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  • @kayb7026
    @kayb7026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I’m not sure how you have not popped off yet💥 your content is *chefs kiss🤌🏽*
    Sound/ picture quality is crystal clear
    And your ability to research / present cases is A++
    Love/ appreciate your efforts sis❤️‍🩹💛

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Aww thank you so much 🥺 have to thank my husband for the sound and video he hooks it up! 🤣🤣 researching cases and working full time is so hard so thank you so much for your sweet words! Means a lot a lot a lot!!! 💜💜💜

    • @kayb7026
      @kayb7026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ZaraV on top of being a mommma???? Dayyyum girl ur killing the game!!!

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s hard work not gonna lie! But I’m trying to just follow what I believe in and hope for the best! ❤️❤️❤️

    • @jessieadams6715
      @jessieadams6715 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaraV she will! shes excellent! just share etc ya know

    • @princesskendall-bt5bg
      @princesskendall-bt5bg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaraV Rbt

  • @lomeiniac7536
    @lomeiniac7536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    As someone who was born in “Massa Two Sh*ts” you’ve made my day 😂

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha I struggled 🤣🤣🤣

    • @sweetlunalysia8645
      @sweetlunalysia8645 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂😂😂

    • @nikki_q.
      @nikki_q. ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I could listen to her say that all day 😂🤣😂

    • @thisiskimmoore
      @thisiskimmoore 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I will now always refer to MA as Mass-A-Two-Schitts 😂😂😂 (Love you Zara!!!!!!!)

  • @kittymaya4615
    @kittymaya4615 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I love your channel!! Sometimes the algorithm blesses me with a fabulous new channel and I hope this means other viewers are finding you, too. You’re so good at telling these stories in a respectful and interesting way. I’ve been around true crime YT for awhile and this is one of the best channels, in my little opinion. (On a lighter note, you’re also gorgeous before and after makeup, which is simply not fair to the rest of us haha)

  • @EmiFromMars
    @EmiFromMars 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Found your channal few days ago, so so glad I did! Love your energy and how respectful you are

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aw I’m so happy! Thanks so much that means a lot ❤️

  • @poisonivy6979
    @poisonivy6979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I don't know if you've looked into it, but the history of Elan school is shocking. It was a horrible place.

  • @kawieninja
    @kawieninja 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Loving the videos!! Mass-ah-chew-sis! Love that you tried your best 👏🏻

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha thanks! I try 😂 hope you enjoyed and see you around ✌️

  • @letidelbosque
    @letidelbosque 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You're absolutely right.... To lose a child is the worst... I lost my only child at 19 years young. 12/11/2019
    He was shot 8 times..(3 of which were at close range in the back of his head)..... Now I just exist. My heart broke that very day.. my soul... I'm just broken.

    • @martina13118
      @martina13118 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hope you are doing better 🙏

  • @Kattykit1
    @Kattykit1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “The French connection” was a narcotics thriller movie that came out in 1971. In the US in the 70s and 80s regular tv channels would occasionally show a whole movie and usually it was a big deal and everybody would watch it.

  • @gabrielalemus9218
    @gabrielalemus9218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Literally binge watching you right now so glad I found you!

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aw yay Gabriela! ❤️❤️❤️

  • @ShawnicornMindshiftCoaching
    @ShawnicornMindshiftCoaching ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First-I love your format, second, it's Mass-uh-choo-sets
    Thank you for that giggle though 😀

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      🤣🤣 thanks girl!

  • @simone2316
    @simone2316 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Poor Dorothy sounds like she knew Michael is going to get away with it because of his family’ wealth and she accepted the fact that her daughter will never get true justice🙁

  • @erinmcclain2088
    @erinmcclain2088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh what a perfect way to start my work day!!! 💜

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yay so nice!! ❤️

  • @candicespencer8008
    @candicespencer8008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    keeping me entertained while I'm decluttering my bedroom. love all ur videos

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yay! I wish I had time to declutter my house. It’s my favourite thing to organise! 😵‍💫

  • @kurikitty536
    @kurikitty536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This case was actually made into a movie. It's called "Murder in Greenwich". Christopher Meloni from Law and Order SVU is in it. I saw it when I was super young and it's one of the reasons I got into true crime.

  • @laurenjane995
    @laurenjane995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

  • @Brat0064
    @Brat0064 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do not ever get over losing a child. You don’t get through it. You don’t get over it. You don’t get used to it. You just live as best you can.

  • @banditpoon714
    @banditpoon714 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another great video from our girl! 👏👏👏❤
    🤔 mass-uh-too-sets.... that took me a minute to type out the sounds 😆 but I mean, I'm from the midwestern/southern US so.... someone else may say it a little different. I did giggle when you were saying it, it was great

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha thanks Brandi you always come through! I have to screen shot this so I remember how to say it 🤣🤣🤣

    • @banditpoon714
      @banditpoon714 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ZaraV 😂😂 the way that people from there say it is even better. I've had patients from there, on lady in particular I'm thinking of, when she would say it I could not help but smile and giggle. Her accent was the best 😆
      Always here for you!

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @HoneyBee-br6hi
      @HoneyBee-br6hi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Huh? 😂 More like……Ma suh choo suhtz Is the northeastern pronunciation. Most American homes have fenced in backyards . But if you are sitting on several acres it’s pretty much pointless to have fencing.

    • @banditpoon714
      @banditpoon714 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HoneyBee-br6hi that's why I said they say it different up north 🤣 I have relatives up north but I was raised down here in Oklahoma 😅

  • @kaitlynmccullough519
    @kaitlynmccullough519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just found you! Your voice and vibe is so soothing. 🤗🤗🤗

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aww thank you Kaitlyn! 💜

  • @AlexisGarza-e4e
    @AlexisGarza-e4e ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wanted to come back a year later to watch this! Love your videos zara❤❤

  • @heatherpowers840
    @heatherpowers840 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Case suggestion is The Brandon Lawson case. If any case leaves you with a bunch of unanswered questions, this is it. He was an amazing man and all his family and all of us friends miss him everyday

  • @JudyDeed
    @JudyDeed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Zara, but I do have to ask. What was with that gif at the 12:48 mark?

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha ok so I said Kevin Little instead of Kenneth Littleton. And Kevin Little is an old school reggaeton artist and that’s who’s in the gif! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @kristyyy_3
    @kristyyy_3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg the Kevin Lyttle reference ahhahaha 😂

  • @sallyb470
    @sallyb470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    (Massa CHOO sets)
    Good video!

  • @Dreamzyo
    @Dreamzyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best time of the week 👏

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wahooo!

  • @lauri.renee925
    @lauri.renee925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I’ve heard so many people trying to say Massachusetts, if I didn’t hear it my whole life, I wouldn’t even try lol. Best I can describe it is, Massa-CHEW-sets. What a weird word lol

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahah I always saw it in books and never tried to pronounce it till this video hahaha

    • @lauri.renee925
      @lauri.renee925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ZaraV Megan True crime was trying to pronounce it too in one of her videos

    • @crissysmith8656
      @crissysmith8656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I say Mass-a-tu-sis 🤣🤣 I'm from my so maybe that's why? Lol

    • @Nizhonibearcreek
      @Nizhonibearcreek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mass ugh chew sets or as I call it
      Douchechusetts

    • @angelabordack
      @angelabordack ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know how to pronounce it because I’m from NY and our baseball teams are enemies 😂

  • @kalilove2598
    @kalilove2598 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The massa two shits had me laughing the whole time 😂

  • @christyjenkins8429
    @christyjenkins8429 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They lived in a huge home and yard, and they were very wealthy. you should watch the movie it would help to show why people didn't hear because of the distance between her house and thier home.

  • @hallievanoutryve3109
    @hallievanoutryve3109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its not stupid that Martha’s dance date wondered ‘what if’ ? It’s called survivors guilt

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know you’re right! In the moment though I think it just sounded silly to me given that they didn’t really have real plans and he couldn’t have done anything! But yes silly of me to say I agree with you! 😵‍💫

  • @jennifermccain6062
    @jennifermccain6062 ปีที่แล้ว

    Massa two shits made me laugh so hard. Thank you I needed that.

  • @mikoftime1364
    @mikoftime1364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Definitely heard this one before, so sad. I think Tommy was doing something with Martha and Michael went off on her and they kept quiet cause money talks or in this case doesn’t. The tutor was probably fired and bad mouthed and couldn’t get a job so he burgled. Mass-ah-chew-sets lmao that was so funny.

  • @igmugleska966
    @igmugleska966 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Martha’s death isn’t the only one to die at the hands of a Kennedy. It would be interesting if you did a Kennedy “conspiracy” episode. I like your makeup today. Massachusetts = mass-a-‘chew-sits

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Such a good idea! Thank you so much and for lil lesson 😘🤣

  • @acidpoptartxx
    @acidpoptartxx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's not at all like that here 😂...depends on where your at, I have a fence and my inlaws have a fence completely blocking all view from the neighborhood..

  • @MichaelanRyan
    @MichaelanRyan ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s been a year since this and you still doing amazing idk how you don’t pass out Lmao I’m always tired and I don’t have a full time job or TH-cam channel 😂

  • @hallievanoutryve3109
    @hallievanoutryve3109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This sounds like an early case of affluenza …. right? Esp how the parents protected them.

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yessssss that’s the word I was looking for the whole time 🤣🤣

  • @tessavandebunt5411
    @tessavandebunt5411 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Massachewshits 😂 died after hearing that

  • @MichaelanRyan
    @MichaelanRyan ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you do the pink like that ?

  • @jenniferwilkinson9340
    @jenniferwilkinson9340 ปีที่แล้ว

    The French Connection is a show that was based off of the movie The French Connection.

  • @thesageromero
    @thesageromero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hate magnetic eyelashes. 😭😭😂😂 messed up many great looks! I cannot get them to work for me for anything. And the ones where you have top and bottom that are both magnets, so it's not a liquid and then you put the lashes on the liquid, it's like two magnets sticking together. I can't get either one of them. I just can't. But. They look good on you, girl.

  • @fueledbycoffeeandanxiety6500
    @fueledbycoffeeandanxiety6500 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope you do the Ward Weaver or Weaver family of murderers some day! I knew the girls who were Ward's victims

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good recommendation! I’ve added it to my list 😀

    • @HoneyBee-br6hi
      @HoneyBee-br6hi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Never heard of this case. Thanks for giving something to check out. I was starting to fill like I heard every case on every continent.

    • @Morbid.Injustice
      @Morbid.Injustice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I did a interview on my channel with harry Oakes the Sar dog searcher that found the girls I'm really good friends with him! Such a sad case

    • @fueledbycoffeeandanxiety6500
      @fueledbycoffeeandanxiety6500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Morbid.Injustice thats crazy! Please send my gratitude for helping get justice for those girls

    • @Morbid.Injustice
      @Morbid.Injustice 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fueledbycoffeeandanxiety6500 I Def will you can keave a comment and I will show him he is amazing he has been wrong onky 5 times put off 17k cases!!!

  • @puppymom77
    @puppymom77 ปีที่แล้ว

    French connection was a spy movie in the 70s. My dads fave movie 😅

  • @wendymercer8026
    @wendymercer8026 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My daughter and her best friend were killed in a car accident almost 10 years ago and I CONSTANTLY think of all of the things she will never get to accomplish. They were only 10 years old and had their entire lives ahead of them...no first day of high school, no first kiss, no first date, no homecoming, no prom, no wedding to plan, no children....just absolutely robbed...So when you made the statement that you never get over it...trust me, you NEVER GET OVER IT! Soooo many people say that in time, you will learn to go on and get over it...that is a lie! This is a heartbreak that no amount of time will ever cure. My world came crashing down on me that day and each day I do TRY to be thankful that my 8 year old (who is about to be 18 now) was spared but she has endured sooooo much suffering...confined to a wheelchair and all bc an idiot was late to a wedding and ran a red light going entirely too fast...he never even tried to brake...and needless to say, he never made it to the wedding...but the real injustice is that he was only fined $1,000 and had his license taken away for 6 months...he walked away with zero injuries! He left me with one child dead and my other life flighted with traumatic brain injury, 110 days in the hospital, relearning everything bc her injury was to her brain stem (which controls everything) now she is confined to a wheelchair without her older sister who was also her best friend and they did everything together....to say it is tough is an understatement, but my daughter (Maleah) who is still fighting everyday to regain some type of normalcy, is a true miracle and the joy that keeps me going. I would never ever wish losing a child on ANYONE, not even my worst enemy.

  • @lisam.878
    @lisam.878 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was great! Massachusetts- Mass- uh-chew- sits. Lol😊

  • @JesusismyRock773
    @JesusismyRock773 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, Kenneth got 5 years probation for burglary and theft. Sounds about right.

  • @SamanthaKamryn
    @SamanthaKamryn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watch you faithfully and just realized I wasn’t subscribed. Wtf!!!!!

  • @carissachristy9364
    @carissachristy9364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You’re gorg you remind me of my best friend in Hong Kong

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      aw thank you! That’s hard for your best friend to be in a different country!

    • @carissachristy9364
      @carissachristy9364 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaraV your story telling is great and I love your voice / accent!

  • @SLOTHDADDY2020
    @SLOTHDADDY2020 ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the deal with everyones alibi being a show lmao

  • @aleksandralempart8305
    @aleksandralempart8305 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Small coffins are the heaviest xx

  • @jennifergill1642
    @jennifergill1642 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey I know this is an old video but I think you should look into the elan school it's a pretty evil place with a lot of crazy stories

  • @charlizeball7717
    @charlizeball7717 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like he probably tried to assault her and couldn’t get it up so he got angry and bludgeoned her to death

  • @speechless4now
    @speechless4now 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mass-ah-choo-sets 😊

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣❤️

  • @missmjy3930
    @missmjy3930 ปีที่แล้ว

    She didn't say yo😂😂😂

  • @sagebryant786
    @sagebryant786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly there wasn't enough evidence to convict anyone. Anyone at anytime could have grabbed the golf club but I know finger printing wasn't around at the time of the crime but did the golf club not get saved so that later it could be tested 🤷🏻‍♀️ maybe he was up in the tree taking care of himself after he killed her. It just one of those cases where no matter how strongly you believe someone specific did it it could honestly been anyone. But the other brother said he went home then back for 20 minutes maybe he went home to get the golf club and was killing her for twenty minutes. It's truly sad no one will ever know exactly what happened other than the person that did it if they even remember it. Her mom is amazing to still have so much compassion for others and to still be getting through life

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s what I thought! It only seems like he did it because he was admitting to it to some people but even that isn’t 💯 I think most cases especially back then didn’t save dna coz I think it’s hard to even imagine that technology would evolve to tnat!

    • @HoneyBee-br6hi
      @HoneyBee-br6hi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaraV actually a lot cold cases are being solved from dna. They are doing this genealogy thing where they are solving cases through the relatives of the murderer. A case from 1959 was solved. The Spokane Girl-scout murders for instance and several Jane doe’s have been solved from cases 50+ years ago.

    • @HoneyBee-br6hi
      @HoneyBee-br6hi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Sage Bryant fingerprinting has been used by the police since 1911. If definitely was around for this case.

  • @joneuniquew.3877
    @joneuniquew.3877 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder, was DNA not taken from the golf club? No fingerprints or anything?

  • @mindydemarchi6869
    @mindydemarchi6869 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your vids! You should look up Marjorie and Robert Nowell. Not sure about the spelling, but they are a god aweful pair of attorneys, that let their dogs terrorize and eventually murder their neighbor. It’s the first time, in San Francisco that dog owners got charged with murder. Very interesting.

  • @kcarmymomxs2551
    @kcarmymomxs2551 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can they convict without proof

  • @ronniedorris3879
    @ronniedorris3879 ปีที่แล้ว

    Money is power

  • @samanthastanley7190
    @samanthastanley7190 ปีที่แล้ว

    PETER CONNELLY , WORST CASE IVE HEARD IN A LONG TIME, & IVE Never HEARD OF HIS STORY, IT NEEDS TO BE TOLD!! PLZ DO THE STORY ON 17 MONTH TORTURE & MURDER OF THIS BABY BOY
    #PETERCONNELLY

  • @smeza3391
    @smeza3391 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mass-a-choo-sits

  • @mandiirenee9708
    @mandiirenee9708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Baby Brianna Lopez.
    It’s a terrible story, may be too much honestly, but definitely worth looking into.
    She deserved ALOT better than she got! Also the killers are set free👎👎

  • @elisabethforsberg9027
    @elisabethforsberg9027 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe he did that because he saw what hi saw,and it turnédatum him om?😮

  • @MaRiahhTurnerPoliticalMakeup
    @MaRiahhTurnerPoliticalMakeup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mass-uh-CHEW-sits

  • @suzimonkey345
    @suzimonkey345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    🌹❤️🌹❤️🌹

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🥰🥰🥰

  • @ronniedorris3879
    @ronniedorris3879 ปีที่แล้ว

    One halloween get a six pack out the frig. And when out to her car to caught the kids soaping windows and toilet papering the yard i got up the next morning opened the door she still in car a sleep and they soap the hell out of car and papered the hell out of the yard come in mad as hell she sleep through the it all

  • @leeyagoss
    @leeyagoss ปีที่แล้ว

    😅😅😅😅

  • @paigebeacome3527
    @paigebeacome3527 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love you lol

  • @samanthastanley7190
    @samanthastanley7190 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watch u everyday now! Love ur content n just how you present yourself, n Im huge true crime, it's 97% of what I watch
    #PeterConnelly

  • @saritacruz3020
    @saritacruz3020 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's more than just the wealth, it's the politically powerful family backing from the Kennedys.

  • @mariahstell
    @mariahstell ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this the same Robert F Kennedy that’s running for President this coming term? 😂

  • @ashandemi
    @ashandemi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤️

  • @maureenLewis-m6k
    @maureenLewis-m6k 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A mpvie

  • @Nizhonibearcreek
    @Nizhonibearcreek 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You say Massachusetts I say douchechusetts

  • @rhiannonoshea9203
    @rhiannonoshea9203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    massachusetts = mass-uh-choo-sits

  • @christyjenkins8429
    @christyjenkins8429 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    try the following, "Mass a chews etts" that is how you want to pronounce it.. good try though kept sounding like Mass a two shits.. lol

  • @diamondjackson3624
    @diamondjackson3624 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why didn’t they dust for finger prints on the golf club? My take on this is yes obviously Michael is guilty and possibly his brother too, but to say without a reason of doubt Michael is guilty is a stretch. Yes he couldn’t provide a alibi and constantly changed his story, and told other people he could have killed her, but there isn’t anything concrete enough that says I 100% thinks he’s guilty. There was really nothing tying him to the crime other then his own words which have been proven to be unreliable. Tommy had a better chance at getting charged because he admitted being with the victim and was actually the last person being seen with the victim and also lied originally about his alibi.

    • @ZaraV
      @ZaraV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems like the first thing they would do right!! I agree with you and tommy does definitely seem to be involved and seems they’ve pinned it all on Michael as he was the ‘troubled’ one!

    • @spaceinveda7408
      @spaceinveda7408 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean
      There's an entire list of reasons why it would be Michael though
      And why would you quote the words troubled? Like... do you not think he's troubled? Or...
      I think him sitting outside of Martha's window and jerking off in a tree alone should have put him in prison.

  • @MissTerry57
    @MissTerry57 ปีที่แล้ว

    French Connection is a successful movie with Gene Hackman ! Massa-Chou-set. ♥️♥️

  • @susieschlotzhauer9924
    @susieschlotzhauer9924 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Say it with me babe …..Massachusetts - MASSS -A CHOO SITS lol you’d think I’d be crazy for actually naming my youngest Kennedy lol😅 with money you can literally do anything OJ was technically innocent too until his civil trial so truth and justice mean something completely different when your dealing with a Kennedy!