There’s an old WW2 training or public information style film here on TH-cam (might’ve been for the British home guard) It was talking about improvised equipment/weapons and mentioned how a section of rubber hosepipe filled with sand can make an effective cosh.
@@ObjectHistory Found the video, it’s called: Home Guard Fighting Series - Weapons and Equipment (1943) Uploaded by: The Home Guard Cosh is shown at 12:03 Enjoy :)
I've had an idea for a custom frontier style sap loaded with a combination of #12 lead shot (the smallest shot available) and fine grain dusting sand to fill in the void between shot pellets. I think this would give the sap maximum weight and impact. What do you think?
In the really old catalogues there was often a police slungshot that was filled with metal pellets and sand. I've never seen a modern take on that. Would love to hear about it if you do try your idea.
@@KnightlyNerd I've always guessed lead powder. That metal is the historical go to in part because it's so dense. Hard to beat its mass/size ratio and then the powder would seem to fill in as much of the available space as possible (?).
Great video and channel, I have just subbed you, thanks for the message too. i have never seen or heard of this idea before but i love it, they had some really cool sap ideas in the old days. i might have to make one of these. Mike.
Object History I was reading gangs of new York (a book about 19th century gangs in new York written in the 1920s) and they kept on mentioning slungshot and slungmen and I assume it was a thrown instrument but now I know better oh wouldn't a game set in that period with gangs packing revolver knives and saps be awesome
Heck yes it would. And I hated how that movie (being based on the book) had all these goofy fantasy street weapons but no saps. The ones in my collection closest to what they likely carried are the Colonial-Frontier and my two slungshots. There was an underworld supply store in the Five Points in those days that sold their own 'brand' of sap and it matches the colonial closely in construction (minus the hook). Meanwhile the ones carrying more of a true slungshot would have had something like a hybrid of my leather and rope versions. That book is a great resource but we can't put too much stock into HA's use of the term slung-shot as back then that could mean a jack, a true slung-shot or anything in between.
Older police officers from the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s, would put there leather sap inside of there leather glove. People would never know what was inside the glove unless they were non-compliant and a cop had to use force. Some of the older cops have police pants that had the have the old patrol pants that has special pocket for there leather sap that was on the side of the thigh. Phillly cops would call this a blackjack. We now carry the ASP-collapsible metal baton. Not a fan of this, I prefer my old cocobolo nightstick.
The part of about slipping the sap or jack into a glove is new to me! Thank you. Funny enough I was talking to a LEO just yesterday about sap gloves (the ones with the lead sewn into the knuckles. Thanks for the note- I've added it to my spreadsheet. One day I'll do a second edition of my book where I add in tidbits like that.
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There’s an old WW2 training or public information style film here on TH-cam (might’ve been for the British home guard)
It was talking about improvised equipment/weapons and mentioned how a section of rubber hosepipe filled with sand can make an effective cosh.
Nice. I’d love to see it. Sand clubs are my choice for oldest saps in the world.
@@ObjectHistory Found the video, it’s called: Home Guard Fighting Series - Weapons and Equipment (1943)
Uploaded by: The Home Guard
Cosh is shown at 12:03
Enjoy :)
@@thebonecone That was great, even had the mock sapping from behind. Thanks.
(Grabs work gloves and steel bb's)
I've had an idea for a custom frontier style sap loaded with a combination of #12 lead shot (the smallest shot available) and fine grain dusting sand to fill in the void between shot pellets. I think this would give the sap maximum weight and impact. What do you think?
In the really old catalogues there was often a police slungshot that was filled with metal pellets and sand. I've never seen a modern take on that. Would love to hear about it if you do try your idea.
@@ObjectHistory What do you think is the heaviest soft load for the smallest space? large lead shot, lead powder, sand?
@@KnightlyNerd I've always guessed lead powder. That metal is the historical go to in part because it's so dense. Hard to beat its mass/size ratio and then the powder would seem to fill in as much of the available space as possible (?).
Great video and channel, I have just subbed you, thanks for the message too. i have never seen or heard of this idea before but i love it, they had some really cool sap ideas in the old days. i might have to make one of these.
Mike.
WeaponCollector Wow. Thanks!
you have a great channel, i watched about 6 of your video in a row last night, will probably watch the rest today, lol
That is really cool to hear, seriously.
Object History I was reading gangs of new York (a book about 19th century gangs in new York written in the 1920s) and they kept on mentioning slungshot and slungmen and I assume it was a thrown instrument but now I know better oh wouldn't a game set in that period with gangs packing revolver knives and saps be awesome
Heck yes it would. And I hated how that movie (being based on the book) had all these goofy fantasy street weapons but no saps. The ones in my collection closest to what they likely carried are the Colonial-Frontier and my two slungshots. There was an underworld supply store in the Five Points in those days that sold their own 'brand' of sap and it matches the colonial closely in construction (minus the hook). Meanwhile the ones carrying more of a true slungshot would have had something like a hybrid of my leather and rope versions. That book is a great resource but we can't put too much stock into HA's use of the term slung-shot as back then that could mean a jack, a true slung-shot or anything in between.
I've got a new one of these that does not leak sand every where if your interested
Older police officers from the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s, would put there leather sap inside of there leather glove. People would never know what was inside the glove unless they were non-compliant and a cop had to use force. Some of the older cops have police pants that had the have the old patrol pants that has special pocket for there leather sap that was on the side of the thigh. Phillly cops would call this a blackjack.
We now carry the ASP-collapsible metal baton. Not a fan of this, I prefer my old cocobolo nightstick.
The part of about slipping the sap or jack into a glove is new to me! Thank you. Funny enough I was talking to a LEO just yesterday about sap gloves (the ones with the lead sewn into the knuckles. Thanks for the note- I've added it to my spreadsheet. One day I'll do a second edition of my book where I add in tidbits like that.
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