunt. animals. it's no different) to the last where he breaks down the psychology of prey to create his snares. Also, about Katniss flip-flopping. She's been through a lot and the capitol and this war has taken every single emotion she's had and used it against her (she says as much in Mockingjay when Peeta and Gale have their chat). She's confused and doesn't have the capacity to figure it out in the story, which is understandable. She's also 17. What 17 year old knows what they want without being the catalyst that collapses society around them?
Anyway, I love these videos and your reactions. Congrats for making it this far despite how haunting, tragic and depressing the whole thing is 😅 Get yourself a little treat and a happy tale as a reward!
Also, they film in Berlin, might be why it feels like WW2.
“It’s not happy enough to fill the sadness within me… OH, dancing 😄” 5:22 that describes my personality well
It was so so so hard to get trough this reaction qwq I really hope youll read some of those many awesome comments
This is one of the only series that has genuinely left me feeling so freaking numb
It’s the pillow shield during the underground scene for me man. I feel that 😅
U know what’s so crazy is before reading Songbirds for the first time I also was like “well at least there’s no WAY it could be more anxiety inducing or dehumanizing than the first trilogy” and then it ended up taking me a month to read due to needing to take breaks and protect my peace
“No, just stay home Finnick.” 😭😭😭
There was such a unique experience of reading this as a child and experiencing the conversation throughout adulthood. Katniss as an unreliable narrator wasn’t something i understood until I was like a full blown adult. Also to put it into perspective, culturally hunger games was supposed to be a jarring response to twilight “Jacob v Edward” where female characters were given the depth young girls craved. So yeah her “choosing” someone at the end wasn’t logical but it was expected in that time period of YA fiction to pick a side. I remember every tumblr blog arguing over hunger games being sophisticated and not needing a romance plot but in the end it still wrapped up with a romantic partner which tbh frustrated me too but there was also the conversation that there is no ending that could have been comforting given what she had gone through.
At issue here is that he has a few fundamental misunderstandings. And maybe it’s from not fully getting that Katniss is an unreliable narrator (or maybe not seeing how that impacts how the story is told). You can’t take what she says or her narration of the story at face value. For example, thinking she is flip flopping on her feelings. No, she just shuts down the feelings she’s having because she can’t cope with the pain of losing Peeta (as he was). It’s easier to convince herself he’s not Peeta anymore and be detached from her previous feelings.
Also, not realizing that she did have feelings for him way earlier than she realizes. She actually had strong feelings of love by the end of the first book. Because she’s an unreliable narrator, we as readers can’t fully accept what she tells us, we have to understand what she shows us. As an example, in the second book she describes watching Peeta draw and being fascinated by his eyelashes. She’s just sitting in his company, staring at him, watching him do something mundane because it’s pleasant and comfortable and intriguing for her to do so. She loves with him by that point. But she can’t tell us that because she doesn’t understand it. So Collins shows us through describing what Katniss is doing.
I think a reread of the books with focus on what Collins shows us despite what Katniss tells us would alter his conclusions A LOT.
As someone who loves katniss and peeta im shocked at so many people saying "you don't understand katniss" when you have also read the books, your interpretation is just as valid. I don't agree katniss chose peeta because he was her last option, I believe katniss was in love with peeta but I fully understand why you don't want them to get together. You explained why they shouldn't have been together (or at least so soon) and you're probably right they did use each other as emotional crutches and the experiences they went through at such a young age doesnt mean that being married to each other for the next 40-50 years is going to work out. It is a story and a love story so it is all very fitting in the end for them to come together but you made a lot of realistic points, and people are trying to explain to you what you already know. I also feel like most of people's hatred towards gale stems for their love for peeta which is completely biased
I came across your videos by chance on Instagram. loved it & hoping to see more!
SAME
I can’t wait for the ballad of songbirds and snakes it’s my favorite book
I waited two days to watch this video, to mentally prepare myself to watch this with you, because i have taken a LONG break of hunger games because its messed with my brain so much.
I don’t think dude is ready for a ballad of songbirds and snakes
Katniss is being harsh because she can't bear caring for Peeta while he's brain washed, it's too painful. But at the end, she learns that her heart is now safe and she can allow herself to love him.
watching your videos about these books/movies was so fantastic. 100/10
“Closest I’ll ever get to feeling something again”
Too true 😅
20/10 loved this review series👏👏👏
“Nevermind” after that excitement about the black contrast in the city was hilarious