The Unreliable Adults of Goodnight Punpun (Parents/Other Adults Story Breakdown)

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ย. 2024

ความคิดเห็น • 83

  • @lexaand
    @lexaand  2 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    ADDITIONAL NOTE: At 23:05, I mention Punpun's mother being better off if she appreciated the family she had. It's worth pointing out that she's the main reason their family broke apart. Her self-destructive tendencies surfaced during an earlier discussion with her husband. Unable to see past her "lonely" existence in the small house, she planned to off Punpun and then herself. Mr. Punyama, despite possibly being able to get out of the situation peacefully, was pushed to the point of knocking her out in self-defense. The methods of getting a message across were questionable, and while potentially saving Punpun, this leads to the domestic dispute seen at the beginning of the story. There's another earlier instance where Punpun's mother takes him with her in a taxi, where she planned for them to disappear together in the sea, changing her mind shortly after. Both of these things continue to show how unsatisfied she was throughout her life.
    These are noteworthy parts, though I wasn't sure if they would mesh with the rest of the discussion. They have since been discussed in the final part of this series. Apologies if some wanted to see those events here but found them absent.

    • @ryne1625
      @ryne1625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I interpret Mama Punpun as having a chaotic sense about her, and depicting the archetypal disenfranchised/repressed woman. It's a desire for more and feeling she deserves more that derails her. In a way, Papa Punyama is also to blame (I think in one panel he had promised Mama a lot of money or a bigger house or smth that he couldnt achieve)

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@ryne1625 I wonder if they both brought each other down in their despot, making things worse instead of helping each other.

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Pun pun’s mother could of eventually spiraled into a massive depressed state where she could no longer pull herself out of. The husband was probably in a bad state and had his own issues and couldn’t help her. Pun pun took the brunt of it as he shouldn’t have had to dealt with his mothers problems.
      Either way the both parents failed pun pun. Both parents were selfish and thought about themselves only and their issues.

    • @Random17Game
      @Random17Game 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Do you think that when PunPun knew that Yuuichi knew that Midori raped him that also affected him on chapter 69?

  • @glazedgooch4546
    @glazedgooch4546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +691

    Didn't talk aboot how his mom was actually going to kill him and then herself and that's why his dad had to knock her out? Oof.

    • @jeanthemachine007
      @jeanthemachine007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yeah, I noticed he didn't mention that - probably a minor error

    • @madAL402
      @madAL402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      It's never revealed to Punpun that this is the case however. So may be that in characterising the impact of useless adults in his life and their impact it doesn't add much to go over. The truth to Punpun stays that his dad knocked her out, then lied to him repeatedly selfishly, yet unconvincingly, and disappeared.

    • @eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw
      @eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw ปีที่แล้ว +5

      source? as inchapter and page???

    • @chriscyborg2187
      @chriscyborg2187 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Which chapter it happened or explained? I missed it, i guess

    • @spacesatan5840
      @spacesatan5840 ปีที่แล้ว

      What the fuck?!

  • @mrct592
    @mrct592 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I think the Seki part with the contract hit is so good. They're both too cowardly to actually go through with it, she cries, sharing a moment of vulnerability, but the moment Seki offers a moment of emotional support to her, with objectively good advice she's giving him a death stare.
    That reaction makes me feel like she is nowhere close to letting this go. She just lacked the willpower to follow through on the evil in her heart. She will sit and stew on this event for the rest of her life, unable to heal a festering wound like so many other adults in Oyasumi Punpun, because she's too afraid to walk into the abyss and too bitter inside to accept repair.

  • @Ryan-iv5fr
    @Ryan-iv5fr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    the first 4 minutes i was like wtf did we read the same manga? Then you said "Majority will know how off they are." hahah Great video.

  • @RaspberryPastry
    @RaspberryPastry ปีที่แล้ว +203

    As someone that had a childhood full of neglect and abuse and even had to leave my family home to live with my grandma at only 14 years old because my mom was too selfish to protect us from dangerous men that were using her desperation to try to prey on her children, Punpun goes hard as hell.

    • @bobobo3379
      @bobobo3379 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      we share very similar stories, if you want to get something off your chest i'm happy to listen

    • @geo1234maice
      @geo1234maice ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm sorry

    • @cthult7856
      @cthult7856 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Relatable but my dad enables mum's craziness and resulted in my sisters and I repeatedly being abused, it's hard to be an adult with a past full of sadness and grief but hopefully you have good days too ❤

    • @fall_tea8857
      @fall_tea8857 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope you and the comment section is alright- and if not i wish them the best and hope they will get better soon.

  • @alittleofsomething
    @alittleofsomething ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Punpun isn't free, he's a slave to his own insecurities. At least, that's what I'm getting at through analysis videos. I couldn't get through the manga.

  • @whitedragoness23
    @whitedragoness23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    I think in the end pun’s father kept believing living a selfish life was the way to go. He is stubborn and in denial. He probably has some regret not being closer to his son. His only consolation is his ideals.

    • @RainerRilke3
      @RainerRilke3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      When he said that he meant it as a serious kind of advice tho and not just as a justification for hid life choices. Punpun always took himself and by extension others too seriously. So Papa Punpun's (and perhaps the entire manga's) teaching is that in a world where people hurt, betray and abandon each other, making irresponsable choices that don't always make moral sense, a bit of selfishness is required in order to not lose your mind (like Punpun did)

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@RainerRilke3 maybe it was serious advice. It probably was how pun pun’s dad dealt with life and didn’t do worse things. It’s still not a healthy solution as pun pun ended up screwed from his dads selfish behavior and put himself first.

    • @thebrowhodoesntlift9613
      @thebrowhodoesntlift9613 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm starting to think the video got the character wrong. I think he was the one messaging punpun, and the mother lied as a one last spiteful act.
      His lesson to punpun was, "don't be like me", he gave his away to save punpun and suffers from it.

    • @Crybaby-Media
      @Crybaby-Media ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t believe he was living selfishly at all. He didn’t make the right decision, but if Punpuns mom accused his father of abuse . He would be cut out anyway.
      He didn’t try to frame mom as the bad guy, until much later . He wanted punpun to live a hopefully normal life

  • @knightabbas363
    @knightabbas363 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I had never known how great of a story oyasumi punpun is, the lessons that were taught here are priceless and really important to anyone's life

  • @ImJustStar
    @ImJustStar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Another great analysis. Your perspective on punpun and it's characters are really interesting and thought provoking. Really hope to see more videos like these in the future

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Glad you enjoyed it! Still got plenty planned out for this series

  • @jakebradshaw1911
    @jakebradshaw1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    chapter 67,68 is there I had to stop reading broke me more than even when I finished the manga with what happened at the end. It was the turning point as punpuns mum was all he really had left to cling onto his childhood especially with what is revealed to him shortly after.

  • @lexaand
    @lexaand  3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    0:00 Intro
    1:44 Part 1: Punpun & Unreliable Adults
    7:35 (Seki)
    10:25 Part 2: Punpn & Unreliable Parents
    12:16 (Dad)
    16:53 (Mom)
    23:15 (State of Punpun)

  • @inqntrol2047
    @inqntrol2047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Bro for real, how come you don't have more views and subs? The analyses in your videos are really good and more people should see them. Shame that youtube's algorithm sucks, and it's gonna suck even more now because the dislike button was removed. I happened to find your video about usagi drop by chance when youtube showed me a clip from the anime.

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      We'll have to see what happens on that front. Regardless, I enjoy making the content, and I'm glad that people like the videos 👌

    • @-441-
      @-441- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lexaand Like?? I LOVED THIS.

  • @madAL402
    @madAL402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I find myself wondering which philosophical attitudes best encapsulate Oyasumi Punpun as a whole. When I first read it, I found that it aligns greatly with a nihilistic interpretation of absurdism. There is no objective meaning in anything, and as the subjective meanings innocently given to Punpun by his relatives and Aiko are broken, he peers into the abyss of how meaningless things objectively are as he lacks the direction and support to find a fulfilling purpose and raison d'etre himself. This dependence on others and enactment of the broken fundamental understanding of connection Punpun has just compounds as time goes on. He toils with his emotional needs being unmet, and never having the framework in order to remedy his situation. A fractured self schema, and the harshness of the world set hi up for failure, and he just doesn't truly know how to engage with others to free himself of his destructive mentality.

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I'd say that's a pretty solid interpretation overall. The series is interesting in that way since you can essentially take various parts and assign them different philosophical perspectives. Punpun as an adult definitely embraces full-on nihilism. After Sachi finds him and gives him an individual purpose, his attitude strays slightly into existentialism. Running away with Aiko could be seen as nihilistic hedonism. By the end of the story, it seems like he's embraced a more absurdist stance by choosing to live regardless of the lack of meaning. All of it is certainly subjective, but fun to think about.

    • @madAL402
      @madAL402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lexaand I fully agree, the natural change in the characters and their perspective is one of my favourite aspects of the story. They feel exaggerated at points, but very real. Thanks for the reply and these videos. I recommended Punpun to quite a few friends in hopes of being able to discuss these kind of topics. These video essays definitely mirror what I had wished to discuss.
      I personally took Punpun's running away with Aiko following the death of her mother as the boiling over of the repressed elements in Punpun's shadow. As if the parts of him depicted by afro god no longer have the barrier of the narrative that he is suffering for being good to others. In this shift he indulges in revenge upon Aiko and the world around him, merging in his new form with God almost. He definitely is indulging in hedonism and very nihilistic. He seemingly is also enacting the self-sacrificial and prosecutive fantasy he muddled into his feeling of Aiko in younger life. I had never heard of the relation to celestial mythology that Asano had intended however, which is very interesting.
      I'll be going through your other videos gradually and probably comment sometimes like this. I hope it is welcome, if its a chore to engage with I'd refrain. I really appreciate the work you evidently put in analysing and researching these. The editing and writing is very well structured and a pleasure to engage with.
      Although I've been loving it, I am finding connecting with Oyasumi Punpun again is somewhat emotionally taxing. Although I wish to hear more analysis of the series, I hope that you stay mindful of and prioritise your mental whilst working on it so much. Bless.

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      One of the main reasons I make these videos is to encourage discussion and sharing of opinions. By all means, your comments are more than welcome! I'm glad you've enjoyed what's been presented; it's not perfect, but I definitely try to properly cover various aspects and angles as best I can. Punpun is a rough read for sure, so I don't blame anyone for keeping a reasonable distance. I also appreciate the concern, I'll make sure to take care while engaging with series like this. Wishing you the best as well!

    • @madAL402
      @madAL402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lexaand Thanks man. Look forward to your future works. Its really cool you decided to start the channel for that purpose. May not be perfect but you have a good style of structuring the narrative and are expressive and comprehensible. You should be proud of these videos.
      My predicament with Punpun is less with the emotional brutality of the story, but with the manner it's depicted and if it is constructive. It seems to me circumstances almost implicitly are used to justify the events and perspective of Punpun. Accepting external events as the reasons for stagnation and regression as a person is definitely quite a counterproductive mentality. I feel it can encourage this. I have seen people who do this have a much harder time with change than those who take personal responsibility for their situation and mentality. Same can be said for being highly self prosecutive in thought and emotion, as is also amply seen in the story. The inherent nihilism seems potentially stifling if you identify with it rather, yet I also feel the narrative can be very elucidating as to these pitfalls in mentality too. I have varied in how I feel I react to the story in this regard at different points I've read it.
      Regardless its a very powerful story and it is very interesting to hear different interpretations of. It seems a story which affects everyone who engages it very personally and uniquely. Do you have any thoughts on this in particular? I feel it is an interesting aspect to discuss regarding the work, and how commonly people have strong personal emotions attached to this story. Must be topical if you see almost obligatory disclaimers on recommendations of the series hahaha. Thanks for the wholesome reply anyhow

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Personally, I think the way things happen in the series make sense, if only because reality can be a very cruel mistress when it wants to be. I agree that external factors shouldn't necessarily be accepted as a cause for blame. Then again, everyone has a different experience within their own lives. Even one small moment can result in a crazy butterfly effect. In Punpun's case, the initial spark was the domestic dispute with his parents. Being a child, there was no way to avoid the end result of the conflict, leading to a loss of identity, a family structure, self-respect, etc. Everything continued to snowball until it was too late to reverse the damage. It's very possible that the story might be meant as a cautionary tale for what happens if you indulge in that nihilism too deeply. It's tricky whether identifying with the story and its presentation is reasonable or not; like you said, it could be bad if someone took everything at surface value.
      From what I've seen, a lot of readers do form certain connections with the series, and others never want to touch it again. I remember a certain comment mentioned that the series is a look into someone's inner turmoil, and to fully understand it, you need your own experiences with what's being presented. Seeing a variety of people talk about the comfort they got in light of that, it makes sense. I'm actually guilty of something you mentioned previously. I plan to touch on it more in the future, but I'm also a very nihilistic person. At the time when I first read it, certain events in Punpun helped me make peace with the idea of taking my life. However, the exact same series prevented me from doing just that. My relationship with the series is complicated for sure, but having overcome that dark part of my life, it will always hold a special place in my heart. Given the subject matter, Punpun may evoke strong personal feelings more than a lot of series ever could. The trip may be rough, but I think it's very much worth it.

  • @Arianita2001
    @Arianita2001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Every analysis you make is really good! I hope you continue to do this series, and I'll share it with my friends because you deserve more recognition 💛 ✨

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you very much, I appreciate that!

  • @CatsEverywhere33
    @CatsEverywhere33 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love your like anime essays!! Hope to see more!!! Really well done and i LOVED the one on the anime with the love triangle!

  • @abetternamethantusk3322
    @abetternamethantusk3322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    a new Lexa&! video, truly a blessing!

  • @Chicken-Cha-Chas
    @Chicken-Cha-Chas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was recommended this randomly and now I want to read the manga since it kinda resonates with me?

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you do end up checking it out, I hope you enjoy it!

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check it out the library, Amazon, maybe get a used copy. Be careful when you read this, manga can be extremely powerful

  • @Crybaby-Media
    @Crybaby-Media ปีที่แล้ว +11

    While Punpuns father made mistakes. I believe he truly had good intentions. A lot of times in divorce situations a woman will almost guaranteed gain custody, and be favoured by the courts. I believe Mr Punyama understood this and tried to distance himself . Any abuse allegations coming from a woman against a man, especially in domestic situations are immediately favourable to the mother .
    I don’t believe he acted selfishly , at least in his perspective. I believe he took the route of least resistance to providing punpun with a “normal” life .
    But I don’t fully blame mom either . I think the beauty of this story is that everyone’s motivations are fleshed out and understood.
    Neither parent acts like a good parent all the time, but no parent does. They are people with problems and who make mistakes .
    Mr punyama reminds me of my dad who passed this year .

    • @bluelan9393
      @bluelan9393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nah, he was neglectful too. Despite the circumstances of the separation, Pupun’s mother never stop the relationship between Punpun and his father, to the point that she wrote cards to make Punpun feel like his father was still thinking about him.
      Aside from the custody and the intervention of the mothers, there are a lot of fathers that stop engaging with their sons/daughters on their on valition, is almost a joke here in Latin America. In Japan is even worse
      Plus, he was a really weak man that value selfishness to get happiness, and that what he did. He was selfish when he left Punpun all of those years, was selfish when he let Punpun leave alone after losing his mother and being so young, was even worse when he didn’t make an effort to visit him in the city, call and check on him.
      There was as lot that as a father could do, but he didn’t. He failed Punpun too.

  • @krishpatel6420
    @krishpatel6420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing analysis!

  • @crimsonizhere
    @crimsonizhere ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should talk about Higurashi When They Cry!

  • @kylenickel871
    @kylenickel871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hell yea, another PunPun video 😁

  • @petarpatrnogic1811
    @petarpatrnogic1811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tnx for making this video your voice suit the best explaining punpun story

  • @eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw
    @eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These persona 3 OST tracks got my NOSTALGIA kicking bro! Best persona game? BEST PERSONA GAME! Persona x PunPun when Lexa? Thank u for the vid bro!

  • @chit00p
    @chit00p 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    only 26 comments??? this is one of the best i've seen.

  • @warrior-593
    @warrior-593 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video

  • @yochior
    @yochior 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what's the music that starts when you talk about the telescope ?

    • @lexaand
      @lexaand  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Aboveground Urban Area A from the Shin Megami Tensei IV OST

  • @massimotyxsu7657
    @massimotyxsu7657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    such a great video!

  • @shadisayegh4011
    @shadisayegh4011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    amazing analysis man, you should be getting way more views!

  • @-441-
    @-441- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2 minutes in and im almost in tears.

  • @coolrichkids
    @coolrichkids ปีที่แล้ว +1

    now this is oyasumi punpun

  • @blossom2764
    @blossom2764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is one of the best videos about punpun I've ever seen

  • @johndolo853
    @johndolo853 ปีที่แล้ว

    You gonna credit for haing the SH2 soundtrack?? Lmfao

  • @pinkpanter3732
    @pinkpanter3732 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why he's a bird

  • @jeremiahwalker3795
    @jeremiahwalker3795 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    20:02 who is that!?

  • @Random17Game
    @Random17Game 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Well if we are beeing completely fair, even in all crazyness and temper of her, even when she tries to do better having a child that doesn't even talk back basically ignoring her makes it impossible, PunPun could have tried a bit more in certain situations

    • @goodlife766
      @goodlife766 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      For what reason ? Her mom was litteraly about to kill Punpun with a knife.

    • @aloha516
      @aloha516 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@goodlife766 this doesn't really matter if punpun was not aware, no? You can hurt someone who harmed you in secret but if you never found out about it then youre just asbad

  • @daltoniospizza9175
    @daltoniospizza9175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "Welcome back, to goodnight puhn-puhn."
    ITS POON-POON.

  • @lovemachine5151
    @lovemachine5151 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It gets under my skin so much how you pronounce punpun. There's at least a reason for the "poon" version if you're familiar with American slang, which i gather asano was given the content and words he chooses

  • @Real_-ru6vc
    @Real_-ru6vc ปีที่แล้ว

    Real

  • @hm-hz7gn
    @hm-hz7gn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another Punpun video? Whatever.