Would someone please explain the rationale behind an Iaido competition... a demonstration I can understand but how can one "compete" against another person in Iaido?
@Proton1 May I ask if you were referring to his second kata? That looks like Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu Tatehiza-no-bu, "Takiotoshi" As for the Tokyo representative, his second kata also appears to be from Muso Jikiden Eishi Ryu and it should be "Urokogaeshi" As there are variations from this school, there could be some differences in the interpretation. Even similar technique from other schools of Koryu-Iai, making higher dan more difficult to judge. However, I do agree, they have both done very well.
Proton1 i guess i should retract my comment then. no matter how good and smooth he was,if the kata is not right its not good. i was only judging on the seitei content as that is all i know
Guys.... maybe you would want to ignore the smoothness and look more closely at the actual cuts. Brier's cut (hanami/hasuji) are off. His right hand takes over in the kirisuke just before datotsubo.... meaning not effective cutting... The takeotoshi timing is perfectly fine as the rial is sound... you are looking at cosmetics and not function.
On 2018, the IAIDO SCANDAL came up.. there is bu$$ine$$ favoring the judges. It is known some judges do accept money. It is unfortunate and shameful. You know now WHY the guy on the right or on the Red zone was not chosen despite being superior to the other chinese guy who lacked enough inner kiai and style.
Do you mean the "chinese" YOSHIDA Masumi (Tokyo) - as written in the description. That scandal was about awarding high level grades, not competition, as far as I know. Do you have evidence of bribery on this occasion, by these particular judges? If not shut your orifices.
they both there preaty good.
It seems the white participant had appropriate timing. For me, that was the obvious decision. They both were superb with no obvious errors.
Exact opposite to me. White was way too rushed in places where pauses should be. Lacked zanshin
Holy crap! They are so well balanced with the sword. I fail when I try the second kata.
お二人とも素晴らしい演武でした。
こういうのは審査員の好みの問題でもありますが、僕は僅差で「赤」の方でしたね。
重厚感、力強さを「赤」の方に感じましたし、鋭さは「白」の方に感んじました。
ただ一つ「赤」の方の納刀に「ああ、これはマイナスに見られてるかも」と感じたくらいです。
19代の納刀なので古流的には全く問題ありませんが剣道連盟なら「×」とされると思います。
お名前でなく敢えて「赤の方」「白の方」と表記しましたことをお詫びいたします。
素晴らしい演武ですね
すみませんコメントで気になってしまったのですが、この赤の方の縦納刀、全剣連的にはNGなのでしょうか？鞘へ持っていく軌道的な事でしょうか？
この様な場で質問してしまい申し訳御座いません（汗）私も似たような軌道の納刀だったので(こんなに上手くはないですが…)心配になってしまいました
そんなん、心配しなくてもいいですよ（笑）
見てる方の主観の問題の部分なので、他人がとやかく言うことないんですけどね＾＾；
僕が感じたのは、血振るいの時赤の方は左手を帯に添わさず鞘に持って行ってますが英信流的には帯に沿わすとあります。
また、納刀の時の軌道が特に剣道連盟居合ではNGとされています。
古流では、特に18代,19代の時代あたりは切っ先を回す、いわゆる回し納刀の先生方は多くいられたと思います。僕も多くの場面で切っ先を上げる納刀です。ただ、現役中の試合時にはちゃんと二の字納刀にしていました（笑い）
本題に戻って、血振るいから納刀まで白の方は終始同じ形ですが白の方は古流では鞘に手がいき制定では帯に添わしてて、また納刀も一定じゃなかったので単に「悪い癖」と捉えられたと思います。
@@高山満-u5q 勉強になりました、二の字納刀とは横納刀の様に横から鞘に付ける軌道で縦納刀する方法でしょうか？
確かに同じ英信流でも切先を上げる軌道と横から持ってくる納刀の二通りの方が居ることが不思議でした。
@@武-e7q 各所作は文章では表現が難しいのでどこまで伝わるか心配ですが＾＾；
二の字納刀（回し納刀、二の字納刀という呼び方は便宜上誰かが言った言葉で、正式の名称ではないです）は、横から鞘につけてしまうとバチンッて感じですよね？そうではなく、切っ先が水平より高くならないように手元で刃を上に向けて背後を突く感じに手首ー肘ラインと刀身が平行になった後に柄を前に戻して納刀していく様な。。。
もう一方の回し納刀と呼んでいるのは切っ先が上むいちゃいます。その代わり円運動でスムーズに一連の動作で血振るいから納刀まで出来るので、特に奥居合では有効と思います。
腰の引きと戻し（鞘引き）だけで右手を大きく動かさずにシゴくのと柄元3寸まで鞘の音も出さずに収められます。
と、僕は考えています。あくまで一個人の考えなのでご参考までに。てか、こんな所で議論するべきではないですよね＾＾；
KendoWorld様、場所借りちゃいました。また、他の皆さまも不快な気分にさせてしまったらごめんなさい。
@@高山満-u5q 詳しいご説明ありがとうございました。同じ縦納刀でも色々有るのですね！
私こそこちらで色々聞いてしまい申し訳ございませんでした。
Кто-нибудь, объясните, по каким конкретно критериям выиграл участник в белом квадрате?!
May i ask what are that katas? I only have 3 months doing Kendo, and i only know the seitei katas
misoku01
Both of them are belong Old-style dojo.
Mr.Yoshida (white) belongs to Shinden-style(夢想神伝流).
Mr.Brier belongs to Eishin-style(無双直伝英信流).
1
white…Syoha-tou(初発刀)【old style】
red...Mae(前) 【old style】
2
white...Seityu-tou(勢中刀) 【old style】
red...Taki-otoshi(瀧落) 【old style】
3
Tuka-ate(柄当) 【seitei】
4
Morote-duki(諸手突) 【seitei】
5
Sihou-giri(四方切) 【seitei】
@@揚げ浸し-y1c the first two katas are free choice Koryu. Yoshida did Shohatto and Seichuto (Shinden), Brier did Mae and Takiotoshi (Jikiden)
At 3:44 is that actually the chiburi i hear, or is that the sound of the other guys :p
that's Brier's kirioroshi
Would someone please explain the rationale behind an Iaido competition... a demonstration I can understand but how can one "compete" against another person in Iaido?
The best execution wins. Timing, cutting edge alignment, movement flow, attitude and protocol are all taken into account.
The same way there are karate kata competitions.
Well, I don't like the decision.
Konniciwa🙏
I call wang, red was better.
吉田スゲ
what a crock,the gur on the right (red)was far superior and smoother.
maybe a bit of judge sucking going on here
@Proton1
May I ask if you were referring to his second kata?
That looks like Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu Tatehiza-no-bu, "Takiotoshi"
As for the Tokyo representative, his second kata also appears to be from Muso Jikiden Eishi Ryu and it should be "Urokogaeshi"
As there are variations from this school, there could be some differences in the interpretation. Even similar technique from other schools of Koryu-Iai, making higher dan more difficult to judge.
However, I do agree, they have both done very well.
Proton1 i guess i should retract my comment then.
no matter how good and smooth he was,if the kata is not right its not good.
i was only judging on the seitei content as that is all i know
Proton1
the frog in the well knows nothing of the great ocean
wwb we are not frogs,we are nit in a well,and i am surrounded by the ocean and the sea
Guys.... maybe you would want to ignore the smoothness and look more closely at the actual cuts. Brier's cut (hanami/hasuji) are off. His right hand takes over in the kirisuke just before datotsubo.... meaning not effective cutting...
The takeotoshi timing is perfectly fine as the rial is sound... you are looking at cosmetics and not function.
On 2018, the IAIDO SCANDAL came up.. there is bu$$ine$$ favoring the judges. It is known some judges do accept money. It is unfortunate and shameful. You know now WHY the guy on the right or on the Red zone was not chosen despite being superior to the other chinese guy who lacked enough inner kiai and style.
Do you mean the "chinese" YOSHIDA Masumi (Tokyo) - as written in the description.
That scandal was about awarding high level grades, not competition, as far as I know.
Do you have evidence of bribery on this occasion, by these particular judges?
If not shut your orifices.
こんなんで人切れるのか？寝起きでも避けれるべ
愚挙
Proton1: There's a big difference between being bitter and being right, between choreographic ritualized novelties, and sound Iaido!