It might seem like an even greater coincidence, until you realize that if we were using a different numerative system (say octal instead of decimal), it would not appear so rounded. What I’m saying is, the chance that it’s 1.12.000 is exactly the same as if it would be 1.12.001, or any other time.
Yea, F1 channel had all the split times and the car camera views, but with this interpretation I can see where either car is stronger on which part of the track. Reckon Max is now gonna run with a little less wing during the race.
I mean, it's different. Here it's a top down view of the cars positions, on the F1 channel it's the POVs and realtime delta. Different but both good I'd say.
Would be interesting to see a comparison between Russel and Hamilton's best runs in Q3. That might give us a better idea about the Merc's real level of performance.
@@YouHaventSeenMeRight Ahh dang. TH-cam ate my comment. I was basically linking to the FIA's split times. Search f1 qualifying sector times canada 2024 and you'll find it on the FIA's website. At the start of the 2nd last straight, both were even for time. Russell pulled a 0.095s lead on Max. Out of the final corner, Max was 0.008 behind, but that gap was closing faster and faster down the final straight. On the back two "straights" (slightly curved) Max was just walking away from George. The fact that George pulled away from Max on that 2nd last straight just shows how huge the tow was. I do believe the RBR car is faster on the straight, but Mercedes really did strategise well to get the most benefit. I love how every member of the team contributes and such little things make a huge difference.
FYI Sector 1 1 Max 19.987 2 George 20.057 5 Lewis 20.121 Sector 2 1 Lewis 22.642 2 George 22.714 6 Max 22.902 Sector 3 1 George 28.971 3 Max 29.090 10 Lewis 29.216 Max did say at Monaco that he was struggling with the hardness they have to run on their suspension (meaning he couldn't ride kerbs as well) and that may be a factor going into Canada. It seems correct; in the twisty kerb riding sections, he's slower. Sector 1 is made a bit better for him simply because of the high entry speed at the end of the straight before turn 1.
Your videos are awesome man. Nice job with this. Its surprising to me that this doesn't happen more often even within the mid pack. If you assume two drivers will have lap times within .1 seconds of each other, the chance of tying should be at least .5% I would think. Multiple that by 20 drivers for 23 races and I feel like it would happen several times a season within the field and once every few years for pole.
The latter, definitely. Why would setting a time of exactly 1.12.000 be any more special than setting a time of exactly 1.12.001? It took 72000 milliseconds in the 10-base numerative system with seconds being defined as “taking the fixed numerical value of the caesium frequency, ΔνCs, the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine transition frequency of the caesium 133 atom, to be 9192631770 when expressed in the unit Hz, which is equal to s−1”. But people don’t see or think about that.
2 drivers setting the exact same time to the thousandth of a second on a 1:12:000 is insane! If another driver made it happen, it would 1997 all over again (which I never saw it live again)
The astronomically low chances of two different drivers getting not only the exact same lap time but also getting a lap time literally perfect to the millisecond is absolutely insane!!
It looks like tehe RBR chasis gets unsettled mid-corner exit right when getting on the power. I guess it makes sense now why Max struggled at Monaco. Corner exit acceleration is crucial over there.
At these speeds, one thousandth is still about 6cm at the line. It should be clear from the telemetry who was actually faster, even if the chrono only goes down to 0.001s.
you can map it from race onboard videos. If you have paid to access f1 channel you can switch from driver view to another driver and just mark visually where they are on the track at spwcific moment. Its close enough
By the time Max did his run the track was worse, no one improved on their first time except him. So had he run at the same time Russel did, he would have been at least 0.2 sec faster.
Where is the data behind this sourced from? F1 clearly had to remove a frame from Russell's original lap video to make the times look similar. It took him more than 2 frames past 1:12.000 to cross the line, which is over four hundredths of a second.
That's one thing I really love about F1 and why I dislike Formular E: The cars in F1 are completely different. The Red Bull and the Mercedes share, apart from very few standard component because of FIA regulation, not a single screw. Two completely different approaches are able to compete on the highest level. None of them is able to pull a trigger and get much faster. They are on the limit. That's a competition I want to see. Not a race with 20 cars who look completely the same from the outside.
I'm just curious, if the time is exactly the same, what is the determiners of who got the pole? Is it which one is the one who sets the lap first or something?
Im curious to see Hamiltons best lap against Russels too, since he admitted he looked into the data to see what was Hamilton doing to be faster than him in FP3
I like the part where you explain HOW they did it. - It just happened. It's just a huuuuuuge coincidence. They simply needed exactly the same time to complete one lap. That's like a 1 in how many quadrillion chance? But one rule of the universe says: "Everything that CAN happen, at some point WILL happen."
So it seems Mercedes is actually faster exiting corner on a straight, Redbull seems faster on breaking and all which give an edge early, but after the first straight Mercedes catch up real quick and maintain position and even took the lead a little bit
Remember vettels dominance? It has to stop somewhere! Newey leaving slacking on upgrades the rest of the pack will catch up. massive regulation changes in the next few seasons goodbye to red bulls dominance.. max will win the championship this year but that will be it for a few seasons at least
Remember for all the guys that were kids or not yet born that in 1997 three (yes exactly 3) Pilot got the same time 1.21.097 something like 1 out of some Milions probability to guess
Wierd coincidence but the session was very inconsistent. The mercs did those times on old tires. Then for the second half of Q3 wind picked up, max only improved in sector 1, while both mercs behind him couldn't improve any where. Everyone ahead of these 3 on track got a full go on new tires. The mercs were mighty on the Saturday for once...
The FIA knows what the 4th number after the decimal point is but won’t publish it. Who do you think actually has the fastest time? To my eye, I believe Russell is some 10,000th of a second ahead.
Nice video, but... i miss tow help detail too. Because it looks plain race, so video is kinda incomplete why RUS speed up. If you add tow effect on some parts, we understand better why somebody goes faster and other not.
The fact that it was a clean 1:12:000 too. Damn, what a qualifying. If only Norris was 21 thousandths faster...
Jerez '97 reloaded
That was possible if Norris went to the toilet FIRST before riding a F1 car ... especially if you have to lose a lot of poop weight !
21000?
If if if ... if my mom had balls it would be my dad
It might seem like an even greater coincidence, until you realize that if we were using a different numerative system (say octal instead of decimal), it would not appear so rounded. What I’m saying is, the chance that it’s 1.12.000 is exactly the same as if it would be 1.12.001, or any other time.
This is a much better comparison than the one from the F1 channel
Thank you, sir! Really appreciate it
Much better visualisation
Yea, F1 channel had all the split times and the car camera views, but with this interpretation I can see where either car is stronger on which part of the track. Reckon Max is now gonna run with a little less wing during the race.
I mean, it's different. Here it's a top down view of the cars positions, on the F1 channel it's the POVs and realtime delta. Different but both good I'd say.
@@formulaaddict i don't understand why the official f1 channel doesn't hire you
Didn't able to witness the 1997's 3-way tie, but hey luckily I witness this, gotta be a part of history too
I don’t know why but I feel like this happened more recently too. I was surprised but not that surprised
Wdym? Just reset the time and reborn bro
3 way was almost unbelievable (was watching that day) . 2 way is still amazing and the fact it was 1:12.000
Nobody was particularly bothered in 97. People were less easily impressed.
And it's three numbers after the dot
George's corner exits are really strong. Great video
I think that's because the Merc engine makes good midrange torque.
@@3rdGenGuy true, if george will be in rb max will humiliated him
@@realksxlet’s not jump the gun. Max is real deal. Russel is inconsistent
In one lap qualifying they are tied but in terms of race proper, Max will get the better of George.
In your dreams😅😅 oh wait i just read your name. That explains everything@@realksx
I looked forward to your video as soon as I saw the same record up to a thousandth of a second
Amazing.
This comparison is many times better than what "formula 1" official channel makes.
too good!
George got a great tow down that second last straight. The difference it made was huge!
Would be interesting to see a comparison between Russel and Hamilton's best runs in Q3. That might give us a better idea about the Merc's real level of performance.
He also had a squiggle in S1 where he lost some time. And Merc is the fastest car of the weekend. No discredit to them
George and Lewis were faster Q2, in the 1:11:xx times
@@YouHaventSeenMeRight Ahh dang. TH-cam ate my comment.
I was basically linking to the FIA's split times. Search f1 qualifying sector times canada 2024 and you'll find it on the FIA's website.
At the start of the 2nd last straight, both were even for time. Russell pulled a 0.095s lead on Max. Out of the final corner, Max was 0.008 behind, but that gap was closing faster and faster down the final straight.
On the back two "straights" (slightly curved) Max was just walking away from George. The fact that George pulled away from Max on that 2nd last straight just shows how huge the tow was. I do believe the RBR car is faster on the straight, but Mercedes really did strategise well to get the most benefit. I love how every member of the team contributes and such little things make a huge difference.
FYI
Sector 1
1 Max 19.987
2 George 20.057
5 Lewis 20.121
Sector 2
1 Lewis 22.642
2 George 22.714
6 Max 22.902
Sector 3
1 George 28.971
3 Max 29.090
10 Lewis 29.216
Max did say at Monaco that he was struggling with the hardness they have to run on their suspension (meaning he couldn't ride kerbs as well) and that may be a factor going into Canada. It seems correct; in the twisty kerb riding sections, he's slower. Sector 1 is made a bit better for him simply because of the high entry speed at the end of the straight before turn 1.
Two is extremely rare. But three is once in many lifetimes! And with a world title at stake, to boot. And I watched it live! ❤️❤️❤️
Absolutely amazing visualization of these two driver's lap. Thank you so much for sharing this with us all.
We should definitely allow Ghost Mode in F1 (not in the game) the real f1
And Proximity chat.
@@mrcringe-fg6zq Kmag would go crazy on PTT
amazing talent from both ❤❤
As soon as I saw Quali end, I couldn't wait for this channel to do the animation
Wow so quick to upload, thanks for your hard work! It was a cool qualifying session. Hope the race is just as exciting today
How do you do this man? This is really great!! Where do you get the data and how do you render this? What engine do you use?
I wanna bet both of the teams are crunching these numbers too ! This proves the theoretical 'perfect lap' is considerably faster than this.
Well Merc Q2 lap was faster than this. But it’s a damn good coincidence anyways
I love the side by side graphics of the cars. How did you do this???
Джордж большой молодец, и команда прибавила, надеюсь будет 4 команда-победитель в этом сезоне.
Your videos are awesome man. Nice job with this.
Its surprising to me that this doesn't happen more often even within the mid pack. If you assume two drivers will have lap times within .1 seconds of each other, the chance of tying should be at least .5% I would think. Multiple that by 20 drivers for 23 races and I feel like it would happen several times a season within the field and once every few years for pole.
I don't know what's crazier the spot on 1:12:000 time or the fact that it was set twice.
The latter, definitely. Why would setting a time of exactly 1.12.000 be any more special than setting a time of exactly 1.12.001?
It took 72000 milliseconds in the 10-base numerative system with seconds being defined as “taking the fixed numerical value of the caesium frequency, ΔνCs, the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine transition frequency of the caesium 133 atom, to be 9192631770 when expressed in the unit Hz, which is equal to s−1”. But people don’t see or think about that.
2 drivers setting the exact same time to the thousandth of a second on a 1:12:000 is insane! If another driver made it happen, it would 1997 all over again (which I never saw it live again)
The astronomically low chances of two different drivers getting not only the exact same lap time but also getting a lap time literally perfect to the millisecond is absolutely insane!!
Should have included Lando. Would have been interesting to see how small the margin is
Was waiting for this!
It looks like tehe RBR chasis gets unsettled mid-corner exit right when getting on the power. I guess it makes sense now why Max struggled at Monaco. Corner exit acceleration is crucial over there.
You're the best, was waiting for this !
It reminds me of another notable feat, when Bottas set the exact same time on three consecutive laps of a race.
W video and as always love music choice
High quality video. Thank you very much.
At these speeds, one thousandth is still about 6cm at the line. It should be clear from the telemetry who was actually faster, even if the chrono only goes down to 0.001s.
This is not only extremely insightful, it's fkn ART!
f1 channel must learn this kind of craft.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VID OMGGG
how u guys got data u got precise speed and car location on track? make me wonder
you can map it from race onboard videos. If you have paid to access f1 channel you can switch from driver view to another driver and just mark visually where they are on the track at spwcific moment. Its close enough
@@Wszyc tq sir.. now i understand..
If Russel would be slower driver with a faster car, it would show. But they seem to match in most corners.
Love the timer under the drivers like ots in question what time they will set
Good Job!
Pls pls have comparison of George, Max and Lando all together 🙏🙏
Dunno why still believe Verstappen wins 0,001, but if still same 0,000 that was nice great result
By the time Max did his run the track was worse, no one improved on their first time except him. So had he run at the same time Russel did, he would have been at least 0.2 sec faster.
"We didn't have the pace to fight for pole" - Max Verstappen as he gets the same exact time as pole.
Better than F1’s TH-cam channel 👍
When they cross the start/finish line with the same interval from start line to the finish line then it is considered too be the same lap time.
I am waiting your vid for the Jerez qualifying in 1997
Such a great compare! I’d love to see the telemetry
I just hope the weather is good so we get a good race
Crazy they were able to keep driving after driving through each other
Amazing stuff! Where do you find the data to make these detailed animations?
Love the video, been waiting for this
Awsome visualisation 👍
Really incredible. !remindme every year to rewatch rhis xD
Bear in mind that Russell got a slipstream from albon after the hairpin - so it wasn’t necessarily a better corner exit
Pure art
Where is the data behind this sourced from? F1 clearly had to remove a frame from Russell's original lap video to make the times look similar. It took him more than 2 frames past 1:12.000 to cross the line, which is over four hundredths of a second.
That's one thing I really love about F1 and why I dislike Formular E: The cars in F1 are completely different. The Red Bull and the Mercedes share, apart from very few standard component because of FIA regulation, not a single screw. Two completely different approaches are able to compete on the highest level. None of them is able to pull a trigger and get much faster. They are on the limit. That's a competition I want to see. Not a race with 20 cars who look completely the same from the outside.
I'm just curious, if the time is exactly the same, what is the determiners of who got the pole?
Is it which one is the one who sets the lap first or something?
You are correct. The first driver with the time gets it.
Can u do this for the 97 european gran prix
Could you do the 97 Jerez qualifying?
Verry interesting and amazimg
Was expecting to see Lando in the mix as well
Bro he was 0.021 off. You can't be much more in the mix😂
@@bwoahgeeteeHe obviously means he was expecting to see Norris in the video visualization
He just drove right in to me
Russel will have a hand full of defending Verstappen in that first sector.
love these.... what separates the top 4?
I think it would be better if there was a slight delay at the beginning of this video.
Im curious to see Hamiltons best lap against Russels too, since he admitted he looked into the data to see what was Hamilton doing to be faster than him in FP3
Interesting if 4th number was also matching both drivers
You must don’t let the fact away, Russel made his best lap at the start of Q3 with a used soft, but Max set his lap in the end and on the new tyre
I would love to know who was quicker! I heard that in 97 someone had knowledge of the 4th decimal
I like the part where you explain HOW they did it.
- It just happened. It's just a huuuuuuge coincidence. They simply needed exactly the same time to complete one lap. That's like a 1 in how many quadrillion chance?
But one rule of the universe says: "Everything that CAN happen, at some point WILL happen."
So it seems Mercedes is actually faster exiting corner on a straight, Redbull seems faster on breaking and all which give an edge early, but after the first straight Mercedes catch up real quick and maintain position and even took the lead a little bit
Amazing😮
Can you simulate what would have happened if it had 4 digits 0.0000? What would be both lap times?
Next time, add all telemetry data! ... That would be cool :)
Does anyone knows what the fourth decimal would tell in this case?
Really interesting that MB is faster on straights, they usually struggle with high speeds 🧐
What is up with the red bull? How is the acceleration an issue all of a sudden?!
Remember vettels dominance? It has to stop somewhere! Newey leaving slacking on upgrades the rest of the pack will catch up. massive regulation changes in the next few seasons goodbye to red bulls dominance.. max will win the championship this year but that will be it for a few seasons at least
It has to be said, Verstappen has the superior control under braking
In fact, one of them must have been quicker than the other. The ten thousandths of a second should have shown a difference.
hey, where's the car that gave Russell the tow since that was the tipping point for Russell's pole
When all are one and one is all.
Saw that Mercedes and Red Bull same lap time a record -ferrari out badly❤❤🎉🎉 so ferrari win in Monaco was biggg
Remember for all the guys that were kids or not yet born that in 1997 three (yes exactly 3) Pilot got the same time 1.21.097 something like 1 out of some Milions probability to guess
Very impressed with Mercedes straight line speed now I guess.
George got a massive tow down the second last straight.
@@eagle3906 oh riiiight. I forgot abt that & you can clearly see where on the track he benefitted from that.
Wierd coincidence but the session was very inconsistent. The mercs did those times on old tires.
Then for the second half of Q3 wind picked up, max only improved in sector 1, while both mercs behind him couldn't improve any where. Everyone ahead of these 3 on track got a full go on new tires. The mercs were mighty on the Saturday for once...
I was there it was amazing
I was not there it was amazing
Nice Job!
Looks more like orders for sharing the honours across the entire grid!
OK. That was was kinda cool.
no yaking, or faux-excitement commentary overlays, just let the picture(s) tell the story.
I’m The only One that Saw The difference between 1 car and the other one where the time stops?
Someone would’ve had to know the ten thousandth digit
What a qualifying
The FIA knows what the 4th number after the decimal point is but won’t publish it. Who do you think actually has the fastest time? To my eye, I believe Russell is some 10,000th of a second ahead.
2024 is much more exciting than anticipated
Max was going for .150 - .200 faster lap but turn 7 understeer was costly, such is f1 racing.
This is amazing
Nice video, but... i miss tow help detail too. Because it looks plain race, so video is kinda incomplete why RUS speed up.
If you add tow effect on some parts, we understand better why somebody goes faster and other not.
Weston would have been the time if not for the staring turns
How do you know?
Dry setup vs wet setup.
they set the same lap time, because it took them the same amount of time to cross the line :)
Funny cos george and Hamilton did faster in Q2, 1:11:xxx