Quick correction: Please disregard the video from 9:50 to 10:21. I slowed the Stadia video down and forgot to do the same with the PS4 footage, which causes the comparison to be misleading. I think the critique about Stadia's variable input lag is still valid, but the way in which I showed it in the video is not. I'll try to avoid mistakes like that in future videos.
I find it funny how google belives that gamers have sooooo much disposable income that they can pay for:Really fast internet, 140 $ console, a subscription and they also hope that we wouldnt mind paying for those games taht should have been paid for by the subscription.
I mean the switch needs an online subscription and u don’t get games for free but I do get that you need a perfect connection or it lags or gets bad quality .
@@mbirth nothing and when people complain about it they'll say you should of read the clause it clearly states that " the products offered us (Stadia) is not own by you the consumer and we reserve the right to terminate the service at anytime.
@@AirLancer It's an idea from people who want to end the concept of ownership in video games. They know they will never overcome latency, they know it far better than us. They care only in how much it slows market adoption.
The real problem with Stadia is two things. 1: It needs to be in an ideal state at all times while consoles have a more consistent output. 2: Google's obsession with 4K 60 fps despite not actually offering it and blaming everyone else when people call them out on the lie.
One of my absolute favorite traits of your videos is how serious and informing your tone usually is, but you include so many hilarious easter eggs like when you were using Joy2Key and playing Tomb Raider.
Then you forget the biggest flaw of it. Once Stadia shuts down, its entire library is gone. The same can happen with digital games, but at least once they are downloaded, you can still play them. Unless it's a rare case, the store will let you continue to redownload the games. For consoles, this has always been a problem with digital gaming, but if we ever get a cloud gaming exclusive title, we are in trouble. PC gaming is endless because every game that has existed on PC at least once will forever be playable through unofficial means, even if it is delisted. But, a game that is on a server is gone forever once they decide to shut it down. For consoles, I always prefer retail over digital because it means much better game preservation. Games like MvC2HD and Scott Pilgrim are gone forever, with the former not even being game sharable anymore, nor can you redownload it, making it one of those aforementioned rare cases. MvC2HD is completely wiped from existence. Comically enough, the servers are still active, but they are completely dead. It lacks backwards compatibility and if you sold your 360 or deleted the game, you can not get the game back. So, finding a friend to play with, let alone anyone, is almost impossible. And forget about random matchmaking. Not too long ago, DuckTales: Remastered was erased from existence. But thankfully, it is readily available to this day because all consoles that it released on have a retail version, well you can just find it elsewhere on PC. Digital distribution of games has always been flawed on consoles, but Stadia took it to a new low. You know your games only have a set amount of time with you and if it is an exclusive and you love it, better stop that. Equivalent to a loved one, the game will leave you someday and you will not be able to do anything but cherish the good times you had with it.
@@mike-ns6sw Yep. Anyone have parents who introduced them to games through their old NES, SNES or Gamecube? Think you might wanna do the same one day when you have your own kids, or maybe you might wanna relive some current games you own digitally in 20 years for a little nostalgia? Nope. No company will keep their service running for 20 years, besides maybe Steam and on an outside chance MS since they seem to be pretty committed to generation carry over. You never know what kind of changes will happen in the future though. MS might stop making Xboxes or morph the brand into something else entirely. Steam might sell to EA. And Sony doesn't seem to care at all about carrying your digital library over generation to generation. They want you buying all new shit. Sounds impossible right now but trust me, a lot of things change in 20 years. Sure, you might be able to rely on the pirate scene and emulation for some of this as we have to already in certain cases, but with always online and ever more intrusive DRM more and more becoming the norm, good luck with that. Seeing a disk drive on one model of the PS5 and Xbox SX gives me some hope that they aren't completely abandoning offline play yet (as in, just pop the disk in and play whatever old version of the game is on it even if you are not connected to the internet as the current ps4 and Xbox do), but the day will come when digital is the only way to play and that is when game preservation will take a huge hit and your purchases will be entirely dependent on servers that you just cannot trust to stay up for decades. Or you might not care and say I'll never want to play old games when I'm 35 or 40. That's cool, but nostalgia for the things you did when you were younger is mighty powerful at that age. Why do you think these classic mini consoles are all sold out and selling for way over MSRP right now? And how much are those Saturn games going for right now? /end rant Hold up I'll go ahead and get it out of the way... OK boomer.
@@hurrythepeace9443 I lost my "permanent copy" of Half Life 2 due to moves, selling things, losing things, etc. But because it's on the cloud, I can download it at any time. Stadia is basically Steam without needing to download anything. And it works like magic.
Exactly. Literally the most easily summarized video ever. 15 minutes of rambling for nothing. Show a clip of someone moving the analog stick with the resulting laggy videogame in the background and call it a day.
You have to buy the games individually on stadia and they are often more expensive than their steam version. and since you dont have the game downloaded if for whatever reason they take it down or the internet does not work you cant play the games you have rented. i do not want this to be the future of gaming where a game you bought will be unavailable in a few years because the license has expired and they have to shut down the distribution of it on stadia. and you cant play niche games or use any mods to enhance the games. in the long run buying a console or a decent pc will be cheaper and more reliable and if you have the internet speed to use stadia then it wont take long to just download the game to play it normally
Honestly crossplay with Stadia players in fighting games might make people feel bad for beating up on people that genuinely might have actual handicaps and an uneven playing field. It’s like fighting some kid who has to play with his hands tied behind his back because he decided to buy a controller that can only be played upside down.
Fighting games require precise commands, the stadia has a lot of lag issues therefore the commands aren’t as precise as they should be. There just saved you 15 minutes
When we’re you looking for a match on my favorite game, beletor MMA onslaught? I’m on there at all hours of the day looking for one, as it is the best fighting game of our time.
@@Stumblebee :( I'm about to fight in Bellator and played the MMA game, it's shockingly good to how real MMA fights actually are, though it is very buggy and subject to a lot of weird nonsense
15:00 If you can already stream HD video, an internet upgrade might not help. The problem is latency, not throughput, but residential internet packages are sold according to throughput, not latency.
Negative latency means that the machine react to your buttons so fast that it happens before you even press the button. Just imagine fighting games at a speed where are you reacting to things before they happens
Short answer:Input lag Long answer:Thanks to said Input lag the game becomes so luck based that basically encourages button mashing and discouraging tech that has a high skill ceiling
I don't think it will work for as many genres as you think platformers , Devil may cry , beat n ups, racing games, shooters, a lot of other games benefit from short input lag
This cloud gaming mess gives me nothing None of them It only steals ownership and modability because u dont get the files All for nothing but a laggy mess And a game abonoment is nothing new Server based gaming is domed because of its physicaly limitation Very bad latency through long distances between server and end device the bandwith doesn't fix that the servers are to far away from each other.
Stadia, the great gaming experience, for people who don't want to pay upfront. If I played stadia I would probably roll around in annoyance when I see people on PC getting shadow of the tomb raider for 12 dollars along with 9 other games. Then when I mention Shadow, everyone tilts their head at me and calls me a hater... A streaming service that costs more, but if you even buy one game in the right place. IT COSTS LESS. Maybe it only makes sense to me...
I clicked on this video then paused it before it started to fiddle on my phone for a bit. When I looked back up I saw the frame of the controller rising out of the pink goo and briefly forgot I had clicked on a Stadia video. I thought I'd have to sit through one of those annoying ads again.
yet here you are on TH-cam streaming video. What the hell do you think Stadia is doing? Also 10Mb down is the min requirement for Stadia, with that number expected to decrease over time.
For gaming on the go; I like to use Parsec. It's free when you've got your own PC to stream from (to a target device like a laptop), so I don't really see what Stadia has to offer. I suppose it has a games library, but I'd rather own my games anyway. You can also use Parsec to let your friends play games with you that they don't have. Parsec seems to suffer from the same latency issues as Stadia, but it's free, and if your streaming over to your friend you feel no lag (but they do obviously since they aren't playing locally and you are). This actually makes it possible for me to play with some friends of mine who use wifi without tearing my hair out.
The only reason Stadia broke into official market is because iDubbbz didn't make a Kickstarter crap video on Stadia. If he did, the Stadia would have been buried along with that white package a day before release
That's fine, there are other options. You're not being forced to buy Stadia. But if you can stream Netflix and TH-cam, then you can play Stadia. And there are a LOT of people who stream Netflix and TH-cam.
I thank you for taking the time (and money OOF) to make this video. I appreciate your honest criticisms on Stadia. And for me, the biggest problem I have with it are the parameters for optimal play. In short, they're ridiculous for any average consumer. And it really begs the question, "Who is Stadia actually for?" It certainly can't be for anyone who plays video games in 2019 regularly with a console and/or PC. Its not for people who don't have fast, reliable internet and its not for any average video game consumer. So...why buy Stadia? It may be "The Future of Gaming", but in its current state, its nowhere near worth the investment. And sadly the project will probably be dumped by Google in a year or 2 anyway.
It's not for anyone yet. It's a market placeholder and a vehicle for putting patents and infrastructure in place. It's a loss leader in hopes they can cash in when streaming video games is the market of choice.
Can someone please tell every company THAT NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE WIRELESS AND NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SMART. Xbox’s, PC’s and regular TVs are FINE.
It's pronounced guh-ROH. And when you wanna show input lag, FYI it's best if you press the button and release it as fast as possible so the frames can be counted. Otherwise, it's hard to tell where the actuation point is.
Input lag is also a gig problem in a lot of classic genres. It's impossible to play Sonic 1 correctly for instance. Platforming in marble zone become really hard
Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't actually "own" games you buy online (like on steam), because you basically borrow the game for an unknown period of time.
@@dephord8061 PS1, PS3 and a crapton of PC retail copies. There were times before Steam. And when Steam was just starting up, retails were prevalent for years. It's only in recent years it gets harder and harder to get physical copies of PC games.
@@kylehadsell4991 Just out of curiosity, do you realize that this will be the end of owning video games? Are you aware of the large energy overhead this will add to gaming that need not exist? Not trying to be inflammatory. Just honestly curious.
@@tobyvision I don't think most end users care about an abstract idea of ownership rather than the ease of access and quality of the gaming experience. Cloud gaming has the potential to revolutionize access to intensive games that require strong hardware. It's just that the low latency high bandwidth connections required to maximize the potential for cloud game streaming doesn't really exist on a widespread level yet.
@@312bigbeanburrito The low latency will never be realized as it is limited by the speed of light itself. Networking equipment is already very close to the theoretical ideal. Does the energy consumption aspect concern you at all?
@@tobyvision Great questions! I understand that Stadia is ultimately a service and I don't technically own the games, but I'm fine with that; I'll still get many hours playing games I enjoy and will still own some games through steam and other platforms! That said, I also think the pricing is more than reasonable, especially seeing all the outrage over it.. i dont understand. Pretty much everything but the games will be free in 2020. As for the energy overhead, yes it is slightly larger - on google's end. They just take the processes that would normally run on a pc rig and stream it to your device, taking up little more energy than streaming a TH-cam video. As for my personal energy bill, running a Chromecast or streaming games to my phone is much less expensive (and noisy) than my old sh*tty rig!
@@kylehadsell4991 I did mean energy overhead in the global sense. Does it concern you at all that this format of gaming will have a very real and needless energy consumption increase over the method we already have?
Given ideal internet conditions, yeah, actually. The idea is that, in peak conditions, Stadia works well enough that you can play something like Tomb Raider or RDR2 and not feel the additional weight because those games already feel weighty. Fighting games, by nature, require too much input precision to feel good when streamed over the internet. At least for now. Who knows what the future holds.
It's fine, I think. I'm not really a resolution stickler outside of 1080p. You're not going to find a fighting game that really takes advantage of a 4k resolution, but you will be able to stream it if your connection and data caps allow (20gb/hour) *shudder*
@@Stumblebee The only way they will ever reach something approximating the traditional fighting game experience is with predictive inputs. The speed of light becomes the limiting factor in scenarios like Stadia. No hardware or software will ever solve that. Or if it does, video game emulation will be the least of our problems.
@@Stumblebee One of the factors of this I haven't seen anyone discuss yet is the absolutely enormous, needless energy burden it puts on gaming. All that transmission for something we have demonstrated for decades need not be transmitted. It's ecologically very irresponsible.
This video is really good. I'm not a big fighting game player so your content kind of goes over my head. But it seems you're good at branching out and discussing cloud gaming. Looking forward to see what you do next. And thank you for the video. Very insightful.
You should really run this experiment on mortal Kombat it uses GGPO which gives a very different handling of latency from the games design where samurai showdown actually fails at that pretty bad.
I been trying to learn timing on fighting games with adding delay frames, just 6 makes fights impossible to handle due to frustration of a completely different timing ... 10 frames lag!!???...NO, THANKS
The Stadia doesn't seem like a bad idea in general, but It's obviously a *terrible* idea for fighting games and FPS games. It's absolutely baffling that they chose to set themselves up for inevitable failure by including so many launch games that would highlight Stadia's big unsolvable weakness. Even latency on the order of
Why don’t you have more subscribers? With the quality production of the video, I would think you would have atleast 100k subscribers by now. Been a subscriber since your sf X tekken video
what ever happened to stadia? i can't remember the last time it was even spoken about, i guess 2 years ago it was still being pushed. but these days? it wins the award for most tumbleweeds and crickets whenever it's name is mentioned.
Cloud gaming doesnt have any future, not even in years because games will demmand more internet and remember that there are people who play OFFLINE or have PAINFULLY SLOW internet connection, it has simpply just have been death since it started
Yesterday my wife and I was about to play some classic Donkey Kong Country emulated in a PC, just for convenience at the moment. When I started the first stage, I've noticed some input lag and closed the emulator right away. Turned on my SNES in a good old fashioned CRT TV and the difference was tremmendous. I know this game needs some input lag perfection and modern games does'nt need that acuracy, but I'm concerned about game streamming services to become to be the "new way of gaming".
Please god tell me that this flop will make every company back off this train of "we'll stream it to your device train". I'm really starting to get sick of it.
Stadia is also really negative for speed running games, as a lot require frame perfect tricks and the inconsistent latency is definitely a problem there
My prediction: The more boundaries you have separating the player from communicating with the game, the more stinky smelly delay there is. Anyone with a brain knew stadia would have at least this one issue, but I still want to hear how it fares from someone who’s experienced it. For that purpose, thank you for making this informative video and sacrificing your hard earned money on something we all knew would basically be an atrocity.
I bought the founders edition, I've had zero issues. He's totally nitpicking on the compression artifacts. You don't notice it at all when playing. He had to likely play for hours, or try to gimp his connection just to get this footage. The common place experience with Stadia is that it just works, and works very well. I wouldn't say its "the future", because it works today, amazingly well as a gen 1 product. We still have yet to see game engines that have Streaming built into the codebase, games built from the ground up with streaming in mind, game studios that take full advantage of Stadia's power, etc. Everyone dismissing this just a couple weeks out from launch is ridiculous. At least you can change your username easily, how long did it take Sony to implement that?
I'm glad you're doing an actual analysis that is well researched instead of just saying "hurr durr Stadia bad" while repeating themselves over and over again to stretch the vid to 10 minutes. Also, you actually have Stadia unlike these other "critics"
What sticks out to me the most is the google stadia ads during the game awards and their super high confidence. Like, the promises from those ads are extremely high. Especially to someone who hasn’t heard of stadia yet up to that point.
I think a big problem with stadia is with the isps. As they improve so much data is being sent that itll probably hit data caps quite easily and also that the internet infustructure in the usa alone is pretty bad.
Same reason it sucks in general. Input lag. Saved you 15 minutes, thank me later. Anyone who ever thought Stadia could be successful has a very little understanding of how the internet and videogames work. I thought people learned with Onlive.
Stadia will fail.. The main focus is that it's a game stream.. More than half of the world doesn't have fast internet (mostly are on 3 - 25 mbps, extremely rare for 50 mbps) and the only servers are in the US..
Quick correction: Please disregard the video from 9:50 to 10:21. I slowed the Stadia video down and forgot to do the same with the PS4 footage, which causes the comparison to be misleading. I think the critique about Stadia's variable input lag is still valid, but the way in which I showed it in the video is not. I'll try to avoid mistakes like that in future videos.
Our national nightmare is over. Now, it's time to come together as a country.
What a charlatan
This transparency is what I like in a creator. Thanks Mr.Bee
Transparency my foot
Stumblebee stadia works better with me
I love playing Samurai Slowdown in it.
"Samurai Slodown" is an A+ joke.
J. Jim nice wordplay
I like playing samurai showdown on my xbox 360 even more.
Stumblebee funnily enough my xbox has more input lag in it than my stadia.
Kane Glenmark Maligaya Thats because the xbox one is a joke
Imagine being stuck with this console, like if a kid got it for Christmas or something?
"did Santa also upgrade our internet too? No? Dang."
Fuck that. Trade it in for a Switch or PS4.
It's not a console tho
@@Percival917 good luck on finding someone to switxh with that garbage. 😄😄
Re-gift
I find it funny how google belives that gamers have sooooo much disposable income that they can pay for:Really fast internet, 140 $ console, a subscription and they also hope that we wouldnt mind paying for those games taht should have been paid for by the subscription.
If anything how they've been treating TH-cam should show just how shitty they are with management.
I mean the switch needs an online subscription and u don’t get games for free but I do get that you need a perfect connection or it lags or gets bad quality .
Cheesecake Mania Nintendo Online gives you free games
And what happens with the spent money after 3-4 years when Google suddenly decides to sunset the service like many of their services before?
@@mbirth nothing and when people complain about it they'll say you should of read the clause it clearly states that " the products offered us (Stadia) is not own by you the consumer and we reserve the right to terminate the service at anytime.
Why Google Stadia can't handle fighting games?
Google Stadia can't handle *anything.*
It's an idea only people who are used to having the best internet connections in the world would come up with.
@@AirLancer It's an idea from people who want to end the concept of ownership in video games. They know they will never overcome latency, they know it far better than us. They care only in how much it slows market adoption.
it can handle a yu gi oh game, as long as it doesn't have an active gameplay mode.
Itd be like trying to replace car mirrors with digital cameras
It works great with mines ... just get better WiFi or buy a console
The real problem with Stadia is two things.
1: It needs to be in an ideal state at all times while consoles have a more consistent output.
2: Google's obsession with 4K 60 fps despite not actually offering it and blaming everyone else when people call them out on the lie.
I just played Destiny 2 for 4 hours straight on Stadia with absolutely no issues.
@@ZidaneSteiner Then you must have an incredible conection, because it's full with input lag.
@@ZidaneSteiner you will when your internet goes out, and if you have a data cap, you gonna be paying alot.
@@ZidaneSteiner Did you manage to transfer your save now that stadias dead like it deserved? Did you say pwetty pwease hard enough?
One of my absolute favorite traits of your videos is how serious and informing your tone usually is, but you include so many hilarious easter eggs like when you were using Joy2Key and playing Tomb Raider.
What, you don't play Tomb Raider like that?
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@@Mynameisntgenji overwatch username
Then you forget the biggest flaw of it. Once Stadia shuts down, its entire library is gone. The same can happen with digital games, but at least once they are downloaded, you can still play them. Unless it's a rare case, the store will let you continue to redownload the games.
For consoles, this has always been a problem with digital gaming, but if we ever get a cloud gaming exclusive title, we are in trouble. PC gaming is endless because every game that has existed on PC at least once will forever be playable through unofficial means, even if it is delisted. But, a game that is on a server is gone forever once they decide to shut it down.
For consoles, I always prefer retail over digital because it means much better game preservation. Games like MvC2HD and Scott Pilgrim are gone forever, with the former not even being game sharable anymore, nor can you redownload it, making it one of those aforementioned rare cases.
MvC2HD is completely wiped from existence. Comically enough, the servers are still active, but they are completely dead. It lacks backwards compatibility and if you sold your 360 or deleted the game, you can not get the game back. So, finding a friend to play with, let alone anyone, is almost impossible. And forget about random matchmaking.
Not too long ago, DuckTales: Remastered was erased from existence. But thankfully, it is readily available to this day because all consoles that it released on have a retail version, well you can just find it elsewhere on PC.
Digital distribution of games has always been flawed on consoles, but Stadia took it to a new low. You know your games only have a set amount of time with you and if it is an exclusive and you love it, better stop that. Equivalent to a loved one, the game will leave you someday and you will not be able to do anything but cherish the good times you had with it.
As a person planning on getting a console or PC I never thought of that.
This
People aren't thinking about way into the future
Once the servers shut down
Everything is lost
Wait Scott Pilgrim is gone? God I hope I still have that old Xbox lying around.
@@Supertimegamingify It's been gone for years.
@@mike-ns6sw Yep. Anyone have parents who introduced them to games through their old NES, SNES or Gamecube? Think you might wanna do the same one day when you have your own kids, or maybe you might wanna relive some current games you own digitally in 20 years for a little nostalgia? Nope. No company will keep their service running for 20 years, besides maybe Steam and on an outside chance MS since they seem to be pretty committed to generation carry over. You never know what kind of changes will happen in the future though. MS might stop making Xboxes or morph the brand into something else entirely. Steam might sell to EA. And Sony doesn't seem to care at all about carrying your digital library over generation to generation. They want you buying all new shit. Sounds impossible right now but trust me, a lot of things change in 20 years. Sure, you might be able to rely on the pirate scene and emulation for some of this as we have to already in certain cases, but with always online and ever more intrusive DRM more and more becoming the norm, good luck with that.
Seeing a disk drive on one model of the PS5 and Xbox SX gives me some hope that they aren't completely abandoning offline play yet (as in, just pop the disk in and play whatever old version of the game is on it even if you are not connected to the internet as the current ps4 and Xbox do), but the day will come when digital is the only way to play and that is when game preservation will take a huge hit and your purchases will be entirely dependent on servers that you just cannot trust to stay up for decades. Or you might not care and say I'll never want to play old games when I'm 35 or 40. That's cool, but nostalgia for the things you did when you were younger is mighty powerful at that age. Why do you think these classic mini consoles are all sold out and selling for way over MSRP right now? And how much are those Saturn games going for right now?
/end rant
Hold up I'll go ahead and get it out of the way... OK boomer.
I really don't want cloud gaming to be the future, we should be able to preserve all games
Hellacia call me old fashioned but I still buy 90% of my games on disc to have a permanent copy.
@@hurrythepeace9443 I buy 100% of my games on disc, I just love seeing the CDs sit on my shelf.
It just feels good.
@@hurrythepeace9443 That's not really possible. You don't get anything close to a full game on disc nowadays.
@@hurrythepeace9443 I lost my "permanent copy" of Half Life 2 due to moves, selling things, losing things, etc. But because it's on the cloud, I can download it at any time. Stadia is basically Steam without needing to download anything. And it works like magic.
Pladson Rodrigues true, it’s not always possible and when it isn’t that’s fine I just download.
Better title: "Why Google Stadia Can't Handle Games."
spoken like someone who has never even tried it
@@tyler71989 but it's TRUE though
@@LelouchOnTwi have you even tried it?
@@tyler71989 yeah
@@LelouchOnTwi I seriously doubt it if you dont think Stadia can handle any games
I'll resume this video in two words
Imput Lag
Yes, but also "abandoned online" which is another two-word concern that I have with Stadia.
@@Stumblebee so.... 4 Words?
At least! I think I can come up with at least 15 minutes worth of words talking about stadia
@@Stumblebee For some reason I believe you
Exactly. Literally the most easily summarized video ever. 15 minutes of rambling for nothing. Show a clip of someone moving the analog stick with the resulting laggy videogame in the background and call it a day.
"Why Google Stadia just can't handle fighting games?"
Obviously it couldn't put up a fight with the other consoles.
whoever booked Games to fight Google Stadia needs a reality check, this is completely one sided.
"Would have gotten you laughed off the internet a few years earlier"
Lol they DID get laughed off the internet right now
Dope thumbnail!
I came here just for that
You have to buy the games individually on stadia and they are often more expensive than their steam version. and since you dont have the game downloaded if for whatever reason they take it down or the internet does not work you cant play the games you have rented. i do not want this to be the future of gaming where a game you bought will be unavailable in a few years because the license has expired and they have to shut down the distribution of it on stadia. and you cant play niche games or use any mods to enhance the games. in the long run buying a console or a decent pc will be cheaper and more reliable and if you have the internet speed to use stadia then it wont take long to just download the game to play it normally
Honestly crossplay with Stadia players in fighting games might make people feel bad for beating up on people that genuinely might have actual handicaps and an uneven playing field.
It’s like fighting some kid who has to play with his hands tied behind his back because he decided to buy a controller that can only be played upside down.
You should try it before you cast judgement. There is literally zero issues with Stadia.
@@ZidaneSteiner X
We found the guy whose dad bought some stocks for stadia
Fighting games require precise commands, the stadia has a lot of lag issues therefore the commands aren’t as precise as they should be.
There just saved you 15 minutes
7:06 wow I'm honored to finally be in the 1% of something in life
im the other one percent lol
1% rise up
When we’re you looking for a match on my favorite game, beletor MMA onslaught? I’m on there at all hours of the day looking for one, as it is the best fighting game of our time.
Ah a man of class. Who wouldn't enjoy playing as such prolific MMA talents such as Marlon Sandro and Ronnie "Iron" Mann?
@@Stumblebee :( I'm about to fight in Bellator and played the MMA game, it's shockingly good to how real MMA fights actually are, though it is very buggy and subject to a lot of weird nonsense
Dude, your channel punches SO gd hard above its weight - keep it up and you'll be made in a year, guaranteed
*edit: yes, garou, tell the people
I appreciate it, Kbash! But have you heard about our lord and savior Bellator MMA Onslaught for the Playstation 3 and Xbox360 video game consoles?
It's getting laughed off the internet right now
Oh shit that was really something interesting with the data centers I somehow didn't think about that part of the infrastructue
fire's pretty interesting
This man is a genius and we should all bow before his resplendent glory.
I'm surprised you got the stadia and even review how the current state is for fighters. This is excellent work dude!
Analysis: Why Stumblebee is a beyond valuable asset to the FGC
Google Stadia couldn't even handle my own activation code to actually use it
4:26
10/10 Button mapping
didn’t know controllers had gender identities but O K
I'm just gonna go ahead and say the N64 controller is homosexual.
@@nexketch2 "so long gay bowser"
It wasn't just fighting games it couldn't handle.
15:00 If you can already stream HD video, an internet upgrade might not help. The problem is latency, not throughput, but residential internet packages are sold according to throughput, not latency.
Negative latency means that the machine react to your buttons so fast that it happens before you even press the button.
Just imagine fighting games at a speed where are you reacting to things before they happens
Short answer:Input lag
Long answer:Thanks to said Input lag the game becomes so luck based that basically encourages button mashing and discouraging tech that has a high skill ceiling
That one guy that disliked was a guy that ordered stadia to play fps games
Actually stadia has serious fanboys there are still tons of people out there defending it
aaaaand they're shutting it down
I don't think it will work for as many genres as you think platformers , Devil may cry , beat n ups, racing games, shooters, a lot of other games benefit from short input lag
Also stadia sucks
I expected this video to be 5 seconds long "Why is it terrible? INPUT LAG!" *cuts to credits, thanks Patreons*
This cloud gaming mess gives me nothing
None of them
It only steals ownership and modability because u dont get the files
All for nothing but a laggy mess
And a game abonoment is nothing new
Server based gaming is domed because of its physicaly limitation
Very bad latency through long distances between server and end device the bandwith doesn't fix that the servers are to far away from each other.
>no support for High School Musical 3 dance pad
Pack it up boys, Stadia's DOA.
I can't find a reason to recommend this to anyone. Costs more money for an overall lower quality product.
As an Australian citizen, "300 up, 300 down" was painful to hear uttered so calmly.
I have 800 up, but it's not megabits.
Stadia, the great gaming experience, for people who don't want to pay upfront. If I played stadia I would probably roll around in annoyance when I see people on PC getting shadow of the tomb raider for 12 dollars along with 9 other games. Then when I mention Shadow, everyone tilts their head at me and calls me a hater... A streaming service that costs more, but if you even buy one game in the right place. IT COSTS LESS.
Maybe it only makes sense to me...
I clicked on this video then paused it before it started to fiddle on my phone for a bit. When I looked back up I saw the frame of the controller rising out of the pink goo and briefly forgot I had clicked on a Stadia video. I thought I'd have to sit through one of those annoying ads again.
I could absolutely never use this thing with my straight plebeian internet connection of like 10mb up/100mb down
yet here you are on TH-cam streaming video. What the hell do you think Stadia is doing? Also 10Mb down is the min requirement for Stadia, with that number expected to decrease over time.
For gaming on the go; I like to use Parsec. It's free when you've got your own PC to stream from (to a target device like a laptop), so I don't really see what Stadia has to offer. I suppose it has a games library, but I'd rather own my games anyway. You can also use Parsec to let your friends play games with you that they don't have. Parsec seems to suffer from the same latency issues as Stadia, but it's free, and if your streaming over to your friend you feel no lag (but they do obviously since they aren't playing locally and you are). This actually makes it possible for me to play with some friends of mine who use wifi without tearing my hair out.
The only reason Stadia broke into official market is because iDubbbz didn't make a Kickstarter crap video on Stadia. If he did, the Stadia would have been buried along with that white package a day before release
Not everyone has access to great internet. The input lag is just another reason added to a long list about "Why not to get Stadia" 🤷♂️
That's fine, there are other options. You're not being forced to buy Stadia. But if you can stream Netflix and TH-cam, then you can play Stadia. And there are a LOT of people who stream Netflix and TH-cam.
@@ZidaneSteiner Bruh, anything that can connect to the internet can stream TH-cam. I am here with my 1mb down can stream TH-cam and Netflix.
I thank you for taking the time (and money OOF) to make this video. I appreciate your honest criticisms on Stadia. And for me, the biggest problem I have with it are the parameters for optimal play.
In short, they're ridiculous for any average consumer. And it really begs the question, "Who is Stadia actually for?" It certainly can't be for anyone who plays video games in 2019 regularly with a console and/or PC. Its not for people who don't have fast, reliable internet and its not for any average video game consumer.
So...why buy Stadia? It may be "The Future of Gaming", but in its current state, its nowhere near worth the investment. And sadly the project will probably be dumped by Google in a year or 2 anyway.
Oh shoot, I actually completely forgot to mention Google's track record with supporting their initiatives. DANG.
It's not for anyone yet. It's a market placeholder and a vehicle for putting patents and infrastructure in place. It's a loss leader in hopes they can cash in when streaming video games is the market of choice.
12:38
Even over 2 years ago, Stadia already lacked players.
It's not at all surprising to see how it ended up the way it is now.
Can someone please tell every company THAT NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE WIRELESS AND NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SMART. Xbox’s, PC’s and regular TVs are FINE.
The only thing stadia can handle is its own ads
The fact that you put the songs that you used in the description
i like that we got to see a physical voiceover! it made the video more engaging and entertaining. love your content!
It's pronounced guh-ROH.
And when you wanna show input lag, FYI it's best if you press the button and release it as fast as possible so the frames can be counted. Otherwise, it's hard to tell where the actuation point is.
I'm pretty sure the Japanese word is pronounced GAH ROH
@@Next-xm2dh technically the R is pronounced like the D in Eddie. Baby steps
@@ITNoetic We call that "rolling" your R's. Latin people do it all the time.
@@luisburgos7365 I wouldn't ask that of a guy who couldn't even attempt to pronounce "garou" is what I'm saying
vgambit lol ok that I agree with lol
Input lag is also a gig problem in a lot of classic genres. It's impossible to play Sonic 1 correctly for instance. Platforming in marble zone become really hard
10:22
“26 Can... you PLEASE get off the PHONE mom, I’m GODLIKE right now!”
Yeah, sorry, no, I prefer actually OWNING games.
Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't actually "own" games you buy online (like on steam), because you basically borrow the game for an unknown period of time.
@@dephord8061 you'd be mighty surprised by the sheer amount of physical copies I've collected over the years.
@@nemamiah7832 oh, didn't know that. Probably on console I guess?
@@dephord8061 PS1, PS3 and a crapton of PC retail copies. There were times before Steam. And when Steam was just starting up, retails were prevalent for years. It's only in recent years it gets harder and harder to get physical copies of PC games.
Dephord heard of gog?
Gosh I wonder why retrofitting delay based netcode into a system might not be a good idea
You could have just made this video one second long and just said “Lag”
Yet if you go to the Stadia subreddit, all you see is "there's no lag!" and "flawless!". These people remind me of Apple fanboys.
@@kylehadsell4991 Just out of curiosity, do you realize that this will be the end of owning video games? Are you aware of the large energy overhead this will add to gaming that need not exist? Not trying to be inflammatory. Just honestly curious.
@@tobyvision I don't think most end users care about an abstract idea of ownership rather than the ease of access and quality of the gaming experience. Cloud gaming has the potential to revolutionize access to intensive games that require strong hardware. It's just that the low latency high bandwidth connections required to maximize the potential for cloud game streaming doesn't really exist on a widespread level yet.
@@312bigbeanburrito The low latency will never be realized as it is limited by the speed of light itself. Networking equipment is already very close to the theoretical ideal. Does the energy consumption aspect concern you at all?
@@tobyvision Great questions! I understand that Stadia is ultimately a service and I don't technically own the games, but I'm fine with that; I'll still get many hours playing games I enjoy and will still own some games through steam and other platforms! That said, I also think the pricing is more than reasonable, especially seeing all the outrage over it.. i dont understand. Pretty much everything but the games will be free in 2020.
As for the energy overhead, yes it is slightly larger - on google's end. They just take the processes that would normally run on a pc rig and stream it to your device, taking up little more energy than streaming a TH-cam video. As for my personal energy bill, running a Chromecast or streaming games to my phone is much less expensive (and noisy) than my old sh*tty rig!
@@kylehadsell4991 I did mean energy overhead in the global sense. Does it concern you at all that this format of gaming will have a very real and needless energy consumption increase over the method we already have?
This console was dead on arrival.
Yet here it is working great, with more and more subscribers signing up each day
@@ZidaneSteiner its Google, people would sign up to anything Google puts out....
@@ZidaneSteiner yeah no this this is a money grab
ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT SHREK SUPER SLAM IS NOT THE WORLD'S BEST FIGHTING GAME???
Are you implying it's good with other genres?
Given ideal internet conditions, yeah, actually. The idea is that, in peak conditions, Stadia works well enough that you can play something like Tomb Raider or RDR2 and not feel the additional weight because those games already feel weighty. Fighting games, by nature, require too much input precision to feel good when streamed over the internet. At least for now. Who knows what the future holds.
It's fine, I think. I'm not really a resolution stickler outside of 1080p. You're not going to find a fighting game that really takes advantage of a 4k resolution, but you will be able to stream it if your connection and data caps allow (20gb/hour) *shudder*
@@Stumblebee Hopefully it's not something they created just to leverage / promote 5g
@@Stumblebee The only way they will ever reach something approximating the traditional fighting game experience is with predictive inputs. The speed of light becomes the limiting factor in scenarios like Stadia. No hardware or software will ever solve that. Or if it does, video game emulation will be the least of our problems.
@@Stumblebee One of the factors of this I haven't seen anyone discuss yet is the absolutely enormous, needless energy burden it puts on gaming. All that transmission for something we have demonstrated for decades need not be transmitted. It's ecologically very irresponsible.
This video is really good. I'm not a big fighting game player so your content kind of goes over my head. But it seems you're good at branching out and discussing cloud gaming. Looking forward to see what you do next. And thank you for the video. Very insightful.
Good luck at pointing a gun to your internet provider forcing them to upgrade their service to be able to play streaming games in 16k with 144fps
Don't know why, but i feel like playing skull girls.
You should really run this experiment on mortal Kombat it uses GGPO which gives a very different handling of latency from the games design where samurai showdown actually fails at that pretty bad.
I been trying to learn timing on fighting games with adding delay frames, just 6 makes fights impossible to handle due to frustration of a completely different timing ... 10 frames lag!!???...NO, THANKS
I was looking forward to this comparison. Every other Stadia review was covering Destiny 2. Thanks, Stumblebee.
7:50 you’re a little *too* excited for tomb raider.
The Stadia doesn't seem like a bad idea in general, but It's obviously a *terrible* idea for fighting games and FPS games. It's absolutely baffling that they chose to set themselves up for inevitable failure by including so many launch games that would highlight Stadia's big unsolvable weakness. Even latency on the order of
7:53 look at the reflection 😂
TBF if two players were streaming to the same Stadia PC it would work probably, but would be a lot of work and I doubt there'd be crossplay
Why don’t you have more subscribers? With the quality production of the video, I would think you would have atleast 100k subscribers by now. Been a subscriber since your sf X tekken video
what ever happened to stadia? i can't remember the last time it was even spoken about, i guess 2 years ago it was still being pushed. but these days? it wins the award for most tumbleweeds and crickets whenever it's name is mentioned.
completely shutting down in just a few months
@@WaxxyVanderquail that would suck if you invested money into it. it really only had 2 options in the end, become huge or a huge waste of money :\
@@jmc2830 they are refunding all game purchases
Cloud gaming doesnt have any future, not even in years because games will demmand more internet and remember that there are people who play OFFLINE or have PAINFULLY SLOW internet connection, it has simpply just have been death since it started
GAH - ROH : Mark of the Wolves, btw
If you’ve never played it, you’re missing out on SNK’s best fighting game.
I agree.
EverydayLegend isnt that the next gen Fatal Fury?
SMEARGLEX75 idk about next gen, shit originally came out 20y ago, but it’s Fatal Fury’s answer to Third Strike
@@yeetkunedo The last and best Fatal Fury.
Yesterday my wife and I was about to play some classic Donkey Kong Country emulated in a PC, just for convenience at the moment. When I started the first stage, I've noticed some input lag and closed the emulator right away.
Turned on my SNES in a good old fashioned CRT TV and the difference was tremmendous. I know this game needs some input lag perfection and modern games does'nt need that acuracy, but I'm concerned about game streamming services to become to be the "new way of gaming".
Please god tell me that this flop will make every company back off this train of "we'll stream it to your device train". I'm really starting to get sick of it.
I don't. I think it can be good.
I was actually thinking of buying stadia. I have gigabit fiber internet. Should I work well with my internet so long it's connected to Ethernet?
Why Google stadia can't handle fighting games?
Simple it can't handle GAMES at all.
Clearly, you're an idiot who hasn't actually tried Stadia.
@@ZidaneSteiner Dude, I'm finding you in more than one comment. It's ok that Stadia works good for you, but you're not the whole Stadia market target.
Stadia is also really negative for speed running games, as a lot require frame perfect tricks and the inconsistent latency is definitely a problem there
I'm not much of a fighting game expert, but shooters should be even worse right?
Having constant added latency to my mouse seems a nightmare
My prediction: The more boundaries you have separating the player from communicating with the game, the more stinky smelly delay there is. Anyone with a brain knew stadia would have at least this one issue, but I still want to hear how it fares from someone who’s experienced it. For that purpose, thank you for making this informative video and sacrificing your hard earned money on something we all knew would basically be an atrocity.
I bought the founders edition, I've had zero issues. He's totally nitpicking on the compression artifacts. You don't notice it at all when playing. He had to likely play for hours, or try to gimp his connection just to get this footage. The common place experience with Stadia is that it just works, and works very well. I wouldn't say its "the future", because it works today, amazingly well as a gen 1 product. We still have yet to see game engines that have Streaming built into the codebase, games built from the ground up with streaming in mind, game studios that take full advantage of Stadia's power, etc. Everyone dismissing this just a couple weeks out from launch is ridiculous. At least you can change your username easily, how long did it take Sony to implement that?
I'm glad you're doing an actual analysis that is well researched instead of just saying "hurr durr Stadia bad" while repeating themselves over and over again to stretch the vid to 10 minutes. Also, you actually have Stadia unlike these other "critics"
the reason gamers dont give a damn about streaming games is cause remote play exists.
Latency is high in Stadia 40-55ms only for CUIC protocol to connect Stadia servers and returns to you, streaming is simply not for play games
What sticks out to me the most is the google stadia ads during the game awards and their super high confidence.
Like, the promises from those ads are extremely high. Especially to someone who hasn’t heard of stadia yet up to that point.
7:50 you can see stumblebee shaking his head in the reflection of the laptop
9:22 what is that music?? ive been tryna figure that out for ages...
I think a big problem with stadia is with the isps. As they improve so much data is being sent that itll probably hit data caps quite easily and also that the internet infustructure in the usa alone is pretty bad.
Cuz there’s too much input lag. The connection is unstable. No need for 15 minutes lmao
7:47 the reflection tells how much you enjoy playing tomb raider
Okayyyy, I see you with the kof xiii ost
The video clipped at one point due to my connection speed and I was wondering if you put that in there intentionally to make a point
Same reason it sucks in general. Input lag. Saved you 15 minutes, thank me later.
Anyone who ever thought Stadia could be successful has a very little understanding of how the internet and videogames work. I thought people learned with Onlive.
Shendue thinking google will do with their track record is even more a reason for it to eventually fail
I'd rather not have streaming for videogames my internet ain't the best
I still don't get how stadia launched so unfinished.
It isn't new tech onlive did it before and better
Stadia:
Buy us or we'll leak your History
*Laughs I duck duck go incognito*
well:
S-t-a-d-i-a
I-s D-a-t-a
Its just matter of arrangement.
Trying Darkstalkers on PSNow was one of the most painful experiences I have had. That lag kills most games, especially fighting games
Stadia will fail..
The main focus is that it's a game stream..
More than half of the world doesn't have fast internet (mostly are on 3 - 25 mbps, extremely rare for 50 mbps) and the only servers are in the US..