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I hate that they turned her into a rapist or attempted rapist, totally ruined her character, on the other hand Emmy shined as an actress and she's lovely in real life, it's just Allison being awful, i hope people aren't sending her hate or something, sometimes people can't tell the difference between actor and character especially when it's women, they start hating the actresses over a character...
@@ascent8487 yeah but Diego is right, as long as Viktor feels happy and understood and knows he is loved that's what matters , trans people don't throw parties because they came out, lol (as far as I know) but that was sweet of Luther. He still made him the groom for his wedding, that's more appropriate.
@@ascent8487 I am a trans person, and we really don't want a gender reveal party lol. We just want that life goes on, as normal as it is, like, beeing trans is nothing special, this is only one thing in a million things in our lives, and we are ok keeping it simple.
Just love how inclusive this show feels, no matter somebody’s race or sexual identity, all the characters are so likeable. This is a real modern family
OMG! This is perhaps the best expression I’ve heard these days. I’m 44 so I don’t think I’m too old and I’m pretty open minded, but I get so lost with all these new classifiers and labels. I understand the need to feel seen and understood, but sometimes I wish that saying “I’m just Me” would be enough. But alas we do not live in a perfect world.
@@melizzavelez6823 I'm 33, and I've had my fair share of struggle trying to figure out who I am and where do I fit, and when I realized I don't own anyone an explanation for being different, is when I finally started to feel at peace with myself
Well when you have a disability, you're going to lead a very hard life. I know that first hand. So it is unfortunate for us who are disabled that we can't do some things that everyone else who are normal can. So I can kind of understand why he said that. Is not an insult. Is just the reality.
I love hearing about umbrella academy but why would you say "unfortunately" about Tom's son being autistic, and why are you dead naming Elliot? His character's name is Viktor now too.
Why would it be unfortunate that people have cognitive difficulties? You would wish someone to have a more difficult life? You would not find it unfortunate that the parents have to do additional research and have additional stresses beyond those common to all parents? As for Elliot Page, there are two people in his relationship with his ex-wife, himself and Porteney (?) who is a lesbian. I know that it is common for trans people to state that they were always trans, however I very much doubt that information was given to his ex-wife before they married or for several years into the relationship. To be fair, I don't believe Elliot himself realized all of this information, and that he did not deliberately deceive her in any way. He was discovering who he was. But if you try to rewrite history with Elliot having always been a man then yes, it does look like he deceived her and lied to everyone. When you write history, there are two ways to write it, and one of those ways is by presenting the information available at the time and following the progression of the story as new information is revealed and how people reacted to it. That is the method the writer used, and I think doing so painted a picture of Elliot's relationship that was both accurate and fair to both of the people in it.
Autism is not just "difficulties" we think in a different way, have special interests and many of us have benefits like exceptionally good memory, the ability to solve math problems quickly, higher IQ etc. We are not be pitied, and most autistic people are either proud of their autism is brainwashed by ableism
@@simonejun6115 One of my ex bosses has autistic twins. One is non verbal. The other has a handful of words. They're frequently violent and beat up their parents. When last I spoke with her, she and her husband were having arguments over putting the kids in a special living facility. And it was tearing them apart because they both loved the kids, but they were not able to manage the children's needs any more. I daily see less extreme stories of autistic people and those who live with them and the extra work that often has to be put into that situation to make the relationship work and to assist in the care and raising of the autistic person, and how that work is freely done out of love and family duty, but that extra work still exists. I know it's a spectrum and that there can even be advantages, but there's always difficulties listed in learning to speak with people, understand what they mean, and cope with the world because of the different viewpoint. And to not be willing to acknowledge such difficulties is gaslighting and invalidating to people who have to live with them. There needs to be a balance in supporting people with disabilities, whether mental or physical, and their families, while still acknowledging that the disability exists and can cause challenges with the level of difficulty to be determined by the individual and the people around them.
@@jenniferhanses7064 "unfortunately" means that they would rather have a kid without autism. So a different kid. It's basically saying "I don't like having an autistic child and I don't love them and consider them a burden"
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@@kira-zk6op Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness and we are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better
And that's exactly why the caption of that part of the video says "Elliot page as Vanya" and at 8:35 the voiceover refers to him as he should... Because it's the actors' backstories, the narrator included Elliot and Viktor's journeys to finding who they truly are. I know it is compelling to want to defend trans, but please understand that these people don't mean any harm and you should know the full situation before getting angry and/or offended for them.
So I've noticed the deadnaming and misgendering in the video - but it seems to come more from a place of not being informed on trans people as opposed to active malice. I doubt the creator will see this but just in case they do (and this could be helpful to anyone else reading), when referring to a trans person in the past (pre-transition), you should still use their current name and pronouns as opposed to the old ones, and then clarifying if necessary if the person in question is comfortable about sharing that information
Thank you for saying this! My friends and family refer to my older brother by his dead name, and former pronouns when talking about him pre-transition. I correct them but it still hurts to see a lot of people not being aware online and in turn cause hurtfulness unintentionally.
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THIS, THANK YOU, I keep having to tell my family this everytime i see them cause they'll refer to younger me by my dead name everytime and I just ugh horrible
Okay I am very open-minded, but am growing up in a household not so much so, we are all struggling to understand but are trying to.... That being said I don't want to be offensive and have a genuine question: is it still not okay to call Elliot Ellen when giving backstory on his life because at one point in time (even though Elliot has always been Elliot and he/they, that's who he is), Elliot was called Ellen in real life and wasn't out yet? Idk if that made sense so to restate the question: is it not okay to call Elliot Ellen when giving a backstory on his life because the name Ellen was once a reality for him? Also his previous wife is a lesbian who fell in love with a woman at the time (even if it is a dead name or misgendering, it did happen that way) and it makes more sense to state history as it happened in reality
@@tobwrld Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness and we are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
@@starveilvalley yeah but it’s not like he found out about him being trans as soon as it got to his “coming out” part of the storyline. I wouldn’t want people misgendering me when talking about my past, if I was in Elliot’s position. It’s just not right. The channel did a mistake.
Personal Lives of the actor/actress should never affect the story according to the writers, it’s their creation at the end of the day, to change it simply because of someone deciding to change their gender is abhorrent and selfish.
Also the lack of correct pro nouns and the fact that he is not an actress , he is an actor it’s really bugging me the blatant misgendering glad someone has said it .
Is the show transphobic by calling vanya she and her and vanya before she realised her gender as he transitioned into Victor and not going back and digitally changing the name vanya and the pronouns to Victor and he? Maybe we should cancel the show. They did the same thing as this video.
Addressing a trans person in the past tense is not an excuse to deadname/misgender them. Elliot Page 3 years ago is no one else but Elliot, calling him anything else is fallacious. Elliot did not come into existence upon his coming out. Referring to a trans person with their deadname/incorrect pronouns is inherently transphobic, no matter the situation.
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To be fair they did say he& elliot consistently as soon they got to that part of the history, like they were talking about elliots past in which he DID identify as female & lesbian, then they got to the history of him coming out as trans & referred to him as "he" consistently from then on
Everyone in this comment section that is being rude about dead naming needs to stop gaslighting this yt creator. It's very transphobic of all of you to try to speak for Elliot Page. You don't speak for him, so shut it.
I think it goes without saying that Elliot would not want his deadname used and spread around without his permission. He has stated they go by Elliot and use he/they pronouns so why would he be okay with this channel not respecting that? Ofc nobody can speak for him but surely using his preferred name and pronouns is better than using their old ones.
Don't be so offended over every little thing. They were talking about Elliot before when he was Ellen for context because at the time of the videos (when she came out as a lesbian & got married), Elliot was a she. Eventually, they did use 'he' to refer to Elliot.
@@jessicamerced9116 i understand, but as a trans person, i wouldnt want someone-even if theyre talking about pre-transition me-to deadname and misgender me. the creator of this video EASILY couldve said "pre-transition elliot" and other things like that. but no, they didnt.
@@jessicamerced9116 there is no excuse for using someone’s dead name to describe them, even if it is pre-transition (unless you are specifically given permission to do so by the trans person themselves).
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The fact that you keep calling Elliot by his deadname really rubs me off the wrong way, that’s so irrespecutful. His name is Elliot, his character name is Viktor, just because you’re talking about his character in season one, that’s not an excuse to misgender him.
They only use the name Ellen in past tense which I feel is appropriate. I'm not the final word end all that be all obviously but Elliot hasn't expressed any negativity towards this. But again, I dunno I guess it varies between individuals. Personally by default I'll go with the current preference, but I'll admit I occasionally slip. Especially with someone like Page who I've followed since Hard Candy (my BFF went to school with... him) so sometimes I catch myself slipping on gendering. But I try. Literally the least I can do. I could rant on about how infuriating it is when people intentionally dead name or misgender but... who has the time or energy
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Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
To be fair they did say he& elliot consistently as soon they got to that part of the history, like they were talking about elliots past in which he DID identify as female & lesbian, then they got to the history of him coming out as trans & referred to him as "he" consistently from then on
@@kalekoi no its not, the video made a mistake, it wasn’t being “extremely transphobic” you must live in a sheltered bubble if you think this was bad. Ive heard worse and my trans friends have experienced worse, your fight is useless
I felt the same. Is it really that hard to use the right name and pronouns?! I mean the person who made this video wrote it, recorded it and edited it. They had SO many opportunities to see their mistakes. "journalism"... My god. A real journalist educates themselves in the subjects they're talking about and the people they're talking about and they use the right vocabulary. Is it really that difficult...?
@@vato4917 they are doing something actually (sorry I don't know @kalekoi 's pronouns). When someone is being racist, homophobic or sexist I hope you say something to make them understand that they can't treat someone like that. It's the same about transphobia. Because here, this is transphobic. The person who made this video wrote it, recorded it and edited it. They could see they made a mistake. They didn't because they're probably not educated in transness. And as a "journalist" you don't make an article or a video or anything else if you don't know the subject you want to talk about. Same for those who don't know a damn about transness but love to make us hear their opinion they have on it. And please, do you think Elliot has the time and the energy to correct every transphobics there are on the Internet?
Autism is not something to fix. It can't be fixed. It's not a trait with which a kid is "unfortunately" born. It is a neurodevelopmental disorder which forces/allows people to experience life differently (and I'm not sugarcoating it). The real misfortune is that society is not designed to accommodate benevolent neurodivergencies, such as autism, while ableism, misrepresentation and absence of education on the subject are the rule. A fact that leads to autism becoming truly disabilitating for people on the spectrum. The clip picked for this video portrays maybe inexperienced or uneducated parents at the time it was recorded. It's a shame that this particular clip was the one chosen for a video regarding a generally diverse and inclusive series. It perpetuates ableistic and offensive views in the best case.
Not transphobic and also have no problem calling him Elliott but do have a problem with everyone who feels they have to say something when it had nothing to do with them. If Elliott had a problem he's a big boy and can stand up for himself.
Yeah. I feel like the Trans community are reading too deep into this, getting themselves involved when nothing is being directly said to them, or targeted at them, and they're getting themselves hurt for no reason. As I've said before it's all about perspectives. We can see things in a positive light and take Elliots journey as a good thing instead of looking at things in a darker light & twisting everything out of proportions. Everybody think they know what Elliot wants by forming their own opinions about things but how would they know what Elliot wants? Do they talk to him on the daily? I've seen many other Trans youtubers who share their journeys on here and honestly it's quite a beautiful thing. There is no shame with knowing about a person's past and where they came from.
This is so funny in an absurd way. You just straight-up revealed that you think of Elliot as a woman while criticizing someone else for referring to him with the wrong pronouns. It's like a joke from a sitcom or something.
@@Sabrina-gv1zf when you talk about a trans person, you use the pronouns they're using now, even when you're talking about their past life. If you don't, you're misgendering them. And if you think that's OK to do so, then you're transphobic my friend.
@@imnoorv I just learned that right now, definitely am not transphobic, just don't know everything. Thanks for clarifying! I actually was not aware of that
@@Sabrina-gv1zf it's ok to not know everything. That's completely human and normal. It's ok to make mistakes, understand what you did wrong, apologise if it impacted someone else and then make sure to not make this mistake again. I didn't wanna sound rude... Sorry. But please, if you don't know a subject, educate yourself before talking about it. You'll be sure you won't hurt anybody. Especially when it's about an oppressed minority or a community. And about the pronouns, ask the person, it's better. Everyone is different. I heard some trans people saying they didn't care if someone talks about them in the past with the pronouns they used before. But most of us don't like it...
Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page!
To be fair they did say he& elliot consistently as soon they got to that part of the history, like they were talking about elliots past in which he DID at THAT time identify as female & lesbian, then they got to the history of him coming out as trans & referred to him as "he" consistently from then on
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How dare you disrespect him like that, he is not gay and the character name is not vania its victor for god sake. This channel is a disgrace and does not support the lgbt+ community. HOW DARE YOU DEADNAME HIM?! shame on you.
even though I agree, no need to attack him like that? he was doing it in a timeline so at that point he (Elliot) thought he was gay but then found out he was trans, though the guy should have used his pronouns and name you’re just being rude - from a flm
If you go back and watch that part, listen carefully. He starts off as Ellen Page, shows Ellen Page and uses the pronoun 'her'. The second he mentioned transgender he switched pronouns to 'he' and it was now Elliot. There was nothing disrespectful about it, it was a timeline of events.
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I understand what you were doing BUT NEVER refer to a trans person w their dead name & former pronouns. Even when referencing the past. Huge mistake. Please apologize.
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Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
Should I cancel the show because they didn't digitally change the name vanya to Victor every time it was mentioned in season 1,2 snd 3? Before he transitioned?
Eliot Page exists. I’m glad. Ellen Page also once existed. Are we seriously supposed to forget all the acting achievements of that person? These comments are gross. You’re not enlightened. You’re much more small minded than you all seem to think. Stop patting yourselves on the backs.
I can accept that to a point. There is a part of me that hurts for the physical being that once existed and who apparently must be rubbed out. They were born into the world this way. They existed. Why is that an insult to the woke world?
@@deeplander ok but elliot went on a journey from being a gay women to a trans man, that was a real journey he went on & through, for many years he identified as a gay woman, now he identifies as a trans man( which is thats so great & lovely& amazing- he should live the life that feels authentic to him, all should be happy for him & anyone who isnt is a just a confused hateful person who probably hates themselves too) but like yes if they were ALWAYS a man& always identified as a man than it wouldnt be a TRANSISTION, i dont think elliot is under some kind of delusion that they didnt live half their life publicly as a woman & lesbian, sure he may never have felt right or comfortable until he transistioned but elliot DID live their life as a woman& WAS a self identified lesbian for many years of his life, and thats OK & then they came out as trans and THATS OK too, the point is that this video DID consistently use he/elliot consistently & only as soon as they got to that part of the history- now you can argue that the should have used he & elliot the entire time thats perfectly fair, but they were talking about elliots past when he DID publicly identify as female & lesbian& they told the whole story of him coming out (first as a lesbian women& second as trans man) at which point they only used he & eliot from then on, again you can say that wasnt improper but it is clear that the intent wasnt based in transphobia or disrespect otherwise they wouldnt have used he/eliot from that point on- it seems clear they were trying to tell the story of that journey not be disrespectful & while its fair to make the case why it should be done differently I really dont think it helps ANYONE ecspecially not trans people to react in such a hostile way when someone clearly was not intending to be disrespectful EVEN If it felt disrespectful in your view- the goal should never to be to shame & outrage & scold people who make a mistake or arent fully aware of something it should be to INFORM& EDUCATE to hopefully make them aware in the future, otherwise its exactly these kind of reactions are what FEED so much of the backlash& anti trans anti woke hysteria & it comes off like obnoxious virtue signaling which only turns people away & into hate filled aholes.
@@ameliaaa6945 QUESTIONABLE?? 💀 plus she killed Harlan and has just been manipulating everyone, and that's not just this season (though obviously it was never as intense as before)
🍿 for all the people defending a persons pronouns who doesnt even know you...You are not gaining any browny points defending her life choices...get over yourselves
Why would they have to change a character in a series to match someone’s real life ? It nice and so PC that they did but why the need? Aren’t they actors who pretend to be someone else?
elliot even told the director that he was fine with playing a female character, but the director thought they should change his character to his liking to make him feel comfortable. it was completely out of love and thoughtfulness. i think everyone should be a little more like the director. (i think his name is steve? idfk lmao)
In general, I don’t like the idea of fitting a character to an actor. I also think in this situation it was appropriate. I think if they didn’t do this, it would have been distracting.
seriously some people need to calm down...the name of the actor was ellen before the gender reassignment, why you go all crazy about it? they respected his decision and used he/him when they talked about eliot, why it was that desrespectful anyway?and yeah if you checke season 1 till early 3 the character was called vanya before becoming viktor
@@simonejun6115 not with any name, with the name they once had...apparently when someone is trans we must wipe out our memory, if we dont we are rude...
@@JKara-sn4wp so you are against people changing their names in general? I changed my name because I don't like it, would you still call me by my birth name? Because that would be rude.
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Ummm... how is who people are married to or their dating history "creative decisions of the creators of the series?"
It's complicated. Mistakes will happen.
Guys it was painfull to look/listen at.
@@daniel-darling yes thank you !
I LOVE EMMY but god, she’s such a good actor that it’s easy to hate Allison, especially in season 3.
yes right i was just hating allison this whole season
I hate that they turned her into a rapist or attempted rapist, totally ruined her character, on the other hand Emmy shined as an actress and she's lovely in real life, it's just Allison being awful, i hope people aren't sending her hate or something, sometimes people can't tell the difference between actor and character especially when it's women, they start hating the actresses over a character...
@@kira-zk6op like in 13 reasons why with bryce
I honestly never loved Alison and I hate her now. I’m glad Luther is over her.
@@ascent8487 sloane is really good to him such a good couple right there
I love that the Vanya to Victor transition was under played. Apart from Luther whose reaction was what we expected.
I thought Luther was sweet. He just wanted so much to make sure Viktor really knew he was accepted.
@@ascent8487 yeah but Diego is right, as long as Viktor feels happy and understood and knows he is loved that's what matters , trans people don't throw parties because they came out, lol (as far as I know) but that was sweet of Luther. He still made him the groom for his wedding, that's more appropriate.
Idk if it was underplayed. There’s like 6 scenes where everything stops to zoom in on page and play inspiring music
Was the opposite of underplayed Jesus Christ
@@ascent8487 I am a trans person, and we really don't want a gender reveal party lol. We just want that life goes on, as normal as it is, like, beeing trans is nothing special, this is only one thing in a million things in our lives, and we are ok keeping it simple.
Just love how inclusive this show feels, no matter somebody’s race or sexual identity, all the characters are so likeable. This is a real modern family
I like Diego and Lila's relationship, Off-Screen and On-Screen
Yup you know they smashing
the cast of tua must be the only cast whose not problematic and very much have a good bond with everyone
✨And it smells like mold, sadness, sour mop water, and toe fungus✨
i think some of the actors were controversial at one point
And I’m pretty sure the Lucifer cast as well
@@thethiccster2828 but not problematic
@@thethiccster2828 yeah but small things, nothing major.
I would like to ask the world to STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN ROBERT SHEEHAN. He's amazing and unique and doesn't need a classifier. Let people just be
OMG! This is perhaps the best expression I’ve heard these days. I’m 44 so I don’t think I’m too old and I’m pretty open minded, but I get so lost with all these new classifiers and labels. I understand the need to feel seen and understood, but sometimes I wish that saying “I’m just Me” would be enough. But alas we do not live in a perfect world.
@@melizzavelez6823 I'm 33, and I've had my fair share of struggle trying to figure out who I am and where do I fit, and when I realized I don't own anyone an explanation for being different, is when I finally started to feel at peace with myself
Aiden's the very example of typical teenage date experiment.
I was with the same guy for 6 years. From 15 to 21. Stayed best friends after.
@@ascent8487 okay
I love him when he’s single
Yo why’d he say unfortunately when they said toms son was autistic💀
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😂😂😂
Fortunately was autistic?😶
It was the "how do we fix it" comment for me. 🤬
Well when you have a disability, you're going to lead a very hard life. I know that first hand. So it is unfortunate for us who are disabled that we can't do some things that everyone else who are normal can. So I can kind of understand why he said that. Is not an insult. Is just the reality.
Robert Sheehan is so flipping gorgeous! I'd gladly give him the kids he wants 😂
I was so happy with how they handled Elliot’s transition- it was so exciting and I literally cried ;-; it was so sweet…
The part where Luther asked him to be his best man made me cry :')
tbh I love this cast too much. I love how they're all friends and just 😗👌
Me after I’m told Aidan is single:
*SCREAMS IN EXCITEMENT*
Tickled pink Diego and Lily are a couple, they definitely vibe sublimely
I love hearing about umbrella academy but why would you say "unfortunately" about Tom's son being autistic, and why are you dead naming Elliot? His character's name is Viktor now too.
Shut up please. No one wants to have a kid with autism doesn't mean parents won't love their child but no one's hoping a child has autism
Why would it be unfortunate that people have cognitive difficulties? You would wish someone to have a more difficult life? You would not find it unfortunate that the parents have to do additional research and have additional stresses beyond those common to all parents?
As for Elliot Page, there are two people in his relationship with his ex-wife, himself and Porteney (?) who is a lesbian. I know that it is common for trans people to state that they were always trans, however I very much doubt that information was given to his ex-wife before they married or for several years into the relationship. To be fair, I don't believe Elliot himself realized all of this information, and that he did not deliberately deceive her in any way. He was discovering who he was. But if you try to rewrite history with Elliot having always been a man then yes, it does look like he deceived her and lied to everyone.
When you write history, there are two ways to write it, and one of those ways is by presenting the information available at the time and following the progression of the story as new information is revealed and how people reacted to it. That is the method the writer used, and I think doing so painted a picture of Elliot's relationship that was both accurate and fair to both of the people in it.
Autism is not just "difficulties" we think in a different way, have special interests and many of us have benefits like exceptionally good memory, the ability to solve math problems quickly, higher IQ etc. We are not be pitied, and most autistic people are either proud of their autism is brainwashed by ableism
@@simonejun6115 One of my ex bosses has autistic twins. One is non verbal. The other has a handful of words. They're frequently violent and beat up their parents. When last I spoke with her, she and her husband were having arguments over putting the kids in a special living facility. And it was tearing them apart because they both loved the kids, but they were not able to manage the children's needs any more.
I daily see less extreme stories of autistic people and those who live with them and the extra work that often has to be put into that situation to make the relationship work and to assist in the care and raising of the autistic person, and how that work is freely done out of love and family duty, but that extra work still exists.
I know it's a spectrum and that there can even be advantages, but there's always difficulties listed in learning to speak with people, understand what they mean, and cope with the world because of the different viewpoint.
And to not be willing to acknowledge such difficulties is gaslighting and invalidating to people who have to live with them.
There needs to be a balance in supporting people with disabilities, whether mental or physical, and their families, while still acknowledging that the disability exists and can cause challenges with the level of difficulty to be determined by the individual and the people around them.
@@jenniferhanses7064 "unfortunately" means that they would rather have a kid without autism. So a different kid. It's basically saying "I don't like having an autistic child and I don't love them and consider them a burden"
1:34 “unfortunately”??? come on now
That and the deadnaming of Elliot Page wtf
Genuinely I was like 😃 wHaT DiD hE jUsT sAy? Plus the mis gendering towards Elliot is more than just a little bit rude :/
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I'm glad elliot still kept his name.
Forgot to mention Toms wife played klauses mom
The fact that Aidan's is most replayed🤧😂
....and i uhhh also skipped to that
Elliot Page. His name is Elliot Page.
And I am the lizard king
@@sh0rty594 if that makes you happy then I'm happy for you :)
That's what they said?
And that's exactly why the caption of that part of the video says "Elliot page as Vanya" and at 8:35 the voiceover refers to him as he should... Because it's the actors' backstories, the narrator included Elliot and Viktor's journeys to finding who they truly are. I know it is compelling to want to defend trans, but please understand that these people don't mean any harm and you should know the full situation before getting angry and/or offended for them.
@@sh0rty594 nice
So I've noticed the deadnaming and misgendering in the video - but it seems to come more from a place of not being informed on trans people as opposed to active malice. I doubt the creator will see this but just in case they do (and this could be helpful to anyone else reading), when referring to a trans person in the past (pre-transition), you should still use their current name and pronouns as opposed to the old ones, and then clarifying if necessary if the person in question is comfortable about sharing that information
Thank you for saying this! My friends and family refer to my older brother by his dead name, and former pronouns when talking about him pre-transition. I correct them but it still hurts to see a lot of people not being aware online and in turn cause hurtfulness unintentionally.
Thank you ! I was going to say the same !!
I was looking for a comment like this, thank you!
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness as well as the inappropriate use of the word "unfortunately". We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
THIS, THANK YOU, I keep having to tell my family this everytime i see them cause they'll refer to younger me by my dead name everytime and I just ugh horrible
people here are very much giving ✨transphobic✨
Yes and we won't allow this sort of degeneracy to exist in the world that we live in.
Fr
@@v3xPaperJam too bad it’s happening whether you like it or not 😌
Go cry about it snowflake
@@v3xPaperJam it was always and will be always
Okay I am very open-minded, but am growing up in a household not so much so, we are all struggling to understand but are trying to.... That being said I don't want to be offensive and have a genuine question: is it still not okay to call Elliot Ellen when giving backstory on his life because at one point in time (even though Elliot has always been Elliot and he/they, that's who he is), Elliot was called Ellen in real life and wasn't out yet? Idk if that made sense so to restate the question: is it not okay to call Elliot Ellen when giving a backstory on his life because the name Ellen was once a reality for him? Also his previous wife is a lesbian who fell in love with a woman at the time (even if it is a dead name or misgendering, it did happen that way) and it makes more sense to state history as it happened in reality
Omg 3:30 i am so happy theyre together they both are such vibrant personalities
I met Rob and his girlfriend recently. She is lovely and clearly looks out for him. They look like best friends too.
😍😍😍
Is his girlfriend also an actor
@@rogue1211 no, I think they met on set...possibly in Canada
Really? where
Omg, Tom's son and daughter are sooo cute and look just like him!
I wonder how it would be like if There was a ghost Ben and Sparrow Ben
I don’t know if there would be paradox sychosis from both ghost and sparrow
Who is your favorite cast member of The Umbrella Academy?
i deeply love klaus in every season 😻🤞💗
His name is Elliott.
Klaus and number 5
@@tobwrld Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness and we are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better
DEFINITELY KLAUS,BEN,FIVE
ive had it with these comments. his name is elliot and uses he/they pronouns. is it really that hard to respect someones identity??
fr being trans isn't changing genders 💀 not that hard to understand
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
@@grapesarego0d being trans is literally when you identify as the opposite gender and maybe get surgery to transition
WOaaaah that was him in After Yang!? How did I miss that?
ELIOT IS A HE!!!
Elliot is ellen page . She is trans now.. my favorite..
EXACTLY!!! ITS NOT THAT HARD TO USE THE CORRECT PRONOUNS
He touched on it. Called he ,she when he was a woman and he now.
That's like saying oh well why didn't you call her a him before he made his choice.
@@starveilvalley yeah but it’s not like he found out about him being trans as soon as it got to his “coming out” part of the storyline. I wouldn’t want people misgendering me when talking about my past, if I was in Elliot’s position. It’s just not right. The channel did a mistake.
Personal Lives of the actor/actress should never affect the story according to the writers, it’s their creation at the end of the day, to change it simply because of someone deciding to change their gender is abhorrent and selfish.
5:13 Dammit I am jealous Of You Aidan Gallagher 😞😡
He*
I was so annoyed by Allison... n Klaus my favorite...🥰🥰🥰😍😍🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
You should always call him Elliot Page, never Ell*n, that's called deadnaming and it's considered transphobia.
I have delusionphobia
Also the lack of correct pro nouns and the fact that he is not an actress , he is an actor it’s really bugging me the blatant misgendering glad someone has said it .
No it’s called old habits. It happens.
Bruh it’s a mistake maybe a typo in the script chilll
Is the show transphobic by calling vanya she and her and vanya before she realised her gender as he transitioned into Victor and not going back and digitally changing the name vanya and the pronouns to Victor and he? Maybe we should cancel the show. They did the same thing as this video.
Addressing a trans person in the past tense is not an excuse to deadname/misgender them. Elliot Page 3 years ago is no one else but Elliot, calling him anything else is fallacious. Elliot did not come into existence upon his coming out. Referring to a trans person with their deadname/incorrect pronouns is inherently transphobic, no matter the situation.
Can’t change those chromosomes. Lol
@@julitakamaki4386 🤣😇
@@julitakamaki4386 and how do YOU know what chromosomes he has and why do you even care ? lol
@@julitakamaki4386 gender isn't related to chromosomes. lol
I never knew I was going to be so irritated by children. I never could have seen this coming.
uhm why did he kept calling elliot page ellen page and kept misgendering him anyone else notice that or jus me
so disrespectful 🙄 elliot doesn't deserve this
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
To be fair they did say he& elliot consistently as soon they got to that part of the history, like they were talking about elliots past in which he DID identify as female & lesbian, then they got to the history of him coming out as trans & referred to him as "he" consistently from then on
Everyone in this comment section that is being rude about dead naming needs to stop gaslighting this yt creator. It's very transphobic of all of you to try to speak for Elliot Page. You don't speak for him, so shut it.
I think it goes without saying that Elliot would not want his deadname used and spread around without his permission. He has stated they go by Elliot and use he/they pronouns so why would he be okay with this channel not respecting that? Ofc nobody can speak for him but surely using his preferred name and pronouns is better than using their old ones.
Nice job using "her" instead of him and deadnaming Elliot (:
Don't be so offended over every little thing.
They were talking about Elliot before when he was Ellen for context because at the time of the videos (when she came out as a lesbian & got married), Elliot was a she. Eventually, they did use 'he' to refer to Elliot.
@@jessicamerced9116 i understand, but as a trans person, i wouldnt want someone-even if theyre talking about pre-transition me-to deadname and misgender me. the creator of this video EASILY couldve said "pre-transition elliot" and other things like that. but no, they didnt.
@@jessicamerced9116 there is no excuse for using someone’s dead name to describe them, even if it is pre-transition (unless you are specifically given permission to do so by the trans person themselves).
@@chloemarks5955 the only excuse is if someone has delusionalphobia.
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
I love Deveed, especially in snow piercer
I watch all 3 season really good Show
That isn’t Laura hopper in that clip 😂🤣
Everyone commenting about deadnaming Elliot except me here simping on Ben 🤩
Nah i Simping too qwq
That makes 3 of us. ❤️
Enjoy watching series...
Gr8 actors
The fact that you keep calling Elliot by his deadname really rubs me off the wrong way, that’s so irrespecutful. His name is Elliot, his character name is Viktor, just because you’re talking about his character in season one, that’s not an excuse to misgender him.
They only use the name Ellen in past tense which I feel is appropriate. I'm not the final word end all that be all obviously but Elliot hasn't expressed any negativity towards this. But again, I dunno I guess it varies between individuals. Personally by default I'll go with the current preference, but I'll admit I occasionally slip. Especially with someone like Page who I've followed since Hard Candy (my BFF went to school with... him) so sometimes I catch myself slipping on gendering. But I try. Literally the least I can do. I could rant on about how infuriating it is when people intentionally dead name or misgender but... who has the time or energy
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness and we are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better
Stop being such a snowflake, it was used in the context of a timeline progressing their transition
this is so disrespectful towards elliot page, referring to him as "she" talking about his past
Fr!!
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
So how are you supposed to coherently talk about his past by calling a lesbian he? Back then he didnt identify as a man, he identified as a gay woman.
To be fair they did say he& elliot consistently as soon they got to that part of the history, like they were talking about elliots past in which he DID identify as female & lesbian, then they got to the history of him coming out as trans & referred to him as "he" consistently from then on
We all know why Hellen/Elliot marriage ended her partner wanted to be with a woman
Truth
Yeah...she probably miss those boobies which Ellen discarded to become Elliot and share the new body physique with the world...
Yeah. She’s lesbian. That’s just how it is. I’m sure it was heartbreaking for both of them.
Cough cough mr.garyson
@@BrokenGlassMuncher you want to go and get that cough check out could be Covid
Who is here after season 4?
Lol! Aiden!
AIDAN GALLAGHER
Aiden a little player
Honestly thought Luther would be wit Sloane
WTF, it’s SO not okay to misgender and deadname a trans person (elliot/viktor) like this video did. extremely disappointing
Elliot is a big boy he can defend himself, stop being so righteous, the world doesnt work that way, your not doing anything besides being annoying
@@vato4917 no thanks. the video was doing something extremely transphobic, and as a trans person ima speak up against that when i see it
@@kalekoi no its not, the video made a mistake, it wasn’t being “extremely transphobic” you must live in a sheltered bubble if you think this was bad. Ive heard worse and my trans friends have experienced worse, your fight is useless
I felt the same. Is it really that hard to use the right name and pronouns?! I mean the person who made this video wrote it, recorded it and edited it. They had SO many opportunities to see their mistakes. "journalism"... My god. A real journalist educates themselves in the subjects they're talking about and the people they're talking about and they use the right vocabulary. Is it really that difficult...?
@@vato4917 they are doing something actually (sorry I don't know @kalekoi 's pronouns). When someone is being racist, homophobic or sexist I hope you say something to make them understand that they can't treat someone like that. It's the same about transphobia. Because here, this is transphobic. The person who made this video wrote it, recorded it and edited it. They could see they made a mistake. They didn't because they're probably not educated in transness. And as a "journalist" you don't make an article or a video or anything else if you don't know the subject you want to talk about. Same for those who don't know a damn about transness but love to make us hear their opinion they have on it.
And please, do you think Elliot has the time and the energy to correct every transphobics there are on the Internet?
Trinity Rose wasn’t his girlfriend, they were just best friends
Autism is not something to fix. It can't be fixed. It's not a trait with which a kid is "unfortunately" born. It is a neurodevelopmental disorder which forces/allows people to experience life differently (and I'm not sugarcoating it). The real misfortune is that society is not designed to accommodate benevolent neurodivergencies, such as autism, while ableism, misrepresentation and absence of education on the subject are the rule. A fact that leads to autism becoming truly disabilitating for people on the spectrum.
The clip picked for this video portrays maybe inexperienced or uneducated parents at the time it was recorded. It's a shame that this particular clip was the one chosen for a video regarding a generally diverse and inclusive series. It perpetuates ableistic and offensive views in the best case.
I feel like a Klause that is not gay would be weird and also like this comment if Deigo is Ur fav character, TEAM DEIGO!!!!! pls pin me😄❤❤❤❤
Is there like auditions for ugly and weird ?
Why do people think they need somebody when they are so young and discovering themselves.
So what you're saying is the possibility of me and Robert Sheehan is low but not zero? I'll take it.
Me pueden traducir lo que dicen de David y Ritu
Not transphobic and also have no problem calling him Elliott but do have a problem with everyone who feels they have to say something when it had nothing to do with them. If Elliott had a problem he's a big boy and can stand up for himself.
Exactly
Yeah. I feel like the Trans community are reading too deep into this, getting themselves involved when nothing is being directly said to them, or targeted at them, and they're getting themselves hurt for no reason. As I've said before it's all about perspectives. We can see things in a positive light and take Elliots journey as a good thing instead of looking at things in a darker light & twisting everything out of proportions.
Everybody think they know what Elliot wants by forming their own opinions about things but how would they know what Elliot wants? Do they talk to him on the daily? I've seen many other Trans youtubers who share their journeys on here and honestly it's quite a beautiful thing. There is no shame with knowing about a person's past and where they came from.
Klaus had a boyfriend in the comic books in Vietnam
Great vid, but one issue: her character is Viktor, and Elliott's pronouns are he/they both in show and out.
Lol. "Her" character is Viktor. Tried to call him out and failed to use the proper pronouns as well.
This is so funny in an absurd way. You just straight-up revealed that you think of Elliot as a woman while criticizing someone else for referring to him with the wrong pronouns. It's like a joke from a sitcom or something.
@@Sabrina-gv1zf when you talk about a trans person, you use the pronouns they're using now, even when you're talking about their past life. If you don't, you're misgendering them. And if you think that's OK to do so, then you're transphobic my friend.
@@imnoorv I just learned that right now, definitely am not transphobic, just don't know everything. Thanks for clarifying! I actually was not aware of that
@@Sabrina-gv1zf it's ok to not know everything. That's completely human and normal. It's ok to make mistakes, understand what you did wrong, apologise if it impacted someone else and then make sure to not make this mistake again. I didn't wanna sound rude... Sorry. But please, if you don't know a subject, educate yourself before talking about it. You'll be sure you won't hurt anybody. Especially when it's about an oppressed minority or a community.
And about the pronouns, ask the person, it's better. Everyone is different. I heard some trans people saying they didn't care if someone talks about them in the past with the pronouns they used before. But most of us don't like it...
❤️❤️❤️Wow!
I hate that he said unfortunately, i have autism and that was quite offensive
I wish Tom was with genesis
7:23 HIS fans
Elliot Page. Don’t deadname people.
Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page, Ellen Page!
@@liampatrick3110 bravo, you're a genius ! 👍🏻
Vanya to Viktor is sooo cool.. Viktor character is suits Elliot Page..
okay but why call elliot by his birthname? and use she/her pronouns for him- you cant just say "she came out as a trans man" like wth
To be fair they did say he& elliot consistently as soon they got to that part of the history, like they were talking about elliots past in which he DID at THAT time identify as female & lesbian, then they got to the history of him coming out as trans & referred to him as "he" consistently from then on
It's like you went out of your way to mispronounce their names.
It's Elliot Page as Victor.
Stop dead naming Elliot please, before you talked about him being trans you could have still used his correct name and pronouns!
Elliot Page as Viktor. And is "him", please use the correct pronoums
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
Damn Fives is a womanizer ! And ellen i mean eliot page... hmmm
How dare you disrespect him like that, he is not gay and the character name is not vania its victor for god sake. This channel is a disgrace and does not support the lgbt+ community. HOW DARE YOU DEADNAME HIM?! shame on you.
cry more kid
Your overreacting too much i mean Victor in the beginning of the series he was Vanya ?
even though I agree, no need to attack him like that? he was doing it in a timeline so at that point he (Elliot) thought he was gay but then found out he was trans, though the guy should have used his pronouns and name you’re just being rude - from a flm
If you go back and watch that part, listen carefully. He starts off as Ellen Page, shows Ellen Page and uses the pronoun 'her'. The second he mentioned transgender he switched pronouns to 'he' and it was now Elliot. There was nothing disrespectful about it, it was a timeline of events.
@@notevines exactly, and tbh, elliot can hold his own around this type of topic, no need to protect him
Dayum Aidan got tons
The chanNel & the comments are so transphobic...
Ellen Page is a woman!
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
I understand what you were doing BUT NEVER refer to a trans person w their dead name & former pronouns. Even when referencing the past. Huge mistake. Please apologize.
Exactly
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
I almost liked this video and then they got to Elliot Page and kept saying Ellen and she and Vanya
Our goal was to tell about the creative decisions of the creators of the series and in no way did we want to offend anyone with deadnaming. We apologize for our carelessness. We are grateful to everyone who pointed out our mistake and for helping us do better.
Should I cancel the show because they didn't digitally change the name vanya to Victor every time it was mentioned in season 1,2 snd 3? Before he transitioned?
I’m just gonna put this out there! I think Aidan and Millie Bobby Brown should be a thing! Imagine the power couple they would be!!! 💝💝💝💝
Not everybody knows how to use the correct pronouns..
pls stop deadnaming elliot and viktor
Song at 6:08?
7:50
Eliot Page exists. I’m glad. Ellen Page also once existed. Are we seriously supposed to forget all the acting achievements of that person? These comments are gross. You’re not enlightened. You’re much more small minded than you all seem to think. Stop patting yourselves on the backs.
Elliot has always been Elliot. Trans people don't become a whole new person when they come out
@@deeplander BULLSHIT.😒
I can accept that to a point. There is a part of me that hurts for the physical being that once existed and who apparently must be rubbed out. They were born into the world this way. They existed. Why is that an insult to the woke world?
@@deeplander ok but elliot went on a journey from being a gay women to a trans man, that was a real journey he went on & through, for many years he identified as a gay woman, now he identifies as a trans man( which is thats so great & lovely& amazing- he should live the life that feels authentic to him, all should be happy for him & anyone who isnt is a just a confused hateful person who probably hates themselves too) but like yes if they were ALWAYS a man& always identified as a man than it wouldnt be a TRANSISTION, i dont think elliot is under some kind of delusion that they didnt live half their life publicly as a woman & lesbian, sure he may never have felt right or comfortable until he transistioned but elliot DID live their life as a woman& WAS a self identified lesbian for many years of his life, and thats OK & then they came out as trans and THATS OK too, the point is that this video DID consistently use he/elliot consistently & only as soon as they got to that part of the history- now you can argue that the should have used he & elliot the entire time thats perfectly fair, but they were talking about elliots past when he DID publicly identify as female & lesbian& they told the whole story of him coming out (first as a lesbian women& second as trans man) at which point they only used he & eliot from then on, again you can say that wasnt improper but it is clear that the intent wasnt based in transphobia or disrespect otherwise they wouldnt have used he/eliot from that point on- it seems clear they were trying to tell the story of that journey not be disrespectful & while its fair to make the case why it should be done differently I really dont think it helps ANYONE ecspecially not trans people to react in such a hostile way when someone clearly was not intending to be disrespectful EVEN If it felt disrespectful in your view- the goal should never to be to shame & outrage & scold people who make a mistake or arent fully aware of something it should be to INFORM& EDUCATE to hopefully make them aware in the future, otherwise its exactly these kind of reactions are what FEED so much of the backlash& anti trans anti woke hysteria & it comes off like obnoxious virtue signaling which only turns people away & into hate filled aholes.
Lmmfao. Roflmmfao. Omg it hurts to laugh so much. When you're white you are David. When you are black it's daviiiiiiiiiiid
i kinda not like the lgbtq community because its non religious so i didnt like that part in the umbrella academy as much
honestly I thought Allison was bad*ss this season- just me? ok
She sexually assaulted Luther though 💀
Yes SA so badass
@@deeplander yeah that was questionable, but apart from that
@@ameliaaa6945 QUESTIONABLE?? 💀 plus she killed Harlan and has just been manipulating everyone, and that's not just this season (though obviously it was never as intense as before)
Its elliot page you have to refer to him with he him pronouns , you even read his letter when he cane out why are you refering to him as his dead name
he he he his name is Elliot page
Not you misgendering Elliot
The deadnaming and wrong use of pronuns when talking about Elliot is just not okay. Do better.
The misgendering and deadnaming of Elliot Page is unacceptable. Please do better.
Ellen page looked beautiful as a women. But now 🤮
Why do you use Elliot's dead name and use feminine pronouns? This is disrespectful.
Boo hoo
🍿 for all the people defending a persons pronouns who doesnt even know you...You are not gaining any browny points defending her life choices...get over yourselves
Bro still used elliots deadname, wrong pronous and everything to describe HIM
HER!!!!!! SHE has a fking Pussy!!! 😒🙄
ELLIOT. GET HIS NAME AND PRONOUNS RIGHT.
Why would they have to change a character in a series to match someone’s real life ? It nice and so PC that they did but why the need? Aren’t they actors who pretend to be someone else?
elliot even told the director that he was fine with playing a female character, but the director thought they should change his character to his liking to make him feel comfortable. it was completely out of love and thoughtfulness. i think everyone should be a little more like the director. (i think his name is steve? idfk lmao)
Bc it’s their show and they wanted to! Cope
Story isn’t important. Only ideology matters.
One of us. One of us. One of us.
Because “the agenda”
In general, I don’t like the idea of fitting a character to an actor. I also think in this situation it was appropriate. I think if they didn’t do this, it would have been distracting.
seriously some people need to calm down...the name of the actor was ellen before the gender reassignment, why you go all crazy about it? they respected his decision and used he/him when they talked about eliot, why it was that desrespectful anyway?and yeah if you checke season 1 till early 3 the character was called vanya before becoming viktor
i dont know if you know this, but when you talk about a trans person in the past tense, you STILL use their preferred pronouns and name.
because it's rude to refer to someone with another name? that's like kindergarten level of basic respect
@@simonejun6115 not with any name, with the name they once had...apparently when someone is trans we must wipe out our memory, if we dont we are rude...
@@JKara-sn4wp so you are against people changing their names in general? I changed my name because I don't like it, would you still call me by my birth name? Because that would be rude.
@@simonejun6115 thats what you understood? Thats sad you need to read carefully again what I wrote