These Changes Fix Smash Ultimate's Classic Mode
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- I dive into the world of Smash mods once again to bring some improvements to Ultimate's Classic Modes!
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These Changes Fix Smash Ultimate's Classic Mode
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What changes to classic mode would you guys like to see?
I'd like this change to both Sora and Kazuya's Classic Modes, for them to not exist in the first place.
I'd be fine with the Sora and Kazuya changes
We need a lot less Master Hand!
I would change Sonic's Classic Route to be Let's Brawl where he would fight characters that debut in Super Smash Bros Brawl.
1st Battle: Pit, Meta Knight & King DeDeDe on Green Hill
2nd Battle: Rob, Pokemon Trainer & Lucario on Mushroomy Kingdom
3rd Battle: Diddy Kong, Lucas & Ike on New Pork City
4th Battle: Snake, Toon Link & Wolf on Pirate Ship
5th Battle: Little Mac (Assist Trophy turned Fighter in SSB4) & Ridley (Boss Battle turned Fighter in SSBU) with the Waluigi Assist Trophy turned on
Boss Battle: Galeum with Wario & Olimar as allies
I would change Mewtwo’s Classic mode (keep the stages and music):
Battle 1: vs x2 Lucas (1 with regular colors and 1 with Claus’s colors)
Battle 2: (with Lucas) vs Cloud
Battle 3: (with Cloud) vs Ryu and Ken
Battle 4: (replace Ken with Ryu due to Evil Ryu) vs Richter
Battle 5: (with Richter) vs Palutena and Pit
Battle 6: (replace Pit with Palutena (due to her mind control in “Uprising” and Mewtwo’s control over Nurse Joy in “Pokémon the First Movie” and it’s CGI remake)) vs Pokémon Trainer, Pikachu, and Lucario (referencing Ash Ketchum who faced Mewtwo in “Pokémon the First Movie,” it’s CGI remake, “Mewtwo Returns,” and “Pokémon Journeys”)
Final Boss: (with Pikachu) vs Ganondorf/Ganon (referencing Giovanni, then Giovanni being corrupted by the Reveal Glass in "Pokémon Black and White: Rival Destinies") with Mii Brawlers (1 male with purple hair and 1 female with red hair with Team Rocket outfits (referencing Jessie and James) and 1 with cat suit (referencing Meowth)) (replacing Master and Crazy Hand)
Love that Byleth's route is just them attacking children.
I like it better than his original classic route
Shoulda gone to class
Child Abuse
That should be my Dad's route as well.
Get it? Domestic abuse jokes are always funny and never misfire.
For some reason, I felt that Byleth is Anakin Skywalker
In Rosalina's route, Starfy is the only Assist Trophy that shows up. So yeah, it's possible in theory, then again I don't know a lot about modding. Good video btw!
Also Young Link's route has only Assist Trophies from the Legend of Zelda
series. So it's definitely possible only idk how to mod and it probably requires something more technical through the item spawning.
I dove into the files and based on what strictly determines each battle I couldn’t find a way to mirror how Rosalina/Young Link’s route handles assists :/ I suspect there is separate data elsewhere that would allow it to work
@@Aaronitmar maybe it works similar to the item probability ruleset (how likely an item is to spawn) and how you summon a specific Assist Trophy character in Training Mode.
For example, the only items that spawn in Rosa's route are star-like items and the Assist Trophy. The Assist Trophy itself has only Starfy active and everyone else deactivated. Meanwhile, Young Link's route has Minda, the Moon, Skullkid, and Ghirahim as activated and every other Assist Trophy deactivated.
This problem works similar to how you can't summon some Assist Trophies in certain stages (like Alucard in the Wii Fit stage because of the mirrors, or the Moon on Great Bay because it's already in the background)
@@Aaronitmar Ok, I see. Like I said I don't know about modding. Thanks for replying!
@@chamtheman551 The funny thing is in the file that handles the items, all of what you said is true. Rosalina specifically has the star items enabled, for example. But it only turns on the general item Assist Trophy, so it doesn't specify *just* Starfy, it's very strange, and I've yet to find anywhere that handles it.
Imagine if they had Pikachu in his wizard hat as Sora’s partner in classic mode to represent Mickey Mouse
Oh my goodness, clever
That... Yes.
Just, yes.
@Cliven Soewarna Good idea :)
Good Idea, I Just Think It Would Be A Little Bit Too Much To Ask For
I think an interesting change could be made to Sonic’s, in which there are 6 stages in Sonic 1 (Green Hill, Marble, Spring Yard, Labyrinth, Starlight and Scrap Brain), and of course 6 fights before the final one in Classic mode, so each arena could reference each stage, with Green Hill being obviously easiest to add. Not sure what the fights themselves could be, but maybe him fighting robotic characters in each stage, with animal characters working as partners, as a nod to him saving animals. I also think it could end with a giant Roy Koopa, as a nice reference to Eggman. Just a quick head canon there
Or make Galleom as the final round instead
I love the idea. The fights could reference villains throughout the series on STH1's stages.
Fight 1: Mii Brawler (Knuckles outfit) on Green Hill Zone: Knuckles started out as a villain.
Fight 2: Metal Sonic on Arena Ferox: Metal Sonic obviously references Metal Sonic. Arena Ferox has some marble pillars.
Fight 3: Cyan Inkling on Mushroom Kingdom: Chaos from Adventure. Mushroom Kingdom at sunrise would have some very similar aesthetics to Spring Yard.
Fight 4: Black Sonic on Great Bay: Y'know I had to put Shadow in here. Great Bay has lots of water like Labyrinth.
Fight 5: Green Falco, Pink Falcon, & yellow bike Wario on Spear Pillar: The Babylon Rogues. Spear Pillar is kinda green and it's night and sometimes tilts.
Fight 6: Red Incin, green ZSS, & whatever 4 others are good on Midgar: The deadly six. Midgar is a clear choice for Scrap Brain.
Final Fight: Giant Roy Koopa on Shadow Moses Island: It's Dr Eggman in Final Zone
You could also have an ally in each fight: 1] yellow Fox (Tails) 2] purple Daisy (Amy helping with Metal makes too much sense), 3] Knuckles Mii (he became good) 4] white Sonic (Silver also fought Shadow), 5] pink Robin (I had to put Blaze in here), 6] Roy Koopa (Eggman helped fight the Zeti), Final] yellow Fox and Knuckles Mii (this doesn't need explanation)
I think it should be about Sonic's History.
1. Sonic 1 - Sonic vs. Dr. Robotnik(Ludwig) on Green Hill
2. Sonic CD - Sonic vs. Metal Sonic(Sonic with a Metal Box) on Stardust Speedway(Big Blue)
3. Sonic 2 - Sonic and Mii(Tails costume) vs. Robotnik(Ludwig) and Mecha Sonic(Sonic with a Metal Box) on the Death Egg(Shadow Moses Island)
4. Sonic 3 & Knuckles - Sonic and Mii(Tails costume) vs. Robotnik(Ludwig) and Knuckles(Assist Trophy) on Hidden Palace(The Great Cave Offensive)
5. Sonic Adventure 2 - Sonic vs. Shadow(Black Sonic) with Shadow's Assist trophy on the Space Colony Ark(Lylat Cruiser)
6. Sonic Lost World - Sonic vs. The Deadly Six(Red Bowser, Yellow K. Rool, Pink Greninja, Blue Kirby, Green Beyonetta, and Purple Toon Link) on Windy Hill
Boss. Forces - Sonic, Blue Sonic, and Red Wolf(Buddy(Wolf Avatar)) vs. Invisable Squirtle(Chaos 0), Red Bowser(Zavok), Black Sonic(Shadow with his Assist Tophy), Metal Sonic(Giant Sonic with Metal Box), Big Grey Lucario(Infinite), and Giant Ludwig with HP and Super Armor(Death Egg Robot Phase 3) on Null Space(Final Destination)
Yeah
Or! To keep the Sonic vs his Rivals..
Green Hill with Ludwig, Eggman/Robotnik.
Big Blue with Metal box Sonic.
Etc etc, but also including Blaze, represented by a fire-using Lucina, on a Space Stage.
The unfortunate flaw with a lot of these route ideas is that DLC fighters are used as opponents, which you may notice no routes use at all. Only base game fighters are used as opponents in Classic Mode.
With the exception of Terry facing off against himself, Ryu, and Ken at the end of his route, yeah... literally none of the DLC characters fight other DLC characters.
It's unfortunate, but it makes sense. What if you got one DLC fighter, but not another? There has to be flexibility in those areas.
@@ClawsAndTeeth Exactly.
It doesn't matter if you haven't purchased them. With every update, they were added to your game, so other players that have purchased them can use them against you.
The only difference is that they don't appear in the selection screen, so YOU can not use them.
(The same with their stages, music, etc.)
I like to imagine these routes as a "what if ultimate got a deluxe edition where DLC fighters and stages are part of the base game?"
I really think you should have put galleom into Rob's classic route since gallium is a brawl boss
Yeah I agree
@@alikaisdead Not to mention they're both robots.
And is still the finale in the R.O.B route
A better version of Mario’s route would have him fighting third parties instead of Nintendo characters
Round 1: Snake and Simon (Konami)
Round 2: Sonic, Bayonetta, and Joker (Sega)
Round 3: Mega Man and Ryu (Capcom)
Round 4: PAC-MAN and Kazuya (Bandai)
Round 5: Cloud, Hero, and Sora (Square Enix)
Round 6: Banjo and Steve (Microsoft)
Boss: Giga Bowser (Yes I know he’s Nintendo but Mario needs to fight him)
Umm, Round 6 cannot work because they are DLC. If you lack the DLC, what would you fight?.
So round 2,4, and 5 won't work either since they also use dlc
Edit: wait i realized what you meant
@@toumabyakuya a lot of the classic routes should have dlc characters anyways, and if dlc doesn’t count just put in ken and richter
@@hiilikepizza3197 The thing is that if they had DLC characters then the players that lack said DLC wouldn't be able to do said routes.
Also, Ken and Richter wouldn't be able to fix anything because both Capcom and Konami have their own round.
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I really like the idea of Sephiroth’s final battle being against the four main party members
But isn't Aerith dead by then?
Nah it was delayed because of the pandemic
My idea for Sora would have not only a Duck Hunt ally, but an additional hero from any given series teamed up against their respective villains. Mario joins the party against Bowser, Link joins against Ganondorf, etc.
This would mimic the structure of Sora, Donald, and Goofy traveling to different worlds, joining with their protagonists, and beating up their villains with them. Maybe you could have a heartless horde in one of the battles, with various shadow-skinned characters.
I love that idea!
Completely agree with this :)
it kinda has the same feel as Diddy kongs quest no? where he joins up to be the side-kick of the group?
I like Byleth's route, especially for the final boss part, because it also references how you can recruit students from other houses to join you to fight in the war, which in this case means you beat them up so they can join you fighting two giant hands
My biggest issue with smash ultimate’s classic mode is how short each route is and the lack of some variety could be an issue for some as it’s the same route each time with one character with no variation (and I mean if you choose the same character then it’s the same route)
Plus lack of mini game variety is also a big issue as it’s the same running one each time
I wish so badly there was a randomized Classic Mode so you weren't stuck with the same matchups if you only pick your main, even Smash Wii U was better at that
This was one of my biggest issues with ults classic mode and tbh it along with a lot of other things really just brings the game down for me
Not just the lack of variety in fights but even difficulty. People who enjoy difficulties over 5.0 have to sit through joke fights. People who can't play above 5.0 have to start at 1.0 to enjoy the mode.
Not to mention difficulty is also based on match ups, some characters get harder fights then others.
It is arguably the worst classic mode just from how it alienates everyone.
Also there is no Classic All Star Mode
@@Buglin_Burger7878
Also No Classic All Star Mode!
I've had a similar idea for Pokémon trainer, but limited it to the Pokémon league instead of randomly stopping by each gym that can be adapted.
Fight 1: a horde of pokémon on the great cave offensive, referencing Victory Road. Has the appropriate music to help make it more obvious.
Fight 2: Zero Suit Samus and the Ice climbers to reference Lorelei and her ice types.
Fight 3: Ryu and Lucario to reference Bruno and his fighting types.
Fight 4: There's no old lady on the roster, so I chose Zelda using her white-haired alt, along with Kirby using his black alt to reference Agatha and her Ghost Types (specifically Gastly)
Fight 5: Marth and ridley to reference Lance and his Dragon Types.
Fight 6: opposite gender Pokémon trainer to serve as the champion.
and then the boss stays the same, mewtwo followed by Master Hand, referencing the battle which is unlocked after the league.
Also, since I have a vendetta against uneven fights in classic modes, Pikachu will be your ally for the whole route. I guess fight 6 can also add a Pichu to properly mirror your team.
Love this!
Love this, but swap Marth with Roy, the red hair matches better. Everything else, great!
@@NinjaPickle totally fair.
@@Aaronitmar what if you make the DLC bosses in each of your future episodes
Inkling classic mode is Octavio
Greninja classic mode boss Rayquaza and arceus
Ness and Lucas classic mode porky statue
Incineroar classic mode boss Necrozma
Hyness will be in DeDeDe classic mode as bosss
I love the change to the end of Sephiroth's route. I feel like the boss rush idea just screams "I'm OP and I know it."
I personally would like to see Joker’s classic mode to be more in line with the story of Vanilla Persona 5 rather then reference P3, 4 and 5 all at once. Yes, I know the Incineroar fight is meant to reference Shido. If I were doing the Classic Mode route, I’d also have Joker have allies to fight against giant versions of regular fighters.
Below is how I would’ve done things. The six initial fights reference six of the seven palaces, while I moved the Incineroar fight to be at the end. Here’s how I would have it play out: *Also… Vanilla P5 Spoilers*
- *Fight 1:* Based on the Castle of Lust, the allies would be Pikachu Libre, Black Alt Captain Falcon and Red Alt Zero Suit Samus *(referencing Morgana, Ryuji and Ann)* against a giant red male Wii Fit Trainer to reference Kamoshida on Castle Siege.
- *Fight 2:* Based on the Museum of Vanity, the ally would be Black Alt Chrom to reference Yusuke and the fight is against a giant gold King Dedede to reference Madarame on Suzaku Castle.
- *Fight 3:* Based on the Bank of Gluttony, the ally would be Black Alt Shiek to reference Makoto and the fight is against two enemies this time: A normal sized green Wario to reference Kaneshiro and a giant metal gray Kirby to reference the giant piggy bank vault thing on Dracula’s Castle.
- *Fight 4:* Based on the Pyramid of Wrath, the ally would be an Orange Inkling to reference Futaba and the fight is against a giant Bayonetta to reference Cognitive Wakaba on Mushroomy Kingdom’s battlefield variant. I would also have the Willy Capsule assist here to reference Futaba’s Persona, Necronomicon.
- *Fight 5:* Based on the Spaceport of Greed, the ally would be a pink Villager to reference Haru and the fight is a horde battle against a various tiny ROBs and the final fighter is a normal sized Black Alt Samus to reference Okumura on Omega Midgar.
- *Fight 6:* Based on the Casino of Envy, the ally would be a Joker in his Crow Alt as an obvious reference to Akechi and the fight is against a giant brown Alt Dark Samus with a Killing Edge equipped to reference Shadow Sae on Omega Fourside.
- *Fight 7 and Final Fight:* Based on the Cruiser of Pride and it’s against the aforementioned Incineroar referencing Shido. However, before that you would have to fight the Crow alt Joker referencing Akechi’s boss fight and then the Incineroar spawns. There are two allies and they reference Personas, the turquoise Fierce Deity Link referencing Yoshitsune can stay but I would also include a blue Peach to reference Alice. Both of these Personas reference the Personas Joker used against Shido in the anime adaption. The stage itself would be Final Destination.
*How would you change things? Feel free to let me know*
That's super clever. One suggestion tho during the Sae fight maybe before the Dark Samus comes out you can fight a black alt Zero Suit Samus to reference Shadow Sae's form before the robotic monstrosity she becomes
@@MetaDHedge28😮
*Minor spoilers for Fire Emblem Three Houses*
I love the Byleth one, however the final boss could have Rathalos as a stand in for the final boss in Crimson Flower and Silver Snow with the Apex of the World playing in the background. Aside from that, it’s pretty accurate since it could also represent Byleth aggressively recruiting students from other houses.
Edit: Also why is Marth the only Fire Emblem character to fight Rathalos? It’s practically a meme that the final boss on almost every Fire Emblem game is a dragon.
Not a bad selection. For me I would change Lucina's classic mode to include smashers that traveled through time (Link and young link) and kept Byleth's route the same.
I totally agree with Greninja's route on having Piranha plant be with Ivysaur.
While I thought of something else for ROB, your idea worked great (the only change I'd make is make ganondorf the sole final boss)
Your idea for Sora is great.
As for the pokemon trainer, I went with the squad strike matchup with non-fighting characters. (But your plan works too)
For Sephiroth I would only have Cloud as the final opponent.
Really good job overall!
The only thing I would change that you did is the final fight with Sephiroth against Cloud and the FF7 Miis. Specifically, I would make it so Cloud is the last fighter, because Cloud is also the last person Sephiroth fights in FF7, AND it feels a bit anticlimactic to end the fight on a Mii of all things.
Yeah in retrospect that is a better ending, I realized it too while editing but it was a little too late to go back and change everything
@@Aaronitmar what if Sakurai makes a DLC story mode when the subspace emmisary returns to smash ultimate
Mario link with inkling boy and girl
Simon and richter with pichu and Luigi
Some tweaks I could see:
-instead of bowser jr. and young link, have Byleth fight all of Bowser's kids as a horde.
-Since he's a subspace boss, maybe use Galleom for ROB's final battle?
-Have PKMN trainer's subspace focus on the elite four, with fights based around each member and the journey there. Those would be:
1. A battle in a cave stage with a horde of miis, for Victory Road. Give them more animal-themed costumes.
2. A battle on pokemon stadium 2's ice transformation, against ice climbers and greninja. Referencing Lorelei.
3. Boxing ring, against little mac and Ryu. Put in grey k. Rool too to reference Bruno's onix.
4. Luigi's Mansion, against dark samus, simon and bayonetta, for Agatha. Not a lot of "ghostly" characters in smash, but I did what I could.
5. Same Dragon idea from the video, maybe minus the Dragonborn
6. To reference the champion fight, Battle an opposing pokemon trainer, alongside falco, zelda and k.rool to reference his pidgeot, alakazam and rhydon respectively. This can be on main pokemon stadium.
7. Final Boss is still mewtwo, as you can only access mewtwo once you become champion
Well, in the case of Bowser Jr., it makes even more sense when you remember one of his lines in Mario + Rabbids says that he finished most of his homework.
An additional thing in Byleth’s route, have them parter with Robin, prioritizing tomes, against pit
i love the changes you did for these routes, not only they're an improvement over the originals but also better thought out than the previous video. Love them! (also yeah is odd that they didn't retrofit the Routes, they did for certain Spirits)
yeah the lack of DLC BossRush was such a missed opportunity.
For my Classic Mode Change, I'd overhaul Sora's. I do think what it is now is fits perfectly, but I feel it could better represent Kingdom Hearts, so here's my idea:
The title is "My Friends are my Power", and it has Sora and Duck Hunt (Donald and Goofy) team up with various heroes to face off against the villains of their franchise, with each villain being powered up in someway (as if they were corrupted by Darkness). Not only does this reference the Disney worlds, the villains getting corrupted by darkness, and how you often get party members in each one, it also references Ultimate's theme itself of "Heroes and Villains", tying up the final DLC with a cute lil bow.
Fight 1 teams you up with Fox to fight Wolf.
Fight 2, you're with Samus to fight Ridley or Dark Samus.
Fight 3, you're teamed up with Kirby (and King Dedede?) to fight Marx.
Fight 4, you team up with Link and Zelda to fight a stronger Ganon.
Fight 5 teams up with Mario and Luigi to fight a stronger Giga Bowser.
Fight 6, it ends with you teaming up with Cloud to fight Sephiroth, but Duck Hunt is gone for this fight.
The final battle, you fight a Suped-Up Master Hand and Crazy Hand while teamed up with Duck Hunt, Mario, Link, and Kirby.
Not really Sora face Sephiroth alone in Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 without any help so no Cloud in his fight.
@@Twilight17Petkoton But then it takes away from the whole theme of this classic mode, working alongside friends. Is it more accurate to have Sora fight Sephiroth alone? Absolutely, but it goes against the theme of the rest of the classic mode, plus I wasn't trying to recreate the games' scenarios, just the theme.
I love the callback to Subspace for R.O.B.
I would have loved a teamup of DDD, Luigi and Ness somewhere in there though.
Yea! They saved the whole casting (Expect some characters, like Sonic.) with the help of Kirby! Luigi would use the moves he shares with Mario, referring how Luigi was Mario’s semi-clone in Brawl.
What if Sakurai makes a DLC story mode called subspace emmisary returns to smash ultimate and add bosses DJ Octavio, Rayquaza, Duon, porky Statue, Ultra Necrozma, Hyness instead of Marx and queen Metroid
I had a different way of fixing Byleth's classic route that still works with a similar theme
Instead of fighting against all Fire Emblem characters, you fight alongside all Fire Emblem characters.
...I must admit to not having the opponents thought out all that well, but you can mostly just reference their classic routes. dragons for Marth, knights using their black alt for Ike, a few swordsmen for roy, etc. This doesn't work too well with Chrom and Lucina though...
- For Chrom: A Reddish Bowser (in representation of Kamuz [from The Legend of Valkyrie]), Bayonetta (in representation of Saya) and a Black Sheik wearing a Bunny Hood (in representation of Sheath) as a reference to Project XZone 2 (another crossover game they were part of).
- For Lucina: Two Robins (a Male and a Female) and a Ridley (in representation of Grima). You also have an ally Chrom.
Falco's should be vs sidekicks/2nd Bananas/Henchmen
1 Daisy-common character in secondary/sports games
2 Isabelle-assistant to Tom Nook in ACNH
3 Meta Knight/Dedede-partner characters in some Kirby games like Return to Dream Land
4 Diddy Kong-DK's partner in DKC games
5 Bowser Jr-Bowser's lackey
6 Luigi-OG Player 2
Another way you could approach a Pokemon route would be to pair each enemy pokemon with a similar non-Pokemon fighter, as if they're its trainer. Like, Ken with Incineroar, Ryu with Lucario, Sheik with Greninja, Ness/Snake with Mewtwo, etc.
I have an idea for Fox: We only change the 6th fight. It’s against Wolf, but I was thinking about something… Why we wouldn’t add the characters that represent Fox’s teammates and the ones of Wolf in Star Fox 64? In the original game, when Star Wolf comes, Fox fights the team with his friends. Why only the leaders are fighting?! Adding Greninja (Slippy), King Dedede (Peppy), Falco, Yoshi (Leon), Wario (Pigma) and Diddy Kong (Andrew) would be amazing!
That "Ancient Minister" route is nuts! so much Subspace Emissary nostalgia
Sephiroth's final round was the best. What a great twist to end a boss rush!! You are the final boss!!
I always had the hope that as a extra special bonus, once all the DLC was out they would add an update where you can choose to do any route with any character, provided you first cleared the original route
And for Byleth's route I don't know, I think after Inklings the concept becomes kind of a stretch, since their main thing is their different weapons I would've gone with fighters who have a diverse arsenal of tools/equipment:
The Links, Snake, Inkling, Villager & Isabelle, K.Rool, Bowser Jr, The Pits etc. Even Shulk, he only has the monado but it can "transform" like Byleth's weapon treasure things (I dunno, I only played the GBA fire emblem and got bored)
I looooooove the concept of Byleth's route. Not only it takes into account he's a teacher, but also includes the "Recruit" mechanic that Fire Emblem is known for. I know the og route could've gone for that too, but here is more noticiable and not just a team up to defeat a greater boss.
I would've loved to see a mii classic mode where you can create your own route for each Mii you make.
Here’s an idea: Change Marth’s Classic Mode to be like this
Stage 1: Pikachu
Stage 2: Captain Falcon
Stage 3: Ice Climbers
Stage 4: Peach
Stage 5: Falco
Stage 6: Puff
Final: Fox
Only these stages (Order doesn’t matter): Battlefield, Final Destination, Yoshi’s Story, Dream Land, Fountain, Pokemon Stadium.
Title: Something like ‘Melee’s Top Tiers’
@Cliven Soewarna I mean either one of them can have it, but ONLY one of them
6:29 I love how you say "I know he's DLC and all" here when you straight up put Byleth against a character who at the time of his/her release wasn't even announced.
This is how I would recreate Falco's classic route:
"Melee sized adventure" (name pending)
Round 1: vs. Peach and Mario in Peach's Castle.
Round 2: vs. Zelda and Sheik in Temple.
Round 3: vs. A team of Kirbys in Green Greens.
Round 4: vs. A team of Pikachus, Pichus and Jigglypuffs in Pokemon Stadium (the only item for this round are Poke Balls).
Round 5: vs. 3 Ness in Onett.
Round 6: vs. Metal Mario and Metal Luigi in the Battlefield form of Final Destination.
Boss: Giga Bowser.
Pirana plant's classic mode could be changed to be "The Top Minions" where he would take on fighters that represent famous Mario enemies,like for exemple a mii with a shy guy hat on subcon(mushroom Kingdom II) or a Giant jiglipuff on brinstar (represeting the bully)and ending with a lot of caracteres represeting some of the most famous mainline Mario bosses (a metal Pac-Man represeting king-bob omb,a Giant grey kirby representing King boo,Wario...and more!
wouldve been nice if sephiroths final boss was galeem (even if thats unrealistic), wouldve been a fantastic callback to his reveal trailer
Here’s a new one for Captain Falcon
“Race to the Finish”
This classic mode would be based on characters from other racing games.
1. Mario & Luigi - Figure 8 Circuit - Referencing the Mario Kart series.
2. Kirby, Dedede & Meta Knight - Saffron City - Referencing Kirby Air Ride and the City Trial mode of that game.
3. Diddy Kong & Banjo - Kongo Falls - Referencing Diddy Kong Racing
4. Cloud & Falco - Northern Crater - Referencing Cloud’s appearance in the Chocobo Racing series with Falco acting as a stand-in for Chocobo.
5. Link, Isabelle, Inkling - Mario Kart Circuit - References how all 3 of them were guest characters in Mario Kart 8.
6. Sonic - Green Hill Zone - Referencing the MANY racing games Sonic has been in over the years. Also him being the fastest character in the cast.
Boss: Galleom - Can turn into a car that shoots off super fast.
The Byleth one was pretty clever.
I've had an idea for richter's route
It's called "belmont legacy" or "vampire hunters"
It's a route where richter takes on anyone who wielded the vampire killer in any of the castlevania games before and after the events of symphony of the night
1: richter (white alt) (leon belmont)
2: simon (black alt) (trevor belmont) palutena or zelda (blue alt) (sypha belnades) sheik ( red alt) (grant dynasty)
3: richter (red alt) (christopher belmont)
4: simon (red alt) (juste belmont) richter (green alt) (Nathan graves)
5: richter (yellow alt) (john morris) simon ( red alt) (johnathan morris)
6: richter (red alt) (julius belmont) simon (red alt) (gabriel belmont) richter(black alt) (victor Belmont)
Final boss: dracula or simon belmont
I know it's just the 2 belmonts, i will look for other characters for representation
Snake Classic Mode that mimics the Shadow Moses Incident
1. Mii Gunner - Revolver Ocelot
2. Metal Greninja - Gray Fox
3. Mewtwo - Psycho Mantis
4. ZSS - Sniper Wolf
5. Giant Falco - Vulcan Raven
6. Giant Rob - Metal Gear Rex
7. Snake - Liquid Snake
Here are my ideas on fixed final battles or additional bosses:
*Fox/Falco:* Marx (to represent Andross and also another Space-themed battle)
*Ness:* Giant Mewtwo on Onett omega form (replicating Giygas' 1st form)
*Peach:* Giga Bowser on Peache's Castle omega form (removing Bowser from one of the battles before)
*Dr. Mario:* One red, blue, and yellow Bowser (to represent each color of the viruses from Dr. Mario)
*Pichu:* Marx (he technically is the lightest boss of all bosses excluding Galeem)
*Roy:* Ganon (because he's the only boss with swords)
*Wario:* Giga Bowser
*Sonic:* Roy Koopa or Galleom (To reference Dr. Eggman)
*Ike:* Giant Black Knight Mii Swordfighter on Castle Siege omega form
*Villager:* Marx (due to his innocent appearance before his transformation)
*Shulk:* Galleom (to reference the robot-like enemies in Xenoblade)
*Greninja:* Incineroar right before Dracula (to represent Dark Type)
*Palutena:* Ganon (alongside some tiny Pits and Dark Pits on your side to represent the Centurions from Kid Icarus)
*Richter:* Crazy Hand on the Castlevania omega stage regarding difficulty level (Crazy Hand is basically the Echo of Master Hand)
*Banjo + Kazooie:* Bayonetta right before Master + Crazy Hand (to reference Gruntilda)
Let me know if there are any other ideas for unique bosses👍
Did you take information from Odyssey Central? It kind of reminds me of that.
@@emoji3266 some of it. He's got some fire ideas ngl
falco's classic mode was pretty lame. it was "soar above the darkness", and he fights dark characters. not only does it have nothing to do with falco as a character, but it was already done by other characters. instead, his classic mode should have been called "personally, I prefer the air", referencing his line in brawl, which it's self is a reference to star fox 64. in this route, all of falco's opponents would have wings and all the stages would take place high in the sky. he could fight pit and dark pit in skyworld, metaknight on the halberd, charizard on pokemon stadium 2's flight variant, duck hunt on pilot wings, ridley on corneria, then team up with fox and fight wolf on venom as a reference to star fox 64. and then the boss is rathalos, because rathalos has wings.
Bayonetta's route already covers the winged characters theme.
Idea for a reworked Bowser's classic mode: "Showtime!"
This classic mode features fighters that represent bosses that Bowser fights in Bowser's Inside Story
Stages 1-6 play Tough Guy Alert!
Stage 1: Donkey Kong (Color 8) on Spiral Mountain to represent Midbus
Stage 2: Giant Duck Hunt (Color 7) on Tortimer Island to represent Broggy
Stage 3: Min Min (Color 6) on Garden of Hope to represent Wiggler
Stage 4: ROB (Color 2) on Omega Golden Plains to represent Tower of Yikk
Stage 5: Ridley (Color 2) om Omega Spear Pillar to represent Super Peach's Castle
Stage 6: Meta Knight (Color 5) on Dracula's Castle to represent Dark Fawful
Boss Stage: Either Bowser (Color 8) on Prism Tower at the very top of the tower or Giga Bowser with The Grand Finale playing in the background.
Thoughts?
Snakes classic mode could be changed into the actual boss fights from MGS1, starting with Fox as Revolver Ocelot (like in World of Light), Sheik as the Cyborg Ninja, Mewtwo obviously Psycho Mantis, Rosalina as Sniper Wolf, maybe Ganondorf or another heavy fighter as Vulcan Raven, and here's where we twist things a little, a fight against the other Snakes, Tiger Stripe Snake as Big Boss (MGS3), Wolf as Solidus Snake (MGS2) and Ken as Liquid Snake (MGS1), then the Galleom fight of course, but with male Corrin as an assistant to represent Raiden (from MGS2)
Man that new ROB route is awesome! I loved Subspace in all it's insanity and I really think a route like this would be right up Sakurai's alley! Great work!
Bowser Junior New Route: When I'm Older...
Fights against child and adolescent
characters, each battle increasing in age.
Battle 1: Pichu, called a "Baby Pokémon". On Pokemon Stadium.
Battle 2: Young Link, age 9. On Great Bay.
Battle 3: Lucas and Ness, age 12 and 13, respectively, on Onett.
Battle 4: Roy, age 15, on Castle Siege.
Battle 5: Little Mac, age 17, on Boxing Ring
Battle 6: Shulk, age 18, on the battlefield form of Gaur Plain
Boss: Mario on Delfino Plaza, references the full line the title of the route is based on; "...when I'm older, I wanna fight that Mario, again!". To compensate for a plain 1v1 being the boss of this route, Mario much more difficult than normal, regardless of a chosen difficulty.
Absolutely love these ideas!
i think that richter classic mode could use some change. The theme could be "The Wip's memory", and it would see Richter against all of the mainline belmonts/castlevania protagonists in stamina battles. For the first one, a battle against a richter with Leon's alt (the white and red one) with "Lament of innocence" as the song amd castle siege as the stage. Next a battle against a simon with his yellow alt, a Zelda with the blue alt and a red shiek (and alucard as an assist if it works) to reference Trevor's party in Castlevania III with beginning in the background and dracula's castle as the stage. After that, a battle against Simon Belmont with "Simon Belmont theme" from super Castlevania IV with reset bomb as the stage, then a battle against a richter with the red alt and a yellow alt Chrom to reference Juste Belmont and Maxim with awake in the background (to reference another gba castlevania game) and kalos league as the stage. After that a battle against a mii sword fighter with a black pirate suite and blonde long hairs to match Alcuard's appereance and a green alt palutena to reference Maria, and the tragic prince as a music and unova league as the stage. After that a battle against a red alt Richter and a blue alt zelda in spear pillar with "ripped silence" as the music, to reference the battle against richter you need to take in order to use the vampire killer in Portrait of ruin. After that a battle against a richter with the yellow alt to reference Julius belmon, with "heart of fire" as background music and bridge of eldin as the stage. Lastly, replacing Dracula, a battle against a Richter with the dark blue alt, in dracula's castle and with divine bloodlines as the background song, to reference his battle in Symphony of the night, with alucard's assist trophy and smash balls as the only item spawning to make it more accurate. Hope you'll like my idea and sorry for my bad english
Meta Knightmare - Meta Knight
Ally is a Green Marth in all fights, referencing Blade Knight
- Big Pirahna Plant and King Dedede in the Boxing Ring, referencing Whispy Woods and King Dedede
- Big red Falco and four small yellow Falcos on Skyloft, referencing Dynablade and her children
- Two Big brown Kirbys in the omega form of Great Cave Offensive, referencing Wham Bam Rock
- R.O.B, a blue Robin, Meta Knight and a red Charizard in hazardless Magicant, referencing Computer Virus
- Multiple coloured Yoshis in Northern Cave, referencing Chamelo Arm
- Meta Knight with the Galacta Knight alt in Final Destination
"Hey, Hands, Leave these kids alone!" said Byleth, commanding their students to fight.
I'd like to see a Game and Watch classic mode that focuses entirely on handheld history rather than general gaming. We have Pac-Man for that and Game and Watch is important to handheld gaming in particular.
About the assist trophy thing with byleth, it is possible, as in ness' classic mode, only jeff and starman will appear
My Sonic's classic mode rework:The name of the mode is:The classical throwback. And in this classic mode Sonic will go through his past games.
Round 1: Battle against Roy the coopaling on Green hill Zone, representing the first boss in Sonic the hedgehog 1
Round 2:Boss fight against Galleom with the Fox(or Mii gunner Tails costume) Ally, This represents Death egg robot from Sonic 2, and Fox represents Tails The Fox
Round 3:Battle against Red Capitan Falcon on Windy Hill Battlefield form, with Angel island music playing in the background, this represents Knuckles the Echidna, and Windy hill represents Angel Island zone
Round 3: Fight against Metall form of Sonic on the Omega New Pork city, This represents Metall Sonic, and stage represents Stardust Speedway bad Future from Sonic Cd, where You fight metall sonic in the original
Round 4:Fight against Blue inkling on the Forcide stage with Open your Heart music, this represents Sonic Adventure and the Chaos Fight from that game
Round 5:Fight against Giant King K Rool on some space stage (idk wich one to chose) with the Shadow the hedgehog Assist Trophy apearing in the beginning of the Round, and Live And learn music, This represents Bio Lizard from Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow assisting is a referens to the original where Shadow assisting in this fight
Final Round:Team battle with Fox(or mii gunner Tails) And Red Little Mac against Dr. Mario Red variant and Metall Sonic on the Meta Knight ship(forget the stage name sorry) with Sonic heroes music playing in the background, This referensing Sonic Heroes, the stage referensing Final Fortress, Dr. Mario-Dr. Eggman
Metall Sonic - Neo Metall Sonic, then fighting a Giant Meta Ridley representing Metall Madness/Overlord from Sonic Heroes
Phew..... That was long
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Idea: Change marios to " reclaiming the throne " and have it be a retelling of Mario Land 2, and have it end with a wario (with his land skin) that uses mega mushrooms bc wario was taller back then
Your ideas are pretty cool, I wish those could be in the game
Here was my idea for Byleth's Route. I like the idea of recruiting your children to fight at the end tho.
Byleth’s Classic Mode Route is now Post-Timeskip. In this route, Byleth awakens after a long slumber, discovering WOT some Fighters have been up to since their respective timeskips.
Round 1 - Vs. Ike, in reference to Radiant Dawn.
Stage - Castle Siege.
Round 2 - Vs. Link, in reference to BTOW
Stage - Great Plateau Tower.
Round 3 - Vs. Young Link, in reference to Ocarina of Time.
Stage - Hyrule Castle.
Round 4 - Vs. Pit, in reference to the Three Year time skip in Kid Icarus Uprising.
Stage - Reset Bomb Forest.
Round 5 - Vs. Sonic, in reference to the Bad Futute in Sonic CD.
Stage - Midgar.
Round 6 - Vs. Villager, in referecing to the time skipping exploit in Animal Crossing games.
Stage - Smashville.
BOSS: Vs. Ganon
The use of the pictochat stage in Byleths route is a clear reference to children using pictochat in school instead of learning.
Here's my idea for Ken. I saw the last video and while I respect the idea, I think this one would fit a bit better:
Go Home and be a Family Man (a quote from Guile from SF2 and the fact that Ken is father to his son Mel).
Ken would fight every character on the roster that is cannonically a dad in game. (so no Fox as he only becomes a dad during one ending of Star Fox Command, a game we still want to purge from our minds).
1. Chrom (Father of Lucina)
2. Male Robin (Father of Morgan)
3. Terry (Adopted Father of Rock Howard)
4. Male Corrin (Father of Kana)
5. Kazuya (Father of Jin Kazama)
6. Bowser (Father of Bowser Jr.)
7. (Boss) Dracula (Father of Alucard)
I think the only change I would do in those reworks would be the order of Sephiroth's final fight. Aerith first, followed by Tifa, then Barret, and finally Cloud.
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Something I noticed in the menu of Smash Ultimate, is that the picture they use for the tips menu feels outdated now that Byleth is in the game. It shows Robin teaching a group of kids, which worked well enough for the time, but it feels wrong now that there is someone in the game whose job is teaching children. I guess it still KIND OF works, because Robin is a tactician, but still, Byleth fits there so much better.
Ironically, Disney was very open to having their characters appear in Smash. It was Sakurai who didn’t want non-video game elements in the game, which I really respect. Really committing to that stance despite the money he could have made
9:00 I 100% agree that there should’ve been a whole boss rush mode using the mechanics of Sephiroth’s classic mode. And as a bonus, include Galeem and Dharkon as well.
Excellent job.
We need a Classic Mode+ someday. Even though it might never happen, but I can still imagine.
One main change I would add across the board is add in more assist trophies act as Bosses. Considering there are spirit matches where taking fighting a specific assist trophy is an objective, it should be within the teams tools to do this if they thought of it.
Considering Smash Ultimate is the first game where Assist trophies can be knocked out it would feel pretty cool to have specific dedicated rounds to fight some of them.
Adding the Black Knight & Mother Brain Assist Trophies in particular feels like they can really spice up some routes.
If we didn't use the dlc content my idea for Pokemon trainer would be to incorporate the legendary birds. This would be a 3 on 1 featuring 3 falco's or 3 king dedede's in there respective colors
1:41 Pit: I never learned how to READ!!!
Byleth: Read N!&&@, Read!
I think Byleth could have them fight Pokemon Trainer to reference the Pokemon School that appears in every game
I totally agree on what you said for the sephiroth final battle rework, however I also thought sephiroth could have as a full route of fighting off lab rats/abominations (Mewtwo, dark samus, meta ridley + a fight with a bunch of doctor Mario's as to make it seem like a science development team) and make it be called "Project JS training sim". That is my idea for the sephiroth rework route
Luigi Needs To have GHOST THEMED CHARACTERS!!! His Should Be Called ``Exploring The Mansion``
Byleth Classic Mode:
Axes or Tails
Round 1 - VS Simon Belmont
Round 2 - VS King K. Rool/Bowser Jr. (Ludwig Costume)
Round 3 - VS Ritcher Belmont/Steve/Alex (Tennis Costume)
Round 4 - VS ARMS Horde Battle: Min Min/Mii Brawlers (Spring Man/Ribbon Girl/Ninjara Costumes)
Round 5 - VS Zombie/Mii Gunner (Tails Costume)
Round 6 - VS Tails and Axes Horde Battle: Koopalings (All Costumes except Ludwig)/Mr. Game and Watch/Robin (Male)/Corrin (Female)
Final Round - All Fire Emblem Characters VS Ganon
9:40, yes it does, this is the fight to determine the fate of the world (this is the case in like 70% of jrpgs) so it will be the final fight for both, ignoring post game of corse.
I think a small change you could of done for the rob fight was change the stage layout of meta ridley to use the no hazard version of big blue
sure the road is there but you're actually fighting on that aircraft.
For Shulk's Classic Mode Route, I would replace Mega Man with Galleom or Meta Ridley to represent Metal Face. Part of me wishes Metal Face was an actual boss.
- Byleth: I personally would've made Joker's stage not be Mementos, and instead be one of the ones based on city-like environments such as Saffron City or Fourside, as Mementos is a cognitive space and so it clashes with the school idea a bit. (The Phantom Thieves thing is pretty much done on their free time, again contrasting with the idea that Byleth's route focuses on the school aspect. Other than that, it's pretty solid)
- Greninja: a bit disappointed because I didn't think Plant would be the best idea for accompanying Ivysaur as a trainer stand-in as it's almost like a Pokemon itself, but that might just be my bias since I would've put Daisy there since she's a flower expert (it's in the name lol. Effects as well). Even funnier would be a case of having both. XD (Ultimately I do understand it, though, especially given Charizard in another round is accompanied by freaking Bowser and not, y'know, Mario or Roy or Ken, humans who just so happen to have fire powers)
- ROB: a great idea, though I would argue that in Subspace, ROB didn't exactly take orders from Wario or even Bowser, really just Ganondorf as far as we know, so while everything else is amazing, I would've made the final round be against a giant red Ganondorf (and maybe a bunch of easy-to-launch mooks?) on Frigate Orpheon omega, referencing his hologram in the ROB reveal cutscene (with the mooks representing the impending mob fight afterwards)
- Pokemon Trainer: same as with Greninja, though I'd argue Daisy would help make the Eirika parallel even stronger (both in default and green alts) by giving it a more physical ressemblance. Everything else is great however.
- Sephiroth: to be fair, having a fight or two be the exception to the general theme is not really a big offender, several routes do it especially for the sake of reference. If anything, it adds some meat to the route, and I actually really like this idea (though it is a shame about the Miis's looks. '^^).
Sonic should fight Galleom (however it’s spelled). The hand thing kind of makes sense since he’s fought Eldritch horrors before, but Sonic’s main big bad is eggman. There are far more instances of him taking down big mechanical robots.
It would also be cool to see a Snake route either based on the game MGS1 or just a highlight of iconic fights throughout the series (The Boss, Liquid, Ocelot in MGS4, etc). Snake’s classic mode theme was a lot of fun, but I think it would be cool to see this too. His original classic mode final boss can remain the same or serve as a penultimate depending
I think that instead of pkmn trainers gym type route It would be more interesting to have somewhat of a trainer battle going on
Name: head on battle!
Fight one: would be a pikachu (any alt) and younglink (alt 6)
Fight two: pichu(can be changed) with wario (alt 8) referencing the hikers
Fight three: pichu with isabelle (any alt) referencing the fan girl
Fight four: jigglypuff with peach (third alt, red) referancing the breeders
Fight five: lucario and lucina (4th alt) or min min (7th alt) this one is tough. this references meylene's fight (gym leader) from gen four
Fight Six: mewtwo with palutena (alt 3) referancing the physic trainers
Final fight: Master hand (their really isnt anything else that fits)
Hope people see this, I put a good chunk of time lmao. Their is definatly things that can change but I like the idea of pokemon fighting with their trainers similar to how legends arceus showed it.
Fun fact: Disney didn't have any shenanigans at all, it was Nomura and Sakurai himself the ones who limited the Disney part of Sora
What's kinda funny about Corrin being there is that you can technically call their spear attack a Lance
Sora being in Byleth’s Classic Mode doesn’t make sense since Sora was the last DLC character to come out after Byleth.
One fix I would like to see to Classic Mode is the 3 2 1 Go opening countdown from VS mode. That's how 1P mode was in Smash 64 and I hate how so much was changed for the worse since Melee.
not a fix just old
@@TheKitKatThe Well I want the old for consistency's sake!
@@victorromero8010 things change it's pretty simple
Lucas' route should be a reference to chapter 7 of Mother 3, The Seven Needles
Round 1: Giant Pink Yoshi on Luigi's Mansion, reference to Oh-So-Snake and Osohe Castle, the first needle's location
Round 2: Bowser (or Ridley) on Distant Planet, reference to Ultimate Chimera and Murasaki Forest, the second needle's location
Round 3: White Donkey Kong on Summit, reference to Steel Mechorilla and Snowcap Mountain, the third needle's location
Round 4: Wario on Brinstar Depths, reference to New Fassad and Fire Mountain, the fourth needle's location
Round 5: Three Robs on Spiral Mountain, reference to Barrier Trio and Tanetane Island, the fifth needle's location
Round 6: Three Mii Gunners and Mega Man on Gerudo Valley, reference to Pigmasks, Masked Man and Argilla Pass, sixth needle's location
Final Round: Against Mega Man, then Lucas with alternative costume similar to Claus on Northern Cave, reference to final fight against Masked Man and Cave of the Future, the last needle's location
For Ridley: Orphan Maker
He’d fight characters with a parent-child relationship, but he would only need to kill the character that represents the parent.
Chrom and Lucina, Pikachu and Pichu, Dr. Mario (representing Dr. Light) and Megaman, Heihachi (Mii fighter) and Kazuya, Rosalina and Luma, and Giga Bowser and Bowser Jr. The final battle would, of course, be against Samus with the Metroid assist trophy.
We need more
“We’re gonna make blyth a teacher so -“
I think I like this guy already. His simple
I have a few ideas i had in mind for classic mode ideas. One was Fighting a giant Enderman in the Dive into the Heart Section with tiny Mr. Game and Watches with Fragments of Sorrow, referencing The beginning segment to The original Kingdom Heart tutorial.
Another was for Terry,a route based on his arcade run in the first Fatal Fury,with some ideas that plays on some of the later FF games. However given the set up,I couldn't make the order be exact with the actual run since we don't have all the tracks. But I can try to make it fit as a Fatal Fury Run. The Route of the name being called "Hey, Come On!" "Fatally Furious" Or "Let's Go to South Town".
Stage 1:Blonde Alt Pit (Andy), Skyworld Omega (Looks like Italy I guess), Pasta (Andy's Stage theme)
Stage 2:Yellow Alt Male Wii Fit Trainer (Joe Higashi), Kongo Jungle Omega (Close to his Stage), A New Poem that The South Thailand Wants to Tell (Joe's Stage Theme)
Stage 3:3v3,Pit and Wii Fit help you in this fight (Team Southtown in KOF '94), Red Alt Kirby, Red Alt Sheik, Red Alt Greninja (Team Women Fighters Yuri, King, Mai), New Donk City Omega (It reminds me of the London stage from KOF 94), Ne! from KOF '94 (Their Team's theme.)
Stage 4:Blue Alt Incineroar (Raiden), New Pork City Omega (Very close to his home stage), Tarkun and Pikun (Raiden's/Big Bear's Stage Theme)
Bonus Stage
Stage 5:King Dedede (The closest I could think of to reference Billy Kane), Moray Towers Omega (It's close to his home stage), London March (Billy's Stage Theme)
Stage 6:Ganondorf or Kazuya (Geese Howard), Fourside Omega (Very close to Geese Tower besides New Donk City or Moray Towers. This stage just fits the almost end fight), Soy Sauce for Geese Fatal Fury Special (Geese's Stage Theme)
Final Stage:Orange Alt Ryu,Yellow Alt Ken, or Mii Brawler with Ryo Sakasaki's Mii Outfit (Ryo Sakasaki's Secret Dream Match in Special), Mishima Dojo (Kyokyugen Dojo), Art of Fighting Ver 23000000. 0 (Ryo's Theme in FF Special)
One change I would make to Roy’s classic mode is make the route’s boss Ganon. Roy’s classic is titled *A Journey of Swords* so it would have been perfect for him to fight Ganon who uses two swords.
“Everyone who wears glasses loves school.”
Me (Who still has PTSD from his days in public school.): Welp time to get LASIK.
Dark Samus' Classic Route Should be: Dark vs Light
Round 1: Dark Samus vs Sora
Round 2: Dark Samus vs Link
Round 3: Dark Samus vs Young Link
Round 4: Dark Samus vs Zelda
Round 5: Dark Samus vs Palutena
Round 6: Dark Samus vs Rosalina and Luna
Bonus Game
Final Round: Dark Samus and Ridley vs Master Hand and Crazy Hand
0:27 He's Hacking! He's Hacking!
"Master Byleth! There are too many of them! What are we going to do?"
In terms of changes I'd implement, I'd make Wario's final fight a Dr. Mario 64 reference where he fights Dr. Mario who becomes Metal Dr. Mario upon being KO'd and the same goes for Dr. Mario where he fights Wario who soon transitions into a fight against Dracula, referencing Vampire Wario. For Sonic, I'd make his final fight against Galleom since it's the closest to a mech Eggman would use against him and perhaps the Assist Trophies can be Knuckles & Shadow as well. Finally, if I could change Fox's final battle, I'd make it a Giant Green Charizard as a reference to his Subspace fight against Rayquaza or a 2 on 2 where he and Falco fight against Bowser and Giant Diddy Kong.
Classic mode looking good
Alright I had an idea for Kirby but it’s quite long and has a lot of explaining so here goes
The name of this route is “Super star brawl” and each of the battles represents one of the main sub-games from Kirby super star. I felt it fitting given how much smash references superstar and how important of a game it is in general to the Kirby series.
-Starting with dedede in boxing ring representing spring breeze as he’s the final battle in it (his theme will obviously be playing)
-Next round is the gourmet race battle but since I already used dedede before it, the battle references his old classic mode route by having Kirby fight 2 other big eaters that may compete in a gourmet race (Yoshi and wario respectively). Only food items will spawn and you’ll start out the battle a little damaged like in the old classic mode. Stage is dreamland 64 with gourmet race 64 playing
-Next you fight a giant red falco to reference dybablade, with falco being the dynablade stand in. The fight is on gerudo valley (or any other mountain like place) with the Kirby boss medley playing
-After that is the great cave battle in a free for all where you fight opponents that represent each of the great cave bosses (blue K Rool for fatty whale, rob for CV, green greninja for chamelleo arm and dk for wham bam). Don’t worry, the fight is on battle field great cave with obviously the great cave song playing
-Next is revenge of meta knight. I don’t think I need to explain what the battle is here. Only other thing of note is that sword items will spawn and it’s on halberd with the appropriate song
-Lastly, the round before the boss references the arena mode. More specifically you fight a hoard(?) of fighters in order, each spawning in once you defeat the previous one like in Terry’s classic mode referencing how they appear in their respective battle in the arena mode. The fighters are stand ins for the midbosses from super star (or atleast only the ones who have a spirit battle). The order being blue Yink for poppy bros Sr-> iceys for Mr.Frosty-> Pac-Man for chef Kawasaki-> Ridley for Bugzzy-> and Purple DK for bonkers. You will be paired up with a blue ryu as a knuckle Joe stand in referencing the helpers you can spawn in. The battle is on the colosseum stage since it looks like the stage you fight the midbosses in during the arena and the song is a battle of friends and bonds
-And with this new classic mode theme, Marx as the boss is now an even more perfect fit, as he’s the boss of the final important sub game Milky Way wishes and of superstar as a whole, doesn’t get more perfect than this
What would be another good idea for rob’s final battle would be galleom which was a boss from subspace emissary in brawl
To be fair…Pit is learning how to read those inputs XD.
While I do like Greninja’s classic route, it would have worked for any Pokemon fighter, really. I’m a little shocked we didn’t get a simple, water-themed route for it, considering the number of stages and characters that involve water in some way. I would have Steel Divers spawn in all fights at a low rate, since they’re submarines.
1. King K. Rool, an aquatic crocodilian, on Kongo Falls. BGM: “King K. Rool/Ship Deck 2”
2. A full Turf War team of four Inklings, two dark blue and two light blue, on just the water transformation of Pokemon Stadium. They don’t fight with water, but the characters of Splatoon are all based on aquatic life. BGM: “Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros.)”
3. Toon Link, in his blue costume to reference the Zora Tunic, on Pirate Ship. BGM: “Great Sea/Menu Select”
4. Mario and Bowser Jr. on Delfino Plaza. There’s only one water attack between the two, but this represents the oceanic setting of Super Mario Sunshine. BGM: “Ricco Harbor”
5. Corrin, the water dragon, on Great Bay. BGM: “Filled With Hope”
6. And of course, Greninja and Squirtle as Smash's resident Water-types, on the Flood Chamber transformation of Kalos Pokemon League. Greninja wears the green Politoed outifit, but switches to the default skin if the player is green. BGM: “Battle! (Dialga/Palkia) / Spear Pillar,” since Palkia is itself a Water-type Pokemon.
7. Bonus Stage
8. Unfortunately, none of the bosses feature water in their attacks or backgrounds. Master Hand is the best option, since its paint ball attack at least ties it in the with the Inkling battle earlier. BGM: “The Keeper of the Lake,” music from an underwater boss fight in Hey! Pikmin.
Came up with another: I thought of a fun idea for Sheik, since her classic mode is pretty similar to R.O.B.’s. Since Sheik teaches Link what songs to play in Ocarina of Time, we could theme her classic mode around the stages that have special music interactions!
Classic Mode: A ˅ ˄ A ˅ ˄
1. Ice Climbers on Summit, with “Ice Climber (Brawl) as the BGM. This song syncs with the stage’s animation; they both loop at the same time, and the tone changes between the stage being at the top of the glacier and when it drifts through the sea.
2. Wario and Mr. Game & Watch on Gamer, with “Gamer” as the BGM. When “Gamer” plays on this stage, it cuts in and out to facilitate the jump scares and fake-outs in the stage’s background.
3. Ryu on Suzaku Castle, with “Ryu Stage Type B” as the BGM. When the tracks that are direct rips from Street Fighter titles play on this stage, the song switches to a “critical version” when one player or team is nearing defeat, or when time is running out.
4. Kirby and King Dedede on Dream Land Game Boy, with “Kirby’s Dream Land Retro Medley” as the BGM. As the stage transitions between different locations, the medley changes to match. Oh, and let’s put Kirby and Dedede in their retro, greyscale costumes to match the stage!
5. Captain Falcon on Port Town Aero Dive, with “Port Town” as the BGM. When the SNES rips from F-Zero play on this stage, the music is delayed until after the announcer says “Go,” mimicking the point when the music starts during races in F-Zero games.
6. Bonus Stage
7. A horde battle on New Donk City hall, featuring all the Super Mario Odyssey characters who appear in Smash: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, and a Mii Brawler in the Toad costume. BGM: “Jump Up, Super Star!” On this stage, the individual musical elements have to be added by fighters touching the musicians during gameplay.
8. Giga Bowser on Super Mario Maker Ω form, with “Style Switch: Ground Theme” as the BGM. This song switches between the ground themes of different Mario games to match the stage as it changes between graphics. Giga Bowser does appear on Ω form stages in some real Classic Modes, so I’m pretty sure this would work.