It makes me remember the 4800plus that died on me completely clogged. With 1000€ worth of ink... I was "young" and stupid, I really didn't needed such a printer for my usage. Maybe the seller had to be blamed to for advising me this model. I had left this printer unused for months... I've learned the lesson the hard way that a printer has to be used. About 15 years later, I'm about to buy an A2+ printer again... but now, I'm prepared ;)
Not click bait at all - this is great advice. This is SO important. I do nozzle checks if I haven't used my printer in 5 days. My art print business was much slower 3 years ago and I ruined my P7000 by leaving it for weeks without printing. My brother sells these large format printers and he got me a good deal on a new Epson P7570 and down-time nozzle checks was the best advice he's ever given me. I've had this P7570 for about 3 years now (probably 3000 prints) and during my slower times, I run nozzle checks and they are pristine. The only time it's ever been idle for more than 6 days were due to family vacations.
Thanks for this tip, it simple and easy thing to do. Just to followup on one point you made, though. You're right,; if you had one bad product from a company years ago, it's self-defeating to hold it against them forever. However, what I DO have a very long memory for is a company's response to problems. If they behaved reasonably, and did their best to resolve the issue, I remember that. On the other hand, if they just give a middle finger salute, as a lot of companies do these days, I will remember it forever. And I will do my best to warn others.
Hi Keith, As a Frenchman, I am delighted to be able to understand your explanations thanks to your expression in academic English. your channel is very fascinating 🎉
You're right, Jean-Luc. I finished watching this video with the same amount of hair as when I started! Doesn't often happen .... usually I have pulled out half of my remaining strands when I hear the absolute butchery of the English language that so many presenters perform. It's great that you acknowledged it, since English is not your first language. ( BTW, I have great respect for people who are fluent in more than one language. It was never a talent I mastered.)
I print off a 6x4" postcard print every day or so. (1) It keeps the nozzles clear (2) I get a lovely album of postcard prints. (Canon G5050 "Megatank" ... not the World's best photo printer, but virtually free to use.).
Haven't printed for three, maybe four-ish weeks. Usually I just run a small credit card sized crop on a full sheet of paper. Decided to run this nozzle check this morning instead. Turned out fine. This is way easier to tell than inspecting my crops under loupe for any missprays or white dots.
Thank you Keith for the excellent advice. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! Just ran a nozzle check (all OK), and have added a reminder to my calendar to repeat every two weeks.
As always, Keith, you give excellent advice! The best part about this video was what you said about letting the printer sit. During the pandemic, our printers sat for many many months without use. Some of them would be fine and some of them wouldn’t maybe even after a couple of weeks.then you would come back the next day and they’d be fine. Thanks again, Keith. You are such a great resource!
Good advise, especially if you are not printing regularly. I think once a week or every couple weeks, but also, if you haven't used your printer in a couple of weeks it would be a good idea to run a nozzle check before you make a print.
This is great advice. I'm not using my Epson P600 a lot these days, and I run the test it a few minutes ago and discover that I had two nozzles completely blocked.
I have had an Epson R2400 since 2007, and I haven't done this yonks lol, have printed some photos of late and no problems, one thing I have never printed borderless which has kept the 'inners' clean. But now I will run a maintenance check!
Thanks Keith. I shudder when I see advice in various Facebook pages about power cleaning and to print full pages of different colours to try to clear blockages. I try to print a photo every week and/or nozzle check on my P900. I usually print a monthly combined nozzle check, configuration status sheet, usage history sheet and supply status sheet ( on 2 A4 plain paper sheets) to keep a record of the printer. Last check showed - First print 18/11/2021 -A4 equivalent prints 12530 or 2349 A2 equivalents.
Thanks - I do try and mix the basic but important stuff with more advanced coverage, just because it covers the range of my photo interests and what I do for a living.
Great tip! I’ve been watching your videos, as they are very informative. I’m thinking about buying a photo printer, and I’m doing research beforehand. Thanks for the great advice!
Hi Keith , very informative video ( as usual ) . I fully understand the need to give your printer something to do quite often ( as I do ) , but just wanted to share my lucky printer purchase story . I understood the risks of buying a used printer but I went in feet first and picked up a 3 year old Canon Pro-1000 that had been in a loft for over 2 years since the inks ran out . When I switched it on at home it did show every cart empty ( as expected ) . Like a crazy man I'd pre-ordered a complete set of Canon inks and went ahead installing . My next move was to run a nozzle check and to my huge relief all was perfect and its continued to print great images . This isn't in any way an advert for this brand I just thought it showed how very clever printer tech has developed .
Great advice. I have 2 printers and just drag and drop my nozzle check reminder 3 days. Some folks recommend a print but it might not exercise every nozzle. Have a 10 year old 3880 that will develop a clog beyond that in the cyan channel after I let it sit a year unused. I just do a check on the 5 yr old p7000 at the same time. If a second nozzle check hasn't cleared it after waiting a few minutes, rather than doing a head cleaning on all the inks, Qimage 1 that I use for page setup, printing and remembering settings, allows me to only do a half or full page cleaning of the color with the clog. And yes, I cut my paper on a rototrim. I also try to print on each printer at least once a month.
Hi Keith, I have been an Epson user for many years now, from basic A4 with 3+1 colour upto my current 3880 (purchased as a refurb some years ago), I have a 1300 and 1400 sitting Idle after giving up with blocked nozzles (using a continuous ink system), the trouble was with Magenta and Light Magenta. The 1500 was with a service agent for two weeks who returned it saying they could not find the fault, no charge. Doing some research I discovered whatever brand of ink (if a Dye Ink) this was a known issue if not used often enough, those two colours would go thixotropic and slightly gelatinous, so I think it has to be something to do with the dye chemistry. Larger Epson's use Pigment Ink and the cartridges have a slightly pressurised system which shuts off when printing has ceased, thereby causing a minuscule release of pressure drawing ink back from the nozzles.
Suggestion for another video. How often should I check the print head alignment? I haven't done one for over a year on my ET-8500, but decided to check it today, and most of the alignments we off. Some of them significantly. Thank you for these great videos.....Brian
Thanks, Keith. This is great advice. I leave the printer on, which saves a lot of ink. As you should keep the nozzles wet, you should print frequently -- like weekly -- using every cartridge or tank. It saves you ink to print a (small) photo every week. I do a nozzle check once in a while, or if I forgot to print. I also print a small version before printing it big.
Thanks. Yeah, I don't do borderless print. Can't wait to get the Epson P900 in a couple of month or so. When I had the P800, I would be able to get away without printing for a couple of months without issues. I do a quick nozzle check before making a print. Always amazed that when the printer runs out of ink in one color, just swap it out and continue. Can't see where it stopped.
I have a canon pro 1000 and use Qimage and is set to print a test print once a day, works a charm and doesn’t waste an awful lot of ink. I do this as it’s a pro level printer and they are made to be used
Thanks again. This is one thing I was good at. Sadly a now ancient HP8620 has said print head error failure. For ''legal type'' docs incl. of diagrams (colour needed) it's done very well for 9 years, and no clue how many pages.......I can't complain. I would happily buy another from HP. Mostly I use a Laser printer.....Away from your world I know but they have improved massively since the mid 2000s
Personally, I'll have someone visit the house, to check for mail, water plants etc. so I'll persuade them to add a monthly printer check... ;-) This is important for bigger printers - where I may leave them on and run a print via remote access, which I'll have to the house network anyway. Otherwise for smaller printers, I'd turn it off, unplug and seal the printer in a plastic bag. Storing it somewhere without any temperature extremes
Ooops, I've only done a nozzle check when I've run into problems. Thankfully so far my Canon Pro10s has been faultless, unlike the user. I just ran a nozzle check and it was perfect. It does get used at least once a week, so maybe that helped. However I've now set up a monthly reminder now. Thanks.
I have left my Canon PixmaPro 100 idle for over 6 months with no problems. I only once got a clog after months of no use, which was cleared up with one cleaning cycle. I think at least the Canon dye based printers are not much susceptible to clogging issues, and a test print every two weeks is excessive. Of course Epsons may be different.
We use epson for so many years, for bulk 4x6 prints, we use Epson Surelab series, and bigger size we use surecolor . Always same story with epson, even you are using your printer daily, at some points you'll get missing nozzles. For last two years, for bigger print, we switched to canon pro 44inch printer, why we switched, because our epson printhead was gave up and it's not economical wise to buy new printhead becaus it's almost the same price to get new printer. And Canon jumped in, they offered us with lifetime warranty for printhead as long we use original inks (which we always do to all our printers), 2 years to today we never need to do cleaning sequenze, the printer can maintain by itself, we do nozzle check every morning when the shop opened, and it always looks perfect. I love how canon treated their printhead as consumable, so they're cheap and easy to replace as easy as 1 2 3
@@KeithCooper Their tech support also top notch, unlike Epson, we have epson printer broken, the tech came to our shop but couldn't fix it, he promised that he'll be back on Monday, until this day he never came back, and that was in 2019, i want to call again back then but my boss said, don't let see when they'll comeback....on that moement, my boss replaced all Epson printer with other brands, even the working one...now we use mostly Canon, and Fujifilm inkjet printer for bulked 4x6 orders but none Epson
Thanks for this video, i am reminded that i needed to use my printer that has been unplugged for about 2 or 3 months or so. The cable on that printer is a bit on the short side so sadly it has the extension box dangling -_-
I now do a nozzle check before EVERY print session to be sure all is OK. This after I had problems with my Canon P-300 after 400 sheets and the machine was throwing a fatal error code. (Out of warranty, natch.) Canon tech told me that the printer needed to be replaced, but I was, and still am, hesitant. So I ran a few nozzle checks and cleanings. Now, most of the time, the checks come out OK and I am able to print that session. If not, I run a cleaning. (Luckily, the printer allows you to clean half the channels, and I only have trouble with MBK.) Usually I am back in business after one cleaning. Has the printer been miraculously healed? Maybe not. But I am willing to play this game and waste a little ink to save $1,000.
I find the Epson nozzle check a bit hard to see. Someone suggested rectangular bars of CMYK about 1 CM wide by 5 CM long. I used word to make it but also have it saved as a jpg. I set a reminder so if I haven’t printed in a week, I print the page, save the page and print at different orientation. I lost a HP Photosmart due to inactivity, expensive ink but great all in one. Now I don’t worry about ink usage with Epson tank printer.
A magnifying glass works for me... The problem with such test patterns is that such a CMYK block does not always translate to every nozzle firing for every ink. Especially since inkjet printers are actually RGB devices in the driver [irrespective of the inks] You are going through the driver - sure it exercises the printer, but does not give the thorough check of _every_ nozzle that the built in nozzle check does.
Yes -any printing suffices [even a nozzle check on plain paper] Frequency varies with the printer model/make Every two weeks is a general rule of thumb I work on...
Yes - I make sure the P5000 I have here does a paperless nozzle check at least every two weeks, just to catch periods of non printing. I also use it as a general office printer [A4 plain paper in the tray] since even a printed out invoice counts as exercising the printer.
Tip for a persistent clog that has lasted for days: make an aluminum foil boat that will fit inside the printer’s bay where the print head moves. Place a very damp paper towel inside and close up the printer for a day or two. The humidity will often unclog the print head.
Thanks Keith. Great advice as usual. I understand the Pro-300 does an automatic cleaning cycle if it sits idle for 60 hours. Would running a nozzle check re-set the clock on the cleaning cycle? I've heard a lot of people say they print a 4x6 once a week if they aren't printing a lot, which seems sensible. Is running a nozzle check comparable to a 4x6 print? Can it serve as a replacement to printing a 4x6? I was thinking about buying a Pro-1100 in order to cut ink costs, (among other reasons). In one of your videos you mentioned someone calculated the percentage of ink used in the cleaning cycle. For someone printing only six times a month on the Pro-1100 the percentage of ink used in the cleaning cycle is quite high. Would automating a nozzle check count as a 'print' on the Pro-1100, thereby lowering the number of cleaning cycles, and thus the 'wasted' ink? Maybe I've got the cleaning cycle 'facts' all wrong.
A nozzle check suffices [on plain paper] I've never had the chance to try such regular procedures, so I don't know the details. It would likely help, but the pro-1100 is a thirsty printer
A nozzle check is as good as a print. As to timers, I have no personal testing data in this respect, so can only go from what I read on forums... It is not info the manufacturers ever pass on I'm afraid [yes, I've asked].
not sure if true, I have an Epson Ecotank printer, if I turn it off but leave it connected to power, it will go through a nozzle clean cycle every so often. But if not connected then it does not do anything and the nozzles dry out and need a nozzle check.
Hi Keith, I've read some answers you gave, but some doubts remain. So, just two stupid questions aiming at making a newbie a little less ignorant (a quality which unfortunately I abound in every field of knowledge). 1) In general, is it appropriate to leave the printer on all the time, day and night? Both in terms of ink saving and with regard to clogs? 2) In case of clogs, having carried out two or three unsuccessful nozzle checks/clean cycles, to remove the airlock you suggest to let the printer alone over night. During this time, should the printer remain on, or may it be turned off? Thanks a lot for helping me with your videos to pierce the darkness with flashes of knowledge.
Which printer? ...there is no 'in general' that I know of. Differences are likely to be dependent on the printer model and frequency of use. There is no specific answer... there is no advice from the manufacturers. My own preference is to leave a printer switched on, and if it goes to a low power mode, to let it.
@@KeithCooper First, thanks for aswering me. About the printers, they are a Epson XP-6105 and a Epson L8050. Well, before I was an unaware ignorant, now I'm a conscious ignorant... better than nothing and at least I'm not alone ;-) Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge
See my pro-300 video about after I'd not used one for a while... Proceed carefully and be prepared to wait. If it works good - but don't do any more than 2-3 cleans in a session
Good advice, sadly I can't utilise it at the moment as my Pro 1000 has bricked itself! (just gives me an error on the screen) I don't seem to be able to find a way to get canon to fix it, do you know anyone in the UK that can come out and fix photo printers?
Hi Keith- great videos thank you. I have a pro 100 which due to illness I have not been able to use for a year. The carriage does not move? Do you know where I can get it serviced in the Uk (london Based). huge thanks Pete
This is the only UK place I know of - the 100, as a discontinued printer, is likely so expensive to service that I doubt anyone will do it, but worth a phone call www.inkjetservice.co.uk
Hi Keith…I try to use the printer (epson SC P700) every couple of days, just turning it on and off does a small clean, I was told. I’ve had this printer for about 3 months now with use every 2-3 days for a5 - a4 prints and am still using the start up inks. I often do a nozzle check before a print run. Since last week I’ve had 2 prints with cyan blobs (one on the white surround and one tiny dot on the print itself). The nozzle check is near perfect. A couple of small dash lines on the cyan are not quite aligned. Any tips? On my epson r2880 I used to dab the spit pad and that resolved blobbing but I can’t find anywhere what to do…. Thanks in advance!
Likely needs cleaning under the print head. To get to this needs the head out of the way of the pads. I don't know, but is there a pad cleaning option in the menu somewhere? - cannot say for sure, it was several years ago I tested the 700. The only other way is to pull the power when the head is over the other side - at startup. but that is very much an 'at your own risk' option Try asking at www.printerknowledge.com
I have a Canon ProGraph Pro 1000 and it's been a learning experience to say the least. I have been told by a few people I should leave the printer on and let it go to sleep mode instead of turning it on and off. What is your opinion on this? Thanks for another insightful video my friend.
Unfortunately I last tested the PRO-1000 when it first came out - i.e. with V1.0 of the firmware. so my usage experience is not necessarily relevant today. That said, my preference would be to leave it on, but I'd need to do more research on it - there have been quite a few tweaks to the firmware in 8 years
I had a Canon Pixma photo printer and was consuming lots of ink cartridges by turning the printer off and on. After the reseller suggested to leave it on, I saved a lot of ink. As you should keep the nozzles wet, you should print frequently -- think once a week -- using every cartridge or tank. It saves you ink to print a (small) photo every week. I do a nozzle check once in a while. I also print a small version before printing it big. I ruined this printer completely by using cheaper ink cartridges just once. I continue to follow these rules with my current Epson ET8550 printer. I'm still very enthusiastic with this printer after 2.5 years of use: I only had to refill the ink tanks once in all that time! My A3+ prints are being used in expositions.
@thierryhoornaert9950 I appreciate the advice. It's not hard for me at this stage to find something to print at least once a week, lol. I'm gearing up for my first art fair, and it's been nothing but print print print 😆
@@KeithCooper I have the PRO-1000 too. I use Qimage One with it's scheduling feature that prints a test pattern. I've heard from various sources to schedule daily to monthly. I schedule every two weeks from my last color print job.
To follow up my original posting. Do you have a view on whether it is best ( for the printer) to leave the printer turned on at the wall but off at the printer button ( which I do with my P900) OR leaving leaving it fully on. My P900 has a sleep timer up to 15min but I assume that it not the same as turning it off using the button.
There is no firm evidence available to suggest any one course of action is better. Someone at Epson may know, but it is not public knowledge. Personally I leave them to go to sleep...
Hi Keith my cannon TS3452 it’s 8 months old and when i print pictures there are vertical lines going through them i’ve done a clean and nozzle check and it’s still got vertical lines any thoughts? thanks
As long as you deliver some good advice, which this is (which you always do), you can clickbait me all day long. I run a small e commerce business, and I never take for granted what smart marketing techniques can do- especially on YT
Thanks Keith. I have a Canon Pro 200 and one of the colours is marked as empty. i can feel that there is ink in the cartidge and a nozle test prints that colour fine. Any ideas please?
Good advice. Though the thing which killed my perfectly-healthy printer was the manufacturer stopped making ink for it. There's no protection against that.
I've been hunting for info on printhead longevity, which seems difficult to track down. I asked over at DPReview, but no answers yet. Specifically, I'm considering buying a Pro-10. The owner did a nozzle check indicating a range between 4301-4350 on the page count. Is that considered high?
My process is 1)do a nozzle check, 2) scan that page and save it. 3)Have a cron job that prints the scanned image once a week. I just leave plain paper loaded. I ASSume that printing the scanned image will come close to exercising all the nozzles. I have an Epson P900
The scanned image achieves nothing extra - remember these printers are RGB devices, no matter what inks. That said, just printing something will be fine.
Great video, as usual, thank you Keith ! Following your advice, I try to print at least one photo every week or so on my P900 to avoid problems. Do you think I should also perform a nozle check if I only print in B&W for several weeks ? Thank you so much Philippe
No - any printing will actually exercise the whole system. B&W uses coloured inks too ;-) The nozzle check is mainly for if you've not printed for a bit.
I really should do a reminder. GAh! I keep a log for my motorcycles on when I rode them (date and mileage - mainly to keep the batteries in good nick) - should make a log for the printer.
@@KeithCooper I got a “replace print head” error and couldn’t clear it, Canon could not supply a new one. It was a tragedy as it had had good use originally but quite light for a few years but otherwise fully functional. I took it apart to see what makes printers tick and they are works of art internally but buggered for lack of spare parts. I gave away all my paper to the local photography club and just get my prints done by a service, these days you can get a truck load of decent enough prints for the price of an A3 pro printer, inks and paper .
Best advice would be to avoid rip-off inkjets, certainly avoid the scam that is HP inkjets and their £4000 per litre chipped ink carts, and get a colour laser.
Cannot agree about lasers, they have their place, but there is not one capable of high quality photo and art reproduction, which is, after all, most of why I cover printers in my testing. Can agree about some aspects of HP though...
Epson P600. Too many nozzle tests and head cleans. What next? Take it to a dealer? Try cleaning with Windex, paper towel and stuff? The dealer is pretty inconvenient.
All these problems will simply disappear if the printer manufacturers allow the printheads to be easily replaced. We all buy household products like washing machines, vacuum cleaners etc which can be repaired. Inkjet printers are by and large designed not to be repaired or replacing worn out parts. That is now illegal in the EU with the right to repair legislation.
No - they don't 'simply disappear' - there are different head technologies in different brands which explain why Canon heads are listed as consumables, but Epson are not. "right to repair' legislation is welcomed, but not the panacea some might hope for. The stuff I talk about in the video applies just as much to Canon printers with replaceable heads as Epson ones with lifetime heads.
I will never update firmware without knowing the consequences, for I have been bitten in the past. Go to the community and see what they are saying, especially if you are using inks other than that supplied by the manufacturer or you might be hung out to dry. Also, if you are printing very infrequently, might a laser behave better…
Yes, my specific advice to update firmware is for users of original inks, and I am aiming this primarily at users of better than basic printers. For 3rd party ink users, add it to the general risks of using them [IMHO - YMMV] Unfortunately, lasers don't do photos at any real quality - by all means get one for office use, but that's not what I look at printers for when I test them.
Thanks Keith, awesome video like always!! I set up a (free) Zapier integration with Epson Connect to automatically print a test page on my Epson EcoTank every week. Works like a charm, except sometimes the automatic print startles me 😂 A couple questions: I was wondering if you have ever tried using a "printer purge file" as a step to try to unclog the print heads before running a full clean. Would you recommend this? I'm also curious if you've ever used one of those manual print head cleaning kits people sell online. I maintain my printer regularly and I've never had a problem I couldn't fix using the maintenance techniques you describe in the video, so I'm just curious if you have an opinion on these things! PS: Sorry if this comment posts twice! I originally wrote a comment that included a link to an example printer purge file, but I think TH-cam didn't like that and blocked it 😂
Thanks - I've not used a purge file for years, since swapping black inks on large Epson printers was a hugely wasteful process. I have cleaned print heads manually, but only for a printer I was almost ready to write off as scrap. If I get to such measures, things are already not going well...
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Keith is the Godfather of printing.
Thanks ;-)
It makes me remember the 4800plus that died on me completely clogged. With 1000€ worth of ink...
I was "young" and stupid, I really didn't needed such a printer for my usage. Maybe the seller had to be blamed to for advising me this model.
I had left this printer unused for months... I've learned the lesson the hard way that a printer has to be used.
About 15 years later, I'm about to buy an A2+ printer again... but now, I'm prepared ;)
Yes, regular use is the key...
Not click bait at all - this is great advice. This is SO important. I do nozzle checks if I haven't used my printer in 5 days. My art print business was much slower 3 years ago and I ruined my P7000 by leaving it for weeks without printing. My brother sells these large format printers and he got me a good deal on a new Epson P7570 and down-time nozzle checks was the best advice he's ever given me. I've had this P7570 for about 3 years now (probably 3000 prints) and during my slower times, I run nozzle checks and they are pristine. The only time it's ever been idle for more than 6 days were due to family vacations.
Thanks - I couldn't resist the title ;-)
Thanks for this tip, it simple and easy thing to do. Just to followup on one point you made, though. You're right,; if you had one bad product from a company years ago, it's self-defeating to hold it against them forever. However, what I DO have a very long memory for is a company's response to problems. If they behaved reasonably, and did their best to resolve the issue, I remember that. On the other hand, if they just give a middle finger salute, as a lot of companies do these days, I will remember it forever. And I will do my best to warn others.
Yes, company attitudes to customers seem slower to change...
Hi Keith,
As a Frenchman, I am delighted to be able to understand your explanations thanks to your expression in academic English.
your channel is very fascinating 🎉
Thanks ... I should perhaps admit that I'm half French ;-)
You're right, Jean-Luc. I finished watching this video with the same amount of hair as when I started! Doesn't often happen .... usually I have pulled out half of my remaining strands when I hear the absolute butchery of the English language that so many presenters perform. It's great that you acknowledged it, since English is not your first language. ( BTW, I have great respect for people who are fluent in more than one language. It was never a talent I mastered.)
Great reminder, thanks! Haven't fired up my Pro200 in almost a year, luckily the nozzle check was perfect. :)
Thanks!
I print off a 6x4" postcard print every day or so. (1) It keeps the nozzles clear (2) I get a lovely album of postcard prints. (Canon G5050 "Megatank" ... not the World's best photo printer, but virtually free to use.).
Yes - that will work!
Thanks! This is excellent advice that will surely save me money.
Thanks!
Haven't printed for three, maybe four-ish weeks. Usually I just run a small credit card sized crop on a full sheet of paper. Decided to run this nozzle check this morning instead. Turned out fine. This is way easier to tell than inspecting my crops under loupe for any missprays or white dots.
Excellent - hope it helps keep the printer happy ;-)
Thank you Keith for the excellent advice. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! Just ran a nozzle check (all OK), and have added a reminder to my calendar to repeat every two weeks.
Excellent - glad to have helped.
Thanks for the reminder this Sunday. Ran my P900 and all is good!
Excellent...
Thanks, Keith! Great Idea to set a phone reminder. My P900 and I greatly appreciate the tip.
Yes, I found it really easy to forget when I last used a particular printer...
As always, Keith, you give excellent advice! The best part about this video was what you said about letting the printer sit. During the pandemic, our printers sat for many many months without use. Some of them would be fine and some of them wouldn’t maybe even after a couple of weeks.then you would come back the next day and they’d be fine. Thanks again, Keith. You are such a great resource!
Thanks - The printer makers tell me it's all about bubbles...
Good advise, especially if you are not printing regularly. I think once a week or every couple weeks, but also, if you haven't used your printer in a couple of weeks it would be a good idea to run a nozzle check before you make a print.
Yes - it can save wasting good paper and ink
This is great advice. I'm not using my Epson P600 a lot these days, and I run the test it a few minutes ago and discover that I had two nozzles completely blocked.
Hope it clears...
I have had an Epson R2400 since 2007, and I haven't done this yonks lol, have printed some photos of late and no problems, one thing I have never printed borderless which has kept the 'inners' clean. But now I will run a maintenance check!
A good solid printer - one I reviewed many years ago...
Thanks Keith. I shudder when I see advice in various Facebook pages about power cleaning and to print full pages of different colours to try to clear blockages.
I try to print a photo every week and/or nozzle check on my P900.
I usually print a monthly combined nozzle check, configuration status sheet, usage history sheet and supply status sheet ( on 2 A4 plain paper sheets) to keep a record of the printer. Last check showed - First print 18/11/2021 -A4 equivalent prints 12530 or 2349 A2 equivalents.
Thanks - regular print is the key...
Excellent advice Keith, just the sort of thing I value your channel for.
Thanks - I do try and mix the basic but important stuff with more advanced coverage, just because it covers the range of my photo interests and what I do for a living.
Great info Keith. My tightwaddedness is treated by using scrap paper and 4 times through.
Ah... an extra saving I'd not mentioned ;-)
A great reminder, Keith, I'll run a check today.
And in two weeks time!
I’ll do it now! And set a weekly reminder!
The reminder also reminds you the printer is there, if you've not got round to doing some printing ;-)
Great tip! I’ve been watching your videos, as they are very informative. I’m thinking about buying a photo printer, and I’m doing research beforehand. Thanks for the great advice!
Thanks - if you've not seen them, each printer has a long written review, with far more detail than the videos...
Hi Keith , very informative video ( as usual ) . I fully understand the need to give your printer something to do quite often ( as I do ) , but just wanted to share my lucky printer purchase story . I understood the risks of buying a used printer but I went in feet first and picked up a 3 year old Canon Pro-1000 that had been in a loft for over 2 years since the inks ran out . When I switched it on at home it did show every cart empty ( as expected ) . Like a crazy man I'd pre-ordered a complete set of Canon inks and went ahead installing . My next move was to run a nozzle check and to my huge relief all was perfect and its continued to print great images . This isn't in any way an advert for this brand I just thought it showed how very clever printer tech has developed .
Yes - thanks for that, bad news about clogs and ink use gets all the publicity. Printers are generally getting better...
Definitely will do this when I get back from my work trip. Thanks Keith!
Glad to assist ;-)
Great advice. I have 2 printers and just drag and drop my nozzle check reminder 3 days. Some folks recommend a print but it might not exercise every nozzle. Have a 10 year old 3880 that will develop a clog beyond that in the cyan channel after I let it sit a year unused. I just do a check on the 5 yr old p7000 at the same time. If a second nozzle check hasn't cleared it after waiting a few minutes, rather than doing a head cleaning on all the inks, Qimage 1 that I use for page setup, printing and remembering settings, allows me to only do a half or full page cleaning of the color with the clog. And yes, I cut my paper on a rototrim. I also try to print on each printer at least once a month.
Thanks
Hi Keith, I have been an Epson user for many years now, from basic A4 with 3+1 colour upto my current 3880 (purchased as a refurb some years ago), I have a 1300 and 1400 sitting Idle after giving up with blocked nozzles (using a continuous ink system), the trouble was with Magenta and Light Magenta. The 1500 was with a service agent for two weeks who returned it saying they could not find the fault, no charge. Doing some research I discovered whatever brand of ink (if a Dye Ink) this was a known issue if not used often enough, those two colours would go thixotropic and slightly gelatinous, so I think it has to be something to do with the dye chemistry. Larger Epson's use Pigment Ink and the cartridges have a slightly pressurised system which shuts off when printing has ceased, thereby causing a minuscule release of pressure drawing ink back from the nozzles.
Yes - leaving ink to 'rest' in the system can sometimes cause issues too.
Suggestion for another video. How often should I check the print head alignment?
I haven't done one for over a year on my ET-8500, but decided to check it today, and most of the alignments we off. Some of them significantly.
Thank you for these great videos.....Brian
Thanks, my normal suggestion with new printers is to run it after the first major ink change.
I'll have a look at some more detailed notes.
Thanks, Keith. This is great advice.
I leave the printer on, which saves a lot of ink. As you should keep the nozzles wet, you should print frequently -- like weekly -- using every cartridge or tank. It saves you ink to print a (small) photo every week. I do a nozzle check once in a while, or if I forgot to print. I also print a small version before printing it big.
Thanks
Thanks. Yeah, I don't do borderless print. Can't wait to get the Epson P900 in a couple of month or so. When I had the P800, I would be able to get away without printing for a couple of months without issues. I do a quick nozzle check before making a print. Always amazed that when the printer runs out of ink in one color, just swap it out and continue. Can't see where it stopped.
Glad it was of interest. There are some papers where I've noticed a slight mark if inks are changed, but it's often OK
Very good reminder.
Thank you.
Thanks
I have a canon pro 1000 and use Qimage and is set to print a test print once a day, works a charm and doesn’t waste an awful lot of ink. I do this as it’s a pro level printer and they are made to be used
Excellent - although I don't personally think I'd do it _every_ day
Thanks!
thanks for that!
Thanks again. This is one thing I was good at. Sadly a now ancient HP8620 has said print head error failure. For ''legal type'' docs incl. of diagrams (colour needed) it's done very well for 9 years, and no clue how many pages.......I can't complain. I would happily buy another from HP. Mostly I use a Laser printer.....Away from your world I know but they have improved massively since the mid 2000s
Yes - It's been a while since I tried one.
Thanks for this. Hearing your litany of disclaimers towards your listeners, it sounds like more than a few might need to review their life priorities.
Thanks - Indeed ;-)
Excellent advice all around.
Thanks
This is a great video. Keith, what should one do with the printer when one’s going away for two or three months? Perhaps follow up video?
Personally, I'll have someone visit the house, to check for mail, water plants etc. so I'll persuade them to add a monthly printer check... ;-) This is important for bigger printers - where I may leave them on and run a print via remote access, which I'll have to the house network anyway.
Otherwise for smaller printers, I'd turn it off, unplug and seal the printer in a plastic bag. Storing it somewhere without any temperature extremes
Ooops, I've only done a nozzle check when I've run into problems. Thankfully so far my Canon Pro10s has been faultless, unlike the user. I just ran a nozzle check and it was perfect. It does get used at least once a week, so maybe that helped. However I've now set up a monthly reminder now. Thanks.
Yes, it's a solid printer in that respect [same printhead as the PRO-300]
thaqnk you for putting this out Keith. Really helpful.
Thanks
Always useful advice. Thanks again.
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Great advice again and video Keith.
Thanks
I have left my Canon PixmaPro 100 idle for over 6 months with no problems. I only once got a clog after months of no use, which was cleared up with one cleaning cycle. I think at least the Canon dye based printers are not much susceptible to clogging issues, and a test print every two weeks is excessive. Of course Epsons may be different.
Yes - the interval varies by printer. On a PRO-100 I'd likely set it at 3 weeks for myself
We use epson for so many years, for bulk 4x6 prints, we use Epson Surelab series, and bigger size we use surecolor . Always same story with epson, even you are using your printer daily, at some points you'll get missing nozzles. For last two years, for bigger print, we switched to canon pro 44inch printer, why we switched, because our epson printhead was gave up and it's not economical wise to buy new printhead becaus it's almost the same price to get new printer. And Canon jumped in, they offered us with lifetime warranty for printhead as long we use original inks (which we always do to all our printers), 2 years to today we never need to do cleaning sequenze, the printer can maintain by itself, we do nozzle check every morning when the shop opened, and it always looks perfect. I love how canon treated their printhead as consumable, so they're cheap and easy to replace as easy as 1 2 3
Canon marketing are also very pro-active in the desire for sales ;-)
@@KeithCooper Their tech support also top notch, unlike Epson, we have epson printer broken, the tech came to our shop but couldn't fix it, he promised that he'll be back on Monday, until this day he never came back, and that was in 2019, i want to call again back then but my boss said, don't let see when they'll comeback....on that moement, my boss replaced all Epson printer with other brands, even the working one...now we use mostly Canon, and Fujifilm inkjet printer for bulked 4x6 orders but none Epson
Thanks for this video, i am reminded that i needed to use my printer that has been unplugged for about 2 or 3 months or so.
The cable on that printer is a bit on the short side so sadly it has the extension box dangling -_-
Thanks
I now do a nozzle check before EVERY print session to be sure all is OK. This after I had problems with my Canon P-300 after 400 sheets and the machine was throwing a fatal error code. (Out of warranty, natch.) Canon tech told me that the printer needed to be replaced, but I was, and still am, hesitant. So I ran a few nozzle checks and cleanings. Now, most of the time, the checks come out OK and I am able to print that session. If not, I run a cleaning. (Luckily, the printer allows you to clean half the channels, and I only have trouble with MBK.) Usually I am back in business after one cleaning. Has the printer been miraculously healed? Maybe not. But I am willing to play this game and waste a little ink to save $1,000.
Seems reasonable - the 300 is not high on the 'due for replacement' list.
Magic Bullet for stubborn blockages. Works wonders.
The sort of stuff I'll try if I'm already thinking about the need to replace the printer ;-)
I find the Epson nozzle check a bit hard to see. Someone suggested rectangular bars of CMYK about 1 CM wide by 5 CM long. I used word to make it but also have it saved as a jpg. I set a reminder so if I haven’t printed in a week, I print the page, save the page and print at different orientation. I lost a HP Photosmart due to inactivity, expensive ink but great all in one. Now I don’t worry about ink usage with Epson tank printer.
A magnifying glass works for me...
The problem with such test patterns is that such a CMYK block does not always translate to every nozzle firing for every ink. Especially since inkjet printers are actually RGB devices in the driver [irrespective of the inks]
You are going through the driver - sure it exercises the printer, but does not give the thorough check of _every_ nozzle that the built in nozzle check does.
Cant i just print some random small photo ? Or some visit cards of the shop ? If yes how often should i do it
Yes -any printing suffices [even a nozzle check on plain paper]
Frequency varies with the printer model/make
Every two weeks is a general rule of thumb I work on...
@KeithCooper i have canon prograf 2100,i always leave it on standby,never off completly,and if i dont have prints,i do run small visit cards once week
Yes - I make sure the P5000 I have here does a paperless nozzle check at least every two weeks, just to catch periods of non printing. I also use it as a general office printer [A4 plain paper in the tray] since even a printed out invoice counts as exercising the printer.
@KeithCooper i dont know if prograf 2100 can print on plain a4...
@@audiophilipp I thought it could? Not usually an office printer though
Tip for a persistent clog that has lasted for days: make an aluminum foil boat that will fit inside the printer’s bay where the print head moves. Place a very damp paper towel inside and close up the printer for a day or two. The humidity will often unclog the print head.
Thanks for noting that
Also make a mixture of alcohol and ammonia and lightly dampen the folded paper towel.
I didn't use my Canon PRO 9500 Mk2 for almost a year and boy oh boy it took a full set of cartridges to clear the nozzles...lesson learnt.
Thanks for sharing
More great advice, thank you. 👍😎
Thanks!
Thanks, Keith. Much appreciated.
Thanks - it's easy to forget...
Thanks Keith. Great advice as usual.
I understand the Pro-300 does an automatic cleaning cycle if it sits idle for 60 hours. Would running a nozzle check re-set the clock on the cleaning cycle?
I've heard a lot of people say they print a 4x6 once a week if they aren't printing a lot, which seems sensible. Is running a nozzle check comparable to a 4x6 print? Can it serve as a replacement to printing a 4x6?
I was thinking about buying a Pro-1100 in order to cut ink costs, (among other reasons). In one of your videos you mentioned someone calculated the percentage of ink used in the cleaning cycle. For someone printing only six times a month on the Pro-1100 the percentage of ink used in the cleaning cycle is quite high. Would automating a nozzle check count as a 'print' on the Pro-1100, thereby lowering the number of cleaning cycles, and thus the 'wasted' ink?
Maybe I've got the cleaning cycle 'facts' all wrong.
A nozzle check suffices [on plain paper]
I've never had the chance to try such regular procedures, so I don't know the details.
It would likely help, but the pro-1100 is a thirsty printer
@@KeithCooper
Thanks. Do you mean the nozzle check is sufficient once a week, or before the 60 hours expires?
A nozzle check is as good as a print. As to timers, I have no personal testing data in this respect, so can only go from what I read on forums...
It is not info the manufacturers ever pass on I'm afraid [yes, I've asked].
not sure if true, I have an Epson Ecotank printer, if I turn it off but leave it connected to power, it will go through a nozzle clean cycle every so often. But if not connected then it does not do anything and the nozzles dry out and need a nozzle check.
I don't know all that range, but I'd generally keep it turned on.
Hi Keith thank you very much for this tips
Thanks...
Hi Keith, I've read some answers you gave, but some doubts remain.
So, just two stupid questions aiming at making a newbie a little less ignorant (a quality which unfortunately I abound in every field of knowledge).
1) In general, is it appropriate to leave the printer on all the time, day and night? Both in terms of ink saving and with regard to clogs?
2) In case of clogs, having carried out two or three unsuccessful nozzle checks/clean cycles, to remove the airlock you suggest to let the printer alone over night.
During this time, should the printer remain on, or may it be turned off?
Thanks a lot for helping me with your videos to pierce the darkness with flashes of knowledge.
Which printer? ...there is no 'in general' that I know of. Differences are likely to be dependent on the printer model and frequency of use.
There is no specific answer... there is no advice from the manufacturers.
My own preference is to leave a printer switched on, and if it goes to a low power mode, to let it.
@@KeithCooper First, thanks for aswering me.
About the printers, they are a Epson XP-6105 and a Epson L8050.
Well, before I was an unaware ignorant, now I'm a conscious ignorant... better than nothing and at least I'm not alone ;-)
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge
Thanks Keith , great tips . Can I ask please as I’ve not used my printer in over a year what’s the best way forward?
Thanks
Mark
See my pro-300 video about after I'd not used one for a while...
Proceed carefully and be prepared to wait. If it works good - but don't do any more than 2-3 cleans in a session
Good advice, sadly I can't utilise it at the moment as my Pro 1000 has bricked itself! (just gives me an error on the screen)
I don't seem to be able to find a way to get canon to fix it, do you know anyone in the UK that can come out and fix photo printers?
Try www.inkjetservice.co.uk/
However - the PRO-1000 is known for being somewhat difficult to do any major servicing on.
Hi Keith- great videos thank you. I have a pro 100 which due to illness I have not been able to use for a year. The carriage does not move? Do you know where I can get it serviced in the Uk (london Based). huge thanks Pete
This is the only UK place I know of - the 100, as a discontinued printer, is likely so expensive to service that I doubt anyone will do it, but worth a phone call
www.inkjetservice.co.uk
Hi Keith…I try to use the printer (epson SC P700) every couple of days, just turning it on and off does a small clean, I was told. I’ve had this printer for about 3 months now with use every 2-3 days for a5 - a4 prints and am still using the start up inks. I often do a nozzle check before a print run. Since last week I’ve had 2 prints with cyan blobs (one on the white surround and one tiny dot on the print itself). The nozzle check is near perfect. A couple of small dash lines on the cyan are not quite aligned. Any tips? On my epson r2880 I used to dab the spit pad and that resolved blobbing but I can’t find anywhere what to do…. Thanks in advance!
Likely needs cleaning under the print head.
To get to this needs the head out of the way of the pads.
I don't know, but is there a pad cleaning option in the menu somewhere? - cannot say for sure, it was several years ago I tested the 700.
The only other way is to pull the power when the head is over the other side - at startup. but that is very much an 'at your own risk' option
Try asking at
www.printerknowledge.com
When you brought up the money saving methods with the A4 paper, I got a nice giggle out of that. Love the dry humour.
Thanks! :-)
Great tips!😄
Thanks
I have a Canon ProGraph Pro 1000 and it's been a learning experience to say the least. I have been told by a few people I should leave the printer on and let it go to sleep mode instead of turning it on and off. What is your opinion on this? Thanks for another insightful video my friend.
Unfortunately I last tested the PRO-1000 when it first came out - i.e. with V1.0 of the firmware. so my usage experience is not necessarily relevant today.
That said, my preference would be to leave it on, but I'd need to do more research on it - there have been quite a few tweaks to the firmware in 8 years
@@KeithCooper I appreciate your advice.
I had a Canon Pixma photo printer and was consuming lots of ink cartridges by turning the printer off and on. After the reseller suggested to leave it on, I saved a lot of ink. As you should keep the nozzles wet, you should print frequently -- think once a week -- using every cartridge or tank. It saves you ink to print a (small) photo every week. I do a nozzle check once in a while. I also print a small version before printing it big. I ruined this printer completely by using cheaper ink cartridges just once.
I continue to follow these rules with my current Epson ET8550 printer. I'm still very enthusiastic with this printer after 2.5 years of use: I only had to refill the ink tanks once in all that time! My A3+ prints are being used in expositions.
@thierryhoornaert9950 I appreciate the advice. It's not hard for me at this stage to find something to print at least once a week, lol. I'm gearing up for my first art fair, and it's been nothing but print print print 😆
@@KeithCooper I have the PRO-1000 too. I use Qimage One with it's scheduling feature that prints a test pattern. I've heard from various sources to schedule daily to monthly. I schedule every two weeks from my last color print job.
To follow up my original posting. Do you have a view on whether it is best ( for the printer) to leave the printer turned on at the wall but off at the printer button ( which I do with my P900) OR leaving leaving it fully on. My P900 has a sleep timer up to 15min but I assume that it not the same as turning it off using the button.
There is no firm evidence available to suggest any one course of action is better. Someone at Epson may know, but it is not public knowledge.
Personally I leave them to go to sleep...
Epson iPrint for holiday times keeps it ticking over. Once a week on my 8550.
That should definitely help it
Hi Keith my cannon TS3452 it’s 8 months old and when i print pictures there are vertical lines going through them i’ve done a clean and nozzle check and it’s still got vertical lines any thoughts? thanks
Head alignment springs to mind - I don't know that particular printer though, so see the setup section of the guide.
As long as you deliver some good advice, which this is (which you always do), you can clickbait me all day long. I run a small e commerce business, and I never take for granted what smart marketing techniques can do- especially on YT
Thanks for that - it get the stuff found [sometimes] Hopefully then some find it of use and come back ;-)
@@KeithCooper exactly- your videos help anyone who finds them… the more the better.
Thanks Keith. I have a Canon Pro 200 and one of the colours is marked as empty. i can feel that there is ink in the cartidge and a nozle test prints that colour fine. Any ideas please?
Nothing much you can do directly - I'll keep on until it forces a change.
Asking here might get you a bit more info?
www.printerknowledge.com
@@KeithCooper Thanks Keith, i will keep using it until it tells me to stop
Good advice. Though the thing which killed my perfectly-healthy printer was the manufacturer stopped making ink for it. There's no protection against that.
Yes - that hits many a printer eventually.
I've been hunting for info on printhead longevity, which seems difficult to track down. I asked over at DPReview, but no answers yet. Specifically, I'm considering buying a Pro-10. The owner did a nozzle check indicating a range between 4301-4350 on the page count. Is that considered high?
For a pro-10, not hugely, given the age of the printer.
It's the same print head you get in the pro-300
@@KeithCooper Thanks! Best wishes for 2025.
My process is 1)do a nozzle check, 2) scan that page and save it. 3)Have a cron job that prints the scanned image once a week. I just leave plain paper loaded. I ASSume that printing the scanned image will come close to exercising all the nozzles. I have an Epson P900
The scanned image achieves nothing extra - remember these printers are RGB devices, no matter what inks.
That said, just printing something will be fine.
@@KeithCooper The only reason to scan it is so the cron job has a file to send. I don't know how to do a nozzle check from the terminal.
Good point...
Great video, as usual, thank you Keith !
Following your advice, I try to print at least one photo every week or so on my P900 to avoid problems.
Do you think I should also perform a nozle check if I only print in B&W for several weeks ?
Thank you so much
Philippe
No - any printing will actually exercise the whole system. B&W uses coloured inks too ;-)
The nozzle check is mainly for if you've not printed for a bit.
Ok, thank you Keith !
I really should do a reminder. GAh! I keep a log for my motorcycles on when I rode them (date and mileage - mainly to keep the batteries in good nick) - should make a log for the printer.
Yes - stuff doesn't like being left unused...
Thanks Keith for the common sense advice.
Thanks
A timely reminder for me - I’m too embarrassed to say how long since I checked. Luckily my Epson SureColor P-800 is incredibly forgiving!
Thanks - I just forget it too easily ;-)
I fixed my printer´s clogged nozzles with WD40 ! Lots of it !
It did work, but of course, it was the last resort.
Yes - in extreme... ;-)
Best way to make your printer work best, is to use it and not let it dry out. Don’t let your printer stand w/o using it at least once a week.
Yes, and a nozzle check counts as 'use'
@@KeithCooper no, it counts as ultra fast ink usage
Probably would have save my Pro 900 from getting scrapped
Sorry about that - what broke?
@@KeithCooper I got a “replace print head” error and couldn’t clear it, Canon could not supply a new one. It was a tragedy as it had had good use originally but quite light for a few years but otherwise fully functional. I took it apart to see what makes printers tick and they are works of art internally but buggered for lack of spare parts. I gave away all my paper to the local photography club and just get my prints done by a service, these days you can get a truck load of decent enough prints for the price of an A3 pro printer, inks and paper .
@@Chris-NZ That's unusual, since print heads are a user serviceable part
@@KeithCooper I guess if the master plan was to get me to get another printer it was a fail😀
Best advice would be to avoid rip-off inkjets, certainly avoid the scam that is HP inkjets and their £4000 per litre chipped ink carts, and get a colour laser.
Cannot agree about lasers, they have their place, but there is not one capable of high quality photo and art reproduction, which is, after all, most of why I cover printers in my testing.
Can agree about some aspects of HP though...
Epson P600. Too many nozzle tests and head cleans. What next? Take it to a dealer? Try cleaning with Windex, paper towel and stuff?
The dealer is pretty inconvenient.
600? Yes - a deeper clean of head and pads would be my choice
Can't afford the ink for nozzle checks
It's a choice... a poor one IMHO, but it's a choice ;-)
All these problems will simply disappear if the printer manufacturers allow the printheads to be easily replaced. We all buy household products like washing machines, vacuum cleaners etc which can be repaired. Inkjet printers are by and large designed not to be repaired or replacing worn out parts. That is now illegal in the EU with the right to repair legislation.
No - they don't 'simply disappear' - there are different head technologies in different brands which explain why Canon heads are listed as consumables, but Epson are not.
"right to repair' legislation is welcomed, but not the panacea some might hope for.
The stuff I talk about in the video applies just as much to Canon printers with replaceable heads as Epson ones with lifetime heads.
I will never update firmware without knowing the consequences, for I have been bitten in the past.
Go to the community and see what they are saying, especially if you are using inks other than that supplied by the manufacturer or you might be hung out to dry.
Also, if you are printing very infrequently, might a laser behave better…
Yes, my specific advice to update firmware is for users of original inks, and I am aiming this primarily at users of better than basic printers.
For 3rd party ink users, add it to the general risks of using them [IMHO - YMMV]
Unfortunately, lasers don't do photos at any real quality - by all means get one for office use, but that's not what I look at printers for when I test them.
Thanks Keith, awesome video like always!! I set up a (free) Zapier integration with Epson Connect to automatically print a test page on my Epson EcoTank every week. Works like a charm, except sometimes the automatic print startles me 😂
A couple questions: I was wondering if you have ever tried using a "printer purge file" as a step to try to unclog the print heads before running a full clean. Would you recommend this? I'm also curious if you've ever used one of those manual print head cleaning kits people sell online. I maintain my printer regularly and I've never had a problem I couldn't fix using the maintenance techniques you describe in the video, so I'm just curious if you have an opinion on these things!
PS: Sorry if this comment posts twice! I originally wrote a comment that included a link to an example printer purge file, but I think TH-cam didn't like that and blocked it 😂
Thanks - I've not used a purge file for years, since swapping black inks on large Epson printers was a hugely wasteful process.
I have cleaned print heads manually, but only for a printer I was almost ready to write off as scrap. If I get to such measures, things are already not going well...