This is what the world needs. Do more of these videos. Go on more adventures with these knives and tools that Blade HQ sells. Show how much fun you can have being outdoors.
I completely agree. Stores like blade HQ and Leatherman are the companies that help to enable some of the most beautiful things. They're not critical to having experiences like these, but they sure as hell help.
House of jello found the coordinates! They are: 45.104173 -109.864935. Happy hunting! The GAW is over. Congratulations to Michael Hilliard on winning the FC-5.
PLOT TWIST! Ben created the hunt so he could go on a backpacking trip with his friends, and get paid doing it. Annddd since Ben would never lie he knew that a knife brand would sponsor the video and give a knife so there actually was a prize at the end. BOOM!
I'm a closet knife guy. Not including my time in scouting, I've never been really part of a community that enjoys the sharp slicey things. I've been lurking on TH-cam and Reddit. This made me finally subscribe. I've watched several BladeHQ vids, this is easily the best one. Keep it up guys
The adventure and the destination was the real prize. Even if there wasn't any treasure all 13 of the people who made it there were the real winners. Good job to all of you for taking on a real adventure. Keep the awsome videos coming BHQ! Thank you.
Y'all should do more videos like this one. I'm in the military and stationed overseas and I love to watch ya'll's videos. I never have any problems when I order from you. Keep up the great work.
I completely agree, these kinds of videos and the kind of "Let's test out some knives in our office" videos are my favorite. I enjoy hearing about the host's stories and what they've done with the knife or tool, but it's just so much more enjoyable to see them do it on video.
This is the reason i love BladeHQ so much, really seem like cool guys and gals you can chill with. I love giving you my business! This was great to watch!
I love all Blade HQ videos, but these films are amazing! The Blade HQ youtube channel really sets them apart from their competition. I’ve learned so much from them and love buying from them over other retailers.
This is exactly what good marketing is, it doesnt feel forced at all, is just a pretext for an adventure and a bit of fun, you people are one of my favourite yt channels because of that :,)
These adventures you go on @bladehq are truly the modern day Goonies, thank you for keeping my hope alive that we’re still all finding our own treasure!
I just started watching blade HQ for about two weeks now and I get so in to the shows with a big smile on my face, all I can say you guys are amazing, keep up the great shows.
Here's what I got: (0:03) 4 (0:10) 5 (0:13) .1 (0:18) 0 (0:25) tiny unreadable number at bottom of montana- 4 or 9? (0:53) 1 after top left heart pops (2:14) "who has two fingers and jus7 wasted your time?" (2:42) "this guy right h3re" (5:45 - 5:51) -1 upper right hand (6:09) 0 on the red backpack (6:36) 9 over "US" (6:46) little smudge at the end of the red arrow (7:38) 6 in the gleam of the paddle (7:54) 4 over Matthew on his flamingo (8:14) 9 over Ben (9:46) "sorry if you'r3 colorblind" (10:18) about 200 "s's" and I'm fairly certain one 5 on the left side of the screen. That gives us: 45.10X173 -109.X64935. F@%& you Matthew, that was the most miserable experience of my life.
That was so COOL!!! I took my daughter on the Motor Mountain Jeep scavenger hunts for custom belt buckles...no luck. We did have a fantastic time in the process. Thank you so much for taking us all on the adventure!
I kind of expected a geo cache to drop via drone! Lol. Any word from the bus on reddit afterwards? I knew Zack would pull out the Win in the oar contest since he has a background, but the standing dead wood was a great idea too! That looks like a very purpose built blade.... may have to pick one up, but to win one would be great! As always, PAY YOUR EDIT GUY WELL BLADE HQ! HE ALWAYS KILLS IT!
jeff weber Whoever had this idea is genius. I liked the competition videos and them bringing in youtubers to do reviews. This just revolutionized the YT knife community.
I just got my first ever Blade HQ delivery ever for national knife day. If it wasn't for this channel i wouldn't have even known Blade HQ exists. Your vids are awesome, funny and informative. Keep up the great work guys.
I love that Blade HQ is all about spontaneous adventure and having the right gear to enjoy it! Keep showcasing awesome products through great videos like this.
Looking for the GPS coordinates in your video feels like I'm getting my eyes tested with that machine at the eye doctors office where there's obscure movements randomly on the screen. Looks like an awesome adventure!
I made them pretty tough. To be honest, there are some you might not get because they're too small. If you can find the timecode for all of them, I'll tell you what the numbers at the times are! - Matthew
I got as far as 0:03 4 0:10 5 0:13 .1 0:18 0 2:14 red text in the center of the screen that can't be read 2:42 red text bottom left that is maybe "The [something] right here" Then stopped seeing them for a few minutes and didn't want to take the time to re-watch the whole video. Let's face it, I'm not going to be hiking out there anytime soon...
It was a cool adventure and a chance to use one of the best knives on the market right now. Great design, awesome steel, very good sheath. Whats not to like? Good job guys. I enjoyed watching your adventure.
I mean no offense to Matt or Ben... but I was positive Zack was winning that challenge right from the start. He is super crafty. I was waiting for Ben to find something to color his paddle blue for some style points.
I love that you do these "adventure" videos from time to time on your TH-cam Channel, far more interesting than just lay-on-the-table knife reviews for sure!
As always, another great story!! Thanks Guys! Plus, all three paddles were excellent examples of what can be done with a knife, some ingenuity and imagination, great work gentlemen!
I really enjoyed this video! I thinks it’s super awesome how a bunch of random people met, not knowing each other just because of 6 picture on the internet. Thanks guys for sharing this adventure with us.
I bet if you go back on the Reddit you will see all of you on an updated satellite image of the lake. I think that might of been the time it passes over that spot.
Ever since I first discovered Blade HQ's channel, it's been an amazing, informative, entertaining journey. I can't express just how much I love the adventures that you take on, for the sake of the Internets. This was incredible to watch, and I am elated that you guys did this challenge! The flamingos, epic. Zack's paddle - epic, but that other paddle did have so much character! That's my choice if trapped alone on an island, it could be the new Wilson! Great job guys, seriously. Thank you for sharing this.
You guys are having too much fun! Thank you for all the great content and for your generously. Hope you have more adventurous soon! And thank you again and again!
What. Is. Up guys?! I just can’t seem to get enough of your videos. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m a knife/gadget geek, but you guys manage to put together an incredible variety of content. Keep it up!
I love this video. It’s great to see a video that really shows how fun it can be to go out and use your tools. There aren’t a lot of videos that really show that on TH-cam.
how does this video not have hundred of thousands? these guys deserve more. nice show. please blade hq, more vids about real adventures in the wild, with tips and tricks and KNIVES.
I think the hole point of it was to bring people together as a community. I also thought it was a great way to met new people and just go see a beautiful place that not that many people would see.
To be honest with you guys, I miss this kinds of videos. Was a nice time and I still watch again and again :D let‘s grab your stuff and go outside to let the world see this nice country.
The greatest treasure to be found, outside, away from it all, in nature! Inside yourself you find the divine and “carve” out some time for your mind!!! Great video fellas!!
This is one of the best videos you guys have made! Knife review videos are nice, but I think showing how you can use the awesome knives you review is even better, especially if it’s on an adventure.
Big ups to the camera guy! Excellent video and shot really well. Felt like I was adventuring along with you guys! The trip looked like it was genuinely a lot of fun!
That looked like an awesome adventure, to bad nothing happened. Anyways, thanks for all the great videos, I watch knife banter all the time. Nice job bladehq!
Hi don’t pick me to win 16 but just wanted to say how much i love this type of video on the channel because of the change in pace. And how you guys seem to truly enjoy the trip just to hang out and go for a climb. :)
I love these videos where you test your own knives that you sell. These really are my favorites and that’s why I get knives from Blade HQ! You guys are the best!
This is what the world needs. Do more of these videos. Go on more adventures with these knives and tools that Blade HQ sells. Show how much fun you can have being outdoors.
Craig Sanderson I get that these kind of videos are a bit more money and time intensive, but it's nice seeing the knives used in a realistic scenario.
Agreed. These videos are great! I'm okay with watching them sit at a table and talk, but videos like this are so much more entertaining.
Hell yeah, I’d much rather watch someone get some actual use out of a knife than just tell me what it can do
I completely agree. Stores like blade HQ and Leatherman are the companies that help to enable some of the most beautiful things. They're not critical to having experiences like these, but they sure as hell help.
I totally agree man. Use those knives and put them to work. No need to buy knives and store inside a drawer.
These videos are the reason I buy from your company
Dustin Mervin I totally agree
Me too, way cool company!
And the drawings you can request are definitely the best
Trashflips the drawings are another reason I ignore large discounts from manufacturers and go threw the HQ
Same here man, I love everything about bladehq, theyre just a great overall company!
House of jello found the coordinates! They are: 45.104173 -109.864935. Happy hunting! The GAW is over. Congratulations to Michael Hilliard on winning the FC-5.
PLOT TWIST! Ben created the hunt so he could go on a backpacking trip with his friends, and get paid doing it. Annddd since Ben would never lie he knew that a knife brand would sponsor the video and give a knife so there actually was a prize at the end. BOOM!
Probably this
You know I feel like it's something they would do to mess with people but it's cool any way it comes
I was thinking the same thing.
I like it.
PLOT TWIST: The guy who sent them there was actually right their with them and was just wanting to make new friends.
Arturo Molina lol getteeeem
Ha. Awesome thought.
Lol love it
He would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids
Interesting idea!
I got to admit more stuff like this video guarantee's I will be a BladeHQ subscriber FOREVER.
yea, this video was pretty awesome!
Probably one of my favorite blade hq videos. Super cool idea and what an awesome way to get out and enjoy nature. I may try this in my area.
Ikr. Was a great video and seemed like a great adventure too!
It got me to watch the video who doesn't like a treasure hunt
This was so cool!!! And giving an opportunity for us working family peeps to win a knife too......priceless!!
I can't support my knife hobby and an outdoor adventuring hobby simultaneously. Guess I'm not feeding my kids anymore, sacrifices must be made.
Hmmm🤔... seems reasonable lol
I’m in the same boat man! Weep for the children.
I know that feeling I have a dang job that prevents me from going on week long camping trips, but hey what can you do.
This si definitely a good idea. Knives are more important I support this decision.
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
What's better than an outdoor adventure? An outdoor adventure with knives and BLADEHQ!
Keep up the good work guys!
Period and comma on your keyboard are your frame by frame controls on TH-cam. Have fun!
Blade HQ luv the rafts u guys chose
Bakken Cutter I was thinking the same thing lol.
I wish I could head out to Montana and have as much fun as you guys had, but I guess I have to settle for the giveaway instead!
Montana is a great place. Born and raised there
I doubt I’ll ever get out that way...but still, looks like the crew had a ton of fun!
Without these videos I wouldn't have even known Blade HQ was a thing nor would I be a customer. I now know and am. Keep up the crazy!
Exactly. I have ordered three knives because of these videos.
I remember I found out about them from the, "Grandpa knives" video.
I'm a closet knife guy. Not including my time in scouting, I've never been really part of a community that enjoys the sharp slicey things. I've been lurking on TH-cam and Reddit. This made me finally subscribe. I've watched several BladeHQ vids, this is easily the best one. Keep it up guys
The adventure and the destination was the real prize. Even if there wasn't any treasure all 13 of the people who made it there were the real winners. Good job to all of you for taking on a real adventure. Keep the awsome videos coming BHQ! Thank you.
Y'all should do more videos like this one. I'm in the military and stationed overseas and I love to watch ya'll's videos. I never have any problems when I order from you. Keep up the great work.
thanks for your service, Broheim. Stay safe.
I completely agree, these kinds of videos and the kind of "Let's test out some knives in our office" videos are my favorite. I enjoy hearing about the host's stories and what they've done with the knife or tool, but it's just so much more enjoyable to see them do it on video.
Thank you for your service sir.
This is the reason i love BladeHQ so much, really seem like cool guys and gals you can chill with. I love giving you my business! This was great to watch!
Agree, Blade HQ is always the first place I check to buy my knives.
I love all Blade HQ videos, but these films are amazing! The Blade HQ youtube channel really sets them apart from their competition. I’ve learned so much from them and love buying from them over other retailers.
Thanks for including us in the fun, guys! Now, I have to go watch this thing over and over again, apparently.
This is by far my favorite video from you guys. Keep up the awesome work!
This is exactly what good marketing is, it doesnt feel forced at all, is just a pretext for an adventure and a bit of fun, you people are one of my favourite yt channels because of that :,)
These adventures you go on @bladehq are truly the modern day Goonies, thank you for keeping my hope alive that we’re still all finding our own treasure!
I just started watching blade HQ for about two weeks now and I get so in to the shows with a big smile on my face, all I can say you guys are amazing, keep up the great shows.
Whaaaaaat iiiiiiiiis up with that paddle
J03y Mac i expect no more from Ben. God bless his cheapskate heart.
J03y Mac well played!
he tried his best :')
Here's what I got:
(0:03) 4
(0:10) 5
(0:13) .1
(0:18) 0
(0:25) tiny unreadable number at bottom of montana- 4 or 9?
(0:53) 1 after top left heart pops
(2:14) "who has two fingers and jus7 wasted your time?"
(2:42) "this guy right h3re"
(5:45 - 5:51) -1 upper right hand
(6:09) 0 on the red backpack
(6:36) 9 over "US"
(6:46) little smudge at the end of the red arrow
(7:38) 6 in the gleam of the paddle
(7:54) 4 over Matthew on his flamingo
(8:14) 9 over Ben
(9:46) "sorry if you'r3 colorblind"
(10:18) about 200 "s's" and I'm fairly certain one 5 on the left side of the screen.
That gives us: 45.10X173 -109.X64935.
F@%& you Matthew, that was the most miserable experience of my life.
(10:20) "fyi, six digits after the decimal in the coordinates"
(10:21) "have fun"
(10:22) troll face.
DING DING DING! We have a winner! Full coordinates are: 45.104173, -109.864935. Readysetgo!
YAAAASSSSS
That was so COOL!!! I took my daughter on the Motor Mountain Jeep scavenger hunts for custom belt buckles...no luck. We did have a fantastic time in the process. Thank you so much for taking us all on the adventure!
Big thumbs up for everything Blade HQ does.
Knife Banter v Discovery Channel... Knife Banter all the way 👊🏻
I kind of expected a geo cache to drop via drone! Lol.
Any word from the bus on reddit afterwards?
I knew Zack would pull out the Win in the oar contest since he has a background, but the standing dead wood was a great idea too!
That looks like a very purpose built blade.... may have to pick one up, but to win one would be great!
As always, PAY YOUR EDIT GUY WELL BLADE HQ! HE ALWAYS KILLS IT!
Jarrid O'Bryan the editing always makes me laugh in these videos
I hope the guy posts something about why he sent the out there
Only bladehq team will wake up at 9am with such excitement after sleeping in a tent like that. Great video guys👍👍
Man this was the golden age of BHQ right here. I miss the days of Ben, Zac and Jaime doing goofy stuff or adventure videos.
Really Awesome Treasure Hunt Adventure!👍😄👍
OcOmega Shadow flamingo adventure for the win!
Wish they linked the reddit thread
I've been a subscriber for years and I have to say you guys are really stepping up your game in the last couple of years. Awesome video!!!!
jeff weber Whoever had this idea is genius. I liked the competition videos and them bringing in youtubers to do reviews. This just revolutionized the YT knife community.
That's cuz Ben came back to BHQ 2 year ago haha!
I always liked Ben more than Mark.
I just got my first ever Blade HQ delivery ever for national knife day. If it wasn't for this channel i wouldn't have even known Blade HQ exists. Your vids are awesome, funny and informative. Keep up the great work guys.
Gotta love the interwebz! Mysterious map on Reddit + Generous sponsor = awesome wild goose chase with knives into the middle of nowhere.
The prize was the adventure
Zombie Pigman sounds familiar
Zombie Pigman and the new friendships !
Indeed it was. I honestly believe that that was the dude's intention. To get people outdoors and have an adventure.
Yep I agree with this. I bet the guy just wanted people to get out there and have some fun.
Can’t go wrong with any sort of adventure!
Bahahahaha...Ben's paddle made me cry a bit!!! Lmao!
Knives, Fish, Firearms I was feeling a little squeamish 🤢
Ben's paddle needed a blue handle, you know?
Honestly the best video that Blade HQ ever uploaded.
I love that Blade HQ is all about spontaneous adventure and having the right gear to enjoy it! Keep showcasing awesome products through great videos like this.
Looking for the GPS coordinates in your video feels like I'm getting my eyes tested with that machine at the eye doctors office where there's obscure movements randomly on the screen. Looks like an awesome adventure!
I made them pretty tough. To be honest, there are some you might not get because they're too small. If you can find the timecode for all of them, I'll tell you what the numbers at the times are! - Matthew
I got as far as
0:03 4
0:10 5
0:13 .1
0:18 0
2:14 red text in the center of the screen that can't be read
2:42 red text bottom left that is maybe "The [something] right here"
Then stopped seeing them for a few minutes and didn't want to take the time to re-watch the whole video. Let's face it, I'm not going to be hiking out there anytime soon...
So far so good! You made it easier for whoever tries their hand next! - Matthew
Get it, Anthony! This is right up your alley. ;) I haven't even wanted to jump in frame by frame and see the hot mess Matthew left. -Ben
I agree I’ve been sitting here for what feels like an hour minutes on a small tablet screen squinting for one of those minute red spots
Realistically were you at least a little worried this guy was a physco killer
Luke Nienstadt absolutely!
With my luck he would've been haha
I would've
Ben"naah"
i mean who would'nt be
Very fun video guys, thank you for filming and bringing us along. Also.. we all know Ben really won the contest for best paddle.
It was a cool adventure and a chance to use one of the best knives on the market right now. Great design, awesome steel, very good sheath. Whats not to like? Good job guys. I enjoyed watching your adventure.
The power of the internet! However this makes an interesting story/video to tell or show others.
Still a cool trip loved the "rafts"lol
Yeah the whole time they were saying rafts then whip out flamingo floats lol
You guys just experienced my dream vacation! Glad to see the blade HQ team making life simple and fun. Cheers
I love the way you guys interact with your followers, buyers, and friends! Great sense of community!
Up a frozen lake with a paddle.🤔
Well at least they made some for the adventure
Well it was the middle of June
I think they just did that so they could have a cool completion on who could make the best paddle😂😂
Hahaha I love Ben's paddle!
It was the best one
Ben's paddle looks more like a rake haha.
Zacks paddle is what really impressed, crafty SOB
I mean no offense to Matt or Ben... but I was positive Zack was winning that challenge right from the start. He is super crafty. I was waiting for Ben to find something to color his paddle blue for some style points.
Lol
I love that you do these "adventure" videos from time to time on your TH-cam Channel, far more interesting than just lay-on-the-table knife reviews for sure!
As always, another great story!! Thanks Guys! Plus, all three paddles were excellent examples of what can be done with a knife, some ingenuity and imagination, great work gentlemen!
Dangggg man that hike up the hill looked like a butt kicker
The whole thing looked rough ha
Yet they all kicked it's butt and the sweet spot they set camp in had some killer views. Totally worth it!!!
That would be a nice backpacking trip and I think that that’s worth it
I really love the types of fun videos Blade HQ dose. Good job guys, can’t wait to see what’s next.
I really enjoyed this video! I thinks it’s super awesome how a bunch of random people met, not knowing each other just because of 6 picture on the internet. Thanks guys for sharing this adventure with us.
"we brought rafts" lol
I luaughed so hard at that part
I don't know what a paddle would have done with those. I should have guessed they would bring some stylish rafts.
Paddle making contest at the grand opening celebration?
EpicSnuggleBunny And the winner gets one good whack on the behind with their own paddle.
EpicSnuggleBunny might have to drive to Utah if that’s a thing 😂
Could’ve been so cool
He didn’t stand you up at all, like you said: it was an adventure. Thanks for taking us all along!
Best 11 minutes ever uploaded to TH-cam! Nice job.
Dwight Schrute would be proud of those paddles, not so mich the rafts.
I bet if you go back on the Reddit you will see all of you on an updated satellite image of the lake. I think that might of been the time it passes over that spot.
Nope, just checked.....at least it wasn't updated yet.
That would be a tiny bit of a reward I guess
Ever since I first discovered Blade HQ's channel, it's been an amazing, informative, entertaining journey. I can't express just how much I love the adventures that you take on, for the sake of the Internets. This was incredible to watch, and I am elated that you guys did this challenge! The flamingos, epic. Zack's paddle - epic, but that other paddle did have so much character! That's my choice if trapped alone on an island, it could be the new Wilson! Great job guys, seriously. Thank you for sharing this.
You guys are having too much fun! Thank you for all the great content and for your generously. Hope you have more adventurous soon! And thank you again and again!
PLOT TWIST: its actually cardi b waiting to drug and rob them
Jake Welsh this is what first came to my head.
My six year old son said can we go get it. Sorry son that's a long trip from Florida
What. Is. Up guys?! I just can’t seem to get enough of your videos. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m a knife/gadget geek, but you guys manage to put together an incredible variety of content. Keep it up!
I love this video. It’s great to see a video that really shows how fun it can be to go out and use your tools. There aren’t a lot of videos that really show that on TH-cam.
Was it a troll, or some one that's helping us get off our ass and get back to nature. Thats the real treasure good times with loved ones!!
Yeeeessssiiirrrr another Banger! 😤👊👊👊😤😤🔥🔥🔥🔥 oh yea and new mission impossible what??? This is where it is at! 🔥🔥🔥🦁🦁🦁👊👊👊💪💪💪💪💪👏🤤😪😏😤
Got what you wanted?
Too bad it's US only, I am watching this all away from Greenland 🇬🇱 thumbs up for that 😁👍
Zach’s paddle was definitely impressive! Great video guys!
First like
Yeah fun
Yama Lama congratulations.( im replying to enter the giveaway).
Keep Grinding Yama Lama 💪💪💪👊👊👊😤😤😤
how does this video not have hundred of thousands? these guys deserve more. nice show. please blade hq, more vids about real adventures in the wild, with tips and tricks and KNIVES.
I think the hole point of it was to bring people together as a community. I also thought it was a great way to met new people and just go see a beautiful place that not that many people would see.
Thank you for the constant entertainment.
Cheers from Canada!
Awesome looking knife, and a once in a life time adventure. Thanks for letting us be a part of it:
Thank you for taking us all on the adventure with you. It was enjoyable from my warm and cozy house. Cheers from California.
Solid paddle Zac! Maybe that was the reward? An adventure with your friends. Doesn't get much better than that.
Best blade HQ video I've seen in a long time.
It's amazing to see that there are still people who can appreciate a good bacpaking trip
I forgot about you guys for a while and these videos have brought me back. Great stuff
To be honest with you guys, I miss this kinds of videos. Was a nice time and I still watch again and again :D let‘s grab your stuff and go outside to let the world see this nice country.
The greatest treasure to be found, outside, away from it all, in nature! Inside yourself you find the divine and “carve” out some time for your mind!!! Great video fellas!!
We need more of these type videos, beautiful scenery n showing the knives at work.
This is the Content The world needs to see. Thank you for making my day better
This made me wistful about cooler weather camping and hiking! Can not wait to enjoy the first frosty night of fall.
This is one of the best videos you guys have made! Knife review videos are nice, but I think showing how you can use the awesome knives you review is even better, especially if it’s on an adventure.
Big ups to the camera guy! Excellent video and shot really well. Felt like I was adventuring along with you guys! The trip looked like it was genuinely a lot of fun!
Love this video. I can't do these kind of adventures anymore, but can live vircariously through videos like this. Thank You!
The pink flamingos are a very nice touch!!
im new to the community but im glad that this was the first channel i found, this shows all you need is some friends to have a good time.
One of the best videos I've seen in some time. I dearly missing being able to go out in the wilderness! Congratulations on the awesome adventure.
Beautiful Beautiful trip guys!!! I'm a little jealous rite now.... looked like so much fun! Thanx guys!
That looked like an awesome adventure, to bad nothing happened. Anyways, thanks for all the great videos, I watch knife banter all the time. Nice job bladehq!
I totally would've gone on that adventure! It's good to see Ben use a knife that isn't tiny and blue.
Hi don’t pick me to win 16 but just wanted to say how much i love this type of video on the channel because of the change in pace. And how you guys seem to truly enjoy the trip just to hang out and go for a climb. :)
It’s nice to see such a big knife community!
Awesome knives congratulations to Zac for Winning the paddle contest
One of the best blade hq videos!
I love you adventure/in the field videos!!! Looks like you all had such a great time!!
That looked like a great adventure with great people and a knife! I'm jealous!! Thanks Blade HQ for the great vids!
I love these videos where you test your own knives that you sell. These really are my favorites and that’s why I get knives from Blade HQ! You guys are the best!
This is the best video you guys have put out period. Come back up here more often!