Retro Vs Modern - The Cross Country Mountain Bike Race

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  • A 90s Klein hardtail vs the latest Canyon Grand Canyon XC bike - what's the difference out on the trail?
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  • @lsmeteor4652
    @lsmeteor4652 8 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Unfair comparison in bike specs but at the end of the day, if you want to have fun, it doesn't matter what bike you ride.

    • @fr0xk
      @fr0xk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It does. You pay 8x more for a bike that arrives 20 sec faster

    • @Smegma_pirate
      @Smegma_pirate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It doesn’t matter, they all make us smile.. it’s fun to nail a flow trail on a 90s bike… it’s all about being at the edge of control and out of control..

    • @fr0xk
      @fr0xk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Smegma_pirate Exactly

  • @djadjache300
    @djadjache300 8 ปีที่แล้ว +253

    To make this experiment clear they have to change bikes and do it again. Too much personal factors. Last weekend there was an amateur cross country race in our city, and one more skilled sportsman on an aluminum oldschool 26" bianchi came first with an advantage of the whole lap, and left all that carbon 29"ers behind.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      +Djadja Che I cant argue with that, but this isn't a scientific test. Just a bit of fun. Neil

    • @djadjache300
      @djadjache300 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      +Global Mountain Bike Network , thanks for your answer. Much more fun, I guess, would be a victory of an oldie in this video. As it is, it looks for me personnaly, rather like an awkward marketing. But, nevertheless, thank You for the video and the job, You are doing. ;-)

    • @EVMYT
      @EVMYT 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      maybe it should be more scientific. MTB is going the wrong direction because you have allowed the japanese to take over with new gadget after gadget that has brought very little to the sport of biking. Overpriced crap these days. Id rather have any good bike from the late 90s over this. Still have XT thumb shifters on my Giant MCM2 and i still leave modern bikes behind on the trails

    • @bicyclist2
      @bicyclist2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm so glad to hear that. Good to see that 26" wheels is still kicking ass and taking names.

    • @Photoshopuzr
      @Photoshopuzr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nayone with experience knows its not the bike it's the rider, but all the new techy bikes may help a bit with speed it still boils down to the rider same thing with cameras, just because someone has a expensive camera they think they are a photographer.

  • @jojoaspi7398
    @jojoaspi7398 8 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Neil,
    Gotta admit, quite impressed with how fast and how much you throw that bike around. Considering that thing is almost 20 years old!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Jojo Aspi Cheers.

    • @eclipsegaming5998
      @eclipsegaming5998 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neil on that old Keil

    • @Theanimalsquad1
      @Theanimalsquad1 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      The bike was made in 1997 so it's not even 10 years old let alone 20

    • @jojoaspi7398
      @jojoaspi7398 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +tomahawk224
      2016 - 1997 = 19
      And I did say "almost 20 yrs old".

    • @seanesslemont6332
      @seanesslemont6332 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +tomahawk224 you are such dumb shit, 1997 to 2016 is not 9 yrs

  • @mikieson
    @mikieson 8 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    honestly..the old bike can be bought for probably 50$ and the carbon newer bike is probably 5k$..It was actually handling quite well..Throw some wider bars on that old bike..some better tires and it would be a lot better..Sometimes things might progress over the years but not enough to warrant the price difference..

    • @saucyjack8548
      @saucyjack8548 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      +mikieson - I agree. A big bag of gold can get you a ride that makes you slightly faster... or work on honing your skills on an old bike and save a lot of money and still be a comparable rider.
      Or in most cases, still a better rider.

    • @SubieSage
      @SubieSage 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      +mikieson Ha...$50? You should see the prices the local 40 year olds put on their from-the-basement mountain bikes with dead forks.

    • @ThisGuyRides
      @ThisGuyRides 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +CannedPakes Yup, especially old Cannondales.

    • @SamoraksTechnicVehiclesYtube
      @SamoraksTechnicVehiclesYtube 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +mikieson Pretty sure the canyon is closer to $8k... yikes

    • @fightfan1369
      @fightfan1369 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      +mikieson They honestly don't handle anywhere near the same, The fact that it even looks like it handles good is a testament to how good of a rider Neil is.

  • @Burtie1304
    @Burtie1304 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    After 20 years of innovation you would expect there to be significant improvements in bike design and the comparison is very interesting. I really enjoyed the retro vs new vids that you have made. But the most important point that hasn't been recognised is that no matter what bike or kit you have, just get out there and have fun! Not everyone can afford the newest, best options, I have a colleague who is twice my age and rides a bike that I'm sure should be in a museum but he loves it and could without a doubt whip a few butts.

    • @ScreamerpipeL337
      @ScreamerpipeL337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. Fun is still being had here. You can worry about faster times or modern day diablo trails whenever you save up for the modern. I guarantee you that in one season's practice on my retro that I'll lap my friends who blindly bought a show room modern bike and thought the bike was going to do all the work. Lol

  • @PPC4
    @PPC4 8 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    I dunno there's something about the old bike that i find far more appealing.

    • @EstevanMurai
      @EstevanMurai 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      +PPC4 ehhh...the price. Just kidding.

    • @stephenhill6003
      @stephenhill6003 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      +It's like comparing a 1970 MG Midget to a New Miata. Sure, the Mazda is faster and more comfortable, but there's still a thrill in going retro an finessing the bike down the trail.

    • @luckyduckymtb9218
      @luckyduckymtb9218 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NO

    • @bigfootandbananaman4746
      @bigfootandbananaman4746 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      PPC4 I really like old hardtail a lot more as well

    • @MikeD-hn9hf
      @MikeD-hn9hf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah, nah.

  • @ch33zer
    @ch33zer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    The only thing this video taught me is that no matter how much I spend on fancy new bikes I'll still suck compared to these guys.

  • @rigorhead01
    @rigorhead01 8 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    What!? You didn't swap bikes and race again. C'mon Neil!

    • @RealZeratul
      @RealZeratul 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Hollis Prince This! Back to the trail, guys! :D

  • @milesjcarter
    @milesjcarter 8 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Would have been nice if the retro bike wasn't at a disadvantage on quality - Couldn't GMBN have found a top of the range bike with Judy SLs and XTR rather than a bike with mid-range Indy forks and LX? That must have been one of the cheapest bikes that Klein sold at the time.
    For a fair comparison to that Klein the modern bike should have been something mid-range too, e.g. forks like Recon Golds and SLX rather than a bike straight from the UCI world cup podium.

    • @MrSpamaholic
      @MrSpamaholic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Miles Carter Yea, or would have been more representative to use a '90s race-winner: giant cadex frame, pace forks, Cook Bros cranks, hope TiGlide wheels, Hope C2 brakes etc.
      Off-the-shelf klein with ganked Rockshox? That wasn't winning races back in the '90s.

    • @Dilberto88
      @Dilberto88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agree, they should have used Klein Adroit Race XTR up against the Canyon.

    • @petrosspetrosgali
      @petrosspetrosgali 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think the video was set up to appear as the guy with the new bike actually finished that much faster.

  • @cup_and_cone
    @cup_and_cone 8 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    The thing I miss most about "the good ole days" is that you had to actually know how to ride, so it was quite easy to see who the better riders were on technical stuff (bigger separation). It takes some serious skill to manhandle a 26" hardtail with 60mm front travel, v-brakes, and overinflated hard compound 1.9" tires down a tough descent when you cannot roll everything. With these modern trail bikes, people just rollover everything and the bike saves them from getting in trouble.

    • @jordankeeler7297
      @jordankeeler7297 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +thechosendude Yea, I personally like a nice steel hardtail 26er w/ discs and an aggressive geo. it's more fun to ride but maintains the technical aspects of the older bikes

    • @elliotharpour8061
      @elliotharpour8061 8 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Yeah the good old days when you could ride an absolute bone shaker and not be able to feel your hands and legs after 5 mintues....

    • @jonowee
      @jonowee 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +thechosendude Luckily it's dry so of the year where I live, but disc brakes I feel are a very welcomed safety addition to off road biking. There's only so much Koolstop salmons could do on clogged rims. On a different angle, I think wider (tubeless) tyres so that the thread and compound can do its job, are good safety improvement to any bike it'll fit in.

    • @SubieSage
      @SubieSage 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +thechosendude I first started getting into mountain biking a couple years ago...on a rigid 80's mtb...unknowingly on one of the most technical trails in my state. I'm happy I did it that way too because like you said, it definitely helps build skill.

    • @jordankeeler7297
      @jordankeeler7297 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      similar case for me, my dad's 25 year old rigid trek mountain track 830, my friends on FS's decided to bring me to some gnarly trails. it was fun although i crashed a couple times

  • @bedsidecabinet1
    @bedsidecabinet1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    Swop the bikes and race again.

    • @fentonjames
      @fentonjames 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i agree. one's on a strange bike and one is on his normal bike.

    • @reginagomez3528
      @reginagomez3528 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bedside Cabinet i was about to say that

    • @statom985
      @statom985 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hes not using hes gears correctly if he stays behind, its clearly visible he isnt using the easiest one.
      I think i could kick that canyons ass on my very similar old bike going up. No chance going down to be truly honest.

    • @sethburns1971
      @sethburns1971 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sta Tom agreed. I have an ancient mtb thats easily lighter than that canyon and is 1 x 7 speed. I could kick that canyons ass..

  • @CESARMTB
    @CESARMTB 8 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    26er rules!

    • @vickywilliams4976
      @vickywilliams4976 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      29ers Drools!

    • @t_rafter15
      @t_rafter15 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      650 schools (26&29)

    • @edmerkel
      @edmerkel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      and 96er. Interesting!

    • @CESARMTB
      @CESARMTB 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      mine is a 26er full suspension with disc brakes.
      perfect for my 5'8" height!
      2.2 Trail King front and a inverted WTB Weirwolf on rear with a great Traction.
      26" wheels are fast, light andstrong!!

    • @edmerkel
      @edmerkel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A 29er climbing like a beast? You need to upload a video because some friends has 29er and 26 and they can beat us on 26. Almost impossible to build a 29er below to 20lbs. I have seen they roll fast on downhill meanwhile We don't find a sharp curve. And no to mention the center of gravity on 29er is higher so it is not do stable when doing pretty hard technical downhills on fire tracks. I have seen it depends where you live and what you really want to do. I love technical tracks and long climbing. Switzerland is a nice place to do this, and I own a road bike too. Just for training but I hate paved roads 😀

  • @JohnMFlores
    @JohnMFlores 8 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    This video sponsored by Canyon...

    • @coen8323
      @coen8323 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No shit do you think a normal person can afford a 4k bike?

    • @AnDre-yu4po
      @AnDre-yu4po 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why not? lol.

  • @Leest0n
    @Leest0n 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Still riding a 99 Marin rock springs and love it! All original apart from handle bar and grips! Ok so about to swap rear shock for a lockout but this bike will be with me until the welds go!

  • @EVMYT
    @EVMYT 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    this race is more cheap vs expensive. The retro bike was a low cost LX equipped bike. There was high end carbon and titanium bikes too.

    • @drongojonkins8945
      @drongojonkins8945 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, I was thinking that too.
      Incidentally, My bike is not unsimillar to the retro in the vid - probably around 2000 model "raceline" nicely built 7000 series frame, similar geometry, old 40 or 50mm Rockshox, 24 spd, nice enough componentry. Narrow and low straight bars. Got it 2nd hand for a song.
      Ive chucked on some taiwanese 100mm remote lockout forks, taller stem, wide riser bars good tyres and nice pedals - basically corrected the geometry and modernised it for $300 - its easily as good as anything new for under $1500 IMO. I like it anyway.

    • @AuralVirus
      @AuralVirus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      yeah this was a bit click bait.
      in 20 years the only "development" is electronic shifters and the pretend upgrade (fashion) to REMOVE the front deralier (which is akin to selling dentures to a baby or ice to Eskimos or whatever analogy means changing something for the sake of it to sell you more shit). although coming strongly from a bmx background I do prefer it it still is more a fashion trend than anything, you can bet some excuse will be invented to add them back in years to come.

    • @smattgoss
      @smattgoss 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mark Perrin both bikes are hi end in there era

    • @bicyclist2
      @bicyclist2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was very much a apples to oranges comparison.

    • @wolfyk95
      @wolfyk95 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That Klein was high end back then. Probably 1500-2000 pounds.

  • @JayMS916
    @JayMS916 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still ride a '97 Ventana Marble Peak FS that I put together with quality parts. Not only is it beautiful not look at, it's fun to ride. I love it.

  • @williamkeys5701
    @williamkeys5701 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can remember lusting after a Klien back in the day. This video put a genuine smile on my face.

    • @philippelauwers
      @philippelauwers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep. And then finally getting one ... man did I have fun on that bike.

  • @Slidewinder
    @Slidewinder 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stop the video at 1:51 and look at Neil's face, that's the pure joy of cycling. I have so much trouble explaining to my non rider friends that feeling of bliss I get from cycling, but there it is caught on camera!

  • @boerharms2209
    @boerharms2209 8 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    i really enjoyed this one; nice to finally get some hardtail action :D

  • @Flavio_Ceratti
    @Flavio_Ceratti 8 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    ...and what about a modern cheap bike vs. modern expensive bike race?

    • @Fred_the_1996
      @Fred_the_1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or even better: a cheap modern bike vs a premium vintage bike

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Fred_the_1996 the Klein in this Video is a premium Vintage bike.
      You should look up what these go for on eBay..

    • @Fred_the_1996
      @Fred_the_1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rolux4853 oh

  • @thesheepman220
    @thesheepman220 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I used to love klein bikes fantastic colours schemes and over sized aluminium tubes , and their road bikes were super lite ,wish they were still making them

    • @charleslicha2770
      @charleslicha2770 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bought my first Klein Quantum in 1990. Best bike I ever rode!!

  • @iunnox666
    @iunnox666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Something tells me that Klein doesn't have nearly the same level of components as the Canyon. Put an old xtr groupset and nice wheels on that Klein, then see how fast it is vs a modern bike.

    • @sahmadsyafiq5015
      @sahmadsyafiq5015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      here i am... from future 5 years later. .. at last i do as u said... i put modern high TPI tires modern group set and other carbon part to my retro mtb and. here the result.. " my friends with 29er modern mtb EAT DUST"..behind me😂

    • @manchesterexplorer8519
      @manchesterexplorer8519 ปีที่แล้ว

      I own a 1991 KONA Hei Hei that I've retrofitted with a shorter stem , wider handlebars , a 2008 SID World Cup Fork , Mavic 217 wheels and a Microshift 10 speed drivetrain as this Bike is still fun on trails for what it is . The bike really excels as an urban adult BMX bike as this is what I use it mainly for as I can just open my door and go as I may convert it to a single speed .

  • @nickfrazier817
    @nickfrazier817 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my dad bought that same klein pulse in the 90s. same color, same forks. we still have the forks and the frame in the garage

  • @SRob
    @SRob 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the New vs Old race video is the best GMBN video so far for laughs, Scotty and Neil are brilliant😂

  • @fellowsautomobile9234
    @fellowsautomobile9234 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Honestly, I like the Klein better, looks quite nimble as well. Just put a more comfortable cockpit and you've got my vote! :)

    • @turbodistortionirmc
      @turbodistortionirmc 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep she's a beauty, way cheaper to fix as well

    • @stephenperry8855
      @stephenperry8855 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A bit late. Here I am in 2023 with a 1997 Klein Pulse Race, but with Deore, XTR, Magura hydraulic brakes, and carbon all over. Very light. Nimble is on point - with those 26 inch wheels. Really nicely balanced bike, incredibly strong.

  • @vaiosm5818
    @vaiosm5818 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love retro bikes. so please more videos about them.

  • @sulev111
    @sulev111 8 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The results clearly speak for themselves: Neil is weaker. Nothing else to conclude.
    If you want a comparison you should have 1 rider doing a timed lap with each bike on separate days.

    • @antred11
      @antred11 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      And for the test to be scientifically meaningful you'd have to repeat it a number of times and then compute the average, too.

  • @kfach123
    @kfach123 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    you should compare mid class alu xc bike not the high end bike!

  • @Jurrb_
    @Jurrb_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If have a retro fully cross country bike and i LOVE it

  • @scrunts666
    @scrunts666 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I like the Klein more.

  • @WhatTheFlyinFudge
    @WhatTheFlyinFudge 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...and here I am, with my 1995 GT Zaskar, 24 speeds, Rock Shox Judy, Mavic rims, Rock Ring, XT grouppo, and Onza Porcupine bar ends.
    I STILL DIG MY OLD ASS BIKE! After all this time I still haven't broken the damn thing.

  • @dalewilliams7484
    @dalewilliams7484 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video. keep them coming. I'm upgrading/working a 90's cannondale f700 with the headshok, I got for free, it has its challenges but it is slowly turning in to a cool low buck ride.

  • @nelly19742012
    @nelly19742012 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Really enjoyed the video but the comparison was not fair. Not all modern high end bikes are carbonfiber and have 29" tires. I think another 26er with aluminum frame or even a 27.5er would've made it a closer race.

    • @adriancabrera3014
      @adriancabrera3014 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Nelly Avi i thin the same why they didn't use a high end 1995 Yeti?

    • @nelly19742012
      @nelly19742012 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +ADrian Cabrera very good point.

  • @PDZ1122
    @PDZ1122 8 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Rubbish! Everyone knows that what matters in a mountain bike is how much money you spent on it and all the aftermarket parts. Oh, and letting everyone know that. At every opportunity.
    And after that, you still have to pedal the bloody thing.

  • @jonowee
    @jonowee 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Still love bar ends on skinny bars, or dropbars. Just never could warm up to cruising with the body position on riser wings.

    • @dmak2
      @dmak2 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +jonowee Chopped mine, stuck bar ends on. Is there really any need for that much leverage?

  • @cjones7854
    @cjones7854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The more GMBN and GCN I watch, the more I feel like it's just to try and sell people new stuff.

  • @milesmayhem5440
    @milesmayhem5440 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those Kleins were great mountain bikes.

  • @kurtjens
    @kurtjens 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Next, swap bikes and see who wins.

  • @mike1232able
    @mike1232able 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Faster isn't always more fun. I bet he felt more safe with those Canyon cart wheels.

  • @rohinbakrania347
    @rohinbakrania347 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    can you do a video on how to set up a rear coil shock please

    • @endurofordaboys1768
      @endurofordaboys1768 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes getting my dh bike soon

    • @moonte7933
      @moonte7933 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      set the preload by turning the threaded nut at the end of the spring to get the right sag(check sag on the rebound piston inside the coil)and then play around with rebound and compression like on an air shock depending on how you ride

    • @rohinbakrania347
      @rohinbakrania347 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I weigh about 60kg and the shock came with a 400 pound spring, what spring size is necessary?

    • @moonte7933
      @moonte7933 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Rohin Bakrania that i don't know....but look at the manufacturer's recommendation...they might not be the same for every shock and springs are usually rated for a certain weight interval....if you find a spring rated for let's say 55-60 kg,i would go with the next size up considering you weigh more with all your kit on...you'll need a bit of research to make the decision.

    • @moonte7933
      @moonte7933 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Rohin Bakrania some great info here hub.chainreactioncycles.com/buying-guides/components/rear-shock-springs-buying-guide/

  • @aaronmathias6739
    @aaronmathias6739 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys have the slickest produced videos!!! Keep up the good, informative & absolutely wholesome entertaining videos mates!

  • @trailseeker3722
    @trailseeker3722 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome vid guys, thanks for the laughs :)

  • @niklasjeschko7430
    @niklasjeschko7430 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed this one ! Great work ! Please keep it up guys
    Ah and btw: I especially love the hard tail videos

  • @oldscoolgaming.5040
    @oldscoolgaming.5040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think all that matters is getting out there and enjoying yourself .I can't afford a decent modern bike but I'm in the process of building a retro off road bike now, with an old Gt aggressor frame.I think everyone should build their own retro bike for their collection,It's a load of fun.

  • @muddydave01
    @muddydave01 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh the way that Klein made everything look just ever so sketchy. Brings back memories. I had a slick tired chromoly Fuji and the way it would wiggle and slide on everything, particularly wet bitumen after a brief summer storm, was a blast.

  • @MiniZooTube
    @MiniZooTube 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The challenge was almost unfair. A Rochshox indy fork was enry level and would compare to a entry level rockshox fork of today (XC 30 , 28). Noticed the modern bike achieve much greater control on the rough. If the older bike had a Judy DH of that same year it would have had both compression and rebound damping. Good video though! :)

  • @Gotdurt
    @Gotdurt 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just 15 seconds? A few tweaks and updates on the Klein would easily close that gap, starting with tires that aren't 20 years old...

  • @santosfernandez7304
    @santosfernandez7304 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video. A good friend of mine gave me a 94 klein fervor with girvin forks to get started and begin to mountain bike as age 38. Im excited for sure.

  • @end_ofthe_world2008
    @end_ofthe_world2008 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Even on a retro, Neil can ride 10x betten than me haha

  • @mannyfnsc29
    @mannyfnsc29 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those narrow bars are hilarious. Btw, Klein had the best paint jobs..that I do remember.

  • @brucelugliArt
    @brucelugliArt ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2000 Cannondale F700, it is the bike of my dreams. I bought it two years ago, I love its geometry and character, and I can say that more than one cyclist with the latest generation bikes is amazed! A while ago some guys saw my Cannondale leaving a bike shop and yelled at me that it was an obsolete bike, I turned around, walked up to them and said do you see the rainbow printed on the frame? Well, this bike won many world cups, my friend! I turned around and left, sometimes it's not the bicycles that are obsolete, but the thoughts of some people.

  • @colerenfro4391
    @colerenfro4391 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thats why BMX and dirt jumping are cool - they don't change !

  • @lavapix
    @lavapix 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    So you're saying my Giant Cadex CFM2 is outdated? Its only 23 years old. Its a hell of a climber.

    • @apotteronabike6222
      @apotteronabike6222 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      it isnt even a classic yet

    • @Wasmachineman
      @Wasmachineman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those high end ATXes where the SHIT. Johnny T ran DH back in the 90s on a ATX990.

    • @EVMYT
      @EVMYT 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I rock a Giant MCM2 and still love it. wouldn't buy this modern trash.

    • @raivkka4313
      @raivkka4313 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      holy crap, I had one of those. Raced the piss out of it!

  • @tomaszzawada9191
    @tomaszzawada9191 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Quite fun to watch a modern xc trail being ridden on a mid-range retro mtb.
    Yeah, I know the comparison turned out to be devastating for the retro, but...
    0. It's like comparing a 2016 Ferrari 458 Italia to a 90's toyota corolla. Yeah, clearly you could see a bit of a difference :) What if you put head to head with a 1997 Ferrari 360 Modena then? Driven by a professional driver the results on a track would be similar. The old car would be lighter (and lightning fast) but difficult to handle, more predictable for a pro, impossible for a beginner. The new one would perform evenly, be lightning fast as well. Definitely showing its advantages of being easier to drive, easier to handle and able to deliver anytime for any driver.
    1. In 1997 people were already racing CF frames (e.g. Giant MCM). The frame material would not affect the that much though, as a good aluminum frame was stiff and as light as today's CF frames.
    2. In 1997 a standard front fork was Judy SL, ans the 1998 SID was just around the corner. What was that in the vid? Indy C? Indy S? No oil damper. No adjustment, 63mm travel, while Judys could be set up for 80mm.
    3. We did have XTR back in 1997. And it was fine. It already ran on first gen octalink spindle and was way stiffer and a better performer than your average crankset. Yet, no mention in the vid.
    4. In 1997 we did have powerful v-brakes (XT or XTR) that could actually brake quite well.
    5. In 1997 we did have mavic crossmax ceramic, that were light, stiff and helped maintain constant braking power. The one in the video seems to have some really nasty cheap wheelset.
    6. A 1997 world-cup grade XC bike could easily weigh around 8,5-9kg. But back then, light weight was the ultimate weapon to win a race. Today's equipment is not lighter at all. RS-1 and 29 inches cost some weight penalty, but perform way better thgoughout the race (you maintain better pace etc.). Therefore, it might have been a good idea to test a superlight 1998 XCO bike with a modern XCO performer.
    Summing up, this comparison was ridiculous. A better Idea would be a comparison of a 1997 top of the range xc machine with today's mid-range 29er. Maybe the time difference would be less obvious, but still a new 29er would win. What's funny, those machines would both be worth around $4k once new. (today's top XCO machines cost more like 10k. Epic, FSi, Spark etc).

  • @MarkARebuck
    @MarkARebuck 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    1997 Klein Pulse Comp was my first mountainbike. Had many good rides on that thing!

  • @DavidCulshawmer-r
    @DavidCulshawmer-r 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    crackin vid :) , those bar ends might have been old school but put some on your modern bike , their the mutts nuts for climbing or riding flat stuff at speed ;) ( I still use um btw )

  • @bLaw949
    @bLaw949 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't wait to see what the next 20 years will bring!

  • @JustFrana
    @JustFrana 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Scott just looks like he would be an absolute powerhouse on a bike

  • @mnbv5555cxz
    @mnbv5555cxz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    was it the bike? or is Scott just faster than Neil? We need some evidence that on identical bikes they can ride at the same speed or, well, maybe the old bike isn't slower, maybe it's the old rider?

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +Ed Freedman what! I am offended!!! I am not old, I am youthfully challenged ;) Neil

  • @w.s.6336
    @w.s.6336 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have bikes from '95 and I'm only improving them (except possibility of installing disc brakes).
    They contain lots of cool memories that exist in my head as long as I have these bikes.

  • @AppalachiaTN
    @AppalachiaTN 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video, guys! I really enjoyed it. I have a '95 GT Tequesta sporting a RST suspension fork (purchased aftermarket as the bike was a full rigid when purchased) and cantilever brakes (V-brakes came out in '96), so I can appreciate retro. I just bought a Specialized Fuse 27.5"+ bike. Disc brakes are awesome, but trying to get used to the wider bars in between trees as the old bikes used to have narrow bars similar in width to road bikes. Keep up the good videos!

    • @rambler1277
      @rambler1277 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Had an early 90's Tequesta, looked awesome but was a tank. Sold it to a girl in college when I upgraded to a Paramount. Worlds better.

  • @Larry93215
    @Larry93215 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think you should race a beach cruiser against your canyon bike

  • @TheREWARD77
    @TheREWARD77 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Swap the bikes ! I really want to see if Scott can win with the old one

    • @pssoa1112
      @pssoa1112 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he cantt

  • @732kustoms4
    @732kustoms4 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    WOW! How unfair was that! As pointed out below that 'Klein' is in fact a Trek with Budget Rock Shox and an LX group set... not cheap at the time but nowhere near as expensive a set up as on the plastic bike. There was a little piccy of the fella racing with Z1 bombers... now they were a pair of forks. I do not ride any more but are Canyon still on-line only? And have upside down forks lost all that twisty play they used to have? Why not do the test again with good MTB's from there time.

    • @JoeCole12
      @JoeCole12 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a 98 Pulse Race and yes they were purchased by Trek by then but its still a Klein frame with some bontreger stuff. Trek hadn't ruined Klein yet.

  • @Hypersonicbiker
    @Hypersonicbiker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. We want more retro bikes videos. Respect

  • @TheDhDario
    @TheDhDario 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    ... i love the fact that you feature a lot of Canyon bikes ! (as a german myself) they do produce superb bikes after all.

  • @ErwinMeulman
    @ErwinMeulman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    After see many video of gmbn, this is the best video! so cool!!

  • @dan110024
    @dan110024 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those Marzocchi Bombers @ 1:29 !!!!!!!!! Man. Talk about a gigantic hit of nostalgic endorphins! What I would have done to own a set of those...

  • @larissap9267
    @larissap9267 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm still riding my '95 KONA Explosif, and I LOVE it. *Mind you, just recently scored a used Santa Cruz Juliana. It IS more forgiving, and I have more energy from not absorbing so much shock. It also climbs like a mountain goat.

  • @Carlos750407
    @Carlos750407 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm still riding my Scott Comp Racing 1999 model. 😋

  • @muddyfoxcourier
    @muddyfoxcourier 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Inconclusive !!!Nice fun vid guys.And was that a retro JMC powerslide ? Brilliant.

  • @DilbertMuc
    @DilbertMuc 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I made the upgrade to a 29er Grand Canyon last year, since it is the modern bike to have. And without a modern 29er one is not able to master the local trails anymore. Yeah, got it.
    However I also used to have an old mid 90's Specialized Stumpjumper which endured a miserable ending on a Tacx roller in winter time. After watching tons of GMBN videos which explain advances in technology and biking, I've now put a wide handle bar, a 27 gear drive and a RockShox Reba Air on it. The rest is 25 years old, but the ol' Stumpy is like newborn again. Endless fun on the trails, it's like a new bike! Don't get me wrong, the Grand Canyon is an awsome bike! But it collected exactly 0 km this year. Maybe I'm doing something wrong...?

  • @highestsprings
    @highestsprings 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well concidering the tech difference you were ripping on the Retro. Great stuff.

  • @reefwade
    @reefwade 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still have a 1996 Klein Comp and its my primary ride. Love the rigidity and light weight. Climbs like a monster. Stops ... well, not like a monster.

  • @andrewnorris5415
    @andrewnorris5415 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like Neil had more fun, am I right? Plus those forks were early days of forks, add on a quality one from, say 2001, and you would be a lot closer speed wise. Not sure if you used old school tyres or not?

  • @schlooonginator1227
    @schlooonginator1227 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Would have been a bit better had they used an equivalent retro bike in terms of drive train and fork. He had an LX rear , a cheaper fork and that rear wheel had a freaking reflector on it which screams low end.
    Also, would be better if Neil had some time to state what he felt the old bikes weaknesses were.
    I suspect the wheel size was the biggest then the suspension fork then the handle bar.
    Still, I would love to see a real weight weenie retro build with a SID and high end wheels etc. If anything there may have been some improvement with a true weight weenie build.

    • @OsellaSquadraCorse
      @OsellaSquadraCorse 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Bungle2010 And the first thing anybody did was take them off.. In the last 19 years, it's still got it's original wheel...? Unlikely. Uou also missed the point slightly - that Klein with the kit on it is a middle of the range bike from 1997 vs a top-end modern (Di shifting FFS!) and that Indy fork on the Klein was commonly swapped out/binned even in 97/98!
      So what they did was race a 2015 BMW M5 against a 1997 318i... Yes, the modern bike or car etc IS faster, nobody expects any different - but it's a completely pointless video if you don't even bother to take comparative bikes..
      They could have used a Peugeot T6000 or a Zaskar, or Giant MCM (y'know, race-ready bikes) OR used an SLX-equipped Alu framed Cube, Canyon etc which at least would have made the test a bit more interesting and showed how far bikes seemingly 'the same' have actually developed in 19 years & how much faster that makes them .. THAT would have been a valid test of Retro vs Modern.

    • @schlooonginator1227
      @schlooonginator1227 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Its the same here in Canada but, as the guy above metioned, anyone serious about a high end XC bike is going to toss the useless 100g stuck on their wheel or, if its an aftermarket upgrade, would likely not have the reflector in the first place, either way it indicates that that wheel is most likely a low end heavy cheap wheel.
      I am not saying this video sucked, just the opposite, I liked it, but would have been even better had it been a Klien with a SID or Bomber, with a host of old school aftermarket upgrades and a high end wheel set that a true race bike would sport.

    • @RevoltingRudi
      @RevoltingRudi 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +OsellaSquadraCorse if they whould do a real comparision like yout pointed out, it will show that the old bikes are just not so far off. but bike industy has to sell new bikes. so they bash the old ones. biggest factor is still they rider!

  • @foofy4494
    @foofy4494 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd like to see this comparison redone with new tires, wider bars, and a shorter stem on the Klein. The weight difference, wheel size, and disc brakes might be the only significant advantages over the Klein. I'd also bet that the Klein would be more fun to ride!

    • @drongojonkins8945
      @drongojonkins8945 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      You pretty much described my bike. Virtually identical to the Klein, I just replaced the old 40mm rockshox with some 100mm remote lockout taiwanese forks, put some propper new 2.35" tyres on and wider bars (riser though) and it is a better bike (in my eyes) than anything new under $1200 and all up just cost me $300 . Probably not fast by todays standards but its fun, really agile, tough and light.

    • @drongojonkins8945
      @drongojonkins8945 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not really far to compare these two bikes either being ones mid price and the other is top shelf. They had high end bikes in the 90's too.

    • @foofy4494
      @foofy4494 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      drongo jonkins - That's awesome! I have a '96 Klein Pulse converted to singlespeed with wide risers, new tires, and rebuilt Marzocchi Z2 Bombers from '97. It's probably my favorite bike and the most fun to ride!
      You're right about the price difference, too. Huge difference!

    • @drongojonkins8945
      @drongojonkins8945 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      That sounds badarse. I was thinking about going 1x, but cant be arsed getting a different cassette and deraileur. Plus, then i'd want to do other stuff - front hydro disc, wheels - by which stage id be thinking about changing the frame and building something from scratch around a $400 chinese carbon frame - doing it cheap would end up getting toward $2000 lol.
      Gotta draw the line!

  • @mike_p941
    @mike_p941 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You wouldn't race on a retro but you can still have fun on one.

  • @GTichris70
    @GTichris70 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there were high end bikes in the 80s...ibis,breezer, fat chance,yeti....they are always left out
    when people say retro...people rode hard back then too

  • @edwardsj0209
    @edwardsj0209 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    doesn't matter what your bike is, it's you and how you enjoy it.

  • @evansmith9438
    @evansmith9438 8 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Looks like Neil needs to try out the six exercises to make you a faster rider!😂😂😂

    • @pssoa1112
      @pssoa1112 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      maybe they need to change bikes

    • @harveyreid6022
      @harveyreid6022 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Comment of the week

  • @imranbecks
    @imranbecks 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm still using my 2007 Trek with v-brakes 😀

    • @williamdanforth4058
      @williamdanforth4058 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      1991 Trek 7000 no suspension.

    • @davisbenson6217
      @davisbenson6217 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      99 specialized hardrock here, saving up for something a bit nicer though!

    • @imranbecks
      @imranbecks 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      dman9494 Yeah. I'm saving up for an upgrade to the Trek X-Caliber 8 ;-)

    • @ericweaver3057
      @ericweaver3057 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am riding a 1998 Gary Fisher Big Sur. Works for me

    • @LoneWolf-ck7pj
      @LoneWolf-ck7pj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mine's a 1991 Look Mi90. rigid steel frame, Shimano XTR brakes and shifters. The upside is I can do three hours of equivalent riding on a new bike in one and a half!

  • @tomr862
    @tomr862 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That Klein is pure class tho.

  • @Skreij
    @Skreij 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very slick, professional video, great job on this one as always guys :)

  • @Markikuunn
    @Markikuunn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I understand the feeling of going from 26 to 29, my 26 is fast but it becomes skittish in the trails so I have to be more careful, maybe the wheels are smaller, but my grin at the end of the trail is bigger. The 29er is easy to ride, more forgiving, but it becomes boring after a while, and is slower uphills. I wouldn't change my custom build 26er proflex for the 29er, she is faster, and have never let me down. Also she is my ride to work, an absolute pleasure to ride

  • @mmedia6228
    @mmedia6228 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please do more retro videos!! :)

  • @WeMakeLaw
    @WeMakeLaw 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Friendly banter is nice...

  • @BigGdh100
    @BigGdh100 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neil, that's the best thing I've heard in ages, "what bar ends you got?" Ace.

  • @karlfonner7589
    @karlfonner7589 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    97 vintage? Try 1982. When Ronnie James Dio was on tour so was I with my mountain bike

    • @babbalonian2
      @babbalonian2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol,,,no kidding,,I Just picked up a 99 Gary Fisher,,,and I consider that bike new compared to my 1985 Norco Sasquatch.

    • @karlfonner7589
      @karlfonner7589 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      babbalonian2 😆 Have fun with the both of them sir

  • @eduardobinotto4818
    @eduardobinotto4818 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I prefer 1997 bike. You have more time to apreciate the nature. Nice place.

  • @thechaosengine3020
    @thechaosengine3020 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That gradient chainstay was taking a kicking from the chain!

  • @andrewleeds504
    @andrewleeds504 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid
    I had a gt zaskar frame back at the same time, with stx, - indy forks completely lock up after 1 day in the Alps (they just had foam inserts -no oil or air- they were crap even back then) the judy forks were far superior, and the bars look narrow for even that time period, most of the riding back then was far more technical, that long 29" bike with super wide bars would have trouble getting through
    Love to see a rerun with retro at more realistic level (judy fork, lx /xt sti, bit wider riser bar and more technical trail) and modern at mid level price

  • @bigfootandbananaman4746
    @bigfootandbananaman4746 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I ride a 1993 Stumpjumper M2 Composite

  • @AuralVirus
    @AuralVirus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good to see 99% of the viewers didn't fall for the bullshit of newer bikes magically making you faster. Next time put 2 bikes of comparable quality together rather than a £300 vs a nearly £3000 bike eh?

    • @obirato
      @obirato 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, I am very happy for the same reason

  • @AngryMushroom91
    @AngryMushroom91 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Bullshit !!!! The comparation must be made by ONE driver. Maybe - the Klein's result would be better? Who knows?

  • @bicyclist2
    @bicyclist2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd take the red Klien over that Chinese 29er any day. When the going gets tough and twisty, the older bike shines and the 29er has problems.

  • @joegatrill6634
    @joegatrill6634 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant! I still ride some older bikes and have loads of fun on them which is what it's all about really. unless your racing, do you need to spend £4k to go a bit quicker?

  • @hiccup6961
    @hiccup6961 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    'cheeky bugger' made me lol great stuff

  • @jakekaim03
    @jakekaim03 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the wooden bikestand!

  • @theagk19781
    @theagk19781 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Klein wins for me because it has survived 19 years and is in good shape, in 8 years or less the canyon will be in a skip, nuff said