Falling a very dangerous pine, MS880
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- First tree felled with the new MS880. This pine was way more dangerous than previously thought.....
She split in 3 places before hitting the ground. Keep your eyes up! Stay safe friends... this was a huge learning experience.
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Looking up is extremely important, but I wouldn't use Wranglestar as a source of how to use a chainsaw. He does a lot of things the wrong way. There are great fellers and tree men on TH-cam like August Hunike and Billy Ray Smith, but Wranglerstar doesn't have the experience.
yes I agree wranglerstar is no comparison to billy ray smith but one is a joke and one has been in the industry for over a few decades
@Dingus E. Dow why is Billy Ray a joke?
@Dingus E. Dow well it sure aint 1st growth. Hes solid behind a saw and can climb realy well. Hes also one hell of a positive man.
@Dingus E. Dow keep at it another 15 yrs and you may even be impressive. Calling him a fucking joke just makes you look stupid as hell. Be safe out there. But hey you already know that you being an expert and all.
@Dingus E. Dow i aint ya buddy but you have a great day and stay safe.
good morning was watching your 2016 video cutting that old "school marm" tree, looks to me that the saw you used was way to big an 88 is really designed for old growth and very large diamiter tmber, you should have cutoff each leg first then cut off the stump your lucky u didn't get hurt.
I climbed and fell trees for 2 years, 25 years ago. I’m about to get back into tree work again. But I’m taking an arborist certification course before I put on the first climbing spur or fell a single tree. I was proud to here your humility in recognition of your errors. But please be safe. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.
it was refreshing that you had the humility to look at your actions honestly. that was the most important lesson i learned from your video, thanks for showing it,
Thanks for sharing, appreciated. Seeing your near misses is a much happier way of learning than seeing people get hurt.
i'm not arborist, but i have study & watched how trees grow. any tree with more than one leader are always unstable. its best to cut each one down one at a time . Great video through.. i'm glad nothing happened to U.
That's a funny looking pine.
Please don't take this the wrong way but you showed a lot of bad habits: Letting go of the handle wrap while cutting (cutting with one hand), leaning in the path of the bar while cutting, not keeping your thumb on your left hand wrapped around the handle, holding the chainsaw backwards (around min 5), and falling dangerous trees without knowledge of how to do so. Please please take a class or two on safe chainsaw operation and falling trees. I'd also note not to put to much stock into a lot of "experts" on the internet with folk wisdom that also have a lot of bad habits. Tough words here but only meant to help keep you safe and alive. This could have gone horribly wrong in more ways that you apparently realized-beyond cutting through the hinge etc..
Those are words of wisdom ma'freind, I've been doing lawn care, tree service most of my life and I still refresh on skills and abilities. Good advice that you gave.
Thanks! @@shawnslawncareservicellc6657 Glad you found my advice helpful! Chainsaws and tree work are no joke! Its surprising more people aren't injured or killed in these videos! Well-maybe those don't usually make it onto the internet. Stay safe out there!
I was coming down here to basically say the same stuff you guys have. I'm not trying to bash the guy but hes real lucky hes not in a hospital bed somewhere. After the tree dropped he kn ade the comment " that was scary" , yes it was!! It was probly scarier to us watching that know what you were doing wrong and wanted to reach thru the screen and stop ya. I almost had to turn it off cause I did t wanf to see ya get smashed!!
Listen to some of the comments from these guys buddy and DO NOT watch wranglerstar for tips, comedy only! Hes a joke and hes gonna cause someone to get hurt one day.
Take care and glad you and the saw survived to cut another day buddy.
It's refreshing reading a comment with a fair critique that's not degrading or insulting. I get so sick of reading douche comments
Could you elaborate on leaning in the path of the bar while cutting? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your wording. Is that just in case the chain breaks so you don't catch the chain with your body? I just cut wood for the house but am always looking to learn how to be safe when cutting timber. Thanks for the constructive comment too. There's a lot of bad information on the web.
Tree is right where you wanted .... on the ground! And you got some cheap experience. Take it piece at a time. Thanks for the video
I knew it was a possibility that the one back lead was suspect to fall by noticing the vertical crease where it was connected aka the branch union, that's technically a weak spot it's called included or concluded bark, you can notice it at the 7:02 time somewhere in that frame and I noticed his back cut was within the seam, and is exactly why it broke as he continued into the back cut. He simply overlooked this hazard in his initial assessment of this particular tree. We all do this at some time in our profession, but I learned this important issue in training while employed at Bartlett tree experts who have a lot of input in the arborists test study guide, and they also have a lab based in North Carolina that's a super place where they test and experiment any and everything involved in tree work from a safety and equipment to technique perspective. One of the most important and underappreciated rules of thumb is the fact that although felling one should never go it alone especially climbing. It's always good to have at least three people with considerable knowledge of tree removal tasks in which one of the three likely would have saw this dangerous potential failure followed by a reassessment of his removal technique. Taking nothing away from his skill set and experience, just the fact anything can go south even with the best as no two trees are guaranteed to cooperate based on the many unseen issues with trees thus the reason for the not go it alone rule of Bartlett tree. Be safe because this profession is ranked or was recently the number one ranked dangerous profession and rightfully so.
You learnt that lesson the hard way. Have you ever heard of an included bark union? Well I guess you have now.
Well done for paying attention.
And if you pause at 6:35 you can see one of the stems at the top of the gob running through the timber
I fell those reachable multi trunks one at a time...much safer. Keep up the good work.
johnnybarbar thank you! Thanks for commenting as well. Have a good one
I would have taken down that tree one stem at a time nice saw
Me to some people dont know the field from a creek
Saw that seperate trunk leaning back and him making his cut so close to the split and knew before he even rounded the corner on the BAD side that it was going to split off. He is damn lucky he chose to switch to the offhand side when he did.
Accepting and staying that you need more practice is great! That's how we learn! Good saw, doesn't make you a good feller, learning and applying what you learn makes you capable of becoming a better feller!
I agree. He doesn't have enough experience. Way to much saw for him too.
Run run buddy great job keep looking up buddy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm glad that I had my buddy with me that day.... I try not to fall anything without someone with me
Smart.
6:33 after EVERY face cut look into the tree. You can learn a lot about its condition! Here you can already see, that there is a separate trunk and change plans...
edit: thanks for uploading. This way everybody can learn from others mistakes!
That kick back back holding that saw with one hand is going to mess you up big time my friend. The 880 you can say the motor is a like a mopeds motor that's in your hand be careful
What you got there is a co-dominate or school marm, safest way to deal with them is to work on individual stems, falling all 3 at once like that well... you saw what happened, anyway don't mean to be a jerk but don't want anyone gettin killed either.
northman logging it's all a learning process that's for sure! I didn't realize how weak those joints are when I sized it up to fall it. I thought I was low enough on the stump for it to hold together. I definitely know for next time
the trees will either teach ya or kill ya... either way they will always fight back.
northman logging yes they do. Thanks for commenting!
That's how I go at them; get a lot of clump maple in my area and I'll reach 6 and a half feet up to get one trunk at a time no matter how fused the base looks.
northman logging co dominant haha northman forester wanna be
Good job leaving the saw, I've seen guys stand there and wrestle it until the tree was on the ground and I used to know a gentleman who learned why that was a bad idea. I also love to see guys analyze their stumps when they get the tree down so many guys neglect to learn from every tree and wouldn't have noticed the uneven hinge wood . The only thing I might've done differently is to use a wedge as a gauge instead of the axe, but that's only because I love my axes more than most people lol. You've certainly earned my subscription. Be safe out there.
I'm not one to ever comment on videos but I feel compelled to as a fellow wildland sawyer and arborist. I know you said you require more practice but view it as an overall safety training scenario. First off you can cut a multiple truck tree as many trees in one. Reason being. You have to notice the included bark on those big branch unions. Immediately as you put in a face cut I said that was to high(given i would have chosen a different falling method). You can see exactly where that tree in the back was joined with the main trunk and obviously you cut above it. Secondly you can see it between both main codominant stems. Not as bad but still there. And come on that tree could be felled with a 361 if handled the right way. Be thoughtful in your size up and consider all of the factors at hand. And dont cut through holding wood!!!!!!!!! You sighted the tree for a reason in the beginning. Use it!!!
That tree fell in 3 ways. That was dangerous. Great saw.
That first stem breaking out was obvious when you first went around that side of the tree, when you were cutting the gob. I don;t mean to be unkind, but you made that job look difficult!
Glad ur safe but great learning video
Very nice video kyle!
Kyker you cut straight through a major faulted trunk union called an inclusion. You don't have the required Tree assessment skills to be felling this type of tree. You could plainly see the seam of the included branch travelling right through your back cut. That back branch was always going to split off like that. I'm just amazed it didn't sit back hard and jam your bar and chain up until after the fell. Mate I was horrified as soon as the camera walked around the back side of the tree and I could not believe you did not notice the fault line or know what it was.
Also never ever ever cut through the hinge. Learn how to split level back cut or at least wedge more.
That was always going to be three trees for the price of one, and they went in every way except the direction of the notch. I was half expecting the bar to get a 90 degree bend on it.
By no means am I an expert, but a lot of what this guy does scares me. I'm not even finishing watching this.
You should, if you like being right. It goes just like you think it does.
and one stem leaning back on you. when that breaks off you could have been flattened. crazy cutting
2:48 Husqvarna does not make axes, they just brand them ;-)
They are (were) made by Hultafors and Wetterlings
Just like a Stihl tool is not made by Stihl, but e.g. by Gedore (Ochsenkopf)
You need a full wrap for that beast
I got one on my 440mag and it makes life so much easier for a felling saw
I dream of an 880mag
nice saw got 1 my self...........we,re learnin all the time friend
Practice with smaller trees and a smaller saw stay safe
Man i was glad when you moved to the other side of that tree after you started.. that was a much better place to be..
Happy everything worked out on this one, didn't even bend your bar
I'm no one to give advice, what I observed was that one left side and the amount of wood holding it up; didn't look safe for the cut put on it, I would have thought of segmenting it from the rest first... Hindsight Glad you're OK and did learn from this..
I did a tree the same as that yesterday but I cut the 3 limbs and then cut the stump for the very reason I just seen here.
I was waiting for the camera to point to the sky and everything gone silent except for the idle of the saw...
I thought you were alone out there but it's pretty clear God was with you haha . I'm sure the "what did I do there?" you said in the video has changed a cpl years later . You seem like a smart,capable guy so I have a feeling it has . I don't want to say much , reading some of the comments even my constructive criticism would sound abusive haha . Honestly though , I bet that 880 cut just fast enough to keep you out of trouble . Smaller saw wouldn't have made it through that back lead fast enough , got pinched before you had room for a wedge and you prob still woulda been fighting under it to get the saw out. Hope all is well ,brother .
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Looks whole lot like a Maple
fallen from the ground#1it was à big hinge #2,I would have started with back cut.( easier way)= judging by multistem and conditions of the tree climbing up the tree about4feet and cutting limbs one by one would have proven better then finish with stump.i love your 880 a man feel good with such à best over his shoulder 🙋luc.keep vidéo coming stay safe
Luc Fournier looking back at the video all the signs were there that this tree would have broken apart. Now I know how to recognize them.... the sap dripping out from crevasses on the backside etc
PLEASE, two hands on that saw at all times. You reached in to position a wedge, inches from the chain of a running saw-no. Listen to the men on here who know and have seen the results of bad decisions. Any saw is dangerous, you’re working with the nastiest of them all and it takes a split second for disaster to arrive.
Be careful and keep up the good attitude, learn from those who know what the hell is going on. Felling trees LOOKS easy but it’s anything but......
You seem to have gotten lucky!
You need some serious carburetor adjustment that thing should be tearing into that tree like no other
Brave heart. Good on you. Each tree will make you a wiser man. We all started at some stage. Been their done that when I started out.
Lol that's dangerous my friend at that point you have to notches front and back dangerous dangerous
No the first tell was when that branch sat back on you
Get a book on felling if you don't have one yet. Thanks for the vid. I just got a used 880mag for a sled trade. need a longer bar on mine 25'' now. More to learn.
I’m surprised it didn’t fall on you while you were sawing under it because nothing was holding it. You have to fall most of those separately.
Practice makes perfect sir keep at it well done
Bobinski Brooks thanks buddy.! Have a good day!
good job
wow I don't think I have ever seen a tree break into three pieces. I see now it was three trees that merged into one bigger tree, I did have a gut feeling the first tree was going to go early just from the intruded bark but I didn't think the other two would have split,, there was not a lot of intruded in them but that's why you look while you cut. And great call in just leaving the saw, they can be replaced good health can't
Love the videos
the chainsaw collector 360 awsome thank you!!
First time I've ever seen a single tree fell into 3 pieces. It was almost like there was a force that separated the tree so it didnt damage the post
Dripping sap is a sure sign of imminent destruction, that's why the Viet Cong who came through the wire at night were called sappers.
Thank your for your video, a good lesson can be learned. IMO, using the Big 880 with tha overly long bar was part of the problem. Your 661 with a 36" bar, or 30" inch bar would allow you to be closer to the tree, having more control over the "angle", both up and down.But I can see what happened...you are under adrenalin cause one limb came crushing down, but you were forced to bring it down then, instead of taking a step back and reconsider. Very dangerous tree, thanks for the upload, stay safe!
What does the length of the bar have to do with being "closer to the tree"? I run my saw "buried in the wood" any extra bar is sticking out the other side. I don't understand what you are getting at?
If you do a plunge cut with a 4 feet long bar, you will be 4 feet away from the tree, as you will be at the other end of the saw, trying to balance the the tip steady with a 30lbs monster saw. As the plunge cut is essential to set a correct hinge, short bar and lighter saw will give you better control.
good video. had the same thing happen to me but I was taking out a top when the codominant stem broke off early. full of sap. good point to keep looking up and look for bark inclusion and weak unions on those school marm pines. also bucking billy ray sent me here. new subscriber also. keep up the good work and cut safe
the other guys tree service thanks for subscribing and commenting! Sure means a lot to me. Have a good one
Good job! Kyler 👍👍 what brand is the axe your using?? Thanks..
that chainsaw sounds like a bloody dirt bike! has more power than my dirt bike too lol
First don't listen to wranglerstar for a how to on anything. The guy can't even properly use a machete, so you for damned sure don't want to be taking chainsaw lessons from him. Next, drop each limb you can safely cut from the ground and reevaluate the tree after each is down, because it becomes a different tree with each limb you remove. I. E. The balance or lean will be different. Glad you're alright but you had me cringing a couple of times.
Wow. You cut right through your hinge.
I don’t have to look up to see you were cutting into multiple stems with bark inclusions. Every stem should have been felled individually. You basically felled a tree by a single horizontal cut. You also cut the hinge wood on the left side. Good video, keep up the hard work.
Spooky ..glad you’re ok.👍
Saw the sparks straight away when you hit that tree. Old fence line. You fouled the chain. Check for evidence of that and cut above fence line. Great respect for the video I’ve learned and saved a lot from people sharing. When I saw you drop the wedges? I was curios. Why?
That limb falling off changed the whole cut plan at that point.
Why use such a big saw for that little tree. I could have taken that tree down with a little 250 and an 18 inch bar
Who cares? I could cut it with a Purple Poulan Wild Thing that only starts with the brake off and the throttle pegged. It slays me that the new game of logging fire gods worship short bars, and the old school guys worship long bars.
be xtra safe that shit is xtra dangerous when they split like that
$1700 is expensive for a saw, I spent $450 for my 271, that's the most I'll go
should have treated each stem as a separate tree. thosse seams go right through where you're cutting. could have got killed.
Be safe have fun with the new saw
These big saws (I have a 661) basically sound like you're cradling a 1990's motocross bike 😄
I have a 661 too... FUN TO CUT WITH....
Did I miss it in the video, but what size bar is on that, the 42"?
Any idea of total weight with bar, gas, etc...?
Using your wedge banger as a wedge? Braver than me.... Now you know why it kept setting back on you... glad it didn't get you, that was close.
Glad you decided to leave the saw and run... ;)
Bet that got your heart pumping...
I agree with Luc, a tree like that should have come down in sections. Lesson learned right? Glad it didn't go south on you...
Be safe, take care!
Good Day Farm 42" bar. It was buried on the face cut. Adrenaline was up for a few minutes after she started to break apart! Yep it was a learning experience for sure!!!!
Good Day Farm no i don't have my Buckin Special wedge banger yet. I was using a husqvarna (wetterlings) splitting axe.
It has like a 30-32 inch handle and about 2.5 lb head
I'll have to measure and weigh it
Kyler Monares
Perfect size for a banger! My luck I would hit it with the saw.... 😬😬😬
oh i see what your saying, i wasent using the axe as a wedge. using it as a "needle guage". Tarzan Thomas and hotsaws101 use either an axe or long wedge as a "guage". when set in there loosley the axe or wedge starts to move when the tree moves, with the handle length its easy to detect even very small movement of the tree. when the one trunk broke off the back i saw the handle move first before i looked up to see it start to fall.
That's not a Pine.
That is a pine saw is just that dull
@Dingus E. Dow No it's not.
It most definitely is a pine. It's dead, more the brown color under the bark that slips easily off the wedge when he pulls it out. Also note the blue wood in the trunk. There was a fire, note charred bark and checked, charred fence post at edge of field, and absolute lack of any ground litter around tree. Hope that helps clear it up for you.
@@TheBrushcutter Pine trees are coniferous. They are needle bearing trees. I didn't see any pine needles. As well soft wood trees rarely grow 2 or 3 at the base.
be careful but a good job with a dam good saw
I'm surprised stihls big ass 880 sounds like it needs more balls
There wasn't much more you could have done, the trunk was very compromised by the 3 limbs junction structure, the first one to go is a good indication of what I'm saying, the weight and position of the last 2 large limbs were never allowing both to fall in the same direction as they were forking but in the end, you've got it down without you getting hurt, like you modestly said, with some more experience, these tricky situations become less of a problem as you will know/have a fair idea as to what the tree will do but from where I stand, you have done OK...!
Cheers
George
great vid. :) 1 day i hope 2 buy a 880.. right now i have a ms 290 farm boss. its been a damn good saw.
Look at the size of those chips, that's no 3/8 chain lol.
savage69000 that's for sure!!! Thanks for commenting
Might of overfiled the raker?!
exciting; love to here it in your voice. keep going every tree is a new experience think about what you might do with every piece of wood you cut. say what you are thinking about the type of wood it is and what you are going to do with it?
Daryl Iams it's pine. Cutting it up for firewood
You got a watch yourself Brother. I forget what part of the video but you cut that hinge in the front and then you walked right in front of where you cut I’ll always walk around the backIt’s just to be extra safe always walk around the back rather than that good video bud
Sometimes you can tap in the trunk with an axe and detect rot. Sometimes. I could tell from looking at that trunk that it was going to be a sketchy one to fell.
Please do not watch this video, and then duplicate anything this man does. I’m rather surprised he’s still alive.
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Gnarlyyy.
Kyler, my advice to you is to keep your life insurance premium paid currently.
I would have notched and plunged that first one off. I dropped a mulberry that was very subtly seamed recently, and it broke apart. Very embarassing, as some folks were watching.
Experience is the best teacher I guess, just wish some of these lessons were less dramatic. :)
I knew this one was going to be sketchy. All the talk about "she's" a tough tree, my new chainsaw "she's powerful, not cutting down the individual trunks, not leaving a proper hinge, and of course the fact that the tree was rotting...not a lot of smartness going on here.
Just ignorance...and a young man's lucky day. That's one hell of a chainsaw to start off with...lol
Along with what's been said sounding the tree with the axe would have let you know that co-dominant stem was waiting to fall off.
Looks like you bent you bar a little.I could be wrong.
I'm sorry to say this b'c I simply try too never speak poorly of other tree feller's or tree climbing arborist's, but this guy seems like he needs some remedial training, in regards to falling multi-lead co-dominant tree's; if I were in his shoe's; firstly I'd probably use a smaller power-saw, secondly I'd clean-up all low lying leads that are 2 1/2ft up from the stump. As you can see from this video the tree wasn't sitting back on his saw; he was simply cutting that lead from the tree and didn't know it, and if he was standing where he was moments prior he most likely wouldn't have caught it on film, falling to the ground, b'c he would have been under it as the lead came to the ground, he's simply just lucky he moved and started cutting from the low side of the tree..
With that being said, overall I feel as though this was a solid educational video for those striving to become tree falling or climbing arborists.
That's a funny lookin pine tree???.
you should have a look àt arborist glenn blair channel hé put up à vidéo titre dissection of à tree that will explain what Just happen to you😉
Did you really run off and leave your brand new saw in the cut as the tree fell? Please tell me I didn't see that.
That's the best thing he did in the whole video
Need to loosen the chain a bit that saw would cut a lot better
ya glad you left your saw. way more important to get to safety. great video! are you in monterey county? looks familiar
That was one mo fo of a dangerous tree!
Dude that thing almost got yah!
10:30 keep looking UP
NOT a pine tree. Pine are evergreen and keep needles year round. You fell a deciduous tree. They loose their LEAVES every year. The only evergreen that I know to loose it's needles in the winter is the tamarack tree. Comments below are right. Better to be safe and take a danger tree down a little bit at a time.
I knew what was going to happen , happens every time with a tree like that especially when you can see the splits in the trunk of the tree
Wow nice video I might be doing a tree like that smaller but three out of one stump thank you now I know for sure the best way will be to cut each tree by it's self I would have left the saw to even if it was my 660