Erik is looking for data for one gun. Jayden is looking for data for many guns. Erik needs his ammo to work in one gun. Jayden needs Hornady ammo to work in many guns.
Bravo Erik and Jayden! That episode was fire. Trading your experiences from very different perspectives and seeing how the results of said experiences converge on the same solution… There is meaning in that!
You guys have to do more of this stuff! Hornady is a powerhouse when to comes to precision bullets and ammo, As I am soon to be 70, shooting for 60 years, and with a stiffer neck that makes prone almost impossible, I am drifting into benchrest. I would love to see Hornady get into the benchrest world both short and long range. The 6 ARC platform is already there. All that's needed is wicked, superbly accurate short range and 600-yard bullets using the ARC platform with some wicked powder formulations for the shorter ranges in terms of 6 ARC capacity.
Enjoyed this. I am very similar to you both in upbringing except in Nv. But that I ended up getting wounded while in the army and had to relearn to shoot left handed. But always in the never ending quest to shoot better. Always knowing I’m the weak link but trying to bridge the gap with better equipment/loads making do with what my budget allows. You and I started F class the same time, after I got out of the Army in 07-08. But I went Service rifle to better understand how to use my left hand (first upper extremity amputee to earn a Distinguished Rifleman’s Badge). Working on precision pistol now to really learn trigger control. But long range is still where my heart lies. Would enjoy talking to you in person someday, Mr. Cortina.
Wonderful interview/conversation Erik! Really glad you brought him back! I found the 6 ARC conversation especially interesting since I recently put together one on a AR15 platform. Just wish you would have asked about putting out brass for us reloaders.
@@BelieveTheTarget Haven't seen one yet where I don't watch with eagerness from all the great information. Have you considered an interview with Ken from K&P cut rifled barrels? I understand he's been doing barrels since 1990 and was the guy for HS Precision for a long time
This was good 🤙 I would really appreciate seeing more content like this. It's very valuable to the rest of us, when guys who are in different disciplines but under the same umbrella; get together and talk like and with us regular guys, while having obvious respect for each other. 😎🤙Cool
Built a 6arc this year, loving it so far. Just got some starline brass. Finishing up load development with 75g vmax, 85g nosler partition, and 107g smk.
Hornady hit Gold in hiring Jayden. I'm listening to this twice to soak it all in. I bought into th 6ARC, and looking to acquire a 7mm PRC when Bergara offers the B14 HMR in that caliber.
Little late to the party here. Just my thought on the group shot count. I would consider Eric's 2,3,5 shot "groups" are just an extension of the groups shot previously with the same load. That might be over 10k rounds of reference. My thought is probably clear as mud..... Great info from both of you. Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
Great podcast! I learn a lot when the two of you are together. BTW, you can use the word "argue": it's simply an exchange of different or diverging views and ideas. It's when it turns into a verbal altercation that things head south. Keep up the good work.
From my earliest memories I can remember having a pump action pellet rifle and I would shoot pears off our pear tree in TX and wasps off the edge of our roof I dont know why but the wasps liked to chill on the shingles right on the edge of the roof and me and my childhood friend would snipe them right off the roof 😂
Fabulous podcast.They’re both on the same hymn sheet but an octave apart. Fascinating insight into their early backgrounds,both very similar, taking them forward to their respective pursuits, accuracy being one of them. I hope we get to learn the ten things or more that Eric no longer spends time on when reloading as he’s found and proved they’re not required for LR a accuracy etc.
52:16 so does this mean Hornady should have moved the 6mm Creedmoor shoulder back compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor? They are both at 1.4901” for both the 6CM and 6.5CM-correct?
At the 40 min mark Eric, you mention not seating the bullet until ready to use, Is that a good practice for guys like me, an average guy who reload for fun? I keep powder and primers in my room closet. But running out of space. Can I seat them tall and leave them in the garage? It does get hot in there. That's why I reload just enough to shoot for testing.
I grew up on a farm in South Africa. Bought my own 22LR at 16yrs. Fired thousands of rounds (ammo was cheap). With many big dams, it was great to see the impacts at longer ranges on the water and then adjust. I shot many geese and varmint animals. I would have loved to have a job that involves firearms but the hobby is satisfying the itch! Ps. I'm looking forward to getting a factory-built 7PRC once the rifles become more available here in South Africa.
Awesome info! I have learned loads of valuable info from both of you over the years. Thanks for doing these episodes and sharing. When I started a burning passion to reload and shoot longer ranges in a hunting environment, there was little to no good info like this from a trusted source.
I run 6 ARC in a 24" barrel gas gun for PRS. I absolutely love the cartridge. I run Varget with 108gr ELD-M's. Is it fast? No. Is it consistent? Absolutely. Going from a .308 gas gun to the 6 ARC gas gun was kind of life changing. Even though I'm switching to a 6 Dasher bolt gun next season I'll always have a ARC gas gun. (And am already thinking about having a ARC bolt gun built.)
Would it make sense to develop a unique powder along with a new cartridge? Like the 7PRC, etc. Obviously, supply would be limited unless different powder manufacturers supply the same spec powder.
The range of goods Hornady has to work with certainly dwarfs what even the heaviest gun collector has to work with.I dare say playing with new powder blends would be fun too. What can we use it in, how many cartridges could this perhaps cover, and how many reject batches they may find, then try to figure out if they can use it at all, somewhere else. That would make an interesting podcast, some insight into the world of powders. Many people just don't know squat about them in reality.
Erik, I would love to see a discussion on where component manufacturers, especially on the bullet side, differ in quality control. With modern tooling one would think everyone would be on par or close too. Thanks
I bet Jadenis from the San luis valley. If so what town I grew up their and hunted Prarie dog and coyote to prong and elk. Great Info. The 6.5 CM in an rpr changed my view on target shooting. I love my 308, been hand loading for years and would suggest it to anyone/everyone but im building my 1st action up bolt gun and I chose the 300wsm but after looking at having to building it in a LA then having to spec the chamber for the "heavies" then having go rem700 footprint for chassis availability... I ended up on 300prc. To some of the points in this video ( time money other resources) I chose the Hornady chambering. The same way I wanted for years to build a 7saum ill end up building a 7prc instead. I'd love to build the saum and wsm but I have limited funds and I consider myself lucky to even be able to build a rifle. Thanks to both Jaden and Erick for the info.
Great Interview with very interesting topics. Thank you Erik for make it possible. Suggestion: please could you try to make a Interview with Nick Laufenberg, he is a Long Range Shooter and the author of the Book: "The Precision Marksman: Foundations and Applications" Regards from Switzerland.
Jaiden if you designed the 7 prc from the ground up you completely ignored the 7 LRM brass Hornady was making for Gunwerks. Seems a little disingenuous? Btw I have a 7 prc and love it.
@@chadperry4021 they are going to quit making the LRM because the 7 prc duplicates it’s performance. Per Aaron Davidson. “Why keep making it when the 7prc is going to be a non wild cat. My point is Hornady was making the brass for Gunwerks 7LRM since 2012 which has the same performance as the 7 prc with the same parent cartridge yet Hornady made the 7 prc from scratch? I’m sure the didn’t look at the LRM at when they designed the prc They basically shortened it and pushed the shoulder back. Which was smart. But I think if they were being honest they’d say they improved the 7 LRM to make it a 3.34” cartridge. Same performance.
Instead of creating new caliber bullets, why not concetrate on providing for what you have already culminated? Case in point, 30 Thompson Center. Per email from Hornady Customer Svce. No current production plans for my 30TC. Seems to be all about the Money and the Masses...😢
Jayden makes an excellent point & explanation when discussing why Hornady designed the 6.5 Creedmoor. When Jayden speaks about the Creedmoor as being more efficient, he's definitely not exaggerating. I've been using GRT (Gordons Reloading Tool) for the last 4 years or so & found it to be remarkably accurate with load development & giving the hand loader a view of what's going on & the ability to choose powders, projectiles & etc & see how different cartridge powder projectile combinations work. When I compare the 6.5 Creedmoor to the 260 Rem, the Creedmoor is a great deal more efficient with a much wider variety of powder, projectile combinations.
Ofcourse you can run the same powders & projectiles but, the efficiency is considerably less. The 260 needs slow burning powders compared to the Creed which is not ideal. @@tonystewart7287
The evolution of the PRS cartridge I think is more of a result of gamers gaming vs innovation. No doubt the 6mm is a great performer within the envelope of the game but in the real world where terminal performance matters it’s not a 300 Norma right? I think more innovation came from chassis, tripods, and maybe technique vs cartridges
@@BelieveTheTarget like fielding 300 Norma as their primary antipersonnel round in their precision rifle? My point is competition world is good but it takes a big grain of salt. NRL hunter for example isn’t really played with hunting rifles, and if they were allowed people would be running PRS rifles.
@Believe the Target with the idea that define your goals? When an average shooter sits down with an average gun and doesn't see anything better than 1.5 moa but all the groups are right about 1.5 moa. do you throw it all away and assume rifle wont shoot? maybe its shooter issues? or maybe even bad equipment? how does the average guy sit down to get better when everything that went wrong.. may have been a pull, or a bad load, or flinch, or any number of other things. Can a guy figure this stuff out without sitting down with a known rifle and ammo with totally controlled conditions.. I guess Im trying to figure out how to figure out where to start without having to invest many thousands on camps and new custom guns etc etc etc.
If I discover over time that I'm a half minute shooter, then it doesn't make financial sense for me to spend the thousands it takes to get a quarter minute gun. And I think I'm dreaming of some day achieving half minute accuracy with anybody's gun. That doesn't keep it from being fun.
Accomplishing what you want the way you do it that makes you a protectionist. Acomplishing what you want doing it the way every body else says makes you a unpaid laborer. Not Accomplishing what you want the way everybody else says makes you less intelligent. Some would say dumb and not be wrong but then again it's there opinion not your nolledge that made you dumb. Stay smart if your winning and wait for them to get as smart.
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Erik is looking for data for one gun. Jayden is looking for data for many guns. Erik needs his ammo to work in one gun. Jayden needs Hornady ammo to work in many guns.
Bravo Erik and Jayden!
That episode was fire. Trading your experiences from very different perspectives and seeing how the results of said experiences converge on the same solution…
There is meaning in that!
Quinlan is one of my favorites. So knowledgable about all thinks shooting. A great guest Erik, thanks.
Thank you
You guys have to do more of this stuff! Hornady is a powerhouse when to comes to precision bullets and ammo,
As I am soon to be 70, shooting for 60 years, and with a stiffer neck that makes prone almost impossible, I am drifting into benchrest. I would love to see Hornady get into the benchrest world both short and long range. The 6 ARC platform is already there. All that's needed is wicked, superbly accurate short range and 600-yard bullets using the ARC platform with some wicked powder formulations for the shorter ranges in terms of 6 ARC capacity.
Thanks Erick! Great video
Great interview. In my opinion one of your best, keep em comming
Much appreciated
What a great interview! Love Jayden when he's on the Hornady Podcast. Hooah!
Thank you.
Enjoyed this. I am very similar to you both in upbringing except in Nv. But that I ended up getting wounded while in the army and had to relearn to shoot left handed. But always in the never ending quest to shoot better. Always knowing I’m the weak link but trying to bridge the gap with better equipment/loads making do with what my budget allows. You and I started F class the same time, after I got out of the Army in 07-08. But I went Service rifle to better understand how to use my left hand (first upper extremity amputee to earn a Distinguished Rifleman’s Badge). Working on precision pistol now to really learn trigger control. But long range is still where my heart lies. Would enjoy talking to you in person someday, Mr. Cortina.
Wonderful interview/conversation Erik! Really glad you brought him back! I found the 6 ARC conversation especially interesting since I recently put together one on a AR15 platform. Just wish you would have asked about putting out brass for us reloaders.
Starline is making 6arc brass! Had to backorder, but i got 250pcs a couple weeks back. Stay on the lookout for it. Youll get some.
That has been one of the most forgiving new cartridges to load for
Every now and then youtube makes a great recommendation. This is one of them
I can listen to Jayden all day - such a wealth of information
Thanks for coming back!! Alot more perspective this time!
You bet!
As always, excellent contribution. Thank you both for the intel
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BelieveTheTarget Haven't seen one yet where I don't watch with eagerness from all the great information. Have you considered an interview with Ken from K&P cut rifled barrels? I understand he's been doing barrels since 1990 and was the guy for HS Precision for a long time
Great stuff Eric, you and Hornady have done a lot for the shooting community.
This was good 🤙
I would really appreciate seeing more content like this. It's very valuable to the rest of us, when guys who are in different disciplines but under the same umbrella; get together and talk like and with us regular guys, while having obvious respect for each other. 😎🤙Cool
Thank you gentlemen. As always amazing work
Our pleasure!
Great interview
Built a 6arc this year, loving it so far. Just got some starline brass. Finishing up load development with 75g vmax, 85g nosler partition, and 107g smk.
Great video, I think this was the best explanation of the reasons Hornady has done things with their newer cartridges.
Glad you enjoyed it
I always enjoy hearing Jayden's philosophy/viewpoints. Keep up the good work.
Much appreciated!
Masterclass! Not only about shooting also life. Thanx guys for putting it out there🤙🏼
You’re welcome
Man, that video went by quick. Really enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Been waiting on this one!
Thank you.
Thanks for the teaching us all too.
My pleasure!
Keep ‘em centered and keep ‘em coming.
Thank you
Hornady hit Gold in hiring Jayden. I'm listening to this twice to soak it all in. I bought into th 6ARC, and looking to acquire a 7mm PRC when Bergara offers the B14 HMR in that caliber.
Same. Waiting on bergara
Little late to the party here.
Just my thought on the group shot count. I would consider Eric's 2,3,5 shot "groups" are just an extension of the groups shot previously with the same load. That might be over 10k rounds of reference.
My thought is probably clear as mud.....
Great info from both of you.
Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
Awesome interview. I was really interested in the 41:10 and on.
Loved this podcast Erik. Many thanks to Jaden for doing this.
Our pleasure!
I still own a Nikon Tactical 4-16x44 w MOA turrets and Mil dot reticle. It’s an extra scope now. But it still works as designed.
Similar to what I had.
Excellent interview! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome interview!
That was another great interview thanks for all you do and share greatly appreciate it
Glad you enjoyed it
Great podcast! Always good to here from Jayden
Thanks for listening
Great podcast! I learn a lot when the two of you are together. BTW, you can use the word "argue": it's simply an exchange of different or diverging views and ideas. It's when it turns into a verbal altercation that things head south. Keep up the good work.
Thanks you.
From my earliest memories I can remember having a pump action pellet rifle and I would shoot pears off our pear tree in TX and wasps off the edge of our roof I dont know why but the wasps liked to chill on the shingles right on the edge of the roof and me and my childhood friend would snipe them right off the roof 😂
A good question would be if Hornady is ever going to build a bullet to compete with the Berger 180 Hybrid ! Enjoyed the video !
Fabulous podcast.They’re both on the same hymn sheet but an octave apart. Fascinating insight into their early backgrounds,both very similar, taking them forward to their respective pursuits, accuracy being one of them. I hope we get to learn the ten things or more that Eric no longer spends time on when reloading as he’s found and proved they’re not required for LR a accuracy etc.
Thanks for listening
In 79 thru 84 cattlemen association here in Oklahoma paid 30.00 an ear for coyotes.
That’s a good deal!
Great podcast guys. Keep em coming.
Thanks!
Jayden, PLEASE HELP!!! Where can I find a ballistics chart for Wolf rifle ammo?
Jayden is Much Respected Too! 👍
I like how both look at things
52:16 so does this mean Hornady should have moved the 6mm Creedmoor shoulder back compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor? They are both at 1.4901” for both the 6CM and 6.5CM-correct?
Hornady has rendered nearly all bolt action rifle cartridges .243 - .358 obsolete.
Hey hunters - wake up.
Quinlan's Corner moved over here to your channel?👍
Thanks for coming
At the 40 min mark Eric, you mention not seating the bullet until ready to use, Is that a good practice for guys like me, an average guy who reload for fun? I keep powder and primers in my room closet. But running out of space. Can I seat them tall and leave them in the garage? It does get hot in there. That's why I reload just enough to shoot for testing.
I grew up on a farm in South Africa. Bought my own 22LR at 16yrs. Fired thousands of rounds (ammo was cheap). With many big dams, it was great to see the impacts at longer ranges on the water and then adjust. I shot many geese and varmint animals. I would have loved to have a job that involves firearms but the hobby is satisfying the itch! Ps. I'm looking forward to getting a factory-built 7PRC once the rifles become more available here in South Africa.
Awesome info! I have learned loads of valuable info from both of you over the years. Thanks for doing these episodes and sharing. When I started a burning passion to reload and shoot longer ranges in a hunting environment, there was little to no good info like this from a trusted source.
Thank you
I run 6 ARC in a 24" barrel gas gun for PRS. I absolutely love the cartridge. I run Varget with 108gr ELD-M's. Is it fast? No. Is it consistent? Absolutely. Going from a .308 gas gun to the 6 ARC gas gun was kind of life changing. Even though I'm switching to a 6 Dasher bolt gun next season I'll always have a ARC gas gun. (And am already thinking about having a ARC bolt gun built.)
Takes me 75 minutes EACH way to work. I live 30 miles from the office. So one hour to Walmart is no biggy.
Awesome show keep it up
Thanks! Will do!
Muy buena información… gracias.
🥳 Congratulations on the World Championship! 🥇🏆
Thank you
😜 Excellent! 👏👏👏
Would it make sense to develop a unique powder along with a new cartridge? Like the 7PRC, etc. Obviously, supply would be limited unless different powder manufacturers supply the same spec powder.
The range of goods Hornady has to work with certainly dwarfs what even the heaviest gun collector has to work with.I dare say playing with new powder blends would be fun too. What can we use it in, how many cartridges could this perhaps cover, and how many reject batches they may find, then try to figure out if they can use it at all, somewhere else. That would make an interesting podcast, some insight into the world of powders. Many people just don't know squat about them in reality.
I have a 6PPC and a 6.5 Grendel (bolt gun). Such great calibres! I would love a 6ARC in an AR or Bolt.
Thins a bad ass interview ❤
Thank you
Erik, I would love to see a discussion on where component manufacturers, especially on the bullet side, differ in quality control. With modern tooling one would think everyone would be on par or close too. Thanks
Fantastic gentlemen! I have gained so much from both of you. The trouble with this is? i know have a desire for two more rifles😎
Now
Right on!
I bet Jadenis from the San luis valley. If so what town
I grew up their and hunted Prarie dog and coyote to prong and elk. Great Info. The 6.5 CM in an rpr changed my view on target shooting. I love my 308, been hand loading for years and would suggest it to anyone/everyone but im building my 1st action up bolt gun and I chose the 300wsm but after looking at having to building it in a LA then having to spec the chamber for the "heavies" then having go rem700 footprint for chassis availability... I ended up on 300prc. To some of the points in this video ( time money other resources) I chose the Hornady chambering. The same way I wanted for years to build a 7saum ill end up building a 7prc instead. I'd love to build the saum and wsm but I have limited funds and I consider myself lucky to even be able to build a rifle. Thanks to both Jaden and Erick for the info.
Are these podcast available on other platforms? Audibly
Is there anyone else waiting for Tikka or Sako in 7mm Prc?
🤔
Very informative chat
Glad you liked it
Great Interview with very interesting topics.
Thank you Erik for make it possible.
Suggestion: please could you try to make a Interview with Nick Laufenberg, he is a Long Range Shooter and the author of the Book: "The Precision Marksman: Foundations and Applications"
Regards from Switzerland.
Jaiden if you designed the 7 prc from the ground up you completely ignored the 7 LRM brass Hornady was making for Gunwerks. Seems a little disingenuous? Btw I have a 7 prc and love it.
How was it his fault? Gunwerks designed the cartridge. That said it’s probably going to die being in between the prc and the 28 nosler.
@@chadperry4021 they are going to quit making the LRM because the 7 prc duplicates it’s performance. Per Aaron Davidson. “Why keep making it when the 7prc is going to be a non wild cat. My point is Hornady was making the brass for Gunwerks 7LRM since 2012 which has the same performance as the 7 prc with the same parent cartridge yet Hornady made the 7 prc from scratch? I’m sure the didn’t look at the LRM at when they designed the prc They basically shortened it and pushed the shoulder back. Which was smart. But I think if they were being honest they’d say they improved the 7 LRM to make it a 3.34” cartridge. Same performance.
So what’s your all round favorite/caliber round today ?
Never erik had a 264, that is cool. If you still have it, please show in a video sometime.
I don’t. Maybe I should build another one. 🤔
@@BelieveTheTarget supposedly, they turn into speed demons with 28 inch barrels.
What bullets did you test at your last match Jayden?
Very informative
Glad it was helpful!
I load a 7mm Rem Mag with a 195gn Berger loaded to 3.5” and it fits in mag and stabilizes and great velocity with a factory rifle
Instead of creating new caliber bullets, why not concetrate on providing for what you have already culminated? Case in point, 30 Thompson Center. Per email from Hornady Customer Svce. No current production plans for my 30TC. Seems to be all about the Money and the Masses...😢
Jayden makes an excellent point & explanation when discussing why Hornady designed the 6.5 Creedmoor. When Jayden speaks about the
Creedmoor as being more efficient, he's definitely not exaggerating. I've been using GRT (Gordons Reloading Tool) for the last 4 years or so & found it to be remarkably accurate with load development & giving the hand loader a view of what's going on & the ability to choose powders, projectiles & etc & see how different cartridge powder projectile combinations work.
When I compare the 6.5 Creedmoor to the 260 Rem, the Creedmoor is a great deal more efficient with a much wider variety of powder, projectile combinations.
Sako & Tikka 260 run a 1:8 twist same as creedmore, so you can run the same components and a little faster
Ofcourse you can run the same powders & projectiles but, the efficiency is considerably less.
The 260 needs slow burning powders compared to the Creed which is not ideal. @@tonystewart7287
The evolution of the PRS cartridge I think is more of a result of gamers gaming vs innovation. No doubt the 6mm is a great performer within the envelope of the game but in the real world where terminal performance matters it’s not a 300 Norma right? I think more innovation came from chassis, tripods, and maybe technique vs cartridges
You don't need a 300 Norma for everything. Precisely why the military is doing what they are doing with the smaller cartridges.
@@BelieveTheTarget like fielding 300 Norma as their primary antipersonnel round in their precision rifle?
My point is competition world is good but it takes a big grain of salt. NRL hunter for example isn’t really played with hunting rifles, and if they were allowed people would be running PRS rifles.
how bout Hart rifle barrels for a episode
Best 6.5 barrel I had was a Hart barrel
Cool
👍👍
@Believe the Target with the idea that define your goals? When an average shooter sits down with an average gun and doesn't see anything better than 1.5 moa but all the groups are right about 1.5 moa. do you throw it all away and assume rifle wont shoot? maybe its shooter issues? or maybe even bad equipment? how does the average guy sit down to get better when everything that went wrong.. may have been a pull, or a bad load, or flinch, or any number of other things. Can a guy figure this stuff out without sitting down with a known rifle and ammo with totally controlled conditions.. I guess Im trying to figure out how to figure out where to start without having to invest many thousands on camps and new custom guns etc etc etc.
Find a good shooter to shoot your rifle.
338 PRC next? 300 Norma improved LOL
Doesn’t Erik always make fun of the 6.5 CM…. Referring to it as the need more, all the time?
Yes, yes I do! 😜
Make some 8mm bullets
Get some.
That wall mural is on point.
6 mm prc
If I discover over time that I'm a half minute shooter, then it doesn't make financial sense for me to spend the thousands it takes to get a quarter minute gun. And I think I'm dreaming of some day achieving half minute accuracy with anybody's gun. That doesn't keep it from being fun.
Accomplishing what you want the way you do it that makes you a protectionist. Acomplishing what you want doing it the way every body else says makes you a unpaid laborer. Not Accomplishing what you want the way everybody else says makes you less intelligent. Some would say dumb and not be wrong but then again it's there opinion not your nolledge that made you dumb. Stay smart if your winning and wait for them to get as smart.
this is a huge disappointment... Because this story is possibly 5% or less true. I really wanted to..forget it..
Gentlemen, this brings me to my next point. Don’t smoke crack.
😂
Hornady. ...dude. your 6 arc is a joke. We can't trust your crappy data....
Erik has 9 steps to his reloading.
Great interview
Thank you