New Tesla Model 3 Highland VS New BMW i4: One Of These EVs Is Clearly The Better Car!
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! At the 2024 Chicago Auto Show, Andre and Roman get hands-on with the revamped 'Highland' Tesla Model 3. While the automaker is still comfortably in the lead in terms of model sales, it's far from the only EV player in town these days. Rivals like the BMW i4 are gunning for Tesla, so does this new Model 3 do enough to maintain its dominance over the competition?
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You whine too much, as if being an automotive journalist you shouldn't understand the whole price bubble with all cars, the immense benefit to the buyers that a company is, for once, REDUCING PRICES like, you know, computers have been doing for the last 40 years!
Because it decimates resale value for current owners of the cars. All cars lose value after leaving the lot, but if they drop by $30,000-$40,000 over the course of a few months like the Model S and Model X did in 2023, some buyers will be put-off by purchasing cars from that manufacture.
@@justin9152 you're ignoring the price markups most legacy dealers were adding to most cars at the same time. It was everywhere.
@@justin9152 Oh no, my car value dropped by 2k! Anyway I am selling my car and buying the new one at the discounted price.
You're assuming you aren't buying the same car. Your car dropping in value doesn't matter if its value drop is because the car can be bought brand new for cheaper. And it isn't like other cars aren't affected either.
11:38 All cars depreciate heavily, my mom bought a 53k Cadillac for 17k, a 2 yr old car with 30k miles. You bought at peak prices, its good for consumers that prices are dropping. At least Tesla is not ultra greedy and trying to keep proces high like all other companies. You really don't give Tesla a fair shake, the only reason EVs are even a thing is because of Tesla and their supercharger network, without their charging network, EVs would not work for most people. I love my Y and the range is fine even on road trips in cold, but 99.999% of the time we aren't on road trips and just charge at home, its so much more convenient than gas cars.
Toyota
Drop in Tesla prices? Early adopter problem. Early adopter with high incomes. Tesla has said all along it was going to drop prices to make their cars available for everyone.
Funny of you not to mention the price drop coincided with higher inventory and slowing sales before the massive price cuts in the beginning of 2023.
@@justin9152 Not funny at all. Of course Tesla would raise prices when demand exceeded supply. Musk said the prices for Models Y and 3 were "embarrassingly high". When demand at that price fell off, well that's when Tesla began to cut prices, and they were ready for that. In the last year the average cost to produce a Tesla across all Models was down $3000 to $36,000. Incredible! They're still the only company outside BYD to make a profit on EVs. They will cut prices more to keep selling more cars. Tesla will soon have the next gen small Teslas starting a $25,000 with the innovative Modular Manufacturing System and that, with other innovations, will make them profitable too.
He probably got 2x back the Model 3 price from his youtube channel. 😁
@@rsamd make that 3X, and he will buy the Highland and make another 3X to 4X off the views of that series of videos. If they bought that BMW, they would lose money on the videos of that ultra boring brick on four wheels! I figure they would make only 0.25X on that one because nobody wants those! Their attempt to polish that turd, show how out of touch they are or is indicative of promotional dollars flowing to them to push this flagging in sales, model by trying to influence us! Good try BMW, but no German cigar for you!
“EVs are too expensive!”
*big price drops to shrink the gap with ICE cars*
“Ugh price drops?! EVs don’t retain their value!”
I have owned a BMW I4 edrive40 for a year now and done 17 000 miles. Real range is from 250 to 380 from winter to summer. Rain sensors work, parking sensors work all works. Have no issues so far. (Haven't been back to the dealer)
How much was it 65,00?
@@amirtz3342 61 000 with 4 winter tires and 6 years service included
@@amirtz3342 I have the top trim i4 M50 and it cost $77k (on my profile). Real range on 19inch tires is 270 miles during mid-spring to mid-fall and as low as 180 miles during the winter when the temp dropped to the mid teens Fahrenheit. The good news is where I live, our cold weather is around mid 30's F and that leave me with 220 mile range which still gets me to the office & back without having to charge outside my home.
@@obieWanmotivationit is a great car for that price I would buy a model S.
We have an i4 eDrive40 since June 2023 and love it. Test drove multiple cars before settling on the i4. Interesting that the i4 in this video is pre-facelift ~April 2023 with the old style gear shifter.
I can’t believe we’re still judging the value and utility of EVs based on whether or not it has a frunk.
Simple - cars depreciate!!! And it's better with Tesla's because they are becoming electronic devices...ie they depreciate and will always give you more. I personally love that Tesla's are IMPROVING & GETTING CHEAPER $$$...allows people an opportunity to own a new one. Other automakers keep raising their prices, make crap and thereby artificially inflate the used vehicle. A lose - lose for the buyer!
Exactly, and the highest depreciation rate is the first year
I like normal looking EVs but that massive hood... It's not for passengers, it's not for storage, not for range, it doesn't even make stupid amounts of power like a Taycan or Plaid. So it's just a waste of space?
The cover is there to not show all the empty space (and poor design) behind it.
BMW should have put some storage up front… seriously, what were they thinking? The back of the car is pretty tiny too. They could leave the fancy ‘engine’ cover if they wanted… whatever…
Wrong on all fronts. BMW had decided to not build single-use architectures for their EVs (the Mercedes strategy with the EQ line). Instead, at this stage of EV evolution they are using one architecture to support ALL powertrains. In doing so, it is less expensive to manufacture the EVs, BMW can produce the EVs on the same production line with petrol vehicles, and most importantly, BMW can adjust the mix of vehicles based on customer demand. Right now Mercedes is sitting on a boatload of EQs as demand has slowed dramatically as well as their equivalent petrol vehicles. MB now has two underperforming production lines (EV and Petrol) where BMW can optimize production on one.
BMW has stated as EVs continue to evolve they will decide what vehicles will be built on an EV exclusive architecture/facility. This will happen when BMW designs 3-4 EVs using a common architecture as they can cost justify a dedicated manufacturing site and architecture.
Q: Which people are more annoying: BMW fans or Tesla fans?
A: Yes.
BMW EV owners get hit from all sides: From Tesla owners who say we overpaid, and from Mercedes owners who say we couldn't afford a real luxury car...
@@BogeyTheBearBMW owners do not care about Tesla (quality from the 80‘s), or Mercedes (pimp car)
wtf is a pimp car@@martinuelten7668
Seriously guys. It's not Celesteek. All the Cadillacs end with the sound ICK. Lyrick, Celestick, Vistick, Optick.
Battery size is 83.9 kWh gross not 110
Depreciation is a part of automobile ownership. If you can’t handle it. Stop buying new cars. BMWs easily lose 40% of their value in the first year. Some 2 year old Mercedes you can buy 50% at retail.
You don’t lose anything until you sale. A 2023 performance 3 is worth well over 40k on the open market. Carmax will give you much more than Tesla also.
re: "Depression is a part of automobile ownership. If you can’t handle it. Stop buying new cars..." ikr...? cut the bullsh!t of thinking every car you buy is a Ferrari or Porsche (when you know damn well you're not "shelling out" for a Ferrari or Porsche).
Never heard of a brand called Toyota?
You can get everything and not feel bad with Tesla without options. A BMW without options barely has cruise control.
Wheels are optional
@@Chris-ly8wt Winter wheels are. On tesla it was a lot of things that were missing like seat material opsions, interior color, eksterial color a sun roof, head up display, el trailer hook, etc. Even a instrument cluster is not included om m3 and y.
@@ulyden1947 your comment is wrong on so many levels. Tesla Model and Model 3 come in two colors, black and white, but I assume you want a color such as Red, Brown, Tan, Blue, or gray? Well that just adds cost to the production line on a couple of vehicles that are in the Buick price class, not the Chevy or Hyundai or Kia range. As far as the material, Vegan Leather was chosen on the basis of Tesla not wanting to contribute to the pollution of growing cows, which create methane, is offended to those from PETA. The speed, turns signal, high beams, headlight and range / battery status are only 12” to the right of the driver’s center line. There are aftermarket displayed to install in the ridge of the dash, but I already have a GPS Based speedometer as part of the Escort Live App, which works with my Escort Max 360C GPS aware, Radar / Laser Detector. So I would mount it in front of the steering wheel. It already has a total glass roof, and a small glass roof in a metal roof, is just an invitation for an interior leak, when the drain channels get clogged with tree debris or dirt. Tesla do come with a hitch receiver, the ball is available from just about any towing store including Hertz, and many camping stores as well as the Tesla Accessories online catalog. As far as winter wheels for snow tires, it recommend a set of stamped steel wheels with wheel covers, as there is no sense, beating up pretty Aluminum wheels in salt spray!
@@Chris-ly8wt they all come with wheels. But in the winter I’d pull those pretty wheels off and put stamped steel wheels on, to preserve the beauty of the aluminum wheels while protecting them from harsh salt and other snow and ice melters.
@@DishNetworkDealerNEO I dont see whats wrong? Can I have it deep blue? Dark gray, Dark green? How much to respray? Color options are cheap when ordering. Most is option metallic. Same with seat materials and colors. Synt vegan leather brakes in few years and are expensive to replace. Don't want it. Sunroof is cool. Never had any issues. Even have a cover to cover glas opening when strong sun. Adding on a speedometer in a new car? Stupid. I have had a electric tow hitch for 15 years now. Just push a button and its there. No tesla for me
I once thought I wanted an EV with a 400 mile range. But as I continue to study the situation, I thought, that's kind of wasteful because you don't need it 95% of the time. I kept watching 70 mph range tests mostly done by Out-of-Spec, and I knew the Model Y had about 280 miles of range at 70 mph. I decided that was enough because of the reliable and ubiquitous Supercharger system. I've had my Model Y for 14 months now, and I couldn't be happier. I think about range about as much as I did in my gas cars. For daily drive you charge in your garage. Road trip, just put in your destination in the Navigation, and it tells where to stop and for how long. I've done 2 winter road trips, including one last winter where the temp got down to 12F. No problems, Easy Peezy. I couldn't be happier.
Well said you articulated the point very well 95% of charging should be done at home
Good luck with the suspension
@@VoltLover00 The suspension has been improved for over a year now. My Model Y's and my wife's Model Y's suspension is great. ... If you're gonna talk smack about Teslas, you need to keep up with the latest developments. They're changing rapidly. Like Sandy Munro said, Tesla's innovating at the "speed of thought".
I have a model Y performance, and feel the exact same way
Congrats that’s what I’m going to get. It really is the best EV. The reliable charging network is a huge plus and very important which every other company has totally failed
I’m hoping they refresh the new Model Y.
Sucks that I can’t own an EV without someone (even Roman) saying I’m making a political statement
Everything is political. Mirage: I spend little money on cars. Range Rover: I wipe the road with money. Toyota: Economical life. etc.
@@TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay Toyota is anti ev, that's their political message. They also scam you with their hybrid agenda so there's that too... people eat it up too.
You would think people would at least question when the Automaker that makes the most hybrids say that hybrids are the future... but nope.
They look up Tesla's catching fire totally disregarding the fact the hybrids are the worst offender for fires... yes even worse then petrol cars!
Love the new Model 3. I can't go back to the legacy rotary, touch, button UI philosophy and cluttered spaces in the name of luxury. Nah, Model 3 is cool.
Also, good point on the value of M3. I've got burned as well. But I see cars might follow the suit of cell phone lifecycle. Due to improvements in manufacturing and speed/efficiency of assembly cars will no longer have much of a residual value other then collector/sentimental case. There is just no way that demand will outpace supply especially when buying a new car will mean very little in terms of daily driving in the world of connected services keeping your car up to date SW wise. I believe people will just get 2 year car plan w/ say BMW like they do with say Verizon.
Exterior looks nice. That interior is trash though.
TESLA's published Master Plan in 2016. Read lines 2 and 3:
1. Create a low volume car, which would necessarily be expensive
2. Use that money to develop a medium volume car at a lower price
3. Use that money to create an affordable, high volume car
And...
4. Provide solar power. No kidding, this has literally been on our website for 10 years.
These guys annoy me the more videos of theirs I see.
Then why do you keep tuning in?
@@justin9152 because they came up in the TH-cam recommendations but I've just flagged it, to never recommend. Goodbye vehicle dealer gouging apologists!
So what do you want for your Model 3 Performance? Don’t forget you got that huge Colorado EV Discount you received when you bought it new.
Well I want to get the Used EV Federal Credit, so I offer you $24,999 because if I pay any more, I lose the $4000 Federal incentive! I live in Ohio and they don’t have any additional State EV Tax Credits!
Haven't had a chance to drive the i4. From what I understand, they're leasing pretty well. I did get a chance to drive a brand new 330e for a few days last week. Every time I drive a new BMW, I have a fantastic experience. New X1 is also fantastic.
And at 50,000 miles they’re falling apart. If still running at 100,000 miles owners have rebuilt major components. When my 2019 X1 with under 25,000 miles required $4,000 I’m repairs and maintenance I was done
@@PeteLenz I share your concerns. I was interested in leasing a 2024 X1 M35i for that reason, I don't want it after the warranty expires. The monthly in the Western Pennsylvania region was insane. They wanted like $790/mo with a relatively large down payment. So I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing - rent them for work every chance I get.
Long time BMW fan. I have owned an E30, E66, F10 and two F15s. Still have an E30, the F10 and one of the F15s. But my next car will be a Tesla. I can guarantee that the BMW will depreciate more than the Tesla and will have reliability issues that are guaranteed to drain your wallet. And I hate the styling direction of the newer BMWs. Hideous!
Tesla's entire lineup looks dated. The S and X original designs date back to the late 2000s. 3 is already 7 years old and the Y doesn't look much different from the 3. Even with this minor refresh it looks stale.
Ive owned a Model S, 3, and Y and now own an i4 m50. Can definitely say the BMW is much better in all aspects. I like Android Auto more than tesla's basic infotainment. Quality and interior of the Teslas is cheap chinese plastics. Once all automakers gain entry to superchargers this month and this year, Tesla will have nothing left going for it but cheap Toyota corolla pricing. The doordash uber driver special!
So you bought the ugliest beaver fake grilled EV on the market including the equally fugly assfaced iX and you think its a flex? So cringe!
Two things a lot of these reviews leave out as an I4 owner for about a year and half now on EDrive 40. It's SUPER QUIET. To the point it's almost like you are in your own world and forget how loud it is outside. My favorite thing is to have someone in my I4 and go 80 to 90 and they cannot see the speed and say: "How fast do you think we are going?". And it's always 20 to 30 MPH less than what I am doing. And the other thing is how responsive the car is. I can quickly get up to speed near almost any car with just barely increasing the accelerator. But it drives like it's on beams when cornering. I would easily rate this car near the top of any car I have ever owned. People drive it and it sells itself.
prices stay the same prices drop
old $55.000,00 $55.000,00
new $45.000,00 $55.000,00
depretiation $18.000,00 $22.000,00
40%
resale value $27.000,00 $33.000,00
Purchase price $18.000,00 $22.000,00
The customer wins if the prices drop. resale value might be lower but total cost is lower. Simple math - please stop creating content with feelings without presenting facts.
Yeah, as people have mentioned. That’s the life of an early adopter and a new product racing to become affordable. Don’t even get into electronics like computer parts or you’ll never be able to stop crying.
The Model S and Model X Plaid owners got it the worse, prices dropped $30,000=$40,000 seemingly overnight.
@@justin9152 That’s some insane economies of scale! I don’t think I could recover from that.
@@Merabbit Taycans worse. You lose 75k as soon as it leaves the dealership with zero miles on it. Not a joke. Porsche is so desperate that if you buy 3 Taycan turbo S's you can get on the list for a porsche GT3RS for MSRP. Usually you need to spend 2 million for a CHANCE to get on the list.
Still even with that you're better off spending 2 million and selling those cars... kinda since you still aren't guaranteed to be on the list. So you're best off just spending an extra 100k over MSRP to buy a GT3RS. People still think you can get walk into a porsche dealership and buy on for the 300k msrp LMAO!!!
@@justin9152 That's the premium of buying a new car refresh that is absurdly popular.
A relatively high focus on the space for back passenger seats, but done in a way which makes it pretty much impossible for your audience to really follow. You should have the same guy sit in front and adjust the seat to a comfortable level and the same guy sit in the back. Also I'm 191cm tall and I can sit quite comfortably in the front seat and then also sit behind myself quite comfortably for a 2 hour drive in the old model 3, so I don't understand how this can be som cramped for you in both cars. Guess I'll watch someone else's video to find out.
The best deal is to buy a used M3 over both of these new. The BMWi4 will also depreciate in value about the same amount.
Read Tesla's masterpla part 1 from 2006 - just between you and me. That's also a goofy review, guys - on both cars.
They should have a wagon version of model 3 for better head room
Model Y
@@borinvlogsI like to sit low.
It's called the Model Y
Model Y. In multiple Tesla internal documents they call model y a hatchback
@@M_dot202 define wagon
HAHAHA he could sell it for 31K and still complaining !!!
never heard of depreciation...
See the early adopters, the haves, are all pissed because the prices are dropping in the range of affordability of the have nots! Well all I can say to them, is welcome to the real world, Roman! I’m not feeling particularly sorry for you!
Any vehicle who clocks 60k miles on an EV in one year and most certainly purchased commercially will lose close to 50% cause of mileage, usage and out of warranty. Add the continuous manufacturing cost savings and you have a situation were new cars are close to par with used ones. My Tesla model Y Performance was 83,400$ CAD without options in 2020. The better 2024 version is 69,990 CAD. The depreciation will be based on todays price minus numbers of years, millage and warranty residual. I am considering extending the warranty by 2 years as proposed by Tesla when I sell it in 2025 cause I believe the 2025 Juniper will have a lot of Cybertruck components. 😊
Why is the front end so long? And passenger space so tight?
Because it’s a BMW not ur average egg shaped ev.
Because they took the 4 series and bolted a battery pack to the bottom. 😂
Complaining about depreciation on car ownership? How long have you owned cars? Do they ever appreciate? At least with a typical high volume automobile? Nope.
Until they adopt the styling of the Neu Klasse, BMWs are off my list. That front end is hideous.
Lol. A lot of folks complained when the M4 was released and it sold very well. I'm sure when the Neu Klasse's are released, people will find many things to complain about. I will continue to enjoy my i4 M50 and cross that bridge whenever.
@@obieWanmotivation a few months back at a gas station, a guy pulled into one of the pumps with one.
The little kids in the Outback next to him started yelling out "suey!" and making pig noises.
I'm waiting for the comparison between the BMW 3 series and the Corolla
Why is these guys such Tesla haters...... WHO turns their signal light on when their turning the wheel 180.... nit picking cuz your mad (roman) because a company reduced price as they ramp up and streamline process which naturally is the course for growing companies. You've been in this business long enough to know better. Just STOP Hating and go back to the unbiased advice you used to be all about. Andre is trying throughout this video. Thx Andre. But ugh roman....
And Reminder! Tesla is an American Company! Give the Respect it deserves.
Yup I know elon has his issues🤦♂. The Engineering doesn't.
Hmmm..... BMW is back at the Chicago Auto show, Tesla is actually there, stelantis is not there. It's an interesting year for sure
They don't have anything until 2025 right?
@@Anonihmus2567 as far as new vehicles go? I think the Dodge hornet is new (kind of) for the 24 model year, but I think that's it for stelantis
Elon had no choice but drop the prices. Early adopters that sold their Tesla's at a profit were lucky and timed it right. And if you think the model 3 lost a big $, wait until the CT is 6 months old....1/2 price.
CT likely wont drop in price for a few years. Last I heard they are building about 160 Cybertrucks per week. It's gonna be a while before they ramp up enough to be able to drop prices. Especially on an all new platform. The 3/Y platforms are 7 years old.
re: "wait until the CT is 6 months old....1/2 price." exactly if you're crying about M3P depreciation Roman just wait, that CT is going to give you something to cry about. those ugly monstrosities are $100 Grand.
I would say after a year. It also depends on production. If Tesla is making just 10k a year by the end of 2024... maybe you won't have to buy the foundation series package?
@@phillyphil1513 120k with the foundation series package. You are totally paying a premium right now and the people that buy know that.
I wish they would do something else besides a square screen.. how about a wrap around dash screen or somthing
That would require Tesla to draw up an entirely new interface for the new screen. That takes money, which defeats the purpose of putting an iPad on the dash on the first place.
Tesla is locked-in on that touchscreen forever.
Lol. That's one of many reasons why I went with the i4 M50.
Because the car would become worse. It is like asking apple to make the screen wrap around their phone... it would just make it worse lmao. There's a reason why apple has stuck with the same screen design since 2008 with just bezel reductions. Not just apple either. Unless you count folding phones I guess but they're like 1500+ dollars.
You're going to take it on the chin when you go to sell your Model 3 because it has an accident history, duh.
guys help me chose BMW i4 M50 or Tesla model 3 performance 2024 also color white or black ?
ya but the Tesla charging system is way better than the system used to charge a bmw..although I like the bmw i4 better!
I lol when he said battery capacity is 110 and 286 miles of range. These guys are clueless. Battery capacity is 80 and real world range at 75 mph is around 230 in summer and 180 in winter. I thought I was watching MSM for a moment.
You have to opt in on the bigger, wider wheels to end up with the 230 mile figures.
@@BogeyTheBear the test was conducted with the 19 Hankook Ventus tires. The 19 Pirelli P Zero Winter tires for the other test.
Consumer Reports took an i4 M50 out to 318 miles on a 75 mph real world run. I doubt they had the 20-inchers on them.
That’s a damn lie. I’ve driven my i4 M50 for over 14,000 miles and the real world range on 19” P Zero is 270 miles (or higher) as advertised so long as you’re not driving full time while throttling it in Sports mode. It’s a very efficient EV given its power and torque of almost 600. In the winter the range drops but the battery is efficiently high in temperatures as low as 45F or higher (Spring, Summer & Fall).
Just my opinion, but I believe people should be leasing right now. Market too volatile, especially if you don’t plan on keeping it 3+ years
Exactly, if you have the budget
That BMW is a 1 year old model. BMW retired the fake gear knob early last year. You guys should drive an eDrive40. It's a great car with fantastic efficiency.
Roman has the same glasses as Drew Carey on The Price Is Right.
Don't buy new tech if you can't live with the excess depreciation. Everybody was crying electric cars were too expensive 3 years ago. Now the same guys whine they have lost money because the prices are decreasing. This is a normal and necessary development for EVs to become mainstream.
Tesla has to lower prices so they don’t have a big supply. Since they own the vehicle till it sells. So if sales slow prices fall like a rock.
a car is always a depraciating item. software in them, is other story
Bmw all day, drives wayy better and built 10x better
I’m an iDrive fan partially because I detest touch screens. I’d prefer buttons, but Roman, I fear that we’re in the minority. With the iDrive wheel, I don’t have to lean forward to make audio adjustments.
I’m an iDrive fan ofc as well as Mazda Connect and MI-drive select but I also love Audi MMI and Tesla OS! Cadillac also does a good job
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LOL The ultimate shit machine. Good luck.
"What car?" Says the M3 has more rear seat room than the i4
Is that MotoMan at top left at 9:01?
On a road trip would you rather use any extra range driving around looking for a working charger or just get guided to a supercharger?
Why can't Tesla make a vehicle with a metal roof 👎
My model s had a metal roof
I4 is my fave ev!
What a lot of freaking whining
I just bought a BMW i4 M50 Fully Charged.. Tesla was never an option...
BMW i4 depreciate more
Over the years, Roman has become so critical and negative about almost everything. He is the reason I unsubscribed and there should be no problem letting the other guys at TFL who are less cranky/negative/jaded provide the commentary. For someone wanting a feature-rich EV at a decent price, it is hard to fault the Model 3. I am not a fan of Elon Musk (and his antics) but he has achieved what he stated he wanted the Model 3 to be. It now has the quiet, ride compliance, and build making it fully competitive. An equivalently equipped BMW EV to the Model 3 will be $60K+ (easily) in 2024.
I've got a BMW 330e and i swear I'll never buy another BMW. The car has so many issues. Every few months is another new error. I'm still stuck at the part how a 12 volt battery can affect the transmission! Its just to trick you to take the car in for service. The Model 3 is the clear winner. At least the buyer knows they're buy8ng a shit car from the start. The hardware sucks but you're paying for the software which is superior to the BMW hands down.
Same with BMWX3 lost 35KEu/ Year. About "range" : Have you ever reached the given, promissed range on any ice car ? No way, its a joke ! No OEM is dealing with real numbers, not talking about exhaustions, remember the NOx scanadl with VW ? It seems the legacy automakers are not able to reach TESLA´s specs and margins, so therefore they are paddeling back to ice. Which will ever diggin them deeper into despair. They are only marketing companies after all. But a car must make profit their whole dealership structure is expensive. And the have overcapacities at length. TESLA will bring a Compact 25K$/EU car to the market which have a very reasonable realistic range 400km+ than its game over for ICE.
How about that 25k car? When and where can I purchase it?
Elon promised, eh?
@@hashtag_fu Elon always have kept his promises. Doesnot matter in 1Yr ore a few Month. Who cares ?
@@Joda5212 potential customers care. What if u paid a fortune for FSD back in 2016? Your car is 8 years old and still can't full self drive. "Tomorrow free beer" is written on many signs at bars. Tomorrow...not today.
@@hashtag_fu I am still free supercharging anywhere in Europe. FSD is becoming better and can be used on highways. Its a risk of a first mover. Have got a trade in offer for a new modX100 FSD including FSD but have still battery- warranty and accu- health is still very good. No reason to change. Lets see how other EVs are doing after such extensive use.Friend of mine returned e-tron, changed it for modY longrange.
Model 3 is £39,990, equivalent i4 is a whopping £61,600. An extra Fifty Four percent?? For what??? That badge snobbery ain't cheap. Talking of cheap, BMW don't even supply a granny cable, that sh!t is extra....
Bold predictions in the adoption of ev vehicles. From what i see in the market its not going where you are predicting. This video is a year old from the time i am making this comment. So i have an advantage and i watch the car market. The EV market has had trouble this year moving out of urban areas. Range and charging technologies haven't made the leaps yet to make that possible. However, i believe it will happen just much slower than you predicted. Maybe by 2050 or 2060.
Back in the day, it was said once you take the car off the lot you lose 30% value of that vehicle.
Poor people buy a car for 10 years, so not that concerned about residual value.
Rich people flip cars every 2 to 4 years so I can see why residual value is important.
More poor people in this world than rich. So buying a rich person car for less benefits most of us. 👍🏿
B-B-B-B- Bullshit
Why don't you go trade ANY vehicle to a dealership, what did you expect, go sell it on the market, you think Tesla is going to rebuy the vehicle at top dollar.
biased review
For the price of the BMW i4 you could get aTesla Model Y long range and large Presenters could all sit in it no problem and has a higher safety rating than the i4, and you would still have lots of spare money or order full self driving instead. Job done.
You are complaining about retail to wholesale prices. What is the average retail to wholesale loss of a 50k vehicle. Every car loses value like that retail to wholesale.
Is the real life buyer looking for an EV under $40k really going to buy a $55k car instead. Not.
If you are tall 6’3” then 2nd row seating is not for you in model 3 or for that matter any mid size sedan. You should get the model S. if budget is your concern then get a brand new Accord.
Old people are more likely to make a fool of themselves. They say something when they don't have the info. Maybe they think age deserves respect for experience. But knowledge is necessary for respect.
Teslas were already mediocre looking. How did they make it worse!?
Q: How did they (make) it worse!? A: by making it look like any one of 800 EV'S made by the Chinese.
@@phillyphil1513 rhetorical question...
Crazy... the market corrected as we all should've expected. This isn't just a Tesla thing. It's the industry and it's going to get worse.
Remember: It's not depreciation if you fall in love with the car and don't think about the next trade.
What a bad comparison video. Instead of actually comparing hard facts like range, acceleration, features, safety, price, efficiency and so on you focused on how much value the new car loses. BMW has a battery pack of 110kwh but actually less range then the Model 3 LR with an 82kwh battery. So BMW is so inefficient it is almost embarrassing. That is by far the most important metric for electric cars. You will pay much more per mile for the BMW, so cost of ownership is quite a bit higher.
EVERY new car loses a ton of value in the beginning. But it also depends on the economy cycles. In 2020-2021, car makers could just not produce enough vehicles to meet demand due to supply chain issues. Therefore, prices hiked. Now, the opposite is the case, demand is low but capacity is high. Therefore, prices will be lowered. That is not the fault of a car company. If you buy a car to sell it a few years later, it is a dumb decision in the first place and it is just a fool's errant if you expect to get like 80% of the price you paid back.
The BMW i4 has an 83 kw (80 usuable) battery pack. They confused it with something like the iX or i7 battery size. So your argument is based off misinformation and poor research.
@@BogeyTheBear Bad research is when someone thinks that kw is a measure of battery pack size...
kw: measurement of power
kwh: measurement of energy capacity (battery pack size)
But seriously: Then it's wrong in the video. But let^s do the math looking at actual numbers: BMW i4 with a 80kwh usable pack has 307 miles of EPA range. Tesla Model 3 with a 75 kwh usable battery pack has 341 miles EPA range (both 18 inch wheels).
On a miles/kwh basis, the Tesla Model 3 is 18.5% more efficient than the BMW i 4. This is still a big difference and would mean, you pay quite a bit more driving the i4 over the Model 3.
We'll just ignore the thousands of customer complaints who never get anywhere near the claimed range in the Model 3s...
...that's what Tesla does, after all.
@@BogeyTheBear The EPA range NEVER represents what you can achieve in the real world. That is the case with every EV, not just Tesla. We just always hear about Tesla because there are like 50x as many Tesla EV's on the road than BMW EV's.
So saying that Tesla does not meet EPA range would either also mean that this is automatically also the case for other EV's (BMW as well) since they go through the exact same test cycle or it would say that you believe that the EPA agency only estimates Tesla's range higher and not other brands, implying some sort of conspiracy.
In short: EPA range being to high is not an issue about Tesla EV's, BMW EV's or any other brands EV's, but an issue with the EPA agency that does these tests. When you want to have realistic range numbers, just reduce the EPA estimation by 10% for summer and by 20-30% for winter. But you have to do it for all EV's, not just Tesla's.
@@elromolus5310 But the EPA doesn't do the tests themselves. They provide the formula to manufacturers, and the manufacturers then deliver the results they got from that formula.
BMW has a reputation for under-reporting so they'll over-deliver. It's why drivers report they can get 320 miles or more out of an i4 if they really try. Tesla does the opposite thing and puts a thumb on the scale with this and other things like using a rolling start to post 0-60 times.
When you make a lot of money making YT videos of your Tesla and then cry about a price drop 🤡
Next time they raise prices please run to Tesla to pay them the new higher price 🤡
This may surprise you but most people keep their car for more than one year. I also wonder what your one year old cellphone is worth
everyone compare cosmetic changes differences ! What about deep inside powertrains battery technolgies that we do not know too much
No car is immune to depreciation, especially going in knowing a new model refresh was coming out. Buying trucks regularly also with the depreciation factor is also an issue. You should just lease if this is a problem instead of purchasing and it would not have been much of a problem other than having it for 3 years
Wahh wahh wahh
Could have just kept it and driven it for 10 years like most people. 😊
The excitement and tone dropped significantly when they went from I4 to Model3.
So are you selling it for $31k or is it actually worth more than the Tesla trade value?
Zzzz
Wow I just traded in a 31,000 miles 2020 model 3 performance for 29k for an IX. My Tesla trade in was 28k
Btw miss my Tesla already. Bmw software is no where close to Tesla. The app is garbage but I have CarPlay and a quiet interior..
Thanks for sharing.
you can always sell it yourself instead of trade-in. Tesla or any dealerships will certainly take a cut in trade-in.
Wow..Reviewers are complaining that Tesla lowered cost
then go and pay more for the BMW Lol what a cuckoo
I clicked away as soon as you said the price of the car.
If you enjoy dealing with a dealership, buy the i4
110 kWh?! I thought it was 81 kWh with 550 horsepower.
another wealthy toy for the wealthy
$40-$55,000 for a model 3 tesla. It's about the price of an average new car. I think it qualifies for the tax credit, too.
@@jonm7888The average price of a new car is not cheap. OP is correct.
@@xaionik True, but that's all we have to go by.
wealthy people got wealthy by working hard. unlike you poor boy
Why don’t you do a video of you crying about it, Roman.
4:36 - sorry Andre the change was NOT for aerodynamics, no, the change was to improve sales in China by making the front look like all the other EV's made by the Chinese.
The car literally has a lower drag coefficient now
I like the BMW better for sure.
After owning a BMW before, I told myself never own another BMW again.
why?
BMW without a frunk is an expensive pile of junk!