JJ Redick Says the 90s Were "WATERED DOWN"... Is He Right?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
- A response to JJ Redick for claiming that the 1990s were watered down, due to the expansion of the league.
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Does JJ have a point?
No.
he talks non sensical stuff most of the time and idgaf about his statements what matters is Jordan being discussed after being out in the league for decades only solidifies his GOAT status further more 💁🏻♀️💯🥰
No he doesn't. His attempted point is hurt further by the majority of terrible records in nba history have happened over the past 21 years. Expansion has less to do with talent available and more to do with financial viability. The raptors in 96' still had a better record than the spurs this year
He's 100% right
To an extent sure, the talent is less concentrated. This is an argument that I believe both Wilt and Russell made to Jordan directly.
I don’t think it’s really anything notable though, as the change of the floor of the league doesn’t really effect the ceiling.
Just make JJ the lakers head coach already! So he and bron bron can get the reality check that they need.
I wonder how JJ will talk of Lebron after Lebron Scapegoats him and gets him fired. :D
Like changing coaches is gonna help. The roster stinks. Maybe if they get Giannis......
@@greggibson33 "Maybe if they get Giannis......"
Instead of Lebron? That would be awesome.
@@Zett76 That's the only way Lakers can compete. The West is brutal.
Hell nah I want Bron gone so I can be a Laker fan again
“I don’t care about the GOAT debate but let me discredit the other GOAT candidate”
Irony....
Lebum ain't even top 5 hell he's not even top 8
Exactly!
You can not care to establish a certain player as the GOAT but encourage people to be fair with their criteria
@JesusisLorddeusvult sure 40k/10k/10k and 4 mvps 4 rings 4 fmvps and 20 all nbas and 20 all stars and 6 all defensive teams is not even top 8.
JJ Reddick "I don't care about the goat debate"
Spoiler alert he cares
“I’m not talking playoffs”
Ok redick, then why does it matter?
Exactly. That means this entire conversation is pointless.
He just wants any excuse to shit on the 90s
Redick has no business talking basketball when he has no respect for it's early years, pioneers, and hall of famers. His predecessors helped grow the sport so that spoiled nobodies like him could play.
he wanted to clarify that the top tier competition was still top tier and sound like he was slighting that era. But emotional ppl are gonna get in their feelings regardless
well the regular season determines playoffs and he did emphasize “a little bit”
JJ Redick seems to be another Lebron advocate now
Gotta kiss up for that Lakers gig
Jordan is now the goat 🐐
Replace 'seems to be' with 'is.'
@@ellemarr7234 so true
@@ryancruz3143 I agree
Isn't he also making this point toward someone who literally co-carried one of those expansion teams with Penny to a Finals appearance and multiple deep playoff runs??
😂I was thinking the same thing.
Valid point, although most teams were still losing a lot for a number of their first years in the league. Magic were more of an exception
The Magic got real lucky pulling Penny and Shaq, along with good moves to get Dennis Scott and Horace Grant. But there were several new teams in Jordan's prime right before he started winning titles.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 Yep. MJ never faced a super team in the finals. Fact. And i think Bron is a douche.
@@greggibson33And Lebron faced a superteam once while being on a superteam himself and was swept twice by the team the Rockets with CP3 and Harden went to game 7.
He was the plumber that he claims that Jordan played against in his time.
Bruh he's one of the top 3 point shooters of our time
@Akashic85 He could shoot 3's... big deal.
He's a career roleplayer talking down on hall of famers like he's somehow above them.
He was drafted in 2006.
@@TheBamaPrinceableTHANK YOU
like bro I get it JJ reddick made it
And he can say he was in the NBA which is more than I ever could ,
But holy fuck the dude talks as if he was some game changer
Social media has gotten to his head.
Redick has no business talking basketball when he has no respect for it's early years, pioneers, and hall of famers. His predecessors helped grow the sport so that spoiled nobodies like him could play.
I just KNEW you’d break this down. Thanks Jonny!
If a fan does not appreciate the history of their sport and when you devalue legends of the past, are they truly a fan of the sport they watch?
This 💯
In 1996, the raptors had a 21-61 record. In 2024, the Pistons were 14-68, the Wizards were 15-67, and the Blazers were also 21-61. It seems the second worst team from the expansion year was better than some from "the most talented era".
first of all you took the 2nd worst expansion team. secondly nothing you said anything to do with 6 lottery teams with players full of scraps from other teams being added while he was in his prime 💀
@@matthewhyman2208 the worst expansion team was still better than the worst team from this year.
Difference is today's teams are TRYING to lose... 90s they weren't
@@codyeble6764 Purposefully bad is better than just bad?
incredibly ironic coming from jj redick, if he was a player in the 90s hed be saying that a player like that wouldnt make it today
And the guys saying that from back then are wrong
well we’ll never know that, because hes not a player from the 90s
Redick has no business talking basketball when he has no respect for it's early years, pioneers, and hall of famers. His predecessors helped grow the sport so that spoiled nobodies like him could play.
The 2010s era is gonna go down in history as the softest, most entitled diva era in nba history
Reddick is right. Anyone else disagreeing are in their feelings. Never trust Nostalgia bugs.
One argument that JJ and others skim over a lot is how 2016, the year everyone claims made Lebron the goat, was a watered down year. You had 5 good teams that year (Warriors, Cavs, Thunder, Spurs, and Raptors) and the rest garbage. Yes Golden State went 73-9, but do you know who went 10-72? The tanking Sixers. Hell I’m a Blazer fan and 2016 was supposed to be a rebuilding year for them yet they somehow got the 5th seed that year. Don’t tell me 2016 wasn’t watered down. I think the NBA stopped being so watered down in 2020, which Lebron only has 1 title (bubble). JJ’s argument is beyond stupid.
This is the same guy that said De’aaron Fox couldn’t shoot. His takes are so bad. And he was a “Plumber “ himself.
Because he couldn't shoot. Not at first
he wasnt a plumber, its also a fact that old NBA players were literally plumbers...
@@SuperSikarlo if that’s a fact then it’s a fact that you’re delusional
He was a 15 year vet.
This channel is damn near just becoming a hub for old heads
@@SuperSikarloif it’s a fact find me 20 nba players in all of its history you can find that were legitimately plumbers since you claim it’s a fact
The irony is Reddick wouldn’t have been in the league with only 23 teams.
He would have. The Bulls in Jordan's era had dogwater players, like Paxon and Kerr, who would NOT have been drafted or signed in today's league.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 this clown just said the guy with the highest 3pt% in history wouldn't make it in the 3pt era 🤡
If Kerr, Paxson, Legler Jon Barry, Hubert Davis, Jud Buechler, make the league. JJ is. You just being emotional.
Expansion didn't water the NBA down. It stopped the best teams having stacked teams. It also gave more players a chance to make the grade. So many great players were forced overseas before this.
JJ is a red dick for saying that. Sick of the media.
That’s literally what watering down is. Same thing as how demonstrating how stacked the Celtics were in the 60’s, and how they benefited from trades not existing
The fact there is 11 likes on your post is sad
@@Jonathan-A.C.
I meant it evened the league out.
@@Jonathan-A.C.that's not what it is at all lol
Did expansion really do that, though? It didn't stop the LeBron Heat. It didn't stop the Warriors death lineup. It didn't stop the Spurs from dominating the West for, like, a decade. Not that Reddick is right, but expansion does not actually address the inequities in markets. No amount of NBA lottery, free agency or salary cap is going to make living in Minnesota more appealing to a NBA star than New York or Los Angeles. No amount of NBA lottery, free agency, or salary cap is going to prevent players from colluding to increase their own marketability in terms of endorsements and appearance fees.
JJ is on the LeBron payroll, so his job is to degrade former greats, especially Michael Jordan, in order to promote LeBron.
The thing is this: The longer LeBron plays, the more it hurts his legacy and elevates Jordan's.
How does it does that? Because it shows you just how great Mike was by the way he accomplished so much in a shorter period of time. LeBron James has been playing since the late 1960's and hasn't achieved what Jordan did.
40k 11k 11k 3-1 1-9 without pippin never carried a team like Lebron
Lmao shut up dude. In no way shape or form does LeBron playing at ALL NBA LEVEL AT 40+ HARM his legacy. This is caping for MJ
@@Jsayoungin That's because if you have to carry a team then you are on the wrong team
@@mac_-mtlmcal So you're encouraging players to hop on different teams every year? I thought y'all said that also hurts LeBron's legacy lol
@@mac_-mtlmcal🎯
The 90s was an awesome era to watch basketball!
Were you a teenager back then? No shade intended, because I was too.
@@ericveneto1593 yeah
Great video as always Jonny. I love how JJ says to Shaq “you played against them” like he wasn’t on one of the expansion teams lol. Also, I’d love to see JJ coach the Lakers so we can watch them lose 60 games
Magic was very much an exception and not the norm to be having a deep playoff contender within years. They got Shaq, Penny, Horace, and Dennis Scott. They had guys for real.
🎯 I said this all in my head but Jonny is here to actually articulate it in a presentable form 🙂😁 JJ is just the latest Narrative pusher of these clowns today desperately and unreasonably trying to discredit anything before 2000s basketball. its pathetic. There has to be respect for the game and history
Using the same thought process, the play in tournament has indeed watered the current era down.
tf? If ahything it has done the opposite
@@Bennet2408 so allowing teams that otherwise wouldn’t even qualify has helped the league? Interesting considering we also have teams winning the inaugural in season tournament losing in form of a gentlemen’s sweep in the first round. Hey #GoOff though.
@@garlandwatkinsobviously. A team that made the play in last year literally made the finals. It encourages more intensity from lower seeding teams that would have normally given up and started tanking in the old days. It makes the end of the season worth something for those young upstart teams
@@garlandwatkinswhat correlation does the in season tournament have to do with the playoffs? It's before the trade deadline, playoff intensity, tight rotations etc.
@@Intr0vertical the in season tournament and the play in tournament are both gimmicks that take away from the league. If the play in is meaningful then you definitely shouldn’t have the in season champion losing after qualifying via the play in. If we are really being honest the in season champion shouldn’t be in the play in if it is also meaningful.
I don't know what Bron promised JJ, but dude is a straight up tool now
There’s no goat debate when it comes to nba historians, Jonny is HIM 🔥
Skap Attack is up there
@@doktor3196 true !
Take it out your mouth. He didn't even play basketball at the youth level, too chubby. Knows nothing on ball. Only knows encyclopedias and BBall Reference stats.
remember when Bill Russell dissed MJ by saying he was lucky that Paxson hit the game winner because if MJ played in the 60s and he wouldn’t be able to pass to John because he’d in the stands. basically saying with the limited roster spots available. John wouldn’t be good enough to make the league (a benefit of having more teams….lesser players can make it). this same sentiment applied to JJ
Looool Bill Russell has to be one of the more overrated players of all time, he’s lucky there were no trades allowed and there were only like 8 teams back when he played 😂
@@Chilltown95 ahhh yes the age ole “he only faced 8 teams” despite the fact that he was facing those 8 teams 14-17 times in the regular season. and with less rosters spots meant ONLY THE BEST OF THE BEST would be playing. not like the 30 teams we got nowadays where players like Jarrett Jack are allowed to play because of the more available roster spots. way to show your age.
@@markjackson6431Russell a Pioneer and has a debate for GOAT for his on court as well as off court contributions against racism amd being a pillar of the black community. Jarrett Jack was nice. If Jarrett Jack in hus prime took a time machine to the late 50s hes dropping 60 pts a game. He's also right about Jaundice Eye Jordan. Lucky bum in the worst offensive era.
JJ Said those players in the 60s were plumbers, could not drible, and would not make a roster today, stop
@@markjackson6431 you tried bro. 80% of players in the 60s wouldn’t even make a roster today 😂 not to mention he had all the best players on his team hence all the rings.
JJ would be a plumber outside of the league in '90's as his skillset would not fit at all.
He's a better Kerr and Paxon. He'd fit in with MJ's Bulls quite well.
JJ has been garnering hate since his Duke days. he’s a magnet for bad vibes. maybe if he toned down the smugness he’d have more fans.
he has a million subs
@@SuperSikarlo hes delusional. delusional people attract each other.
I heard people talking about JJ's podcast. I listened to it once. I didn't even make it the whole way through. JJ is made for ESPN. He is such an ignorant smug bastard.
Redick has no business talking basketball when he has no respect for it's early years, pioneers, and hall of famers. His predecessors helped grow the sport so that spoiled nobodies like him could play.
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Politicians...
Kim kardissian
Shaq agreeing with his is the silliest part. Which team drafted him again? How dominat was he as a rookie? Who'd he play in the playoffs? He's agreeing with saying that he watered down the league.
Shaq soft. Dont know what to do when he confronted, like most your heroes from that era. JJ coulda asked for his girl, he would just nod and watch.
Calling Shaq watered down to his face lol
Shaq sat there and did nothing. Even agreed with him. These are the tough guys you idolize. JJ probably could of had his girl. Shaq would have sat quiet and watched.
This is one of the things I love about your channel! It's almost like dealing with things in real time and you come with the data. Not just feelings lol
JJ's stupid. In the 10 years of the 80s the Dallas Mavericks made the playoffs 6 times. They made the playoffa in their 4th year with players like Mark Aguirre? Rolando Blackman and Brad Davis. They had Detlef Schremf, Dale Ellis, Derek Harper and James Donaldson. That team wasn't garbage. The 80s had to expand because the players were so good and they needed jobs i.e. playing time. That's why the Magic, Heat and the Hornets got so good so quickly. Good players needed some 🔥 burn...you think Mark Aguirre's getting some 🔥 playing behind Larry Bird in the 80's?
JJ's so dumb. He's making his case to coach someday but as GM or an NBA historian? Nah, bruv.
The Mavericks were pretty good, but part of why they were as good as they were was because of the extra draft picks they had that the Cavaliers gave them.
Trading draft picks for players on an expansion team is a dumb idea in my opinion.
This is the problem with these kinds of podcasts. The famous person gets to say an off the cuff, unsupported comment. Then we need guys like Johnny who have a much smaller audience to put things in perspective. And guess which take goes viral. Thanks Johnny for doing the research that talking heads won't do or won't talk about!
When people say I don't mean to sound controversial is like a racist saying, "I don't mean to sound racist."
Here’s a great example of how an initially reasonable take is disproven with proper historical context- thanks Jonny for keepin it real 💯
People like to pretend those 6 expansion teams came into the league all at once instead of spread out over time. There was also a boom of talent at the college ranks plus the Euro pros that were starting to come over, so it's not like those new roster spots were filled with bums.
Two teams came in back to back in 88-89, then two teams came in back to back in 95-96. Yeah, they came in kinda all at once through Jordan's title winning days.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 That is not in any way an objective standard for "all at once" when the last two teams came in 7 years after the middle two. Plus, like Jonny eludes to in the video even if the Raptors and Grizzlies didn't come in at all it's not likely to change much about the Bulls and the rest of the league. I won't argue that the league wasn't at least a little bit watered down, I just think people dramatically exaggerate it and only because of Michael Jordan. If Jordan's Bulls didn't win as many titles or if LeBron had won more to become the GOAT, this most likely doesn't get brought up at all.
@@davidmartinez52420I forgot, throw in 2 more teams in 90 as well. The league was inundated with brand new teams as soon as Jordan and Pippen started making waves.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 No 2 teams in 1990. Just 2 in 1988, 2 in 1989, then the final 2 in 1995(which were finalized before Jordan returned). This way of framing it to make it seem like all 6 of them came in at once is deceitful.
If the 90s were watered down then the league of today os flooded
based on what?
How does that make any sense?
Literally today has the most amount of NBA talent ever
@@Akashic85 the talent looks different when u can't play actual defense and they don't call traveling or carrying....that's why the playoffs look so different these days cause players can't do what they was doing in the regular season...idk why it's so hard to see....Mr King James himself your so called goat says there is alot of players that don't belong in the nba and his son could start in the league when his son ain't even good 😂
@@MakaveliCVWlet's not forget that players in the 90's couldn't shoot past 15 feet which is why they shortened the line for them lmao. Now adays you have players that can pull up from the logo on the regular. I'd like to see those 90's teams try to defend the players of today.
Literally more plsyers in the league today than Jordan's era.
And each Draft became more talented through and through every year. It's hard to keep 450 players in the NBA now because of the talent level.
I don't think the argument is that the Bulls benefited from playing bad expansion teams, the argument is that every team was less good than it would have been because overall basketball talent in the era was being spread more widely across the NBA.
Well, I don't think they cut any teams since then to Lebron's time, so how is that a factor against MJ uniquely?
Wouldn’t that make it more balanced as opposed to stars teaming up together?
Gotta be honest, I’m a Lebron fan, and I mostly like JJ. But honestly, it seems like JJ is straight up on Brons payroll. He may be tipping the conversation a bit, but overall, this Bron JJ linkup might end up hurting more than helping. Especially if JJ ends up coaching the Lakers
Damn it’s so hard to disagree with Jonny 😂
But this video is so dumb. The point isn’t that the expansion teams were bad. The point is they took good players from drafts and free agency which could have been on other teams that Jordan faced in later rounds. That’s why Jordan never faced real super teams and could go 6-0 in the finals, because the talent was spread across more teams. It’s not rocket science.
And yes there are more teams now too but there are way more great players now, as the sport has developed so much since the 90s (hence all these foreign MVP’s for example). So Jordan and the Dream Team promoted basketball to the world, but before all those new talents could come in the existing crop of players was spread across more teams exactly during Jordan’s prime, making every opponent he faced less likely to win the matchup with the Bulls’ superteam. So it shouldn’t discredit Jordan necessarily, but the whole 6-0 crutch is pretty stupid. I’d like to see Jordan’s “elite mentality” against that Warriors team with KD.
The watered down argument sounds as ridiculous as the asterisks they put on Lebron's rings. JJ's point was that you can technically put an asterisk on anything, he wasn't saying that era was garbage. He said this to Shaq, so obviously he wasn't disrespecting the era. He was saying there's slights against MJ's era just like there are against the current.
Basically people need to stop thinking lowlights and flaws in rules or very specific and unique situations can downplay someone's greatness. Jordan is great, Russell is great, LeBron is great. Overall everyone should stop using the goat debate as an excuse to shit on a player who could destroy them 1v1 in a suit in loafers with 0 difficulty at age 40 LoL. Scalebrine made the difference in ability between regular folk and them very clear and people should just compliment the talent without disrespecting them with these takes that revolve around negativity. Be happy and have fun
Th3 fact that jj was on a team... tells u how water3d down the league was...
You say that like sharpshooters aren't a key role in the league
41.5% career 3 pt. shooter. Led the league in 2015 with 47.5%.
@@greggibson33he literally does one thing...damn how does lebron taste, Gregory?
@@slee2695 Never liked LeFraud. I just spit facts. How does Mike taste?
This generation can't be that good if they let you start with a career 12, 2, and 2.
Kenny Smith is a career 12/2/2 and he played in the 90s but go on 💀
Great jab right here, love it
@@noname-hf9ty Kenny had 5.5 assists and 1 steal to JJ's 2 and 0.4 and also shot a higher FG%. Both would be water servers in any era, but Kenny was a decent role player who fit well in Houston's system. JJ was not a good fit and a consistent underperformer in LA; Doc is mocked for giving him and Jamal Crawford so much playing time.
@@RVered oh gee you are REALLY splitting hairs there 😂
Redick has no business talking basketball when he has no respect for it's early years, pioneers, and hall of famers. His predecessors helped grow the sport so that spoiled nobodies like him could play.
Great arguments and video, Jonny! I guess I can see where JJ is coming from, but it is a stretch. As you mentioned, half of the six teams became pretty solid teams - and 69-70 wins would still be a very high level of wins (tied for first at the time with the former and still having the most number of wins with 70).
I'm not a fan of how Redick has often bashed past eras of NBA history either.
As I mentioned in a comment on one of your previous videos, I think there's much to appreciate during each era of NBA basketball.
Have a great week :).
Jordan era "watered down"??? The league expanded because the talent available was ABLE to support more teams. Of the top 160 players of All Time, 81 of them had PRIME YEARS that overlapped with Jordan's career. He played against prime:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Kobe Bryant
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Kevin Garnett
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Moses Malone
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
George Gervin
Isiah Thomas
Artis Gilmore
Charles Barkley
Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
David Robinson
Clyde Drexler
John Stockton
Jason Kidd
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Michael Cooper
Ron Harper
Rod Strickland
Robert Parish
Dominique Wilkins
Gary Payton
Steve Nash
Alex English
Dikembe Mutombo
Vince Carter
Yao Ming
Jack Sikma
Kevin McHale
James Worthy
Alonzo Mourning
Grant Hill
Tracy McGrady
Adrian Dantley
Walter Davis
Joe Dumars
Mitch Richmond
Shawn Kemp
Jermaine O'Neal
Pau Gasol
Tony Parker
Bobby Jones
Dennis Johnson
Sidney Moncrief
Chris Mullin
Reggie Miller
Tim Hardaway
Chris Webber
Chauncey Billups
Bernard King
Bill Laimbeer
Ralph Sampson
Tom Chambers
Alvin Robertson
Mark Price
Anfernee Hardaway
Rasheed Wallace
Ben Wallace
Shawn Marion
Larry Nance
Mark Aguirre
Kevin Johnson
Glen Rice
Richard Hamilton
Bill Walton
Kiki Vandeweghe
Dennis Rodman
Jerry Stackhouse
Stephon Marbury
Antawn Jamison
Baron Davis
Sam Cassel
Ron Artest
40k 11k 11k 3-1 1-9 without pippen MJ never carried a team like Lebron
@@Jsayoungin LeChoke is a professional sandbagging stat-padder. He's made every player around him, worse while they do all the work, carrying him. Jordan had Robin. LeYourFault needs the whole Justice League and still needs ref help just to make playoffs. Not a top 5 player.
You forgot Dražen Petrović, who was better than almost all players that you have mentioned.
@@student99bg Drazen was lethal for 2 years before he died young, but not enough to make any All Time lists. He was nuts tho. Talked trash to Jordan and didn't back down
It seems like every debate that's brought up your outlook is the one I most of the time get and agree with. Thanks for all your work again
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS GUY TO TALK ABOUT THIS 😂 🥲🥲🥲
JJ takes are horrible, he's so disingenuous and clearly has a agenda that he's to afraid to stand on
I never understood the "watered-down league" criticism. The best teams remained the best teams. The additions might have made for easier wins in their first seasons, but they were unlikely to make it to the playoffs. The playoffs were for the usual suspects. Championships weren't won or lost because of those expansion teams.
Is JJ really gonna sit there and pretend that every team in the NBA is competitive? The Hornets, the Pistons, the Wizards, the Spurs, the Blazers, the Nets... As if every team now has an all-star and top-tier talent and coaching.
The minute you touch Lebron, he falls on his back and starts flopping like a fish
As always all your video takes, rebuttals, and disproving all the main stream/pod cast paid narratives are on point!!! Wish all these videos of yours could be played on all the main stream networks (ESPN, FOX Sports 1, etc..)
What about Rodman and Bird’s comments about the league back then ?
Reddick is the biggest Lebron fan, so of course he would say things like these.
I respect the fact that he played many years in the NBA, even though he was mostly a bench guy. But dissing the great Larry Bird and other great legends is where I lose that respect for him
JJ has no point, he has an interest on showing love to LBJ
JJ stands for Jeffrey Jordan. His father named him after the Greaterst NBA player Of All Time.
JJ is acting like Jordan only played against the expansion teams. JJ wants to hype his man's resume. LeBron just played longer. The Mavs didn't play the Bulls when they were an expansion team. How many of those expansion teams did Jordan play against & how many games did he play against them?
Like 6 games a season. JJ and the Lebron stans make points that work if you are ignorant of the History. They are preaching to non-NBA fans, in order to get praise of man.
But in 6 finals he played against ZERO super teams.
@@greggibson33 So you tell me that Bird's Celtics., Magic's Lakers., Malone's Jazz., Payton's Sonics. and Barkley's Sixers weren't superteams ? 🤣 Sop posting BS, kiddo... 🤡
@@Q-bazZ Never faced Bird in finals when they did play Bird never lost a series to MJ. Magic at end of career, no Kareem. Jazz had 2 players, the rest average. Sonics one of the weakest 60 win teams ever, what other superstar did Barkley have? Any other questions?
Your point that the new teams weren't a threat to the bulls and that the other teams would rather have their bj armstrongs back, is exactly what he means by watered down lol
The amount of mental gymnastics people have to do to "prove" Lebron is better 😂
Gotta kiss the ring to become Lakers coach … we see
JJ literally thinks he's better than The Logo, which is endlessly laughable. The only thing clutch about JJ over Mr. Clutch, is his where his paycheck comes from. Ooops, I misspelled Klutch.
80s & 90s were peak NBA.
Too big man focused and not enough offensive versatility. I'd take the 2000's over the 80's or 90's.
"The net was longer in the 90s so it made the game easier so Jordan isn't the goat" - JJ Reddick probably
Mannn JJ grabbing at straws is one thing, to see Shaq sit there n be a part of the nonsense-machine hurts even more... Great video Jonny!
Isn't it crazy how they try to downplay Jordan and his era for years now? I wonder what fanbase, agency and player is behind that? You all know who I'm talking about and let's not act like he doesn't promote it.
Great video
Please correct me if im wrong, but the logic of JJ argument does not make sense. Did the league remain water-down until today since the same number of teams are still in existence?
It being watered down is when those teams are in their formative years, while the expansion and the draft “evens out” the talent in the league. That’s why he said the league would be watered down for a couple years if they added new teams today
Reddick, Ryan Hollins, Nick Wright, & Gilbert Arenas never fail to crack me up when I hear the nonsense spew from their mouths.
Were all going to he laughing once he gets fired from being the head coach of the lakers for not making it to the finals.
While im not a plumber, i have worked for a roofing company, for a landfill and in the woods so i know about hard work. JJ wouldn't make the cut in any of those jobs.
Irrelevant.
@@greggibson33 maybe but JJ routinely calls better ball players than himself firemen and plumbers like that's even a diss. Plumbers are well paid and firemen are generally looked at as heroes, so JJ "disses" players greater than himself calling them occupations that he wouldn't/couldn't be able to do.
@@jarodjohnson4357 I hear you taking it personally. I can't judge that. It's all good.
@@greggibson33 Nah it ain't like that, last thing I'd ever be ashamed of is hard work but I've never had a problem manifesting what I want or need into reality. A 9-5 is just money to invest other places.
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TH-cam, the place where idiot NBA analysts are exposed!
u mean like johhny? man ive been watching his vidoes for like 3 years and he is bias about old basketball and a lot
@josipmarasovic2436 Is that why I made a video saying this current era is the most talented I’ve ever seen?? Lmao.
Maybe I’m not biased for past eras, but MAYBE I actually just know about them, and respect their talent, unlike many analysts and fans today…
@@josipmarasovic2436 johnny drops straight facts on his channel.
@@jonnyarnett so what did i said wrong then?? i just said u are bias about old basketball and most of times i agree but thats just the truth u prefer old players and thats fine. man ive been watch u for long time if i didnt think u are normal person i would not sub or even watch.
@@josipmarasovic2436 u saying he is bias is what u said that was wrong, it's not bias he actually knows about it unlike most people who talk about something they never witnessed which actually makes them bias u can be credible when u haven't seem it but still pretend u know what your talking about
By watered down JJ means the 90s wasn't a one dimensional one trick pony chucking up 3s era.
First, I appreciate your channel. Thank you for all the work you put in to bring context to the league/sport I love to watch.
Now, I think the "watered down" remarks is a way of saying that in the 90's, there was no one else like Jordan in the league and the player who could arguably come close to him, played by his side, so it was easy for Jordan to dominate. Karl Malone was the only other player to average 30 ppg during the 90's.
That was brilliantly worded at the end
the talent in the nba being diluted by a bunch of g leaguers watered down competition. what was wrong with what he said?
Not if those same g leaguers were good enough to make the playoffs. I mean Orlando was an expansion team and they added competition to the league
By his logic isn't having more teams today even more watered down?
TH-camrs do better research than the media and Klutch Sports check recipients.
The lower tier players in the 90s wouldn't make it in today's nba but the stars of the 90s would be just as great today
Jordan didn't get drafted until 1984 so the mavs were 3 years old
JJ was literally talking to Shaq, who was drafted by an expansion team and lead them to a finals run, beating Jordan’s Bulls on the way lol
I would argue that the NBA is watered down NOW not in the 90s with every team in the league playing with the same playbook schemes and focus.
JJ should start working for espn now 🙄
He literally calls games for ESPN
Someone send this to JJ Redick…man needs educating lol
the players at the time said Expansion watered down the league at the start, specifically pointing out the Jazz.
No one talks about how the league was so defensive focused that if you were a good offense guy but subpar defensive, you didnt play. Period. That decreased scoring. The NBA of the 90s could have had more scoring but that is not how coaches ran their rotations
Saying MJ was weaker for playing in an older era is like saying Genghis Khan was a sissy because he didn't have panzer tanks or an airforce.
He was a sissy. 😆
This whole argument expansion=watered down is dumb and 99.9% of the time is made purely to discredit Jordan.
Imagine a player so great that you have to discredit his whole era just to make him look average 💀💀 I love Lebron but come on bruh.. the MJ hate needs to stop, especially when he the goat
JJ Redick is a disgrace for basketball in general
For real all of his takes are just flat out stupid and wrong. He wasn't even that special of a player either yet the clown has opinions on everything.
You have to be a moron to genuinely believe this
You're a moron if you genuinely believe this
considering he does more research than 99% of the NBA fanbase, I think you're wrong.
@@RevisedGames casual spotted
Hey JJ, you can get a job without sucking up to the boss. It might not be the Lakers job but you will walk around with your head held up high.
It’s ironic that only 2 of those teams have titles
Johnny this makes no sense. Why didnt the Bulls protect BJ Armstrong?
So imagine playing in the league with 20 Jokics (skill set) but this league only has one and he’s won 3 mvps…
Most of what Redick says seems like a play for attention.
The big issue is no one nowadays cares to do any sort of research. They just go with whatever is being told to them on these player podcasts! I’ve seen so many videos and comments of kids who know little to nothing about MJ and his career and just repeat the same shit they hear on tik tok about him not using his left
Why isn't the lakers or pistons rings considered "watered" down from 88-90? When 3 teams were added there? It's all bullcrap.
For real, if we pressed JJ, he would probably say yeah, or avoid the question. He's only saying this crap to favor Lebron in the GOAT "debate".
Jonny! You see truly one of a kind :)
I mean is it watered down if you have 6 to 8 teams actively tanking after the first month of the season?
between jordan and lebron's era, Lebron's era is the one a bit watered down because there were teams tanking for multiple seasons vs expansion teams who were trying to win every game.
I haven’t watched the full video yet, but I’ll just say that I do believe the league lowkey was watered down in the 90s because of expansion, but that wasn’t Jordan’s fault. He didn’t control the talent he played against. It shouldn’t take away from what he accomplished, because if so how come the other top players didn’t take advantage of this talent drop and win their own championships?
Yeah, but then they act like Lebron played in a league that wasn't watered down.