That was actually an interesting commercial you had. It was kinda quick but if I caught it right, it said the manufacturer was Gorbel and they were showing a small crane that you can fit in small areas but I didn't catch how much weight it picked. Your video was also great and you did a great job explaining it all without making it a five hour video. Thanks again.
Mark Mortensen, the commercials are random, and I don't get to choose them. Maybe I'll catch a glimpse of it in the future. Thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂👍
I worked in a precast concrete plant for a few years, ran bridge crane (hoist) all day. We didn't have any poly/nylon rigging as it wouldn't take the abrasion. I preferred chain over wire rope. The only one that was hard to handle was a four leg 5/8" 12' drop chain. Lower the hook to waist height to get on hoist as that's about as far as I wanted to lift the ring.
Thanks for taking the time to go through all these with us. We use pretty much only continuous slings doing arborist work so it's nice to see other styles and have some explanation to go with them. We also occasionally use dead eye slings rated for crane work. They have a spliced eye in one end and you tie the other end. We use them when balancing tree tops. Our rigging for lifting personnel has a 10:1 safety factor as required by ansi Z133-17.
That was a good explanation on the different slings for the lay man, that's why you have me keep up the good work. You wouldn't like what I'm doing at the moment I'm cleaning my stainless steel section on the front fence I built due to tea stain, each section is 2x1metres and there are 5, after cleaning I'm going to coat with a sealer so don't have to do again will send photos.
barry hansen, I try to describe everything in a way that those with no crane experience can take in. Hopefully I'm not going too in depth or over heads. Since you have experience in the subject, please let me know if you think I need to go into more detail. You have lots of stainless fence to clean. That doesn't sound fun. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Great info. The last part where you mentioned the 5:1 safety factor explained a lot. The steel rope had me puzzled at it’s capacity. It looked big enough to lift two of my trucks. Now I see that it could but it’s safety factor doesn’t allow it. I hope you get some shots on the crew rigging the new slings next week.
Dall Tex, thank you! I'm sure I'll get some footage next week. If the weather holds off. It will probably be footage that my mom won't like. I'm literally going to feet away from being in the Missouri River. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Just a reminder 5:1 is the design factor of the rope however sling angles, termination efficiency, and other factors play a role in determining it's capacity.
Great info I like the comments on the straps on the support trailer. I go thru the rub rail and hook the strap to the trailer frame Haven't read all the comments, but haven't seen anyone notice that you have chain tie down points/chains right on the trailer deck
good job i injoy your Chanel just getting back into the business with heavy haul experience testing within a week tLL will be taking the other two as well also some rigging classes I have a question are you a union shop
Great video Jimmy! I was always a big fan of a nice 4 way set of grade 80, 20’x3/8” lifting chains with shorteners attached to the D-rings. For most lifting 2 of the 4 chains was sufficient and the other 2 could be draped back to the D-ring. Occasionally we would have to break out the 1/2” set, but the weight difference is surprising. When using a set of chains like this, would you have any problem using a hook to hook connection to form a large basket type configuration? Chains seem to have fallen out of favor in the past cpl decades in favor of more nylons, but I’m still a big chain fan. 👉👍👈
psidvicious, I'm not as much of a fan of chains. The reasons being: if they fail, it happens without warning and pieces go flying. They are heavier. They have no "give" to them. As far as a hook to hook connection....I don't recall ever seeing anything that says it can't be done. As long as certain requirements are met. The hook can't be twisted, tip loaded or side loaded. Given the nature of that kind of connection, I would think there would be an inherent twist because of the hook dimensions. A safer practice would be to use a short wire rope sling, a ring, two shackles, or short synthetic sling to connect the hooks. Of course...all of that is just me thinking out loud. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Good observation about the twist. Not a rigging we typically used but happened from time to time. I think the reason we typically went with chains, was bcz of the versatility. Something was ALWAYS flying on the hook so we needed something suitable for everything from steel to rebar to lumber to pipe etc. Thanks for the reply. 🤙
Very interesting, I've always been under the assumption that the nylon was the best for all things,.... and..... I've been wrong ! 😊 Shoot, guess I can't use those lifting straps here in southern Arizona in the summer if you can't go over just 194 degrees ! 😊 Good info Jimmy, thanks! Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍
@@ToTheTopCrane Well I've put thermometers in my vehicles and after sitting in the sun for a few hours I've seen them hit anywhere from 165 to 185 degrees ! 🔥🔥 The old thing about being able to fry an egg on a piece of metal is true, I've done it many times ! We finally got a cool down the last few days, about 90 ! 😊
How about those hammer locks those been a while since I have had to put them together and when I did tree work and condemned a climbing line we coiled it up and run a knife through the hole coil rigging line too
Josh Welner, when a piece of rigging is condemned, the loops at the ends (if any) are cut, and the sling is cut in several places. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
tractorboy31, I've seen it done many times. My father in law is a retired farmer. It was always "just make it happen" on the farm. Thanks for sticking around for another video! 🙂👍
Great video but there’s 1 huge oops. Your trailer in NOT D.O.T. Compliant. All tiedown attachment points must be inboard of the rubrail. They don’t even want your chain hook tips on the outside. I got hammered hard on this in 2011. The only thing thats allowed outside are your bungee cord hooks, strap hooks or other tarp securement devices. My drivers were made to change everything at the scale houses. Those coil lifting chains are really nice. The company that made ours also made aluminum softeners for us.
Richard Savaglio, I wasn't aware of that. I just operate cranes. Lol. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I'll change it Monday. Those lifting chains are heavy. I'm glad I'll be using a crane to pick them up. 😉 Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
I don’t want to say anything you say is not true, and it may be on a state by state basis. in the US you can have load securement devices outside the rub rail but the FMCSA does want them inside whenever practical. The rub rail is not designed to support a load but it along with the spools makes the spools and stake pockets suitable for load securement. I haul slightly oversized loads and it overhangs the rail just an inch or two on the right side and flush on the left per Michigan law, making the transition from the load to the inside of the rail too great in order to do that.
Half-assed Garage it does kinda sound like it’s a state rule and differs with each state. I know Illinois and Indiana busted my drivers about it. I have a few trucks that run into Michigan hooked to 5 and 7 axle covered wagons hauling coils from the Gary area.
Noting that tiedown failure caused by trailers rubbing against fixed objects is “extremely rare,” the FMCSA decided in 2005 that removing the rub-rail rule would not detract from highway safety and would make enforcement more consistent. Despite objections from Canadian officials, the FMCSA issued a final rule in June 2006, rescinding the prohibition on routing tiedowns outside the rub rails. Thus, drivers and carriers are no longer prohibited from routing their tiedowns on the outside of the rub rails. Source: www.jjkeller.com
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If you don't mi d me asking...where did you buy those Chain Slings for Coils at? Thanks!
Typically the color is different and the chain should be embossed with some numbers. G30 and G43 are usually gray or zinc and would be embossed with those numbers. G70 is typically gold colored and should be embossed with a G70. G80 and G100 are typically black and should have HA800 or HA1000 embossed in them. They all sound a little different as well. The harder chains have a little more "ring" to them. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching! 🙂
Jimmy your tie down chains your loosing half of it working load limits the way you have them ran though the spools to the stack pockets per dot rules. The straps are rated shock load limit not tie down strength
I truly think you're just making this stuff up as you go. So how many pieces of rope / strand can be broke in one lay? 5 or 10? Isn't the whole piece called a rope, the individual pieces that make that rope is called rope, and the individual pieces that make that rope called strands? You have completely lost me!
G4 Outdoors, maybe today's video will help. I'm not making anything up. Wire rope is made of strands, the strands are made of individual wires. The number of wires that can be broken are..... 10 randomly distributed (meaning throughout all the strands) broken wires in one lay. Or 5 broken wires in one strand, in one lay. I'm sure that explanation did nothing for you. Lol Thanks for watching anyway! 🙂👍
You should really look up the FMCSA rules for tiedown strap and chain ratings before you make expert statements on how they are rated. It is part of the same basic rigging rating system, and while they are not usually rated for overhead lifting, they most certainly have safety margins in the rating, thus why the rating is SWLL, not breaking strength. Remember that while you think of your world as much more dangerous than transportation, just because your toys are more expensive lol, every single thing that you lift has been hauled down the road at 60 mph, and our tiedown systems have to be designed to handle that weight under extreme and unpredictable conditions, such as potholes, hard braking, expansion and contraction going from the mountains into the desert, etc etc, where you work and plan to avoid all such shock loading and unpredictability. Each rated device is rated and designed for a specific use, and there is nothing inferior for a different rated device, as long as you are using it for the correct application.
ke6gwf, I don't recall ever stating that my "world" is much more dangerous than transportation. Transportation is obviously a big part of my world. Everything but the crane is hauled to the site by truck. The point that I was trying to make is that tie down equipment is NOT rated for lifting and never should be used for such. All too often I have seen people on a job site, use a tie down chain for lifting something. Which is a bad practice. I am sorry if you thought that I was making the crane world out to be more superior or dangerous than that of the transportation industry. I know otherwise. I think you may have taken the point I was trying to make out of context.
I’m only 3 minutes into the video and I’m impressed. Most people are not aware of the fact that Nylon looses strength when wet.
That was actually an interesting commercial you had. It was kinda quick but if I caught it right, it said the manufacturer was Gorbel and they were showing a small crane that you can fit in small areas but I didn't catch how much weight it picked. Your video was also great and you did a great job explaining it all without making it a five hour video. Thanks again.
Mark Mortensen, the commercials are random, and I don't get to choose them. Maybe I'll catch a glimpse of it in the future. Thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂👍
I noticed that also but didn't catch the info on it, looked like it would be worth checking out ! 😊
We use to make the chain belts but haven't done one for years now.
I worked in a precast concrete plant for a few years, ran bridge crane (hoist) all day. We didn't have any poly/nylon rigging as it wouldn't take the abrasion. I preferred chain over wire rope. The only one that was hard to handle was a four leg 5/8" 12' drop chain. Lower the hook to waist height to get on hoist as that's about as far as I wanted to lift the ring.
Thanks for taking the time to go through all these with us. We use pretty much only continuous slings doing arborist work so it's nice to see other styles and have some explanation to go with them. We also occasionally use dead eye slings rated for crane work. They have a spliced eye in one end and you tie the other end. We use them when balancing tree tops.
Our rigging for lifting personnel has a 10:1 safety factor as required by ansi Z133-17.
That was a good explanation on the different slings for the lay man, that's why you have me keep up the good work. You wouldn't like what I'm doing at the moment I'm cleaning my stainless steel section on the front fence I built due to tea stain, each section is 2x1metres and there are 5, after cleaning I'm going to coat with a sealer so don't have to do again will send photos.
barry hansen, I try to describe everything in a way that those with no crane experience can take in. Hopefully I'm not going too in depth or over heads. Since you have experience in the subject, please let me know if you think I need to go into more detail. You have lots of stainless fence to clean. That doesn't sound fun. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
I think that you did well most lay people would understand what you said if you went into more detail you would lose them cheers.
@@barryhansen6854, thanks for the feedback! 👍
Great info. The last part where you mentioned the 5:1 safety factor explained a lot. The steel rope had me puzzled at it’s capacity. It looked big enough to lift two of my trucks. Now I see that it could but it’s safety factor doesn’t allow it. I hope you get some shots on the crew rigging the new slings next week.
Dall Tex, thank you! I'm sure I'll get some footage next week. If the weather holds off. It will probably be footage that my mom won't like. I'm literally going to feet away from being in the Missouri River. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Just a reminder 5:1 is the design factor of the rope however sling angles, termination efficiency, and other factors play a role in determining it's capacity.
Those Chain Slings are pretty neat. Never seen anything like that.
Great Video.
VideosByAl, those chain slings are neat....but heavy! Thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂👍
very interesting video and also very educational i didnt know alot of that will be cool to see the new gear in use
James Bergeron, thank you! If I have time, the barge videos will be the beginning of next week. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Great info I like the comments on the straps on the support trailer. I go thru the rub rail and hook the strap to the trailer frame Haven't read all the comments, but haven't seen anyone notice that you have chain tie down points/chains right on the trailer deck
I really like the opening shot of the “ Drive over shot”
mike manfred, thank you! Also, thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Thanks for the great video. Learning a whole new language
Rich Wielechowski, thank you! There is some different lingo in the world of cranes. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Great explanation! There is definitely a lot of things to look at and inspect before you just go lifting stuff!
Elite Earthworks LLC, there definitely is. Rigging is one of those things that you don't want to overlook. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Very interesting. This is definitely giving me some good ideas.
Alex Williamson'sadventures, thanks for tuning in and being part of the channel! 🙂👍
Awesome as always.
Adam Gipson, thank you, and thanks for watching! 🙂👍
good job i injoy your Chanel just getting back into the business with heavy haul experience testing within a week tLL will be taking the other two as well also some rigging classes I have a question are you a union shop
You seem like a good teacher better than me
Daniel Eyster, I don't know about being a good teacher. I just try to explain things where most people would understand. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Great video Jimmy! I was always a big fan of a nice 4 way set of grade 80, 20’x3/8” lifting chains with shorteners attached to the D-rings. For most lifting 2 of the 4 chains was sufficient and the other 2 could be draped back to the D-ring. Occasionally we would have to break out the 1/2” set, but the weight difference is surprising. When using a set of chains like this, would you have any problem using a hook to hook connection to form a large basket type configuration? Chains seem to have fallen out of favor in the past cpl decades in favor of more nylons, but I’m still a big chain fan.
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psidvicious, I'm not as much of a fan of chains. The reasons being: if they fail, it happens without warning and pieces go flying. They are heavier. They have no "give" to them. As far as a hook to hook connection....I don't recall ever seeing anything that says it can't be done. As long as certain requirements are met. The hook can't be twisted, tip loaded or side loaded. Given the nature of that kind of connection, I would think there would be an inherent twist because of the hook dimensions. A safer practice would be to use a short wire rope sling, a ring, two shackles, or short synthetic sling to connect the hooks. Of course...all of that is just me thinking out loud. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Good observation about the twist. Not a rigging we typically used but happened from time to time. I think the reason we typically went with chains, was bcz of the versatility. Something was ALWAYS flying on the hook so we needed something suitable for everything from steel to rebar to lumber to pipe etc. Thanks for the reply. 🤙
V nice video sir...From India
Gurwinder Singh, thank you, and thanks for watching! 🙂👍
To The Top Crane Iam your new subscriber ...
Along with the fiber optic strand are twin path continuous loop. $$$
Of course man!
Very interesting, I've always been under the assumption that the nylon was the best for all things,.... and..... I've been wrong ! 😊
Shoot, guess I can't use those lifting straps here in southern Arizona in the summer if you can't go over just 194 degrees ! 😊
Good info Jimmy, thanks!
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍
Ken Gamble, thank you! If it gets over 194 degrees there....you need to move, ASAP! Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
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Well I've put thermometers in my vehicles and after sitting in the sun for a few hours I've seen them hit anywhere from 165 to 185 degrees ! 🔥🔥
The old thing about being able to fry an egg on a piece of metal is true, I've done it many times !
We finally got a cool down the last few days, about 90 ! 😊
How about those hammer locks those been a while since I have had to put them together and when I did tree work and condemned a climbing line we coiled it up and run a knife through the hole coil rigging line too
Josh Welner, when a piece of rigging is condemned, the loops at the ends (if any) are cut, and the sling is cut in several places. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
Jimmy.. where can I find a video of u using the new to u alloy coil sling?
Very nice
Jimmy, I was wondering who is responsible for inspecting the chains and other rigging?
WhiteHot366, we inspect the rigging in house. Beams, baskets and cranes are inspected by an outside entity. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
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Doug Smith, thanks for watching! 🙂👍
I use my chains regularly for lifting but thats with my farm tractor which can only lift like 1.2 k. Very interesting
tractorboy31, I've seen it done many times. My father in law is a retired farmer. It was always "just make it happen" on the farm. Thanks for sticking around for another video! 🙂👍
Great video but there’s 1 huge oops. Your trailer in NOT D.O.T. Compliant. All tiedown attachment points must be inboard of the rubrail. They don’t even want your chain hook tips on the outside. I got hammered hard on this in 2011. The only thing thats allowed outside are your bungee cord hooks, strap hooks or other tarp securement devices. My drivers were made to change everything at the scale houses. Those coil lifting chains are really nice. The company that made ours also made aluminum softeners for us.
Richard Savaglio, I wasn't aware of that. I just operate cranes. Lol. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I'll change it Monday. Those lifting chains are heavy. I'm glad I'll be using a crane to pick them up. 😉 Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
I don’t want to say anything you say is not true, and it may be on a state by state basis. in the US you can have load securement devices outside the rub rail but the FMCSA does want them inside whenever practical. The rub rail is not designed to support a load but it along with the spools makes the spools and stake pockets suitable for load securement. I haul slightly oversized loads and it overhangs the rail just an inch or two on the right side and flush on the left per Michigan law, making the transition from the load to the inside of the rail too great in order to do that.
Half-assed Garage it does kinda sound like it’s a state rule and differs with each state. I know Illinois and Indiana busted my drivers about it. I have a few trucks that run into Michigan hooked to 5 and 7 axle covered wagons hauling coils from the Gary area.
@@half-assedgarage6668, sounds like I have some weekend homework to do. Thanks for the info and for watching! 🙂👍
Noting that tiedown failure caused by trailers rubbing against fixed objects is “extremely rare,” the FMCSA decided in 2005 that removing the rub-rail rule would not detract from highway safety and would make enforcement more consistent. Despite objections from Canadian officials, the FMCSA issued a final rule in June 2006, rescinding the prohibition on routing tiedowns outside the rub rails.
Thus, drivers and carriers are no longer prohibited from routing their tiedowns on the outside of the rub rails.
Source: www.jjkeller.com
If you don't mi d me asking...where did you buy those Chain Slings for Coils at? Thanks!
Taylor Alldredge, I'm not sure. But, I'll find out for you. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
with the naked eye how can someone tell if there purchasing alloy chain or logging chain
Typically the color is different and the chain should be embossed with some numbers. G30 and G43 are usually gray or zinc and would be embossed with those numbers. G70 is typically gold colored and should be embossed with a G70. G80 and G100 are typically black and should have HA800 or HA1000 embossed in them. They all sound a little different as well. The harder chains have a little more "ring" to them. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching! 🙂
Jimmy your tie down chains your loosing half of it working load limits the way you have them ran though the spools to the stack pockets per dot rules. The straps are rated shock load limit not tie down strength
John Warren, thanks for the info! We will change it next week. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
I truly think you're just making this stuff up as you go. So how many pieces of rope / strand can be broke in one lay? 5 or 10? Isn't the whole piece called a rope, the individual pieces that make that rope is called rope, and the individual pieces that make that rope called strands? You have completely lost me!
G4 Outdoors, maybe today's video will help. I'm not making anything up. Wire rope is made of strands, the strands are made of individual wires. The number of wires that can be broken are..... 10 randomly distributed (meaning throughout all the strands) broken wires in one lay. Or 5 broken wires in one strand, in one lay. I'm sure that explanation did nothing for you. Lol Thanks for watching anyway! 🙂👍
You should really look up the FMCSA rules for tiedown strap and chain ratings before you make expert statements on how they are rated.
It is part of the same basic rigging rating system, and while they are not usually rated for overhead lifting, they most certainly have safety margins in the rating, thus why the rating is SWLL, not breaking strength.
Remember that while you think of your world as much more dangerous than transportation, just because your toys are more expensive lol, every single thing that you lift has been hauled down the road at 60 mph, and our tiedown systems have to be designed to handle that weight under extreme and unpredictable conditions, such as potholes, hard braking, expansion and contraction going from the mountains into the desert, etc etc, where you work and plan to avoid all such shock loading and unpredictability.
Each rated device is rated and designed for a specific use, and there is nothing inferior for a different rated device, as long as you are using it for the correct application.
ke6gwf, I don't recall ever stating that my "world" is much more dangerous than transportation. Transportation is obviously a big part of my world. Everything but the crane is hauled to the site by truck.
The point that I was trying to make is that tie down equipment is NOT rated for lifting and never should be used for such. All too often I have seen people on a job site, use a tie down chain for lifting something. Which is a bad practice.
I am sorry if you thought that I was making the crane world out to be more superior or dangerous than that of the transportation industry. I know otherwise. I think you may have taken the point I was trying to make out of context.
Measured response. 👍
@@psidvicious, yes sir. I'm sure my mother is even surprised by my tact and restraint on this one. Lol
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