Scruplousity, as a form of OCD, should be treated by a therapist first and foremost, but a therapist who could sympathise with your religious anxieties. A priest is also important because he could supply you with plenty of reassurance that God won't just kick you out of heaven the second you sin, God gave us plenty of time for a good reason and as it was said in the Bible "The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again." It happens, we sin my friend, no one can abolish sin or sinful thoughts even the greatest of saints sinned till their last breath. Remember that saint Anthony struggled with thoughts of fornication for a long life even if he was a monk who saw no woman for ages, does it make him less of a saint? No. Why? Because he just got up from his falls. Now, God be with you. It's alright, bad obsessive days come, they pass, they shall pass, NEVER be hard or judgy on yourself in any of these days. You don't be hard on a person with chronic disease and tell them "just stop being ill", do you? Same with mental disorders, you can't just "snap out of it", it will need time to heal. Treat yourself well and spoil yourself if your day was bad, you deserve a break from constant worrying.
Some traits common to autism / aspergers, in the context of confession, can appear like scrupulosity. Those include huge attention to detail, a strong sense of justice and right and wrong; a need for clear structure, boundaries, rules and specifics; a tendency to info dump, go off on tangents and overexplain, especially when you feel it's important for another person to understand or know context. Knowing what to expect in confession beforehand, concrete examples of what is meant by 'too much/not enough details' and having a list of brief bullet points helps to keep an autistic penitent grounded, on track and 'to the point' during confession.
It can also help to have the same priest all the time and who understands that not all people think in the same way. There are priests out there who can understand the specific challenges faced by autistic believers and the trauma that tends to attach itself to our lives.
I struggled with this for years. It was absolutely debilitating and no one at my church or in my family understood what I was going through. They all had wonderful theological advice, trying to explain away my anxiety. However, trying to fix this on a spiritual level just never seemed to help. It's not that the advice was wrong, it's just that the anxiety wouldn't leave. It only started to get better when I realised that it might actually be related to childhood trauma and is a form of OCD. My hope is that anyone with scrupulosity who reads this be open to the possibility that you may need to speak to a mental health professional as well as a priest. I pray you find peace.
My dad struggled with Scrupulosity for YEARS, even in the Orthodox Church. Now he just doesn't care as much, he just tries to educate himself on his faith (not obsessive) and believes God will understand he is trying to understand His message.
Was it some strict Reformed Church (hyper-Calvinist) or capitol "e" Evangelicalism (i.e. megachurches, too much over-emphasis on purity culture that borders Calvinist)? I ask this as a traditional Southern Baptist (no jam band modernist crap, no KJV-onlyism) who's leaned Wesleyan and has inquired into Orthodoxy. For us, we can be in between the Arminian and Calvinist scale.
@@HeatherGreenjsyk I actually come from an Restoration movement background with Anabaptist influences ("church of Christ"). The current "church of Christ" I am in is not too emphatic on scrupulosity though, it is pretty mainstream, but is more on the Armenian axis (though not truly Armenian as we reject limited atonement)
Bro! I'm loving your comments! I was an Evangelical for 20ish years before wanting a more solid foundation. I looked into the reformers and became a Theo-deterministic Nihilist. It was very very bad. Any sane person would have become an atheist but I'm not sane evidently. I was pulled out eventually when Dr. Leighton Flowers pointed out that the contemporaries of Augustine didn't share his views on original sin, the fulcrum on which the whole Calvinist-Arminian seesaw pivots. I was disgusted with Luther's "Bondage of the Will", Calvin's murder of a heretic, and Zwingli's barbarism. The early anabaptists were scary. I didn't know what to do or where to go. I couldn't go Catholic.. just no! I listened to Dr. Michael S. Heiser and it got my gears turning, Jourdan B Peterson was and is in vogue through whom I discovered Jonathan Pageau. From him to Fr. Seraphim Aldea's interview with Gospel Simplicity and Ten Minute Bible Hour's interviews with Orthodox priests and eventually to the wonderful content of Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and Fr. Stephen DeYoung. So on and so forth.. I'm a catechumen now. Stick around, it's great here!
@@isaiahkerstetter3142 Good for you! In terms of Free Will, I really love John Cassian's conferences (It is an old book recording his conversations with the desert fathers.) But father Seraphim is probably one of the most influential figures in my digital life too...
@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 I can say with certainty that Fr. Seraphim Aldea is why I am orthodox today. All of my intellectual objects died when I saw in him that the path to to Theosis laid out by the Fathers WORKS!
Roman Catholic here. I used to have scrupulosity. And I can honestly say that apart from demonic possession, there is nothing worse for your spiritual life than scrupulosity. Who knows, scrupulosity could very well be a form of possession. And yes, I have met Ortbodox Christians who have/had it, but they are few & far between compared to Roman Catholics. The only way you can be cured from is by reaching out to somebody who has dealt with it, a priest, a spiritual father, a spiritual director or somebody who has a profession in helping people overcome OCD, because scrupulosity *is* actually a form of OCD. Once your cured from it, know that it should stay away for a very long time, but it can in some cases creep back. I hope this helps any of you 👍
I have been through it as well and just as you said, I can think of little worse for the spiritual life. Theres a quote by Teresa of Avila I think in which she says something to the effect of " until you've gone through it its a type of hell you cant understand"
Roman Catholic here, very close to converting to the American Orthodox Church. We suffer scrupulosity because although the Church I THINK doesn’t intend it, the implication is that it’s very legalistic. I have looked for a way to see it differently, but I can’t find it. This is why the emphasis on Confession before Communion is taught, BUT logically since we can’t stop sinning AT LEAST at first, you start looking at everything you do and think as “sinful/non-sinful, which leads to scrupulosity. Basically, I dont see how you can be serious about the Roman Catholic Sacraments, and NOT have scrupulosity. Just my observation.
So glad to hear that you are shocked at the mention of times someone sinned. I hear this originated in the Council of Trent. It sets the mind up to turn a confession into an interview that you might have here in the U.S. with a tax accountant. Your comments are apt, especially your cartoon of being dumped on with a pile off shall we say dirt. I agree with the advice..."lighten up, get a grip." Thanks!
Thank you so much, I never even knew what scrupulosity was, but it's exactly what I am going through. Every single time I think I sin, God is going to chastise me and punish me in order to correct me, and I seem to live in fear of that. Some of them are so ridiculous like ex (I mention something about pirates, but since pirates committed sins and crimes on the seas therefore I am enticing the people I'm talking to sin and think positively of pirates). It ruins my conversations and makes me feel alien and unrelating to anyone. I also thought this was how to be pious, but your right, its a stumbling block, not a step. God bless you so much, ill try to stop being scrupulous and having to trust in Gods mercy and grace, even when I feel like hes gonna wind up a fat punch to me.
Just be patient and kind to yourself, remember that God himself is kind, loving and patient on you, so take God as an example and be kind to yourself :D May God be with you :)
Mnogo hvala Bojan, it's important that this is said, in my humble opinion. This is a very important matter to me and dear to my heart. I have struggled with scrupulousity quite a while since I tend to be of rather serious and conscientious character. It took me a quite some time and very painful experiences to find the right balance between this conscientiousness and the humility to trust in the Lord and His doing. I think the attitude derived from penitential theology, scholasticism and Roman supremacy plays a role in this phenomenon, but I of course might be wrong. It's important to be aware that God loves us, even the most sinful person and awaits us with open arms.
Bojan - what are your thoughts on Scholasticism in general in the West and (more historically) in the East? I read in Norman Russell’s book that after the fall of Constantinople, Orthodox thought was marked by an “arid scholasticism” that spanned several centuries. Apparently this aspect was only rehabilitated after WW2 when Greek theologians embraced the thought of the Greek Fathers and were influenced by certain Western patristic scholars. Of course the rediscovery of Palamas’ mystical/apophatic approach to theology and spiritual practice was also huge in making Orthodoxy what it is today.
Bojan, since you have covered saint Chad in the past I was hoping that maybe you'd be able to cover other English saints such as Oswald or Edwin, would that be something that interests you? Long time fan, keep making good content and despite the theological differences between the RC and the Eastern Orthodox churches I hope we will continue to reach out and our churches reunite before the second coming.
Mortal Sins Explained by a Roman Catholic To be Mortal (Breaking the relationship with God) the sin must be all 3 of the below 1. Grave Matter (violating the 10 Commandments) 2. Done knowingly (you must know that it is evil) 3. Done willingly (you must mean to do evil) If you dont have all 3 criteria you dont have a mortal sin.
I used to be scrupulous. I was baptised as Catholic as an infant. I am worried every second that I'm going to hell and everything I do will bound me to hell. I would be an insane person. After baptism, I am no longer scrupulous. I really believe my scrupulousity is a demon that got drowned from the baptismal waters.
Coming from a Lutheran background (now Orthodox), scrupulosity definitely exists in Protestant traditions as well albeit in different ways. In the Reformed tradition there's obviously worrying around double predestination and whether or not you are "elect," and in Lutheranism the focus on grace through faith and insistence on total depravity definitely can promote a lot of anxiety. I grew up in a very liberal ELCA parish, but I remember from a very young age being incredibly neurotic about the ways in which I had wronged God.
A lot of the problem has to do with the concept of merit: the idea that if we do something correctly, there is some reward for it. Orthodoxy is quite refreshingly free of this, though there is a lot of folk religion here in the Balkans that relies on this concept... and the boundary between Orthodoxy and folk religion is sometimes very thin. The Catholic and Orthodox views on epiclesis also shows that the problem of scrupulosity is foundational to Catholicism. There the Liturgy is done in order for the Consecration to take place: the process is linear and prescriptive and nearly like cookery (or a spell). The Orthodox Liturgy is about the priest and people getting themselves into the zone for the Blessed Trinity to really and effectively work amongst them, it is much less to do with the specific linear actions of the priest and more to do with unquantifiables like the reality of the Resurrection, our total unworthyness, the state of everyones' hearts.
catholic do not think the eucharist is by the instigation of the priest, as if his words force god to act, we believe it totally be the work of god, the priest to us is in a way no longer there, that's why he is covered with the chasuble. i think it is better to actually ask people what they believe rather than just assume things. Also western Christians believed the words of institution to be the moment the gifts are changed long since before the schism, i wonder if st gregory the great thought of the eucharist as a "cookery" or a "spell"
@@daveunbelievable6313 You miss my point and have misrepresented what I said. The epiclesis in the Roman rite occurs at a particular point and there is a linear progression towards it, that is why I said it was like cooking. Eastern rites do not pin down the moment of change or even see the process as linear. The point I am making is that it is from this distinction that scrupulosity can and has arisen. It is the difference in emphasis between East and West and also explains why we have such difficulty communicating with each other
@@gillianc6514 oh im sorry if i misinterpreted you, but i was more going after your "spell" comment, but i hope i didn't sound angry, i have a problem with communicating. i think the problem is neither side is willing to accept that these differences run deep, there was never a perfect time in which we agreed, most of the differences between east and west were there for the majority of the first millennium, i think people imagine one side capitulating to the other, i think we need to focus on ironing out what are the key things about our faith and where can we respectfully disagree.
I was not really familiar with the term in a religious context. And if I ever heard it I would have assumed it was a good thing, because I believe there are Orthodox confession guides that go in that direction and because of this I assumed that that was the norm.
3 disclaimer if you forget not hide a mortal sin it forgiven in that confession. There is a rule that you have to mention it next time I your regular confession, but venial is not necessary. Plus you can ask your confessor if you are scrupulous he may say don't comeback to you past sins. Since in theory scrupulous people my suspended from this rule. Because any way if there was a will but you just forget or you were not sure that you did know did you had full knowledge or will or was it a sin You are forgiven!
I was born Protestant, converting to Traditional Roman Rite Catholic, scrupolosity is a demon for me. Most of the people in the very Trad community (SSPX, SSPX resistance etc) share it with me, most of the people who come out as Sedevacantists especially. Scrupolosity has left me in an almost perpetual state of fear of damnation, it's not good. As for the mortal and venial sin thing, it leaves us in a constant fear our venial sin might be mortal and so we end up confessing literally every sin because it might me mortal. When I'm baptisted etc I will probably end up this way unless my priest will understand my brain. The system itself does not make you scrupolus like you'd think. I've also spoken with Protestants, they always fear the "unforgivable sin" against the Holy Ghost. They think they committed it and since they have no confession they just think they're dead spiritually and enter deep depression. I have Aspergers and most other scrupulants I think also do. I think you covered this video very well, I just don't think the system of mortal vs venial sins cause this to exacerbate, in any other system it would still present itself. PS I think Seraphim Rose was a scrupulant, base don some quotes about converts.
you do have to confess venial sins in the Catholic church, they just arent sins that completely sever your connection. Venial sins damage your relationship with God, but do not completely sever it. This is the Catholic teaching, however u must confess venial sins you remember. Scrupulosity is a condition of any Christian who takes their faith seriously. Its a temptation to disturb your peace. You can find both eastern and western saints who dealt with scrupulosity. Also there is no strict formula for confession, you are encouraged to remember how many times you commited a sin so that the priest can understand what you are dealing with. The actual number is not important for absolution, if you tell the priest im habitually sleeping with women, then he understands what kind of life you are living, u dont need to say a number etc. I agree with ur remedy very well said.
He didn't say you didn't have to confess venial ones. He said you didn't have to do it in the confessional. While rarely discussed, official catholic teaching acknowledges confessions directly to God. The sacrement exist for guidance and assurance
Interracial marriage is categorically the same as all the Biblical examples of men taking foreign wives. It is a liminal happenstance, but there is morally absolutely nothing wrong with it. All are made in the image of God, all are brothers and sisters in Christ.
There is a lot of ethnocentrism and (in the US) a lot of hard right people. So you'll get people who will be against it. But that is BY NO MEANS the church's official position and is SUPER harmful and terrible and condemnable. 😟 But yeah. There's struggles with inter-cultural marriages, but the only official issues are with inter-faith marriages.
In catholicisme to call something a mortal sin = 1 had to be grave matter braking 10 in serious way for example masturbation ,not attending church, sex outside marriage , kill or allow to be kill , still things with great value or sentimental value like church things etc. ) We can use Catholic catechism book that explains many of grave matter. 2. Full knowledge that is bad. You did know , your a small child 3. Full accepted by your will. Ex. You were put in live fretting situation. Stress like in sucide Or you make it by accident The situation that you are willful not know is also a sin. Example When did know that not attending a church is sin , but you don't want to check it out.
Disclaimer if you don't know how many times you did a greva sin , you dider estimated or just say it happend during 5 years for example. 2 disclaimer you can confess vinal sin ,but it not nesesery since there can be forgiven by using different ways.
you must be really young. it is impossible to unify that which is contradictory. Christianity asks us to love our enemy as ourself, islam demands death for unbeleivers.
There is no official list of grave/serious matter, although some sins have been clearly identified as grave by the Catholic Church. If someone forgot to confess some of their mortal sins, there is no question about whether it was a valid confession- it was definitely valid regardless. What you're identifying there is scrupulosity, not Catholic teaching. And the reason why you confess the number of times you have committed mortal sins is so that the priest can have context to give you good advice. The problem isn't scholasticism- there's nothing wrong with thinking logically about our faith- it's the attitude of some people to confession. Fundamentally there's little difference between Catholic and Orthodox teaching as far as I'm aware- both Churches teach Christians should examine their consciences, and confess serious sins they are aware of before receiving the Holy Eucharist.
Some people struggle with thinking every time they do or think anything sinful they have lost their salvation and then realize we commit sins super frequently and it freaks them out. Martin Luther struggled hardcore with scrupulocity.
Scruplousity, as a form of OCD, should be treated by a therapist first and foremost, but a therapist who could sympathise with your religious anxieties.
A priest is also important because he could supply you with plenty of reassurance that God won't just kick you out of heaven the second you sin, God gave us plenty of time for a good reason and as it was said in the Bible "The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again."
It happens, we sin my friend, no one can abolish sin or sinful thoughts even the greatest of saints sinned till their last breath.
Remember that saint Anthony struggled with thoughts of fornication for a long life even if he was a monk who saw no woman for ages, does it make him less of a saint? No. Why? Because he just got up from his falls.
Now, God be with you.
It's alright, bad obsessive days come, they pass, they shall pass, NEVER be hard or judgy on yourself in any of these days.
You don't be hard on a person with chronic disease and tell them "just stop being ill", do you? Same with mental disorders, you can't just "snap out of it", it will need time to heal. Treat yourself well and spoil yourself if your day was bad, you deserve a break from constant worrying.
OmG, I'm pinned!!!
Thanks, Bojan!
There are Catholic & Orthodox dedicated therapists available.
I bet there's even a few online that people can find if they need them!
Wholeheartedly agree!
As someone with OCD, I understand this all too well
Thank you so much for this comment, It's helping me a lot
Some traits common to autism / aspergers, in the context of confession, can appear like scrupulosity. Those include huge attention to detail, a strong sense of justice and right and wrong; a need for clear structure, boundaries, rules and specifics; a tendency to info dump, go off on tangents and overexplain, especially when you feel it's important for another person to understand or know context. Knowing what to expect in confession beforehand, concrete examples of what is meant by 'too much/not enough details' and having a list of brief bullet points helps to keep an autistic penitent grounded, on track and 'to the point' during confession.
It can also help to have the same priest all the time and who understands that not all people think in the same way. There are priests out there who can understand the specific challenges faced by autistic believers and the trauma that tends to attach itself to our lives.
I struggled with this for years. It was absolutely debilitating and no one at my church or in my family understood what I was going through. They all had wonderful theological advice, trying to explain away my anxiety. However, trying to fix this on a spiritual level just never seemed to help. It's not that the advice was wrong, it's just that the anxiety wouldn't leave. It only started to get better when I realised that it might actually be related to childhood trauma and is a form of OCD. My hope is that anyone with scrupulosity who reads this be open to the possibility that you may need to speak to a mental health professional as well as a priest. I pray you find peace.
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My dad struggled with Scrupulosity for YEARS, even in the Orthodox Church. Now he just doesn't care as much, he just tries to educate himself on his faith (not obsessive) and believes God will understand he is trying to understand His message.
The protestant group I am from is very scrupulous. Orthodoxy is a breath of fresh air.
Was it some strict Reformed Church (hyper-Calvinist) or capitol "e" Evangelicalism (i.e. megachurches, too much over-emphasis on purity culture that borders Calvinist)? I ask this as a traditional Southern Baptist (no jam band modernist crap, no KJV-onlyism) who's leaned Wesleyan and has inquired into Orthodoxy. For us, we can be in between the Arminian and Calvinist scale.
@@HeatherGreenjsyk I actually come from an Restoration movement background with Anabaptist influences ("church of Christ"). The current "church of Christ" I am in is not too emphatic on scrupulosity though, it is pretty mainstream, but is more on the Armenian axis (though not truly Armenian as we reject limited atonement)
Bro! I'm loving your comments! I was an Evangelical for 20ish years before wanting a more solid foundation. I looked into the reformers and became a Theo-deterministic Nihilist. It was very very bad. Any sane person would have become an atheist but I'm not sane evidently. I was pulled out eventually when Dr. Leighton Flowers pointed out that the contemporaries of Augustine didn't share his views on original sin, the fulcrum on which the whole Calvinist-Arminian seesaw pivots. I was disgusted with Luther's "Bondage of the Will", Calvin's murder of a heretic, and Zwingli's barbarism. The early anabaptists were scary. I didn't know what to do or where to go. I couldn't go Catholic.. just no! I listened to Dr. Michael S. Heiser and it got my gears turning, Jourdan B Peterson was and is in vogue through whom I discovered Jonathan Pageau. From him to Fr. Seraphim Aldea's interview with Gospel Simplicity and Ten Minute Bible Hour's interviews with Orthodox priests and eventually to the wonderful content of Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and Fr. Stephen DeYoung. So on and so forth.. I'm a catechumen now. Stick around, it's great here!
@@isaiahkerstetter3142 Good for you! In terms of Free Will, I really love John Cassian's conferences (It is an old book recording his conversations with the desert fathers.) But father Seraphim is probably one of the most influential figures in my digital life too...
@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 I can say with certainty that Fr. Seraphim Aldea is why I am orthodox today. All of my intellectual objects died when I saw in him that the path to to Theosis laid out by the Fathers WORKS!
Roman Catholic here.
I used to have scrupulosity.
And I can honestly say that apart from demonic possession, there is nothing worse for your spiritual life than scrupulosity.
Who knows, scrupulosity could very well be a form of possession.
And yes, I have met Ortbodox Christians who have/had it, but they are few & far between compared to Roman Catholics.
The only way you can be cured from is by reaching out to somebody who has dealt with it, a priest, a spiritual father, a spiritual director or somebody who has a profession in helping people overcome OCD, because scrupulosity *is* actually a form of OCD.
Once your cured from it, know that it should stay away for a very long time, but it can in some cases creep back.
I hope this helps any of you 👍
I have been through it as well and just as you said, I can think of little worse for the spiritual life. Theres a quote by Teresa of Avila I think in which she says something to the effect of " until you've gone through it its a type of hell you cant understand"
Roman Catholic here, very close to converting to the American Orthodox Church. We suffer scrupulosity because although the Church I THINK doesn’t intend it, the implication is that it’s very legalistic. I have looked for a way to see it differently, but I can’t find it. This is why the emphasis on Confession before Communion is taught, BUT logically since we can’t stop sinning AT LEAST at first, you start looking at everything you do and think as “sinful/non-sinful, which leads to scrupulosity. Basically, I dont see how you can be serious about the Roman Catholic Sacraments, and NOT have scrupulosity. Just my observation.
Have you listened to the Reason and Theology chanel about Orthodoxy?
I suffer with Scrupulosity, its a living hell.
Are you still suffering with it?
So glad to hear that you are shocked at the mention of times someone sinned. I hear this originated in the Council of Trent. It sets the mind up to turn a confession into an interview that you might have here in the U.S. with a tax accountant. Your comments are apt, especially your cartoon of being dumped on with a pile off shall we say dirt. I agree with the advice..."lighten up, get a grip." Thanks!
Thank you so much, I never even knew what scrupulosity was, but it's exactly what I am going through. Every single time I think I sin, God is going to chastise me and punish me in order to correct me, and I seem to live in fear of that. Some of them are so ridiculous like ex (I mention something about pirates, but since pirates committed sins and crimes on the seas therefore I am enticing the people I'm talking to sin and think positively of pirates). It ruins my conversations and makes me feel alien and unrelating to anyone.
I also thought this was how to be pious, but your right, its a stumbling block, not a step. God bless you so much, ill try to stop being scrupulous and having to trust in Gods mercy and grace, even when I feel like hes gonna wind up a fat punch to me.
Just be patient and kind to yourself, remember that God himself is kind, loving and patient on you, so take God as an example and be kind to yourself :D
May God be with you :)
Wow thank you whoever asked this question I never heard of this before and every single little detail is exactly what I've been suffering with
Yes, it exists in Protestantism. I’m Lutheran and I suffer from it. Although it’s not as bad as it was there are lingering effects.
Mnogo hvala Bojan, it's important that this is said, in my humble opinion. This is a very important matter to me and dear to my heart. I have struggled with scrupulousity quite a while since I tend to be of rather serious and conscientious character. It took me a quite some time and very painful experiences to find the right balance between this conscientiousness and the humility to trust in the Lord and His doing. I think the attitude derived from penitential theology, scholasticism and Roman supremacy plays a role in this phenomenon, but I of course might be wrong. It's important to be aware that God loves us, even the most sinful person and awaits us with open arms.
Thank you Bojan
Bojan - what are your thoughts on Scholasticism in general in the West and (more historically) in the East?
I read in Norman Russell’s book that after the fall of Constantinople, Orthodox thought was marked by an “arid scholasticism” that spanned several centuries. Apparently this aspect was only rehabilitated after WW2 when Greek theologians embraced the thought of the Greek Fathers and were influenced by certain Western patristic scholars. Of course the rediscovery of Palamas’ mystical/apophatic approach to theology and spiritual practice was also huge in making Orthodoxy what it is today.
Bojan, since you have covered saint Chad in the past I was hoping that maybe you'd be able to cover other English saints such as Oswald or Edwin, would that be something that interests you?
Long time fan, keep making good content and despite the theological differences between the RC and the Eastern Orthodox churches I hope we will continue to reach out and our churches reunite before the second coming.
Mortal Sins Explained by a Roman Catholic
To be Mortal (Breaking the relationship with God) the sin must be all 3 of the below
1. Grave Matter (violating the 10 Commandments)
2. Done knowingly (you must know that it is evil)
3. Done willingly (you must mean to do evil)
If you dont have all 3 criteria you dont have a mortal sin.
I used to be scrupulous. I was baptised as Catholic as an infant. I am worried every second that I'm going to hell and everything I do will bound me to hell. I would be an insane person.
After baptism, I am no longer scrupulous. I really believe my scrupulousity is a demon that got drowned from the baptismal waters.
Coming from a Lutheran background (now Orthodox), scrupulosity definitely exists in Protestant traditions as well albeit in different ways. In the Reformed tradition there's obviously worrying around double predestination and whether or not you are "elect," and in Lutheranism the focus on grace through faith and insistence on total depravity definitely can promote a lot of anxiety. I grew up in a very liberal ELCA parish, but I remember from a very young age being incredibly neurotic about the ways in which I had wronged God.
I needed that, thank you!
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one of my favourite moments from your videos so far. a very child-like,"i dunnooo" hahaha
A lot of the problem has to do with the concept of merit: the idea that if we do something correctly, there is some reward for it. Orthodoxy is quite refreshingly free of this, though there is a lot of folk religion here in the Balkans that relies on this concept... and the boundary between Orthodoxy and folk religion is sometimes very thin.
The Catholic and Orthodox views on epiclesis also shows that the problem of scrupulosity is foundational to Catholicism. There the Liturgy is done in order for the Consecration to take place: the process is linear and prescriptive and nearly like cookery (or a spell). The Orthodox Liturgy is about the priest and people getting themselves into the zone for the Blessed Trinity to really and effectively work amongst them, it is much less to do with the specific linear actions of the priest and more to do with unquantifiables like the reality of the Resurrection, our total unworthyness, the state of everyones' hearts.
catholic do not think the eucharist is by the instigation of the priest, as if his words force god to act, we believe it totally be the work of god, the priest to us is in a way no longer there, that's why he is covered with the chasuble. i think it is better to actually ask people what they believe rather than just assume things. Also western Christians believed the words of institution to be the moment the gifts are changed long since before the schism, i wonder if st gregory the great thought of the eucharist as a "cookery" or a "spell"
@@daveunbelievable6313 You miss my point and have misrepresented what I said. The epiclesis in the Roman rite occurs at a particular point and there is a linear progression towards it, that is why I said it was like cooking. Eastern rites do not pin down the moment of change or even see the process as linear. The point I am making is that it is from this distinction that scrupulosity can and has arisen. It is the difference in emphasis between East and West and also explains why we have such difficulty communicating with each other
@@gillianc6514 oh im sorry if i misinterpreted you, but i was more going after your "spell" comment, but i hope i didn't sound angry, i have a problem with communicating. i think the problem is neither side is willing to accept that these differences run deep, there was never a perfect time in which we agreed, most of the differences between east and west were there for the majority of the first millennium, i think people imagine one side capitulating to the other, i think we need to focus on ironing out what are the key things about our faith and where can we respectfully disagree.
Bojan, what are some of your favourite books?
Whether they be prayer books, spiritual books, non-fiction, fiction, etc?
I was not really familiar with the term in a religious context. And if I ever heard it I would have assumed it was a good thing, because I believe there are Orthodox confession guides that go in that direction and because of this I assumed that that was the norm.
3 disclaimer if you forget not hide a mortal sin it forgiven in that confession. There is a rule that you have to mention it next time I your regular confession, but venial is not necessary. Plus you can ask your confessor if you are scrupulous he may say don't comeback to you past sins. Since in theory scrupulous people my suspended from this rule.
Because any way if there was a will but you just forget or you were not sure that you did know did you had full knowledge or will or was it a sin
You are forgiven!
I requested batushka video. Again, u helped me with this video a lot
I was a Protestant with a huge scrupulosity and I only lasted a week before becoming an atheist (I’m not an athiest now)
I was born Protestant, converting to Traditional Roman Rite Catholic, scrupolosity is a demon for me. Most of the people in the very Trad community (SSPX, SSPX resistance etc) share it with me, most of the people who come out as Sedevacantists especially. Scrupolosity has left me in an almost perpetual state of fear of damnation, it's not good.
As for the mortal and venial sin thing, it leaves us in a constant fear our venial sin might be mortal and so we end up confessing literally every sin because it might me mortal. When I'm baptisted etc I will probably end up this way unless my priest will understand my brain. The system itself does not make you scrupolus like you'd think.
I've also spoken with Protestants, they always fear the "unforgivable sin" against the Holy Ghost. They think they committed it and since they have no confession they just think they're dead spiritually and enter deep depression.
I have Aspergers and most other scrupulants I think also do. I think you covered this video very well, I just don't think the system of mortal vs venial sins cause this to exacerbate, in any other system it would still present itself.
PS I think Seraphim Rose was a scrupulant, base don some quotes about converts.
you do have to confess venial sins in the Catholic church, they just arent sins that completely sever your connection. Venial sins damage your relationship with God, but do not completely sever it. This is the Catholic teaching, however u must confess venial sins you remember.
Scrupulosity is a condition of any Christian who takes their faith seriously. Its a temptation to disturb your peace. You can find both eastern and western saints who dealt with scrupulosity.
Also there is no strict formula for confession, you are encouraged to remember how many times you commited a sin so that the priest can understand what you are dealing with. The actual number is not important for absolution, if you tell the priest im habitually sleeping with women, then he understands what kind of life you are living, u dont need to say a number etc.
I agree with ur remedy very well said.
He didn't say you didn't have to confess venial ones. He said you didn't have to do it in the confessional. While rarely discussed, official catholic teaching acknowledges confessions directly to God. The sacrement exist for guidance and assurance
So, when I confess watching Creepshow Art drama vids, should I mention every video and every creator or not?
Conditional sins turned me away from Rome. Thank God He allowed me to discover Holy Orthodox.
Ok, I surrender. Subscribed.
Why would you laugh at someone's disease? Beware!
Can you make a video on Orthodox view on interracial marriage ?
Interracial marriage is categorically the same as all the Biblical examples of men taking foreign wives. It is a liminal happenstance, but there is morally absolutely nothing wrong with it. All are made in the image of God, all are brothers and sisters in Christ.
@@Joshualbatross thats my belief but i heard different things from diff people
@@exiledknight3961 they are victims of the heresy of Phyletism. Pity them and pray for their salvation, they are going to need it.
There is a lot of ethnocentrism and (in the US) a lot of hard right people. So you'll get people who will be against it. But that is BY NO MEANS the church's official position and is SUPER harmful and terrible and condemnable. 😟 But yeah. There's struggles with inter-cultural marriages, but the only official issues are with inter-faith marriages.
In catholicisme to call something a mortal sin =
1 had to be grave matter
braking 10 in serious way for example masturbation ,not attending church, sex outside marriage , kill or allow to be kill , still things with great value or sentimental value like church things etc. ) We can use Catholic catechism book that explains many of grave matter.
2. Full knowledge that is bad.
You did know , your a small child
3. Full accepted by your will.
Ex. You were put in live fretting situation. Stress like in sucide
Or you make it by accident
The situation that you are willful not know is also a sin. Example
When did know that not attending a church is sin , but you don't want to check it out.
Disclaimer if you don't know how many times you did a greva sin , you dider estimated or just say it happend during 5 years for example.
2 disclaimer you can confess vinal sin ,but it not nesesery since there can be forgiven by using different ways.
What are your opinions on those that believe in a form of universal religion transcendent and unifying beliefs of all religions?
Christ is Risen.
That is heresy
@@josephpack7315 didn't ask you
@@ArielRyanBautista1313 but still I answered, and still I am correct. First time on the internets?
you must be really young.
it is impossible to unify that which is contradictory. Christianity asks us to love our enemy as ourself, islam demands death for unbeleivers.
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There is no official list of grave/serious matter, although some sins have been clearly identified as grave by the Catholic Church. If someone forgot to confess some of their mortal sins, there is no question about whether it was a valid confession- it was definitely valid regardless. What you're identifying there is scrupulosity, not Catholic teaching. And the reason why you confess the number of times you have committed mortal sins is so that the priest can have context to give you good advice. The problem isn't scholasticism- there's nothing wrong with thinking logically about our faith- it's the attitude of some people to confession. Fundamentally there's little difference between Catholic and Orthodox teaching as far as I'm aware- both Churches teach Christians should examine their consciences, and confess serious sins they are aware of before receiving the Holy Eucharist.
If someone asks me if that particular sin is mortal or venial I just say "sin is sin"
Exactly! This was the source of my scrupulosity when I was a Roman Catholic.
your view is very un-Biblical
Protestant here: ... what?
Some people struggle with thinking every time they do or think anything sinful they have lost their salvation and then realize we commit sins super frequently and it freaks them out. Martin Luther struggled hardcore with scrupulocity.
@@johnathanrhoades7751 - yes and Luther's solution was heresy
It's religious OCD.