they made a whole character whose purpose is to fly out of knockups and another whose purpose is to ult people who are being knocked up knockups are big boy cc
Knock up and silence are powerful imo The only reason silences get swept under the rug is because the people that typically have it will have a short duration BUT playing against Ganesha and Nox will change the way you see it. Knock ups are self explanatory
Agreed, Charon is my favorite god currently, and his silence capabilities help make him so OP. Its incredibly frustrating to be in the middle of your combo and suddenly your buttons don't work. I use it alot to save low hp teammates from being chased down. Often those couple seconds can save their lives.
@@Ottocide exactly,silence is incredibly rage inducing when it's above 1s. The rise of channeling abilities is such bs tbh,you can't do shit if the enemy has a silence.
@samuelsilva8364 this is true however the thing is that stuns are meant to be beads but using beads because of a silence just to confirm a kill,escape,or even engage is just frustrating. Also you can avoid most stuns in the game if you play right,most silences have no real start up time and come out with the instant CC
24:38 cooldowns are slower if I remember correct but the enemy beads and sanc are longer. All of time is slowed for them so even their relic timers are slowed. Actually a pretty cool effect.
So for anyone who is confused about what counts as hard cc and true hard cc, a handy guide I use is displacement. If the cc forcibly moves a character, then that is true hard cc. They are being displaced and for the sake of animation jank, they can’t apply dr to displacement
I think what would make this list better, even if it would add a lot more work, is taking the average duration of each of these effects into account. Because most of the "weaker" effects like a slow or disarm will last longer than a stun. That being said, i mostly agree with the list as a whole, only that silence feels like it should be the bottom of A tier instead.
When I rage about CC, It's stuns, fears, silences, and taunts. In that order. Some of the other CC is annoying, but it makes sense & actually takes some skill to land. The one's I named, though, I feel the game is overloaded with, and they're too consistent. There's nothing worse than dying because you just lost the ability to respond to the enemy. Especially, when it's a full CC team that runs around grouped up all the time, kit dumping on the first person to engage them.
No worse feeling than playing a trash team of CC bots. I can’t tell you how many games I played against bad players that get bailed out because they are full of giant circle CC abilities 😂 they get clapped in lane but are unbeatable when they group
@@shadowmenace1672 It's seriously the worst, especially when they have the nerve to spam laugh/taunt. Like if I could only walk forward, I'd demolish all of you, but the moment I do I surrender control of my character. Then Hirez has the nerve to wonder why certain characters don't get played.
I’d personally say that Time Dialation is S tier since it’s soft cc that can combine with any hard cc including the true hard cc to increase the duration of the cc effects
This is a pretty good video for explaining what each CC does, as well. As a new player, this helps a lot. Tbh, I didn't even know Madness was a thing XD. Thnak you for this!
I feel like even tho slows are very common, they’re also very good, horrific is a pretty common relic for support first for aggression for either pressure or to get kills early, I think they deserve A tier
Great video ! I just had a couples things to say for how id rank them. Mez and banish are very similar and deserve same tier: get ppl out of the fight for setup/peel but can't chain like stuns Tremble slows you by default, and then the small thing making you a bit less controllable: they should not be a tier below slows... or classed with deafened ! (same tier as intox imo) I agree taunt/fear/madness are a bit better but they would go same tier as stuns for me. Or just throw the one in S+++++++ and we good You need a tier between b and c for cripple mez banish cuz they all feel better than c but can't be on same tier as silence imo (at least the cripple lol) You very much have a solo perspective cuz disarm can pretty much halve the dps of most assasins (aa cancels) and then aa assasins exists... poly is situational but it's another small thing. I would say lower than silence fs but better than you made it sound ! but yeah id place it where you did as well.
It's like one of the if not the most useless ability. In a 1 vs 1 it is usually useless and the enemy can go into it if they're literally blind and it's only use is right after the ult which is stupid and lackluster
You know what we need? A knockback/pull interaction chart. Kephri's pull loses against Kuzenbo push, that loses to Herc push. Does sobek pull win againsy herc push?
I remember you made a similar video in the past, and once again I think you way underrated positional CCs, like pull and knockback, those are easily S tier for me, and Vortex should also be at least A if we're counting Hades, if you can bait your opponents escape the vortex is a free kill. At least there's no way it's worse than slow and slip
I thought knock up was the same as knock back, but in the first one you stay in place such as bacchus jump por example, and in the second one you are completely moved (plus being out of the ground thing) like sobek's 2 or kuzenbo ult
They need to change the slow in Chronos 3 to a time dialation just to slightly nerf the cooldowns of other gods... yaknow, being a god of Time and all lol
Thing is , i don t understand how DR stacks work . Like i play ymir sometimes in conq , and i gotta say , if i freeze , they sometimes get out of it in like 0.1 seconds , which is crazy ( without ccr items ) , but sometimes i get perma stunned or whatever from multiple enemies , and can only escape with beads ?
The way it works is: Hard CCs that hit you apply a DR stack (2 for true hard CCs). Each stack reduces future Hard CC durations by 20%. 4 stacks max (80% reduction) and they last 15s. No CC can ever be reduced below 0.4s via DR or CCR though. Ymir freeze base duration is really long so its best as the initiation when no enemies have DR stacks. If they have loads of DR on them already, it stuns for way less time.
slippery surface will forever be S tier for me. Its just a better intoxication-its the lovechild of intoxications and cripples and I hate it with all my heart. I cant pick where im going, and I cannot use my movement to get away from the stinky ice. Skadi ice deserves to be burned
Question. Do people think Hades would be a lot stronger if he got a cripple with his ult? like would he actually be any good, or y'all think he still would be a bottom tier god.
Good video. Informative, amazing, well done all around. Also, can you do an Arena tier list? You've done one for Assault, so I don't think it's a huge stretch to ask for that.
Honestly I play so little arena it wouldn't be that useful I don't think. I would just use general rules like burst and tanks are better and sustained damage and healing is worse.
@@Inters3ct yeah, and Cliodhna/Janus are incomplete gods in arena because it's a wide open space and there's not enough walls for both to use their kit to the fullest potential.
Right now: Sun wukong, tyr, Charon (newly released), geb, Loki (with a decent player), carakan (because of ult great trapper with a good team), slynaus( hidden gem with a good player), xylanbase ( good support chaser) are to name a few that do real good in arena. With the new map, some god's utilities have changed and you have adapt to make them play well. Artio is still good just got to time when you got to get out of battles. But a good god can still be terrible if your teammates are not helping
@@SlayerFan961as someone who plays Cleo way more than I should, who also loves arena, Cleo is actually great in arena, her passive is minimal, yes, but every other part of her kit is so well suited for the “just fight lol” that she tends to do well without her passive (not to mention there are still small places her passive work on, even if just to get the life steal effect on a camp so you don’t have to run back to base after clearing it)
Isn't polymorph considered a true hard cc and is not affected by DR? I think that's what the Smite Wiki says. I would put it in S tier for that reason.
If I'm not mistaken Intoxication also come with a Cripple to prevent movement abilities built in. Having it between Cripple and Tremble is probably the best but Intoxication is probably be better than Cripples since they lose control and their movement abilities for the duration. Also fun fact Maui's 1 and Cabrakhan's Tremors have Vortexes attached to them. I did think Khepri's dash-pull was a grab but realized it had a silence attached to it and you can still basic attack so it isn't a true grab.
The only thing that I will say that gives a stun a one up on a knock up, is that stuns allow immediate follow up damage and that is always guaranteed if you’re in sync with your team. It allows the fastest reaction time. I cannot tell you how many times a knock up ended up saving me from an outrageous amount of damage lol.
For the vast majority of knockups you can hit the airborne targets. Though reading this does make me wonder which, if any, don't allow the target to be hit. At that point they're just a banish.
I have no finished the video, so maybe you change it later on, but I personally believe that Banishes should be higher, while Mezzes should be lower. Banishes have all some-if-not-all the same “pros” listed for roots, silences, stuns, and knock ups, and the drawback of “not target-able” is mostly overshadowed by the pros. And in my opinion Mezzes’ con that they wake up after one instance of damage instantly makes it worse than roots, slows, disarms. One instance is too “varying” in power to warrant it being a pro. Yes it could be a 300dmg Hunter crit or a 1200dmg mage ult, but it could also be a 98dmg Geb knockup, a 72dmg O-Bow spreading strike, or even a 10 dmg minion hit. IMO Banishes are at minimum Low B-Teir maximum Low A-Teir, while Mezzes are Minimum High D-Tier, maximum low B Tier
Kinda want to add on some examples: If Freya’s “woop” was a mez, you wouldn’t fear the CC as much because less guaranteed damage is on your way. If Cupid’s Mez was a Banish you’d never allow yourself to be caught in the ult (as of right now, the mez is so negligible that it can sometimes be more optimal to keep on your path instead, even if you’re going to get Mezzed) Kumba has both a Mez and a Banish, but besides in Pro or too Teir play his Mez is used to set up the banish, not the other way around. Heim has a banish that allows him to (possibly) set up his 1, and his horn, and ALSO weave a basic attack in. A Mez would be MUCH harder to confirm. Apollo’s Mez is so insignificant that many people forget about it (tbf Apollo does not have much follow up besides using his 1 and then possibly AA canceling anyways) but could you imagine an Apollo Banishing you to get a guaranteed ult to safety, even in a teamfight? Ao Kuang’s Banish allows for setting up his 2-3-1 combo, but imagine if that enemy was Mezzed instead and was woken up before the combo was confirmed. All-in-all, I feel that banishes are inherently more valuable to a team (let alone a single character) then Mezzes are.
Stuns > knockups. Even if they can't be DR'd, knockups still prevent abilities from landing. Straight up stuns leave people stationary to be melted. I get you're a solo main so actually gaining DR is easy enough, but if we're talking about effectiveness you have to take every class into consideration. and 3/5 of the classes simply get melted before DR becomes useful.
Even though blinds are pretty useless, they are very very annoying to people with photosensitivity or are just generally sensitive to bright lights. Getting blink blinded by Ra out of nowhere and getting flashbanged irl is not super fun. I really wish there was an option added to make the screen fade to black instead of white, it would make playing against Ra and Ix Chel much less disorienting
Could be interesting tbf. Especially if it was a strong but short lasting effect like 50% but only for a second. Then it still works as setup for your 1.
Fear should be S tier as it's too far ahead of the other A tier CC abilities even though it's technically not the best S tier CC, it should still be in that tier. Otherwise pretty solid.
I think people are going to wish you had put pulls a little higher than you listed only because anyone who has a pull also has some type of other hard cc that makes it a bad time for you. Haha like silv pull into root. Ares pull into cripple. The pull itself isn’t bad but it’s always associated as a bad cc because it’s always accompanied with amother good cc to follow it v
IMO there should be a tier between A and B. You just cant put silence and cripple in the same tier, silence is like cripple but much better. One only stops u from using dash and the other stops every one. Yeah silence applys and gets DR but it is just better anyway. Also you could put mez or disorient in that tier.
This video hurts me because I see the S tier and remember how they ruined Erlang Shen. I want my knock up back, just make his pin a slow instead already
i think you heavily undervalue root. sure it doesnt flat prevent you from taking actions, but theyre typically some of the longer lasting forms of cc and if u get rooted in a 1v1, youre done.
hades vortex is B tier as its a slightly weaker taunt that can be jumped out of but poseidons vortex alone not including the cripple is clearly D tier so I would put vortexes in C tier as the strength of the cc can differ
maybe poseidons vortex is C tier going by your judgement of what the cc does and not how its applied or how long its applied in that case its no different than a slow
I think blinds and vortex should be c. Tremors and deafen have basically no use even in there best scenarios. A blind can stop you from being able to react for a pretty long time and vortez if youve no beads or jump will usually kill you
Vortex I might be inclined to agree but with how blinds are currently implemented they belong in D imo. Ra's is pretty much the only one that fully blocks out your screen, most just obscure it and even Ra's blind only fully whites your screen for like half a second, the rest you can still somewhat see as you come out of the blind.
I think time dilation is B tier. A tier if you’re feeling generous. The only reason it’s good is because it makes OTHER CC’s better. In a vacuum it’s not doing much other than delaying your enemies’ escape.
Idk man I think you undervalue how much fastness matters in a game like smite. Your ult coming out 40% slower or your dash moving 40% slower is a huge deal.
Nah intox and tremble are mechanically different. Intox you can't control yourself at all. Even if you let go of all movement keys you walk in random directions. Tremble just adds noise to your intended movement, you can still move in a general chosen direction, can't with intox. And yeah petrify is just a stun mechanically.
Hot take: Slows should also reduce leap distance of mobile abilities Hot take 2: intoxicate instead of a pseudo tremble, have it override and mess with your controls instead. Such as moving forward will go right or looking left is looking down.
@cockandballtorture59 2: more of a reason that should be added. It simulates the drunk aspect perfectly and forces players to mind their positions especially with controller sensitivity working against you
It's been a while since I collected that data so idrk but the definition of pull Vs grab is sometimes murky. In my opinion if they are tied to your movement it's a grab and if not it's a pull.
So far i got Ares, Atlas, Awilix, Bastet, Cerberus, Da Ji, Fenrir, Khepri, Maui, Mulan, Shiva, Sylvanus, Yu Huang and Susano (i think i have to count Xing Tian tho the wording on his ult says "grabbing")
@@ezecarol11 Shiva is a knockup technically. Pulls are cleanseable as you never leave the ground. Shiva's are knockups. The definitions get kinda murky but mechanically they are knockups. As for Atlas, it's a grab into a knockup. Neither are pulls.
Skadi's 3 makes me want to uninstall. I wpuld rather fight Nox and Khumba in lane together. It is even worse if you accidentally use a directional dash.
I like that they nerfed roots and made them DR-able but they said “nah, Nox shouldn’t be affected by it, we want them to be rooted for the full 2 seconds”. Nox can go suck an egg
To me stuns are the most annoying thing to ever exist in smite because almost every God these days has it built into their abilities and i kid u not I feel like if I don't take beads then death is almost if not certain. It's so annoying >:[
Some roots come with cripples but they're not the same. For example kumbha 2 recently went from just a root to a root-cripple. Artemis is one of those cases.
Idk if I'd say it's busted. There are built in checks like DR and item slows not stacking. In reality it's almost impossible to get anything above a 60% slow even when stacking and there is a movement speed floor that you can't go below. But yeah being able to stack an item slow on top of an ability one is strong for sure.
I think time cc might not be as good as you make it. Its only on 1 ability and the ability is very powerful bcs it affects allies too. Imagine if it was applied single target. Basically olorun ult is very good cc itself not as much.
Yeah there's only one example but that cuts both ways. What if it was added to a basic ability with a 10s cooldown and applied as a debuff not an aura in the area. Could be even more annoying since it doesn't DR.
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Knock up is so powerful that some abilities have a built in immunity to it
So does slow tho
they made a whole character whose purpose is to fly out of knockups
and another whose purpose is to ult people who are being knocked up
knockups are big boy cc
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So does stun, slow, knockback, and probably more
Knock up and silence are powerful imo
The only reason silences get swept under the rug is because the people that typically have it will have a short duration BUT playing against Ganesha and Nox will change the way you see it.
Knock ups are self explanatory
Agreed, Charon is my favorite god currently, and his silence capabilities help make him so OP. Its incredibly frustrating to be in the middle of your combo and suddenly your buttons don't work. I use it alot to save low hp teammates from being chased down. Often those couple seconds can save their lives.
They can't be even with stuns tho since a stun is a silence + disarm + stopping you from moving
@@Ottocide exactly,silence is incredibly rage inducing when it's above 1s. The rise of channeling abilities is such bs tbh,you can't do shit if the enemy has a silence.
@samuelsilva8364 this is true however the thing is that stuns are meant to be beads but using beads because of a silence just to confirm a kill,escape,or even engage is just frustrating. Also you can avoid most stuns in the game if you play right,most silences have no real start up time and come out with the instant CC
silence is weak, a stun, knock up, mesmerize, taunt, anything that stops you from playing is stronger than not being able to use abilities.
24:38 cooldowns are slower if I remember correct but the enemy beads and sanc are longer. All of time is slowed for them so even their relic timers are slowed. Actually a pretty cool effect.
Clearly its intoxicate, but the real world version. If the enemy player is drunk, its like a perma cc on the god.
Oh yeah? What if you were blinded irl , what if you were BANISHED lmao
@@rezanators good point :D but be intoxicated enough and you are both
@@rezanatorsirl banished happens all the time (dc)
Smite is literally crowd control simulator. With that being said, pulls and stuns are usually the most beads burning
So for anyone who is confused about what counts as hard cc and true hard cc, a handy guide I use is displacement. If the cc forcibly moves a character, then that is true hard cc. They are being displaced and for the sake of animation jank, they can’t apply dr to displacement
I think what would make this list better, even if it would add a lot more work, is taking the average duration of each of these effects into account. Because most of the "weaker" effects like a slow or disarm will last longer than a stun.
That being said, i mostly agree with the list as a whole, only that silence feels like it should be the bottom of A tier instead.
When I rage about CC, It's stuns, fears, silences, and taunts. In that order. Some of the other CC is annoying, but it makes sense & actually takes some skill to land.
The one's I named, though, I feel the game is overloaded with, and they're too consistent. There's nothing worse than dying because you just lost the ability to respond to the enemy. Especially, when it's a full CC team that runs around grouped up all the time, kit dumping on the first person to engage them.
No worse feeling than playing a trash team of CC bots. I can’t tell you how many games I played against bad players that get bailed out because they are full of giant circle CC abilities 😂 they get clapped in lane but are unbeatable when they group
@@shadowmenace1672 It's seriously the worst, especially when they have the nerve to spam laugh/taunt. Like if I could only walk forward, I'd demolish all of you, but the moment I do I surrender control of my character.
Then Hirez has the nerve to wonder why certain characters don't get played.
I’d personally say that Time Dialation is S tier since it’s soft cc that can combine with any hard cc including the true hard cc to increase the duration of the cc effects
This is a pretty good video for explaining what each CC does, as well. As a new player, this helps a lot. Tbh, I didn't even know Madness was a thing XD. Thnak you for this!
I feel like even tho slows are very common, they’re also very good, horrific is a pretty common relic for support first for aggression for either pressure or to get kills early, I think they deserve A tier
Great video !
I just had a couples things to say for how id rank them.
Mez and banish are very similar and deserve same tier: get ppl out of the fight for setup/peel but can't chain like stuns
Tremble slows you by default, and then the small thing making you a bit less controllable: they should not be a tier below slows... or classed with deafened ! (same tier as intox imo)
I agree taunt/fear/madness are a bit better but they would go same tier as stuns for me. Or just throw the one in S+++++++ and we good
You need a tier between b and c for cripple mez banish cuz they all feel better than c but can't be on same tier as silence imo (at least the cripple lol)
You very much have a solo perspective cuz disarm can pretty much halve the dps of most assasins (aa cancels) and then aa assasins exists... poly is situational but it's another small thing. I would say lower than silence fs but better than you made it sound ! but yeah id place it where you did as well.
That's a pretty insightful comment about banish Vs Mez tbf. They often do the same thing really.
The perfect bell-curve distribution pleases me greatly. Lol.
Knock up, it’s un beadsable, need I say more?
And immune to DR/CCR! Can't forget that.
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Artemis trap needs a buff to make up for the root changes
It's like one of the if not the most useless ability. In a 1 vs 1 it is usually useless and the enemy can go into it if they're literally blind and it's only use is right after the ult which is stupid and lackluster
You know what we need? A knockback/pull interaction chart.
Kephri's pull loses against Kuzenbo push, that loses to Herc push. Does sobek pull win againsy herc push?
I remember you made a similar video in the past, and once again I think you way underrated positional CCs, like pull and knockback, those are easily S tier for me, and Vortex should also be at least A if we're counting Hades, if you can bait your opponents escape the vortex is a free kill. At least there's no way it's worse than slow and slip
I thought knock up was the same as knock back, but in the first one you stay in place such as bacchus jump por example, and in the second one you are completely moved (plus being out of the ground thing) like sobek's 2 or kuzenbo ult
They need to change the slow in Chronos 3 to a time dialation just to slightly nerf the cooldowns of other gods... yaknow, being a god of Time and all lol
Thing is , i don t understand how DR stacks work . Like i play ymir sometimes in conq , and i gotta say , if i freeze , they sometimes get out of it in like 0.1 seconds , which is crazy ( without ccr items ) , but sometimes i get perma stunned or whatever from multiple enemies , and can only escape with beads ?
The way it works is: Hard CCs that hit you apply a DR stack (2 for true hard CCs). Each stack reduces future Hard CC durations by 20%. 4 stacks max (80% reduction) and they last 15s. No CC can ever be reduced below 0.4s via DR or CCR though. Ymir freeze base duration is really long so its best as the initiation when no enemies have DR stacks. If they have loads of DR on them already, it stuns for way less time.
Cripple is the most underrated cc in my book
Madness is by far the most op however due to distribution knockups are the most powerful
I would WAYYYY rather be hit by a Bacchus ult(intoxication) than a Hades Ult(Vortex)
But still very much enjoyed the video man!! Whether I agree or not, after all this list is slightly subjective, varying person to person
Man I play so much smite and I can’t tell u top of my head a god who does madness besides discordia
Tremble is D-, you can counter it by pressing D if you're moving left and vice verca:)
Someone please adress why I cant cc immune blinds. You cant purify them and you can often be actively invulnerable/untargetable and still blinded.
slippery surface will forever be S tier for me. Its just a better intoxication-its the lovechild of intoxications and cripples and I hate it with all my heart. I cant pick where im going, and I cannot use my movement to get away from the stinky ice. Skadi ice deserves to be burned
Question. Do people think Hades would be a lot stronger if he got a cripple with his ult?
like would he actually be any good, or y'all think he still would be a bottom tier god.
Good video. Informative, amazing, well done all around.
Also, can you do an Arena tier list? You've done one for Assault, so I don't think it's a huge stretch to ask for that.
Honestly I play so little arena it wouldn't be that useful I don't think. I would just use general rules like burst and tanks are better and sustained damage and healing is worse.
@@Inters3ct yeah, and Cliodhna/Janus are incomplete gods in arena because it's a wide open space and there's not enough walls for both to use their kit to the fullest potential.
Right now: Sun wukong, tyr, Charon (newly released), geb, Loki (with a decent player), carakan (because of ult great trapper with a good team), slynaus( hidden gem with a good player), xylanbase ( good support chaser) are to name a few that do real good in arena. With the new map, some god's utilities have changed and you have adapt to make them play well. Artio is still good just got to time when you got to get out of battles. But a good god can still be terrible if your teammates are not helping
@@SlayerFan961as someone who plays Cleo way more than I should, who also loves arena, Cleo is actually great in arena, her passive is minimal, yes, but every other part of her kit is so well suited for the “just fight lol” that she tends to do well without her passive (not to mention there are still small places her passive work on, even if just to get the life steal effect on a camp so you don’t have to run back to base after clearing it)
Isn't polymorph considered a true hard cc and is not affected by DR? I think that's what the Smite Wiki says. I would put it in S tier for that reason.
Hey ! Talking about cc, why hades fear make the ennemis run sometime away and other time run into you ?
If I'm not mistaken Intoxication also come with a Cripple to prevent movement abilities built in. Having it between Cripple and Tremble is probably the best but Intoxication is probably be better than Cripples since they lose control and their movement abilities for the duration. Also fun fact Maui's 1 and Cabrakhan's Tremors have Vortexes attached to them. I did think Khepri's dash-pull was a grab but realized it had a silence attached to it and you can still basic attack so it isn't a true grab.
Intox doesn't cripple.
The only thing that I will say that gives a stun a one up on a knock up, is that stuns allow immediate follow up damage and that is always guaranteed if you’re in sync with your team. It allows the fastest reaction time.
I cannot tell you how many times a knock up ended up saving me from an outrageous amount of damage lol.
are you sure, you dont mix them up with banishes? I think you can damage a knocked up target?
For the vast majority of knockups you can hit the airborne targets. Though reading this does make me wonder which, if any, don't allow the target to be hit. At that point they're just a banish.
I'm so happy I main hercules. I knew that character was great.
I think banish is high key slept on, they are pretty good and do so many positive things (essentially a knockup tbh)
Knockups are faster and confirm most of dmg abilities while banishes don't, and a lot of the times are stalling for the enemy to come
I have no finished the video, so maybe you change it later on, but I personally believe that Banishes should be higher, while Mezzes should be lower.
Banishes have all some-if-not-all the same “pros” listed for roots, silences, stuns, and knock ups, and the drawback of “not target-able” is mostly overshadowed by the pros.
And in my opinion Mezzes’ con that they wake up after one instance of damage instantly makes it worse than roots, slows, disarms. One instance is too “varying” in power to warrant it being a pro. Yes it could be a 300dmg Hunter crit or a 1200dmg mage ult, but it could also be a 98dmg Geb knockup, a 72dmg O-Bow spreading strike, or even a 10 dmg minion hit.
IMO Banishes are at minimum Low B-Teir maximum Low A-Teir, while Mezzes are Minimum High D-Tier, maximum low B Tier
Kinda want to add on some examples:
If Freya’s “woop” was a mez, you wouldn’t fear the CC as much because less guaranteed damage is on your way.
If Cupid’s Mez was a Banish you’d never allow yourself to be caught in the ult (as of right now, the mez is so negligible that it can sometimes be more optimal to keep on your path instead, even if you’re going to get Mezzed)
Kumba has both a Mez and a Banish, but besides in Pro or too Teir play his Mez is used to set up the banish, not the other way around.
Heim has a banish that allows him to (possibly) set up his 1, and his horn, and ALSO weave a basic attack in. A Mez would be MUCH harder to confirm.
Apollo’s Mez is so insignificant that many people forget about it (tbf Apollo does not have much follow up besides using his 1 and then possibly AA canceling anyways) but could you imagine an Apollo Banishing you to get a guaranteed ult to safety, even in a teamfight?
Ao Kuang’s Banish allows for setting up his 2-3-1 combo, but imagine if that enemy was Mezzed instead and was woken up before the combo was confirmed.
All-in-all, I feel that banishes are inherently more valuable to a team (let alone a single character) then Mezzes are.
Atlas 2 isn't technically single target, just a small area of effect
Stuns > knockups. Even if they can't be DR'd, knockups still prevent abilities from landing. Straight up stuns leave people stationary to be melted. I get you're a solo main so actually gaining DR is easy enough, but if we're talking about effectiveness you have to take every class into consideration. and 3/5 of the classes simply get melted before DR becomes useful.
Polymorphs should be S tier, because they're always max duration
He has Kuzenbo as his youtube avatar, yet, he forgot Kuzenbo’s unique CC which ia actually classified as a "push" in sumo slam
Kuzen 3 is a grab. Push isn't actually a CC according to the wiki. Just grabs and knockbacks.
Time does slow down cooldowns and projectiles in the air such as ra ult
Ra is CC immune when ulting, are you sure?
Even though blinds are pretty useless, they are very very annoying to people with photosensitivity or are just generally sensitive to bright lights. Getting blink blinded by Ra out of nowhere and getting flashbanged irl is not super fun. I really wish there was an option added to make the screen fade to black instead of white, it would make playing against Ra and Ix Chel much less disorienting
and it would make sense since if you're true blinded your vision would fade to black
I think Vulcans 3 should leave a slip pool of oil if it doesn't hit a god
Fuck no god already hard annoying
Thanx I just started smite trying to learn how to play
Chronos ball should time dilate with no slow or stun
Could be interesting tbf. Especially if it was a strong but short lasting effect like 50% but only for a second. Then it still works as setup for your 1.
What is Xing Tian ult considered? Is it a grab?
I guess it would be a grab into a knockup
Atlas 2 is not a single target, in either forms of it..
Fear should be S tier as it's too far ahead of the other A tier CC abilities even though it's technically not the best S tier CC, it should still be in that tier. Otherwise pretty solid.
How would you classify Sobek's cc abilities? 🤔
Both a knockup
I think people are going to wish you had put pulls a little higher than you listed only because anyone who has a pull also has some type of other hard cc that makes it a bad time for you. Haha like silv pull into root. Ares pull into cripple. The pull itself isn’t bad but it’s always associated as a bad cc because it’s always accompanied with amother good cc to follow it v
What about the ROOT/CRIPPLE COMBO cc, ie Awilix feather step or Scylla sic’em???
They just apply both a root and cripple at once. Not a different cc
@@Inters3ct gotcha
It's most likely knock up unless you're jorm than its taunt or madness
i never knew there was a disorient cc, mercury's 3 was like a stun to me. Is he the only god with that cc?
It's actually Merc's ult merc's ult I'm talking about. His 3 as far as I'm aware is just a stun into a throw. But yes, Merc is the only disorient.
Wait so what exactly is the difference between knockups and banishes?
You can hit people who are knocked up but not ones who are banished.
@@Inters3ct oops I didn’t know that thank you, now I can apply this newfound knowledge the never time I play smite again!
Should walls be considered a form of cc? I think walls control crowds.
Technically they're not but they do help do similar things.
IMO there should be a tier between A and B. You just cant put silence and cripple in the same tier, silence is like cripple but much better. One only stops u from using dash and the other stops every one. Yeah silence applys and gets DR but it is just better anyway. Also you could put mez or disorient in that tier.
Reasonable tbf. I did consider adding in a tier there mid video but didn't in the end to keep it more condensed.
@@Inters3ct Great Tier Anyway!!
This video hurts me because I see the S tier and remember how they ruined Erlang Shen.
I want my knock up back, just make his pin a slow instead already
So Chronos 3 should get Time Dilation is what I got from this
i think you heavily undervalue root. sure it doesnt flat prevent you from taking actions, but theyre typically some of the longer lasting forms of cc and if u get rooted in a 1v1, youre done.
I have never noticed deafen in the game. What ability has this?
AFAIK only Clio's 1 has it.
Cu culan’s 3 dose stun you it’s just barely at all check wiki
Stuns: There are things better than them, but there are not many things worse than them. -Inter 2023
LOL I meant not many things better
hades vortex is B tier as its a slightly weaker taunt that can be jumped out of but poseidons vortex alone not including the cripple is clearly D tier so I would put vortexes in C tier as the strength of the cc can differ
maybe poseidons vortex is C tier going by your judgement of what the cc does and not how its applied or how long its applied in that case its no different than a slow
Freya banish not hard cc ? In team fight you can die if not beads
Banishes are hard CCs, yea
How would classified artio (human form) 2?
Cripple
@@Inters3ct ok I do notice they are a little slower when they are in it. So thought it was a combination. Does it stop pulls?
I think blinds and vortex should be c. Tremors and deafen have basically no use even in there best scenarios. A blind can stop you from being able to react for a pretty long time and vortez if youve no beads or jump will usually kill you
Vortex I might be inclined to agree but with how blinds are currently implemented they belong in D imo. Ra's is pretty much the only one that fully blocks out your screen, most just obscure it and even Ra's blind only fully whites your screen for like half a second, the rest you can still somewhat see as you come out of the blind.
@Inters3ct maybe Xbas is c but the none ultimate blinds I will agree are pretty bad especially loki and Ix chel.
I think time dilation is B tier. A tier if you’re feeling generous. The only reason it’s good is because it makes OTHER CC’s better. In a vacuum it’s not doing much other than delaying your enemies’ escape.
Idk man I think you undervalue how much fastness matters in a game like smite. Your ult coming out 40% slower or your dash moving 40% slower is a huge deal.
Take a shot for every "stun" mention lol
Listen it's not my fault half the hard CCs in the game are glorified stuns
@@Inters3ct I agree, smite it's just a stunt with different names lol
Doesnt deafen make you unable to see the user
No? You're probably thinking of Clio's 2 which does that but the deafen is her 1.
@@Inters3ct oh, i guess that isnt a cc actually, pretty cool though
Where petrification?
That's just a fancy stun.
@@agord7591 fancy or not, but intoxicated is fancy tramble
Nah intox and tremble are mechanically different. Intox you can't control yourself at all. Even if you let go of all movement keys you walk in random directions. Tremble just adds noise to your intended movement, you can still move in a general chosen direction, can't with intox. And yeah petrify is just a stun mechanically.
@@Inters3ct understandable
Now make a tier list about all abilities with a cc in it.
Tbf I have made a basic ability tier list lul. Most will be in there
@@Inters3ct oh really? Been watching you for years, must have missed (or forgotten) that one
Great list tho
Hot take: Slows should also reduce leap distance of mobile abilities
Hot take 2: intoxicate instead of a pseudo tremble, have it override and mess with your controls instead. Such as moving forward will go right or looking left is looking down.
1: Yes
2: Absolutely fucking not
@cockandballtorture59
2: more of a reason that should be added. It simulates the drunk aspect perfectly and forces players to mind their positions especially with controller sensitivity working against you
Is Janus's portal a cc?
Yep, banish
Idk but i counter 14 pulls and i'm very confused who/what i'm missing
It's been a while since I collected that data so idrk but the definition of pull Vs grab is sometimes murky. In my opinion if they are tied to your movement it's a grab and if not it's a pull.
I'm updating lil by lil because i just found out Atlas and Shiva don't knock back but rather pull in a very weirdly way
So far i got Ares, Atlas, Awilix, Bastet, Cerberus, Da Ji, Fenrir, Khepri, Maui, Mulan, Shiva, Sylvanus, Yu Huang and Susano (i think i have to count Xing Tian tho the wording on his ult says "grabbing")
@@ezecarol11 Shiva is a knockup technically. Pulls are cleanseable as you never leave the ground. Shiva's are knockups. The definitions get kinda murky but mechanically they are knockups. As for Atlas, it's a grab into a knockup. Neither are pulls.
I'm just gonna blame their code and their questionable wording
Knockups would be a lot better if half of the gods didn't have a knockup immune channeling ability. -_- #RIPCerberusult
What god does mesmerizing?
Kumbha 3, Apollo 2, Cupid Ult, to name a few.
What is Madness cc ? I play smite since 2014 and I dont know whats that , who has this
It's rare. But multiple enemies hit by discordia 2 and the same for Serqet 2 are both madnesses.
@@Inters3ct thanks ddnt think about these 2 :o
Silence is definitely A tier
Atlas can pick up multiple characters.
What would you classify ares' ult as?
Pull into stun
Pretty sure you can grab multiple targets with atlas 2
Only 1 but you can pull multiple targets
No Time Dilation? :kappa:
Skadi's 3 makes me want to uninstall. I wpuld rather fight Nox and Khumba in lane together. It is even worse if you accidentally use a directional dash.
Knockups 🥺
Mez has to be S surely lol they last so long
Knockup is the strongest cc in the game. There's no other answer lol
I like that they nerfed roots and made them DR-able but they said “nah, Nox shouldn’t be affected by it, we want them to be rooted for the full 2 seconds”. Nox can go suck an egg
Too many knockup immune abilities in Smite
MLF she is the best cc in the game
Pretty sure Cu Chulainns berserk 3 stuns
To me stuns are the most annoying thing to ever exist in smite because almost every God these days has it built into their abilities and i kid u not I feel like if I don't take beads then death is almost if not certain. It's so annoying >:[
Roots actually cripple you. If you're caught in an Artemis trap you can't dash.
That’s because her trap is a root and a cripple.
Some roots come with cripples but they're not the same. For example kumbha 2 recently went from just a root to a root-cripple. Artemis is one of those cases.
@@Inters3ct understandable. Thanks for the clarification, i thought all roots cripple. that makes more sense
The best CC is Knockup. Change my mind!
I won't try to cause you're correct lul
Athena TAUNT, of course! Needs nerf
Knockup
Deafen is the most useless cc in the game. I wouldn't even call it a cc tbh, more like a cosmetic that fits Cliodhna's lore.
Say what you want but slow stacking is busted
Idk if I'd say it's busted. There are built in checks like DR and item slows not stacking. In reality it's almost impossible to get anything above a 60% slow even when stacking and there is a movement speed floor that you can't go below. But yeah being able to stack an item slow on top of an ability one is strong for sure.
Build Winged Blade or play Atlas.
@@Inters3ct horrific + any slow is basically a 5 second stun ngl
@@SlayerFan961 winged blade is just bad, and atlas... Okay that's fair.
@@sunshineandrei2569 the heavenly wings relic also exists, if slows make you cringe that hard.
I fucking hate silences
Be silent!
@@rizztraininghamster Quiet!
I think time cc might not be as good as you make it. Its only on 1 ability and the ability is very powerful bcs it affects allies too. Imagine if it was applied single target. Basically olorun ult is very good cc itself not as much.
Yeah there's only one example but that cuts both ways. What if it was added to a basic ability with a 10s cooldown and applied as a debuff not an aura in the area. Could be even more annoying since it doesn't DR.