@@josephcrocilla1469 Sadly, it would appear that the IQ dividing line is passing right between us and them, and as a democracy depends on an educated electorate, we're in big trouble. Vote like you're listening and comprehending and not just another bot.
Vance downright said that's what they do I think...last week? Week before? But he did flat-out say that they make things up to "create a story", or some such BS.
You can say "i was using a meme to draw attention to ths other thing", 6ut you still hurt innocent people just fo promote your politics. Like Jesus never said "the ends justify the means".
This. If someone complains about being fact checked or corrected, then it's usually because they know they're doing something wrong. And unfortunately in todays society and being globally connected, people can not only get away with it, but supported doing it because there's always others out there like them that'll either support them because they're the same, or not go check themselves because they're lazy. They complain "It's a 3 on 1". Yes.... that's what happens in a group of 4 people WHEN YOU'RE THE LIAR.
A debate is almost useless without fact checking as there are many who have not closely followed the campaign and will use the debate as their version of cliff notes.
I wanted to hear for myself what a smooth talking liar he is. He would be just as despicable a leader as his running mate. His only allegiance appears to be to money. But he won’t raise his voice. He is a very dangerous male who we must keep far away from access to the power of the Presidency.
All future debates should have no audiences present, mics cut off between questions and responses, and fact checking with moderators speaking to each infraction.
When billionaire Peter Theil (PayPal) came along and offered him millions to become a politician under Theil’s mentoring , he’ll say anything. It’s pathetic.
Shady Vance admitted it when he said that if he has to make up stories to get his point across, like the cats and dogs thing, he would do it. Sounds like something a heterosectional furniture sex addict would say. (No, per Shady, it's not our job to fact check rumors.)
the list of audacious lies is long! like the blatant lie of Trump being an anti-war president watch a non exhaustive listing of Trump's warmongering by Mehdi Hasan
Does common knowledge for the educated count as fact checking? No, trump tried to kill obama care without replacement every chance he got along with anything that would make the dems look good like their border proposal. Anyone that follows the news knows that. no magats of course.
Fact checking a Republican is like brake checking a tailgater. It's only going to make him angry and if anything bad happens he's going to try to convince everyone that it was your fault.
@@PhilLesh69 I swivel my rear view so their f'ing super bright lights can blind them - they can start to get mad then realize they are blinding themselves.
Was ANY ONE better off 4 years ago ??? That was the beginning of the pandemic & we had shutdowns of everything & a president ACTIVELY MURDERING HIS OWN CITIZENS ( just like his buddy putin is now) by telling them to INJECT BLEACH into THEMSELVES & NOT WEAR MASK !!!😥 6:58 😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I DON'T UNDERSTAND how ANYONE can TRUST t...p about ANYTHING after that!!!
@@VladimirPutin-p3t no. What maga has done to my mental state cannot be measured on paper. But, it sure did clear up any doubt about my stupid "friends! They are no longer in my life 🎉
Signs of a sociopath • behavior conflicting with social norms, repeatedly pushes the envelope into uncharted territory. • disregarding or violating the rights of others, insubordinate to any form of authority. • unconcerned in distinguishing between right and wrong. • inability to show remorse, for they have none, void of empathy. • tendency to lie often, repeatedly, automatically. Behaves in a risky, impulsive, dangerous manner. • extremely manipulative, exploits others without any care of who gets hurt. • no conscience or guilt, refusal to accept responsibility for their actions, claiming ownership in the success of others.
"no conscience or guilt" - that is a psychopath like trump (and my brother - haven't talked to in 40 years - not academic to me) - a sociopath might have a conscience but they don't pay much attention to it regarding their actions. Vance is just a run of the mill opportunistic puppet with a whim of steel. "I called him all of those names before I knew him. He's all those things but I want a piece of it - I want to ride that train so I might be conductor some day." Keep your food taster donnie. Your buddy has big plans.
A) Trump and his father early in his adulthood ,after NYC's adoption of laws making certain "landlord practices" criminal, commits repeated discrimination of minorities in multiple cities, unchecked. And tools up a mob money laundering boost of his coffers, learned from his dad and Roy Cohn at the same time. He has NEVER been legit. B) Trump spewing toxic Asbestos particulate, in clouds, onto the New York City streets and air spaces. More recently: Trump violating the FCC Broadcaster's Oath HE TOOK by uttering a criminal level, violence inciting, racist hoax on a national broadcast. That is NOT protected speech. That is HATE SPEECH, nation damaging hate speech, and it is specifically what is NOT protected. And especially if when committed, harm and damage was done. C) Trump walked in to the dressing room of minor children after deliberately waiting until they were in near full undress, later bragging to Howard Stern and the nation that he "had a right to do it". AND STILL believes that to this day. D) Trump was directly responsible for no less than 13 deaths of Ukraine soldiers when he held up a fully approved and packaged, waiting on the tarmac ordnance and munitions shipment as he CRIMINALLY attempted to involve the president of Ukraine in his new "Smear Biden" campaign strategy. His Quid Pro Quo manipulation attempt got him impeached, but it should have gotten him reviled and decried by all. It brought shame to the nation, and I must be the only one who could tell that Volodymyr wanted badly to do America a huge favor as he stood next to the man who encouraged Putin to invade his nation. E) Trump has lied and been a criminal his entire adult life with not one day passing where he did not commit a crime, or lie or both together. F) Trump is a pyramid scam wannabe winner who could not even win at that and he is still doing it. He may know he is now finally going down and the hate dirigible that is Donald John Trump is beginning to burst and leak. So expect to see lies and hatred spewed all about in all directions as his date with his keepers approaches. G) Or blaming others for his failures. To him that tallies as another sucksess.
I LOVE the way Chris Hayes explains things to those of us who try to follow politics but need things in more laymen terms. It's one of the reasons he's one of my favorite newspersons.
Couldn’t watch the debate. Just seeing Vance’s picture makes my skin crawl. I’m Canadian so I obviously can’t vote, but if if Drump & Co. get in, the effect on America’s allies and the rest of the world would be immeasurable. I’m begging Americans to vote 💙
*GREEN EGGS AND VANCE* *_We do not like this J.D. Vance_* *_We do not like his empty pants_* *_We do not like his farm of ants_* *_We will not take him to the dance_* *_We do not like him in a tree,_* *_We do not buy his elegy._* *_We do not like his little scam_* *_He does not speak for Uncle Sam_* (I am) ~~ Dr. Suez
Shady Vance wears lady pants When he does the hoochie coochie dance He’s known for his rants and his couch romance Which fails to enhance his stance with his aunts _(Don’t ask what he did to his aunts’ house plants)_
This South Australian loves the Stephen Colbert show. So many Aussies appreciate seeing the reality of Trump and Vance speeches and do not appreciate the EX Australian Murdoch's Extreme Right Fox Network presenters' propaganda.
Lol, the other day I stumbled on a Twitter account called "Is Rupert Murdoch Dead?" that only posts one thing (so far), once a day: "He's still alive" I wonder, after that inevitable day where they have to post something else, what will become of the account...
Vance is less a smooth talker than an habitual liar. People struggle with verbal fluidity when they are attempting to stick to a coherent truthful statement or position.
He was trying hard to remember the scrip/taglines at times - kind of stiff and forced. The american people, I'm a victim (like you implied) etc. Oh yeah, need to keep working that stuff in like they said too. magas eat it up. Wals didn't do that.
More habitual treasonist. Treason is a capital punishment, start punishing your crimes or expect more people to break them. JD Vance is following the ideology of Curtis Yarvin and he is a very dangerous individual who is only using the chaos of Donald Trump to get into power. Realise how literally close to the end of your country you have gotten... 🤐
If one candidate is caught constantly lying, this should disqualify her*him pretty automatically from getting elected. In a working democracy where the people generally have a clue about politics. And you need that in a working demoracy.
In a sane world even floating the IDEA that your side was against fact-checking should be immediately disqualifying. In THIS world we're running 50% against a convicted sex offender and felon who's currently under indictment for effectively leading an Organized Crime ring (multiple RICO violations). Truly the world has lost its mind. Now let us all cross fingers that Israel doesn't "accidentally" a nuclear war with Iran+Russia before November.
@@IaIaCthulhuFtagn That adds to it, but I was more referring to the idea that for democracy to work, you need democratic informed citizen. It's basically a blessing and a burden for the people.
The US is a textbook example of how you can't have a working democracy when at least half the people get all their information from blatantly lying propaganda outlets.
@@Tasarran au contraire they didn't. On so many topics too numerous to mention here they let things slide. Walz ought to have said things like "For those of you at home Vance said this or this". I would have started with that. Plus Vance said on gun violence in schools, "get used to it". Walz did not respond with that when Vance tried to show Walz sympathy. Walz ought to have gone on to the debate stage with far more gumption- Too much Mr. Nice Guy & not enough calling out Vance's twaddle as the moderators were far too lenient.
@@bittrness tRump killed the bipartisan Southern Border Bill brought to Congress by the Republicans. He wanted to run on immigration so he told Johnson and the other Congressional Republicans to Kill The Bill. Did not want Biden getting any credit! Really thinking of the country? Check the Principal Economic Indicators under tRump and Biden/Harris. ECONOMY better under Biden. Numbers don't lie but DonOLD does!!!❗
And it's funny, for saving Obamacare, McCain was decried as a RINO. Yet Vance now wants Trump to get credit for saving it. Their lies don't even have to be consistent, they just tell them.
Everytime there was a question that Vance wasn't going to answer, he just went off and burned his 2 minutes with something nonsensical. I wish the moderators had stopped him and repeated the question. The moderators were ok, they should've cut the mic more often on Vance. Nobody was interested in his lies!
Debate moderator: Just to clarify, Springfield's Haitian migrants have legal status. Vance: The rules were you guys weren't going to Factcheck. Tells you all you need to know to vote Blue 🇺🇲🗳️🇺🇲.
And then he fact checked her? He was pointing out that the moderators are unbelievably biased, which is counter to the term "moderator." Tim Walz said plenty of false or misleading statements during the debate, why didn't she fact check him on anything? I swear, Democrats are their own worst enemy. Doing shit like that is literally what leads people to vote for Trump. And please, don't act like it's some crazy disservice to the populace to not offer live fact-checking; everyone can read the fact-checking articles after the debates. Oh, and maybe the candidates can fact check each other? You know, like a debate? By the way, I voted for Bernie is 2016 and 2020. Remember when the DNC did him dirty both times? They are not a good institution.
I don't know. A snake is a snake. You can see what it is by looking at it. You can't tell what Vance is by looking at him. He looks like your run of the mill schoolyard tough, but then apparently his daddy has money or something.
Stephen asked the critical question about the debate rules. The rules for debates need to evolve in response to the current era of rampant misinformation. With some candidates spreading lies at unprecedented levels, it's crucial that debate moderators take on the responsibility of fact-checking in real time. Without this, millions of viewers are left misinformed, especially if they haven't been closely following the news or don't verify claims on their own. Fact-checking during debates would help ensure that the public receives accurate information, fostering a more informed electorate.
Vance with his smarmy-smooth slimy lies, and we all know how vital VP's are to setting administrative policy, right? He spent the whole debate trying to circle back to blaming every perceived negative personally on Harris. He was dodgy-dissembling the whole way through. The moderators did a great job, and Walz's knowledge, genuineness and caring shone through his every word and gesture. 😁
The funniest thing about McCain doing a thumbs down is when he is thumb neutral and Mitch thinks he may vote to repeal. He has a hopeful look which is then crushed by the thumbs down.
I work for a housing rental company. A few years ago, a very old well burst its plug beneath one of the units, flooding it with crude. The tenant was reimbursed for monetary losses and relocated, but their rent did not go down. “Drill baby, drill” won’t lower housing costs.
I think he also talked about one of the healthcare provisions (maybe preexisting conditions) already being in the law. I was screaming, “yea! It’s called the ACA!” 🤦♂️ 😡
No fact checks is a mistake. In a no fast checks debate, the biggest liar will always win, because it inherently rewards lying. The non liar debater will always have to use their time to fact check themselves rather than presenting their policy, etc.. The liar will come off as confident. The non liar will come off as defensive. Journalists: fact checking is YOUR job.
No fact checks is absolutely inexcusable, given the history of tfg’s campaign to push fake news. And why should candidates be allowed to dictate the rules? Maybe take notice of how proper debating societies work: as at world-leading universities. Like the ones that Vance wants to get rid of.
I yelled at my tv every time shady vance lied. I was so angry and annoyed by the debate. Some of this bs, maga ba, started with Reagan which was 40yrs ago!!
I only counted one question Vance actually answered. It was, "no." Can't even remember the question - but his direct answer shocked me so much I remember it. LOL
How could Walz not be nervous Yes he’s the governor of Minnesota but he comes from a lot more humble past than Vance Taking that into consideration Walz did tremendously well Especially since Vance and his magadom cult gang can’t put a sentence together without a lie in it 😂
Honestly, if we (still) didn't know who Vance and Walz were and tuned in, we would have thought it was a debate between two Canadians. Also, the only "Crime Numbers" that are up are Trump's and not the Nation's.
5:51 - Colbert: They have to destroy the village to save the village. - Hayes: Gaslighting so audacious you implant retroactive suspicion in the audience for everything else. - (!)
I also noticed that Vance, multiple times, stated we need to bring back manufacturing and mass produce energy, as though we aren't already in that state, and nobody told him. They were also used a couple of times as his response, when they weren't the right type of response.
Disappointed no fact checking. How the heck could Vance have uttered the phrase that "Trump saved Obamacare"? He didn't answer who won the last election? Ugh. Walz did a great job, Vance lied (of course) but was glib and articulate for a major sleaze. Love Chris Hayes!
"...I understand why the Tramp/Vance people don't want there to be fact checks..." says it all, and I went to bed. I didn't want to have MAGAT nightmares, again. Maybe CBS could develop a new quiz show: "All The Lies You Can Get Away With in 90 Minutes".
Many people found this debate “boring” because after 8 years of spectacle we finally got a normal one. Yes, weird stuff were said, but when was the last time u saw a debate were the candidates agreed with each other on some things and even mingled at the end.
The most significant statement of the debate: “A damning non-answer”.
"...they intentionally say false things in order to create a fear reaction in the people they're talk to..." says it all.
It’s the policy of flooding the cycle with lies , it’s impossible to keep up the pace.
The lies are expected. The sad thing is that so many people BELIEVE THEM.
@@josephcrocilla1469 Sadly, it would appear that the IQ dividing line is passing right between us and them, and as a democracy depends on an educated electorate, we're in big trouble. Vote like you're listening and comprehending and not just another bot.
It worked for Hitler. 😂
"Gish Galloping."
“It’s not incidental or accidental. They intentionally say false things.” Yes, this. Thank you for saying this, Chris. Say it over and over again.
Vance downright said that's what they do I think...last week? Week before? But he did flat-out say that they make things up to "create a story", or some such BS.
You can say "i was using a meme to draw attention to ths other thing", 6ut you still hurt innocent people just fo promote your politics. Like Jesus never said "the ends justify the means".
@@ms_scribblesI think when he acknowledged that he’d embellished the pet eating story.
Don't watch the polls "Just Vote!" 🇺🇲💙😁✌️
Vote Putin's puppets out of office this November America's
The polls are pretty much locked in a dead heat. And this is no laughing matter..... It's no longer acceptable to make a poll lock joke.
If you lie more than 80% of the time you don't want to be fact-checked.
😂😂👍👍
Fact checking a Republican is like brake checking a tailgater.
I’d much rather have ACTUAL FACTS from a real person than smooth, practiced lies from a trump sociopath.
It’s funny because everyone is claiming he’s “80% lies” yet gives no evidence of this claim whatsoever. This is delusion
This. If someone complains about being fact checked or corrected, then it's usually because they know they're doing something wrong. And unfortunately in todays society and being globally connected, people can not only get away with it, but supported doing it because there's always others out there like them that'll either support them because they're the same, or not go check themselves because they're lazy.
They complain "It's a 3 on 1". Yes.... that's what happens in a group of 4 people WHEN YOU'RE THE LIAR.
When CBS refused to fact-check, I chose to NOT watch it. I do not need to waste my life listening to Vance lie.
Lucky you. I watched Vance mumble lie after lie, talking over the moderators with no respect. He’s pure evil and dangerous
A debate is almost useless without fact checking as there are many who have not closely followed the campaign and will use the debate as their version of cliff notes.
He's got a smile on his face and a pocket full of lies. Every Republican's version of the American dream.
I wanted to hear for myself what a smooth talking liar he is. He would be just as despicable a leader as his running mate. His only allegiance appears to be to money. But he won’t raise his voice. He is a very dangerous male who we must keep far away from access to the power of the Presidency.
@@Phyllis-y1lright? As they say, Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.
Tim Walz never disappoints
really ?
Trump wanted to terminate the Affordable Care Act! Another one of his Lies!!!!
Chris is always a fantastic guest on LSSC, he's funny, brilliant, informative, and he and Stephen have great chemistry
Chris is great anywhere, anytime!
@@anitawebster9450 I so wish they'd bring back those townhall-style sessions that he started just before Covid hit. He's perfect with a live audience.
Trump finally put out his alternative to Obamacare, it's called DonTcare.
I would say WhoCares but this is even better.
Well played!
Hahahaha love this! 🤣
DonTcare sounds like Dentcare...clean teeth are important
Luv it.
Shady Vance appeared “smooth” and calm only because he is a sociopath.
Yes!
And liar. All they do is lie.
Well said.
@@JayGnay Very practiced at it, the life story of Shady Vance. Probably the same reason he is on his fourth name change.
@@davidmccarthy6061 agree, completely
All future debates should have no audiences present, mics cut off between questions and responses, and fact checking with moderators speaking to each infraction.
Vance is very comfortable misleading people.
Thiel’s sock puppet.
He has changed his name 3 times, pretends to be from hillbilly-land, but was born and raised in the suburbs. Phony as the day is long.
When billionaire Peter Theil (PayPal) came along and offered him millions to become a politician under Theil’s mentoring , he’ll say anything. It’s pathetic.
I
You've heard the phrase "the blind leading the blind", haven't you?
In this case it is the bland leading the bland. (Intellectually speaking.)
Shady Vance admitted it when he said that if he has to make up stories to get his point across, like the cats and dogs thing, he would do it. Sounds like something a heterosectional furniture sex addict would say. (No, per Shady, it's not our job to fact check rumors.)
Vance lies and gaslights without any conscience.
The perfect American trilogy...Dump, Vance and First Lady Loomer
i thought they already kicked loomer out
the list of audacious lies is long!
like the blatant lie of Trump being an anti-war president
watch a non exhaustive listing of Trump's warmongering
by Mehdi Hasan
Trump licked her out?
@chitahitsu4743 she's female so, to them, disposable.
Walz is authentic, shady is anything but!! & yes, Tim was much better after the first break - & just got better 👍💙💙💙💙
Yeah...he looked like a Deer in Headlights at the opening.
Shady JD
Walz is a partisan. Vance is a mercenary.
A partisan believes in the cause.
A mercenary fights for the highest bidder.
Love Chris Hayes ❤❤❤
💙💙💙
"I thought we weren't going to be fact-checked..." = "I thought you were going to let me get away with lying..."
Perfect translation!
That is exactly what they negotiated for, free lies on CBS. And he couldn't even deal with being checked once.
Does common knowledge for the educated count as fact checking? No, trump tried to kill obama care without replacement every chance he got along with anything that would make the dems look good like their border proposal. Anyone that follows the news knows that. no magats of course.
Fact checking a Republican is like brake checking a tailgater. It's only going to make him angry and if anything bad happens he's going to try to convince everyone that it was your fault.
@@PhilLesh69 I swivel my rear view so their f'ing super bright lights can blind them - they can start to get mad then realize they are blinding themselves.
Vance is a liar, period
That's why I'm focusing on the future.
By the way, weren't you better off four years ago?
@@VladimirPutin-p3t no
Was ANY ONE better off 4 years ago ??? That was the beginning of the pandemic
& we had shutdowns of everything & a president ACTIVELY MURDERING HIS OWN CITIZENS ( just like his buddy putin is now) by telling them to INJECT BLEACH into THEMSELVES & NOT WEAR MASK !!!😥 6:58 😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I DON'T UNDERSTAND how ANYONE can TRUST t...p about ANYTHING after that!!!
@@VladimirPutin-p3t no. What maga has done to my mental state cannot be measured on paper.
But, it sure did clear up any doubt about my stupid "friends!
They are no longer in my life 🎉
@@VladimirPutin-p3t In the middle of a pandemic, so no
Vance - slippery like a snake
Vance is slippery. Snakes are not.
Just like t...p & his minions.
Snakes: useful in the ecosystem
More like a slug.
VANCE kick butt. Amazing
Looking forward? Clearly, Kamala is the candidate.
Future = scary.
@@PhilLesh69 Only for those with no optimism.
Signs of a sociopath
• behavior conflicting with social norms, repeatedly pushes the envelope into uncharted territory.
• disregarding or violating the rights of others, insubordinate to any form of authority.
• unconcerned in distinguishing between right and wrong.
• inability to show remorse, for they have none, void of empathy.
• tendency to lie often, repeatedly, automatically. Behaves in a risky, impulsive, dangerous manner.
• extremely manipulative, exploits others without any care of who gets hurt.
• no conscience or guilt, refusal to accept responsibility for their actions, claiming ownership in the success of others.
"no conscience or guilt" - that is a psychopath like trump (and my brother - haven't talked to in 40 years - not academic to me) - a sociopath might have a conscience but they don't pay much attention to it regarding their actions. Vance is just a run of the mill opportunistic puppet with a whim of steel. "I called him all of those names before I knew him. He's all those things but I want a piece of it - I want to ride that train so I might be conductor some day." Keep your food taster donnie. Your buddy has big plans.
Excellent definition.
@@jedwing It's text book, and so are trump/vance. There will be chapters on them in clinical psychology books some day.
A) Trump and his father early in his adulthood ,after NYC's adoption of laws making certain "landlord practices" criminal, commits repeated discrimination of minorities in multiple cities, unchecked. And tools up a mob money laundering boost of his coffers, learned from his dad and Roy Cohn at the same time. He has NEVER been legit.
B) Trump spewing toxic Asbestos particulate, in clouds, onto the New York City streets and air spaces. More recently: Trump violating the FCC Broadcaster's Oath HE TOOK by uttering a criminal level, violence inciting, racist hoax on a national broadcast. That is NOT protected speech. That is HATE SPEECH, nation damaging hate speech, and it is specifically what is NOT protected. And especially if when committed, harm and damage was done.
C) Trump walked in to the dressing room of minor children after deliberately waiting until they were in near full undress, later bragging to Howard Stern and the nation that he "had a right to do it". AND STILL believes that to this day.
D) Trump was directly responsible for no less than 13 deaths of Ukraine soldiers when he held up a fully approved and packaged, waiting on the tarmac ordnance and munitions shipment as he CRIMINALLY attempted to involve the president of Ukraine in his new "Smear Biden" campaign strategy. His Quid Pro Quo manipulation attempt got him impeached, but it should have gotten him reviled and decried by all. It brought shame to the nation, and I must be the only one who could tell that Volodymyr wanted badly to do America a huge favor as he stood next to the man who encouraged Putin to invade his nation.
E) Trump has lied and been a criminal his entire adult life with not one day passing where he did not commit a crime, or lie or both together.
F) Trump is a pyramid scam wannabe winner who could not even win at that and he is still doing it. He may know he is now finally going down and the hate dirigible that is Donald John Trump is beginning to burst and leak. So expect to see lies and hatred spewed all about in all directions as his date with his keepers approaches.
G) Or blaming others for his failures. To him that tallies as another sucksess.
I LOVE the way Chris Hayes explains things to those of us who try to follow politics but need things in more laymen terms. It's one of the reasons he's one of my favorite newspersons.
Agree🎉
Yes i haven’t heard him much. Usually commentators make my ears go numb but but I’m going to seek him out now.
Couldn’t watch the debate. Just seeing Vance’s picture makes my skin crawl. I’m Canadian so I obviously can’t vote, but if if Drump & Co. get in, the effect on America’s allies and the rest of the world would be immeasurable. I’m begging Americans to vote 💙
Same. Love ❤️ from Australia 🇦🇺
*GREEN EGGS AND VANCE*
*_We do not like this J.D. Vance_*
*_We do not like his empty pants_*
*_We do not like his farm of ants_*
*_We will not take him to the dance_*
*_We do not like him in a tree,_*
*_We do not buy his elegy._*
*_We do not like his little scam_*
*_He does not speak for Uncle Sam_*
(I am)
~~ Dr. Suez
Shady Vance wears lady pants
When he does the hoochie coochie dance
He’s known for his rants and his couch romance
Which fails to enhance his stance with his aunts
_(Don’t ask what he did to his aunts’ house plants)_
This South Australian loves the Stephen Colbert show. So many Aussies appreciate seeing the reality of Trump and Vance speeches and do not appreciate the EX Australian Murdoch's Extreme Right Fox Network presenters' propaganda.
Thank you. I agree and you are appreciated for your intelligence, support and friendship. Love from New York. 🗽Voting ALL BLUE 💙
I'm a South Aussie too, Lyn, and I totally second that!
Lol, the other day I stumbled on a Twitter account called "Is Rupert Murdoch Dead?" that only posts one thing (so far), once a day:
"He's still alive"
I wonder, after that inevitable day where they have to post something else, what will become of the account...
I'm in North Australia (Canada 😂) and I agree
Im South Australian too, vote blue guys, save the world 🗳🙏💙@@sheilaboston7051
Vance is less a smooth talker than an habitual liar. People struggle with verbal fluidity when they are attempting to stick to a coherent truthful statement or position.
He’s smoother than Trump, so he gets credit for lying more fluently. He’s still a liar, though.
Well said @paulbrazel5444
He was trying hard to remember the scrip/taglines at times - kind of stiff and forced. The american people, I'm a victim (like you implied) etc. Oh yeah, need to keep working that stuff in like they said too. magas eat it up. Wals didn't do that.
More habitual treasonist.
Treason is a capital punishment, start punishing your crimes or expect more people to break them. JD Vance is following the ideology of Curtis Yarvin and he is a very dangerous individual who is only using the chaos of Donald Trump to get into power. Realise how literally close to the end of your country you have gotten... 🤐
He's also a Republican so he only knows a few words to begin with. Sometimes he's simply struggling to find a word that fits in the sentence.
Excellent 'Young Americans' from the band.. 💙
I heard that.
If one candidate is caught constantly lying, this should disqualify her*him pretty automatically from getting elected. In a working democracy where the people generally have a clue about politics. And you need that in a working demoracy.
In a sane world even floating the IDEA that your side was against fact-checking should be immediately disqualifying. In THIS world we're running 50% against a convicted sex offender and felon who's currently under indictment for effectively leading an Organized Crime ring (multiple RICO violations). Truly the world has lost its mind. Now let us all cross fingers that Israel doesn't "accidentally" a nuclear war with Iran+Russia before November.
Too bad we don't have a working democracy. What with money in politics, jerrymandering, and court stacking.
@@IaIaCthulhuFtagn That adds to it, but I was more referring to the idea that for democracy to work, you need democratic informed citizen. It's basically a blessing and a burden for the people.
The US is a textbook example of how you can't have a working democracy when at least half the people get all their information from blatantly lying propaganda outlets.
Vance spoke only drivel & the hosts did not push back, that was total twaddle & horrible
They did push back; they fact checked him and muted his ass when he tried to 'splain it to them...
@@Tasarran Yep, that was the best part. :)
@@Tasarran au contraire they didn't. On so many topics too numerous to mention here they let things slide. Walz ought to have said things like "For those of you at home Vance said this or this". I would have started with that. Plus Vance said on gun violence in schools, "get used to it". Walz did not respond with that when Vance tried to show Walz sympathy. Walz ought to have gone on to the debate stage with far more gumption- Too much Mr. Nice Guy & not enough calling out Vance's twaddle as the moderators were far too lenient.
yeah I noticed the hosts/moderators gave Vance a MILE! made me so mad.. the LET him railroad everything -
or for the most part any way.
@@Tasarran they "muted" him one time when it should have been MORE. Made me crazy. Trump taught him well.
Vance/Trump don't believe what you see and what you hear, just believe what we tell you to believe.
Absolutely. And the horrifying aspect of this is that too many Americans have bought in to this!
VOTING ALL BLUE 💙💙💙⚖️🗽🇺🇸
And they believe
Yep, don't believe your lying eyes...
@@marjoriegarland2798yayy four more years of overpriced goods, housing, and open borders 🥰🎉
@@bittrness tRump killed the bipartisan Southern Border Bill brought to Congress by the Republicans. He wanted to run on immigration so he told Johnson and the other Congressional Republicans to Kill The Bill. Did not want Biden getting any credit! Really thinking of the country?
Check the Principal Economic Indicators under tRump and Biden/Harris. ECONOMY better under Biden. Numbers don't lie but DonOLD does!!!❗
Shady sure has earned his nickname without any doubt.
Don't insult Eminem like that.
McCain saved Obamacare. May he rest in peace.
One of the very few good things he did. He was my senator for years. He’s not as much of a hero as people would like you to believe.
And it's funny, for saving Obamacare, McCain was decried as a RINO. Yet Vance now wants Trump to get credit for saving it. Their lies don't even have to be consistent, they just tell them.
Yes he did, many people benefit from it and are grateful.
I didn’t not agree with his political views, but I never doubted he’d give his life for America.
@@howardhughes7596 Not to you but for many people he was. It's hard to please everybody in the room.
Everytime there was a question that Vance wasn't going to answer, he just went off and burned his 2 minutes with something nonsensical. I wish the moderators had stopped him and repeated the question. The moderators were ok, they should've cut the mic more often on Vance. Nobody was interested in his lies!
Vance lied all the way through the debate.
Tim Walz won. It was a slow build to that. He was gentlemanly AND factual, and it became clearer as the debate went on Vance had no there, there.
Vance reminded me of Lionel Hutz from The Simpsons, but far more spineless. Lying-wise, spot on.
I agree. Vance was polished, a great communicator during the debate. Same as con-men/women. Otherwise, they wont be able to fool anyone.
You mean "polished" like a brass door knob is "polished", right?
You're not exactly a "communicator" when everything you "communicate" is false, but he is certainly a very slick con-man.
He reminds me of an abuser/gas-lighter. ... Well, obviously he's a gas-lighter.
We love chris hayes and stephen colbert
JD Vance wanted to mansplain to the two women...On brand...
Yep. Bad Move. Any woman with a brain was not having it!
DonOlds, is the absolutely oldest presidential candidate, would you want Vance as president?
He wanted to mansplain to the women who controlled his mic...
@@j.dunlop8295Absolutey NOT!!! 😱💙💙💙
@@j.dunlop8295 **shudder**
Debate moderator: Just to clarify, Springfield's Haitian migrants have legal status.
Vance: The rules were you guys weren't going to Factcheck.
Tells you all you need to know to vote Blue 🇺🇲🗳️🇺🇲.
and for anyone still undecided
Vance: Now let me mansplain to you
@@pmclaughlin4111 😆😅💯👏 🎯
@@pmclaughlin4111 "Thank you for explaining the law to us." 🤣
And then he fact checked her? He was pointing out that the moderators are unbelievably biased, which is counter to the term "moderator." Tim Walz said plenty of false or misleading statements during the debate, why didn't she fact check him on anything? I swear, Democrats are their own worst enemy. Doing shit like that is literally what leads people to vote for Trump. And please, don't act like it's some crazy disservice to the populace to not offer live fact-checking; everyone can read the fact-checking articles after the debates. Oh, and maybe the candidates can fact check each other? You know, like a debate?
By the way, I voted for Bernie is 2016 and 2020. Remember when the DNC did him dirty both times? They are not a good institution.
Jd Chucky vance is the snake-trump keeps talking about-be careful Americans.
J.d. Vance is a snake in the grass.
100%
Honesty of George Santos.
smarmy comes to mind🤔
I don't know. A snake is a snake. You can see what it is by looking at it. You can't tell what Vance is by looking at him. He looks like your run of the mill schoolyard tough, but then apparently his daddy has money or something.
Just Like Drump 🐍🐍😊
Stephen asked the critical question about the debate rules.
The rules for debates need to evolve in response to the current era of rampant misinformation. With some candidates spreading lies at unprecedented levels, it's crucial that debate moderators take on the responsibility of fact-checking in real time. Without this, millions of viewers are left misinformed, especially if they haven't been closely following the news or don't verify claims on their own. Fact-checking during debates would help ensure that the public receives accurate information, fostering a more informed electorate.
“False stuff”. Why are still not calling it LIES?
Thanks for having Chris Hayes on your show tonight.
The Lawrence O'Donnell quote is mint!!!
Thank you Chris Hayes. Tim Walz definitely won.
Walz actually answered questions, Vance just lied and obfuscated.
JD Vance in "Return to Sarah Palin" featuring her one hit wonder: Drill Baby Drill!
When DJT says that, I imagine it is "drill, baby drill" - like "Bond, James Bond" and it refers to a baby sized drill for his baby sized hands. ;)
@@nevillehoward8736 That is truly "LOL" Thanks for the laugh!!
Love Chris Hayes
Using the phrase "everyone remembers" doesn’t fly.
We should now ask the question, “which one of these men would you trust to babysit your children?”
You could have ended it after the word ‘trust.’
In the future, debates should automatically come with Fact Checking! If you want the undecided voters to tune in we need the Truth. Full Stop!
John McCain saved Obamacare.
Vance sounded like a toddler: "The rules said you wouldn't fact check!"
Sounded like the conman he is getting caught red-handed.
👍👍😂😂
I am glad they were civil.
I appreciated how they talked to each other and not yelled
Vance with his smarmy-smooth slimy lies, and we all know how vital VP's are to setting administrative policy, right? He spent the whole debate trying to circle back to blaming every perceived negative personally on Harris. He was dodgy-dissembling the whole way through. The moderators did a great job, and Walz's knowledge, genuineness and caring shone through his every word and gesture. 😁
The funniest thing about McCain doing a thumbs down is when he is thumb neutral and Mitch thinks he may vote to repeal. He has a hopeful look which is then crushed by the thumbs down.
I work for a housing rental company.
A few years ago, a very old well burst its plug beneath one of the units, flooding it with crude.
The tenant was reimbursed for monetary losses and relocated, but their rent did not go down.
“Drill baby, drill” won’t lower housing costs.
Trump has never had an original thought in his life. Except trying to steal his dad’s money b4 he died. 😮
Everyone needs to learn what gaslighting is. I guarantee the red hats in my town do not know what gaslighting is. Nor do they really care.
My sister bought into Mama's gaslighting, and decades after Mama's death, still defends the bs.
"you said you wouldn't fact check me"
In that moment, he lost the debate.
as far as I'm concerned he lost BEFORE the debate but that's me. lol
I think he also talked about one of the healthcare provisions (maybe preexisting conditions) already being in the law. I was screaming, “yea! It’s called the ACA!” 🤦♂️ 😡
No fact checks is a mistake. In a no fast checks debate, the biggest liar will always win, because it inherently rewards lying. The non liar debater will always have to use their time to fact check themselves rather than presenting their policy, etc.. The liar will come off as confident. The non liar will come off as defensive. Journalists: fact checking is YOUR job.
Perfectly stated. I could not agree more.
No fact checks is absolutely inexcusable, given the history of tfg’s campaign to push fake news. And why should candidates be allowed to dictate the rules? Maybe take notice of how proper debating societies work: as at world-leading universities. Like the ones that Vance wants to get rid of.
So true!
So what Chris Hayes is saying is that their actions are coming back to bite them in the ass and they weren't expecting that. Intriguing.
And why isn't lying in a debate or campaign illegal, just out of general principle?
There are plenty of people willing to believe those lies.
The best I've heard was on the Harris/ Trump debate and the woman described it as
"Trump had his toupee snatched" brilliant.
Walz did very well. He stayed true to himself and told the truth. That is a guy I want as our VP.
Thank you Mr. Ed
For those old enough to remember Leave it to Beaver - Vance is Eddie Haskell.
I yelled at my tv every time shady vance lied. I was so angry and annoyed by the debate.
Some of this bs, maga ba, started with Reagan which was 40yrs ago!!
That’s when the Heritage Foundation’s plan first became reality, during Regan’s administration in the early 80’s
Walz was nervous; and he spoke truth and facts.
Anyone who objects to fact-checking wants to spead lies unhampered.
I only counted one question Vance actually answered. It was, "no." Can't even remember the question - but his direct answer shocked me so much I remember it. LOL
Vance showed up, was well-groomed, and simply lied his ass off.
❤Gracias!
How could Walz not be nervous
Yes he’s the governor of Minnesota but he comes from a lot more humble past than Vance
Taking that into consideration Walz did tremendously well
Especially since Vance and his magadom cult gang can’t put a sentence together without a lie in it 😂
exactly! 👍👍💯💯👏👏💙💙💙💙
I always enjoy seeing Chris Hayes,listening to his wise and Intellectual commentary.
JD Vance says he is not interested in looking back. Tell that to Trump. All he DOES is look back! To the 1950s!
Best interview ever! Thank you Stephen!
Not only should the candidates be fact-checked, but I also want the News Media to be fact-checked.
When I watch Chris Hayes I think of a cup of coffee. He should do a morning show.
Honestly, if we (still) didn't know who Vance and Walz were and tuned in, we would have thought it was a debate between two Canadians. Also, the only "Crime Numbers" that are up are Trump's and not the Nation's.
As a Canadian I will take this as a compliment...Go Blue 💙
@@ClayBall-im1km LOL! You should! Canada definitely has 'soft power' projection in our Midwest, at least. I don't mind it.
Both you guys are fabulous
Love watching you both
What's that Lassie? JD's fallen down the well?! Well...
Okay then. 😊👍🏼
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5:51
- Colbert: They have to destroy the village to save the village.
- Hayes: Gaslighting so audacious you implant retroactive suspicion in the audience for everything else.
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Governor Walz is too decent, it's not his style to be confrontational.
They should have had a chyron running across the bottom of the screen with all the fact checks that they DIDN'T do! 💙
Walz nailed it. He won. Harris Walz USA 🇺🇸 2024
I also noticed that Vance, multiple times, stated we need to bring back manufacturing and mass produce energy, as though we aren't already in that state, and nobody told him. They were also used a couple of times as his response, when they weren't the right type of response.
You said you wouldn't expose my lies!!
Walz appeared nervous but authentic
Vance was slick and artificial
The biggest lie was when the moderator looked Vancey in the eye and said 'pleased to meet you'.
Disappointed no fact checking. How the heck could Vance have uttered the phrase that "Trump saved Obamacare"? He didn't answer who won the last election? Ugh. Walz did a great job, Vance lied (of course) but was glib and articulate for a major sleaze. Love Chris Hayes!
Walz told the truth. Shady Vance told lies. Nothing new last night.
"...I understand why the Tramp/Vance people don't want there to be fact checks..." says it all, and I went to bed. I didn't want to have MAGAT nightmares, again. Maybe CBS could develop a new quiz show: "All The Lies You Can Get Away With in 90 Minutes".
🗳️🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🗽🇺🇸🗽🇺🇸🗽🇺🇸 Up and down the ballots 💙💙💙💙 Harris/ Walz 2024
It seems like Vance believes that election was not stolen but was so scared of Trump's rage!!
"That was a damning non-answer"
When Vance was going on and on, preaching nonsense, Walz SHOULD'VE turned to him, and asked,
"Mr Vance, what color is the sky....in YOUR world?"
I wouldn’t buy a used car from JD Vance!
Very well said and explained.
The larger the liar, the greater the lie.
Many people found this debate “boring” because after 8 years of spectacle we finally got a normal one. Yes, weird stuff were said, but when was the last time u saw a debate were the candidates agreed with each other on some things and even mingled at the end.
Vance is a modern day Eddie Haskell (from Leave it to Beaver for the people under 50).