Deeds not Words: The History of Modern Jousting
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- No longer relegated to the past, discover the history of the modern joust in this lecture, originally made for a Russian conference, by arms and armour curator Tobias Capwell.
Around 20:00 there is a reset, and if you fast forward to ~37:00 you'll continue.
you are my hero
Wille k thank you! i was confused 😂
Thank you very much, Wille k!
Thats a teamplayer right here, ladies and gentlemen!
Thanks for that!
Wille k this is happening on quite a few TH-cam videos and channels? Very weird.
Dr. Capwell, that black armour of yours is gorgeous as well as majestic. I'm absolutely stunned by it's beauty.
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The Black Knight always wins!
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Story time with Toby. Excellent.
Toby tearing up really gets to me every time
Very sad to hear that John Waller is no longer with us, a true pioneer in every sense of the word.
Incredible video I could learn about this forever and never get bored. Wish I was rich I would train and never look back.
Fantastic talk. I was directer here from a Tod Cutler video & very glad I stayed. The last joust I saw was as a child in the early 80's (one year younger than you Tobias), probably at Bodiam Castle which is just down the road. Very interesting to see how its progressed down the years, I'll try to make time to take a trip up to London to see the Wallace Collection this year!
In Sydney in 1971, John and Peter Harris started the Ancient and Medieval Martial Arts Society. They did 13th century full contact jousting through the 1970s.
We started back then in Tucson, Arizona. All of us were rancher kids.
This is a wonderful video. As a 48 year old, have been obsessed with medieval armour and warfare since I was a child when I first saw John Bormans Excalibur, numerous books and so on. I always wanted to Joust. The closest I got was Viking reenactment and living history where I had the absolute honor of participating in the 2016 Hastings festival as a saxon, where incidentally, my group were the last ones standing on both days, which I thought was bloody awesome hahaha. Unfortunately, here in Ireland, the closest thing we have as far as I know is a battle of nations style group. Some of the guys I fought with went on to do the Wolin style Viking combat. Still to this day I want to see a proper joust, or even better take part hahaha
Great lecture by a great guy!
The ending bit is very powerful, i think. About the thousands and thousands every year now having the opportunity to see authentic skills in practice before their eyes, from so many years ago...
edit: I´m so grateful to dr. capwell and those others like him who give the opportunity for people like me to see all these things for comparably affordable prices.
Real history for non-scholarly folks like me at a rate we are actually able and willing to pay.
I had no idea that medieval reenactment had reached such a historic level . I learned a lot from this lecture. Thank you Tobias and I'll look for your books.
omg. at minute 18, 5 year old Toby is playing with the same toy castle I cut my original medieval fantasies with at 5 (3 years later). now *that's* a blast from the past.
I'm impressed Tobias has held his American accent so unwaveringly despite a career in England. Not even a hint of British.
Crap man, his well wishing at the end got me :'(
1:01:43 - Long haired Toby in full plate, posing for the cover of metal album. Awesome vid btw.
I was there at Vleuten and saw that fall you mentioned at 59:00 . We were worried for you but you rolled up with style and good humor. And then the discussion about vamplates--wow, yeah. Talk about "It's right there. See it?" Not so obvious when the approach is developmental perhaps. Glad your hand wasn't hurt worse.
Why thank you Toby ,Dimitri from Belgium thanks you sir for your great passion for this wonderful subject.
I was a squire for the joust for several years in the 1980s at the KC Ren Fair. I got the opportunity to both help dress the knights, handle the horses, and of course assist in the joust. I additionally did many years doing live steel weapons demos at several Ren Fairs throughout the mid west. I also had a small acting troupe and one of my member went on to be a traveling jouster in the 90s. Back then the gorgets were sub par. Some had a V shaped lip about an inch high to help deflect lance blows away from the head. However Lance (yes that was his real name) took a lance that bounced off the gorget and up between his bevor and visor, into his face blowing him off the horse and almost killing him. He lost an eye in the process. After that very large gorgets were added to the chest plate started to appear along with shields. I thought that would be an interesting addition to this lecture.
I also got talked into jousting once and even though I grew up with horses, put on the full armor, the lances were balsawood, we were using Belgian horses. While they appear slow and lumbering, they are massive and jousting was one of the most terrifying things I ever did. I ended up sticking with doing live steel weapons demos, fencing, and stunt fighting for a few more years. Mad respect for those that kept on doing it and are keeping it alive.
Dear Wallace and Toby, thank you for being considerate of the camera battery-reliant part of your audience.
Only saw this video recently.. Many thanks to you, it is an awesome video.
BTW... as a Steeler fan.. I LOVE that armor. Gorgeous. 😍
Absolutely fascinating. Thanks you Dr Capwell.
I cant believe you got the words fuck and shit into this channel. Its beautiful
lol just saw it and immediately checked the comments
Maryland has a very long history of jousting. In fact, it was named the state sport in 1962. There has been a jousting community in one form or another in Md since 1634. I remember watching jousting at the renaissance festival in Columbia in 1977.
This needs more up votes. It appears jousting in Maryland may literally go back to the ancient tradition. msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/01glance/html/symbols/sport.html
Ring tournaments, not quite jousting
That is correct. Maryland has always been 'romantic' in this way. Same goes for many southern communities including the one I grew up in.
no mention of Max Diamond and The Jousting Federation Of Great Britain. who for many years ran from Chilham Castle just outside of Canterbury in Kent.we did public displays with falconry archery and henry v111 quite a show !
Thanks for posting this video, an absolutely fascinating story that deserves to be shared with a much wider audience... if ever there was an argument for the value of experimental archaeology & living history recreations (by academics & enthusiasts alike) this is it 👌
The story just does not attract an audience , otherwise it is shared to an audience of a couple of billion people here ( the people who have access to youtube). What wider audience do you envision ?
Wow.. I have never been into jousting as I prefer foot combat but wow... You make me want to joust. 19 years of age and now a new aspiration in life.
Harnischfechten < Bloßfechten < Rossfechten. :D
And lancing around is awesome too!
Everything is more awesome mounted on a horse! :)
It's fascinating how when I was growing up the idea had always been that plate armour was basically the tank of its time with all the problems of weight and cumbersome that it brings. It's cool that so much is being learned about it nowdays.
I love that the choreographer of my favorite comedy movie was so instrumental in starting HEMA/Historical Recreation as a hobby and a sport.
Hi Toby, Janis and Dean here, we were the photographers for the jousts for some time at Leeds, we still have hundreds of the original images.
Hi Tobias, I'm glad someone has finally acknowledged the complete historical accuracy of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Actually, you remind me of Terry Gilliam.
I was led to believe Sir Walter Scott's novel Ivanhoe written I believe in 1819, was one of the catalysts which set off the Victorian-Gothic-Medievalist obsession.
By the way, the Wallace Collection is my favorite museum in London, thank you for all your amazing work.
This is fascinating. It's like the meeting of historical research, athletics, and engineering.
This is great, thanks for uploading it!
lol at 1:22:38 I laughed, thinking it was funny how you'd pasted in the row of onlookers from an old manuscript, similar to the top image at 1:07:32 ...then realized that was part of the photo! It's interesting how the dodgy perspective in the medieval art has an effect quite similar to the flattened perspective of a long-lens distance photo. Suddenly the old illustrations feel much realer to me.
Absolutely amazing thank you.
I really liked the music and dancing in a Nights tale,..,.... ha ha ha ha ha. It had a great story line.
interesting that even with the historical examples you still had to relearn some of the reasons why things were done in a certain way originally and even recreate the learning progression of the originals..... :-)
Yup yup
AAIt's really just like any thing people do that other people have done before.. until they do it themselves they don't understand what they're seeing. (A la joe bloggs commenting on public health & international commerce, gender studies grads commenting on broad human history & politics, etc =))
10:58 The show was already running for decenia, but there and then (1978) they apparently created modern jousting
its interesting how similar this was to how the sca and related ground tournament societies started
Yes, the SCA started back then. I used to do business inside the SCA until we had to do legal things about problems inside the SCA. When the East Kingdom let a man become 'King' AFTER HE KILLED HIS WIFE...shot her dead 'accidentally'...I became the champion for her memory and challenged him but the Board of Directors didn't want a true Medieval fight...it was horrible. I told the Board, they could not elevate a domestic killer. The story was, he was 'cleaning his gun' and forgot the cardinal rule about emptying the chamber when removing the bullets so he playfully (I think not) pulled the trigger, killing his poor wife.
Excellent thank you
You wearing the schaffron had me dying of laughter
Toby was running on pure adrenaline and guts . Later he was TOLD he got hurt. He is not your average academic, no , he is much more and the understanding of history is better for it.
Wonderful!
Joust the thing. This is something that ordinary re-enactment companies will be able to do for public display. This is something that I would have liked to do when I was younger. It's a little late in the day for me to start now.
Great talk man
So interesting!
lovely!
Swords, not words !!!
Thank you Minsc.
Im curious, since there are groups doing jousting in our day, are there any chariot races?
at 16:35 the knight on the left of the right photo looks like the inspiration for the Scholagladiatoria logo lol
at 20:20 the video starts again from the beginning
Less talking, more raiding!
A truly amazing line of research. However all of this accomplishes an understanding of tournament jousting. I wonder if there is more to learn exploring combat jousting. Maybe elevated bags of sand would be suitable targets. How would someone deal with an impaled target and the lance has not broken? Perhaps it is swung 180° for extraction or simply dropped. Would a vamplate cause any problems with this or would it be welcome protection in war? Cases for 2-handed use and how do formations dictate lance technique? What type of shield is best, if any at all? What was the typical impact of shock cavalry actually like? I don't know if there can be a safe way to find out the last one, it would probably be all kinds of chaos, but it would be the ultimate aim of study.
''swung 180° for extraction''
I had heard (but in passing, and I haven't ever located the primary source, so take it with a pinch of salt) that this was how 19th century lancers were trained. If the trooper hit his enemy while still moving, he was supposed to let the point drop behind him and then pull it out with his own momentum.
Pig-sticking might be something else to look into, as not only does it involve stabbing a body with a lance, but it was a favourite sport of the same officers who would be using lances in war, and training others.
My goodness, we started doing the medieval stuff way back in the 1960's. I owned horses when I was a teenager and we began making armor, etc. By age 30, we all were able to work metals to the point of having REAL armor and by 1985, I broke my arm fighting men in armor (I am a girl) and we used to create huge battles with hundreds of people in the SCA, for example. The first Medieval Times eat and watch knights when it began, the people in it were friends of mine. We did both on horse and on foot fighting for fun for years and years. I am 72 years old now and still have all my armor, etc. but don't fight anymore. Rats.
In Tucson in 1966, we called ourselves 'the Tolkien Society'.
Because we made EVERYTHING from scratch, this led to me, a female, learning to build stuff and do metal work so when I left school and had a baby, I went to NYC to make money building stuff but on weekends, would go to Prospect Park to fight medieval war stuff. We used to amuse ourselves by flushing out muggers from the hinterland parts of that very large park! Tons of fun!!!
My old farm horse, Sockie, was great for play battles back then, long ago. He was very friendly but quite rotund and could knock over stuff easily.
@@emsnewssupkis6453 Wow impressive! Thank you for sharing, I love that there is no reason why there weren't also many badass women fighters though-out history, who made their amor themselves must be rare!
“Facta non Verba.” The latin motto of RAF 20 Sqn. Avionics Tech. for eight years on the Harrier OCU.
Have any horses been injured during modern jousts?
I'm fascinated by the history of modern jousting, and experimental "archaeology" to uncover much of what books miss... But I do frown when a horses life might be in danger during these tournaments.
Can we get a Capwell Comeback?
It would be very interesting to track the timeline of American jousting development and compare it to this. Even the theatrical productions. I know the purists scorn the "theatrical", but there is a great deal to learn from both.
There was a performer at the PA ren fair who put together a video production which developed the theme of American Rennaissance Festivals as an envolution of Vaudeville. The two oldest joust troops (Hanlon Lees Action Theater and The New RIder of the Golden Age) both started out as Western mounted gun fight performers with some Roman Riders thrown in and began doing Ren Fairs as their popularity grew in the 70's. Both started out using the same dismount for unhorsing they did when they were shot but NRGA eventually started using plate armor and "real" hits before dismounting and finishing the show with a staged ground fight. This evolved into what we in the US call heavy armor jousting. Someone out west started using a big shield with the barrel helms and costume armor from the stage shows (like Medieval Times) and that evolved into competitve light armour jousting. In the 90's the balsa tip style of jousting came the US from Austrailia/NZ. You can find many variations of all three styles if you visit different ren fairs and similar themes events around North America but as far as I know no one has done a steel coronel joust here in the US. Its bucket list item for me but I'm a couple years older than Toby and my gear is not yet up to the task.
@@mdjouster Thanks!
Do you recall the name of the performer? I've performed jousting shows at the PA Ren Fair since 2012, so I'd be love to see the video!
I had the pleasure of jousting with Richard Alverez, one of the original members of the Hanlon Lees. He also produced a documentary called American Jouster.
Lances are like pasta. Breaking in 2 places. Interestingly thwy also added pasta to the balsa lances in a knights tale.
I would love to talk to you since I was Jousting back in the late 70s and early 80s and have a lot of information about and old tournament that ended in 82 and about armourers in Europe back then, I had an armour that I had made, that looked very much like your black armour.
This happened everywhere. Out West in the US (in my case, Arizona) we had lots of people who did things on horseback plus lots of land to have Desert Wars. Back in the 1950's, we kids had 'Desert Wars' which were rather violent, I and another kid ended up in the hospital fighting with the weapons we kids made in the medieval style. Heh. Happened to me as an adult, fighting in armor, broke my arm encased in steel, no less. That was in 1985.
Beaver is pronounced Bee-vour not Bevver .
Hey , that dude wearing the headlight 3rd from the right, his sword is almost as big as him! How the heck did he even swing that thing?
Deeds not Words is the Battalion motto for 2nd Battalion 22nd Infantry Regiment US Army.
At the start I thought he would say "Hallo this is scholagladiatoria"
13:20 But that's where you wrong, it would even rhyme - "Amazing raisin" = "Изумительный изюм" )
Should be an Olympic Event...I might actually watch the Olympics then
20:40 wtf is that cut???
I know that was really weird
I must say I would love to joust. I am allergic (not deadly) to horses... I really want to get around this as I love horses and jousting
Give your horse a complete, full body shave, problem solved!
I wonder how long it would take to breed and train another, hypoallergenic animal, to be joust-ready, It may be that if we start now, your hypothetical grand children could joust without any fear of allergies on their Tummywubs Stable Bison
So the Aussies were the crazy bastards that started using real lances. Why am I not surprised? ;)
Something to do with previous lives .
its pronounced 'Med-EE-Evil' not 'Med-evil'
Yup, Med-i-e-val. FOUR syllables.
This has got to be the most stupid thing you can do, someone once said that its knocking someone else off a hourse with a stick, well that stick can kill you, and did on lots of occasions by skipping up the catch plate straight under the chin, its no ordinary bit of wood either, usually ash which is why you see it split all over the place on a contact.
However, one has to say that for the day, they did have some very hard and fast rules.
It nearly killed King Henry VIII who never fought any battles unlike previous Kings. He was pretty brain damaged, afterwards and went on to kill wives.
Hey, Nigels,
Test your armor against Toledo Steel. What benefits against halberdsman with better Armour and tested Spanish daggers? New Exhibit. "REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T INVADE SPAIN, WHEN WE EXAULT IN WHY THEY FAILED TO GOBBLE US UP?
man the end is even more painful to listen to during the current war. wonder how many russians will never joust again...