It seems like I've been playing golf forever. For much of that time my golf swing resembled a badly made jigsaw, where some of the pieces never correctly matched up. Now, thanks to this video and your other excellent Hogan-based instruction videos, I enjoy the kind of confidence over the ball I've never before experienced. You speak of helping golfers be the best they can be. That's certainly working for me. Thank you for offering this content and doing what you do, Chris it's greatly appreciated.
As an aspiring golfer, I really appreciate your teachings Chris. I’ve been trying to flatten out my swing, both downswing and backswing for years and my progress has been very little and very slow. In the last week watching your teachings over and over and going to the range and practicing and playing, I feel as if I’ve made six months in progress in a week I videoed myself last night and I don’t think my swing has ever been as flat and rotational both going back in through. Thank you so much, Chris ! God bless you.
Imo, this is the best of all your training videos (which is saying something because the others are also good). If I feel the pressure from those three fingers and concentrate on that, it makes it very difficult to NOT square up the club head through impact. This is really my only swing thought…keep the left forehand up by feeling the pressure in the three fingers…also, this really coils up the body and arms…you gain a very straight to a tiny fade of ball flight with an increase in distance. Thanks so much for all your tips, they have really helped me.
I had that grip experience manifested where you become aware that you right palm pads can push against and through guiding the draw or the cut with precision...fantastic channel
I am a golf nut, who just couldnt get it, until I stumbled over myself, how the left arm sabotaged the right arm in the downswing. So: I tried with partial success to take the club awaywith more left forearm pressure and then the reverse it in the downswing. However; this video has explained all that and how to do it in a more effective way. Thank You so much Chris. Grateful Aussie.
I tried the grip from the previous lesson with the lead thumb on the lead side of the club and it seems to be great, but I will give more detail once I have taken it to the course with all clubs. There is no gap between my hands and the club with that grip at the top of the backswing. Secure...
Have watched several of your videos this week...love them! Have always been a big Hogan fan, but his "teaching" had been a mystery until now. Thank you! I would like to see a chronological list of your videos...mainly because I'm not sure what you mean when referring to the way the swing starts from waggle, to trigger, etc. Haven't found the videos previous to this one that covers that part.😀
Thanks for the comment. There really is not order for the videos on the TH-cam channel. However, in the Master Class on my website polygongolf.com the entire process is broken down from A to Z. Glad you are watching.
Right on the money...... as a lefty I have trained my right arm and my last three fingers for 15 years by bouncing a ball with my lob wedge 10 minutes a day every day ......my right forearm and last three fingers are no more linguine, they are bethlehem steel ......I control the club face.....
This is very interesting. John Schlee talked about this. Schlee was one of a few people that received instruction from Ben Hogan. John would demonstrate the pinchers of the left hand. If you squeeze the pinchers only then the muscles of the top of the left forearm activate. If you squeeze the bottom three fingers only of the left hand the muscles of underside of the forearm are activated. Tom Bertrand who worked with John Schlee talks about Hogan’s little twist of the left hand.
It is amazing when you do it the way Hogan did or at least understand it. By understanding something gives us the ability to see if it would be beneficial to us on a personal level. I know for me it really has. Hogan just saw things through a different lens in my opinion and he absolutely owned his golf swing. Thanks for your comment.
Do you thing this is just fine for beginners? Not to complicated for them? I’ m teaching a lot of beginners. But for me it is a revelation. Many many thanks sir. Martin 5 hdcp Quebec City
I've been floating back and forth on grips constantly since I started playing a few years ago. Recently I've concluded that this Hogan style feels intuitive in ways that the flexed or flat lead wrist never did. IMO: Hinging and pressuring the grip is much easier. But to prevent striking the ball with an open face it is vital to maintain flex in the trail wrist throughout the downswing also. Doing so creates opposing twisting force with the hands, like wringing water out of a towel, like Pete Cowen has talked about to stabilize the club head. I then can go radial and the face stays square. And upon ulnar deviation into impact, I discovered my lead forearm naturally supinates, trail arm pronates and closes the face. But the shaft lean balances it back out, squares it back up. I naturally hit balls arrow straight consistently with these techniques and it feels intuitive. Fun Fact: Neither DJ nor Morikawa try to bow their lead wrists deliberately. They have weak grips and do what has always felt natural for them to square the club face at impact. They said this on camera. All that matters is moment of impact. Proper shaft lean, generally square face, stable club. I've seen an armless man accomplish these fundamentals basically using the side of his head and shoulder. Golf is awesome. Relax and put away the cookie cutters.
Does the club face square up automatically when the left forearm rotates back on the downswing, or should I be rotating my left hand into the ball? Thanks for the videos.
The hand is always going to control the forearm rotation, the back of the left hand, when it turns down, the way I have described, will allow the forearm to rotate naturally without you having to think about it.
I use a two finger overlap on trail hand. If you think about this, when have you ever thrown anything in your right hand using three fingers? Probably never. Two fingers and your thumb are always used no matter the size of the object with one exception a football. Just think about that for awhile and see if it helps to only have two fingers and thumb on right hand when gripping the club. It helped me .
I've been struggling forever with a bowed left wrist and very shut club face at the top (think DJ without the athletic ability to recover from there). It really is a death position, yet modern instruction seems to promote a 'bowed' left wrist as a power position. Cupped wrist and loft is the way to do it, as Hogan knew. A good drill for most amateurs is to hit balls with the left arm only, start with chips.
Most modern instruction is based off of what the current best players in the world are doing, because of this, it really complicates things for recreational players. Thanks for the comment.
Thank you for these videos. I spent last summer working on this before my hip replacement surgery. I played two rounds after I think I truly found something that worked similar to what Mr. Hogan did. I couldn’t play for a few months after surgery and have been working on getting back to where I was pre-op. Your videos are really helping!
Thanks for the comment. I am glad they are helping you and thanks for watching. I hope you have fully recovered and are getting back into the full swing of things.
I’m a fan of Ben Hogan and the Stack and Tilt method. You often use a baseball swing analogy. I am most comfortable with the baseball grip. Does this grip lend itself well to the Hogan Swing?
Of course Ben Hogan's swing had many components, so all the talk about his "secret" may be of minor importance . . . having said that, the feature of his swing that you are covering in this video seems the closest to what I would consider his "secret." Well done . . . and thank you!!!
Chris, I found hogan dead right cure btw. So in position of impact (around trail leg or beyond), you just start to un waggle as fast as you could. It promote squaring the club head If your lead shoulder enough up, it will create flat swing path in hitting area. What do you think ? It is correct or it should done automatically?
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan ok will do, keep sharing mind blowing detail of Ben Hogan swing. Btw would you discuss waggle as the first part of the swing, I still confuse about proper waggle and why Ben said that waggle + shoulder = back swing with widen arc And also mention about waggle tempo as reference of the swing it self
I must be doing this wrong. I feel a swipe across my target line. High fades (not a slice) but losing mega distance. I tried starting with a bit more of a closed face but it turned 20 yard pull. What am missing?
Are your hands squaring up the club face coming into the ball? Are you coming slightly from the inside coming into the ball? Is your trail shoulder moving out towards the ball during transition? Think baseball. When you release a baseball bat, through the hitting area, what does that feel like? It is the same thing.
Golf is mechanically complex and he pointed out the left three fingers that rotate the left forearm and last point the right palm facing sky the back of right hand face down. It is very interesting points or you call it’s a secret of Ben Hogan.
A lot of truth to what you are saying, if you ever heard of ABS Advanced Ball Striking? If you haven’t, it’s the same concepts you are talking about, it’s just explained a bit differently, but great stuff Chris, love your view on it!
Hogan developed this because he had a terrible hooking problem that took over a year to fix. Don't know if this would be recommended for someone without a hooking issue.
He did, but when you fully understand a baseball swing and how to apply it to the golf swing is when the magic happens. Some instructors talk about it being a baseball swing. Others say a baseball swing screws up the golf swing. For those that say it screws up a golf swing, they are dead wrong. Thanks for the comment.
Seems like you did a video that said Hogans left thumb was placed left of center of the grip,was I dreaming ? something to do with feeling the club head..My feeling about pronate and suponate ala Hogan and the new swing that promotes body rotation is,they both work,but Hogans approach requires more athleticism.
@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan Hogans swing,which I am a believer in,does require more precise timing than the modern swing.in reality, Palmer, Nicklaus, Nelson,Casper and so on all owned their own Unique swings.However at the moment of impact they were remarkably similar. I am a childhood friend of Nicklaus and he beat me by a stroke in our district amateur. I like your videos and your use of demonstration to convey your interpretation of Hogans bible.one of my favorite pros was Toski,I spent a few hours with him at Hilton head years ago. God bless
No one will ever be Mr. Hogan, but we can learn and follow the blueprint he laid out for us. When we learn the fundamentals and all the small details we can truly become great ball strikers and great players of the game of golf.
simple hogan fought a hook. if the average player listens to you they'll hit it dead right. getting the left wrist to pronate at impact takes hours of hitting balls daily. the average player don't practice enough. again hit a few shots into the monitor for us. show us how it's done
@@kevinkeding8937 Hogan changed his grip, not his golf swing. No they won't and it doesn't, when you understand how it works it is like tying your shoes, but you need to understand how it works and have the correct information. You like a lot of other people think you need to hit a thousand balls to make a swing change, again incorrect, you just need to practice the motions. Keep drinking the main stream Kool-Aid and see where that gets you or anyone else. Doing it the way you think is the reason the Global Handicaps for golfers are terrible. You don't give people enough credit for being intelligent. Thanks for your opinions though.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan well i can say for sure you don't have it right. if so easy why don't you hit some shots into the monitor for us so we can see ball flight
It seems like I've been playing golf forever. For much of that time my golf swing resembled a badly made jigsaw, where some of the pieces never correctly matched up. Now, thanks to this video and your other excellent Hogan-based instruction videos, I enjoy the kind of confidence over the ball I've never before experienced. You speak of helping golfers be the best they can be. That's certainly working for me. Thank you for offering this content and doing what you do, Chris it's greatly appreciated.
As an aspiring golfer, I really appreciate your teachings Chris. I’ve been trying to flatten out my swing, both downswing and backswing for years and my progress has been very little and very slow. In the last week watching your teachings over and over and going to the range and practicing and playing, I feel as if I’ve made six months in progress in a week I videoed myself last night and I don’t think my swing has ever been as flat and rotational both going back in through. Thank you so much, Chris ! God bless you.
That is absolutely fantastic. 6 Months of progress in 1 week is awesome as well. Thanks for watching and thanks so much for sharing your experience.
Imo, this is the best of all your training videos (which is saying something because the others are also good). If I feel the pressure from those three fingers and concentrate on that, it makes it very difficult to NOT square up the club head through impact. This is really my only swing thought…keep the left forehand up by feeling the pressure in the three fingers…also, this really coils up the body and arms…you gain a very straight to a tiny fade of ball flight with an increase in distance. Thanks so much for all your tips, they have really helped me.
Thanks. I am glad they are helping you and I am extremely delighted you are watching the channel.
I had that grip experience manifested where you become aware that you right palm pads can push against and through guiding the draw or the cut with precision...fantastic channel
Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience. Thanks.
I am a golf nut, who just couldnt get it, until I stumbled over myself, how the left arm sabotaged the right arm in the downswing. So: I tried with partial success to take the club awaywith more left forearm pressure and then the reverse it in the downswing. However;
this video has explained all that and how to do it in a more effective way.
Thank You so much Chris.
Grateful Aussie.
You're welcome and thanks for tuning in and watching.
This has been the most clarifying lesson in the series. Very good.
Thanks
I tried the grip from the previous lesson with the lead thumb on the lead side of the club and it seems to be great, but I will give more detail once I have taken it to the course with all clubs. There is no gap between my hands and the club with that grip at the top of the backswing. Secure...
How did it go on the course?
Have watched several of your videos this week...love them! Have always been a big Hogan fan, but his "teaching" had been a mystery until now. Thank you! I would like to see a chronological list of your videos...mainly because I'm not sure what you mean when referring to the way the swing starts from waggle, to trigger, etc. Haven't found the videos previous to this one that covers that part.😀
Thanks for the comment. There really is not order for the videos on the TH-cam channel. However, in the Master Class on my website polygongolf.com the entire process is broken down from A to Z. Glad you are watching.
Right on the money...... as a lefty I have trained my right arm and my last three fingers for 15 years by bouncing a ball with my lob wedge 10 minutes a day every day ......my right forearm and last three fingers are no more linguine, they are bethlehem steel ......I control the club face.....
Awesome.
This is very interesting. John Schlee talked about this. Schlee was one of a few people that received instruction from Ben Hogan. John would demonstrate the pinchers of the left hand. If you squeeze the pinchers only then the muscles of the top of the left forearm activate. If you squeeze the bottom three fingers only of the left hand the muscles of underside of the forearm are activated. Tom Bertrand who worked with John Schlee talks about Hogan’s little twist of the left hand.
It is amazing when you do it the way Hogan did or at least understand it. By understanding something gives us the ability to see if it would be beneficial to us on a personal level. I know for me it really has. Hogan just saw things through a different lens in my opinion and he absolutely owned his golf swing. Thanks for your comment.
Do you thing this is just fine for beginners? Not to complicated for them? I’ m teaching a lot of beginners. But for me it is a revelation. Many many thanks sir.
Martin 5 hdcp Quebec City
I do think it is. If it is helping you, why wouldn't it help them.
I've been floating back and forth on grips constantly since I started playing a few years ago. Recently I've concluded that this Hogan style feels intuitive in ways that the flexed or flat lead wrist never did. IMO: Hinging and pressuring the grip is much easier. But to prevent striking the ball with an open face it is vital to maintain flex in the trail wrist throughout the downswing also. Doing so creates opposing twisting force with the hands, like wringing water out of a towel, like Pete Cowen has talked about to stabilize the club head. I then can go radial and the face stays square. And upon ulnar deviation into impact, I discovered my lead forearm naturally supinates, trail arm pronates and closes the face. But the shaft lean balances it back out, squares it back up. I naturally hit balls arrow straight consistently with these techniques and it feels intuitive.
Fun Fact: Neither DJ nor Morikawa try to bow their lead wrists deliberately. They have weak grips and do what has always felt natural for them to square the club face at impact. They said this on camera.
All that matters is moment of impact. Proper shaft lean, generally square face, stable club. I've seen an armless man accomplish these fundamentals basically using the side of his head and shoulder.
Golf is awesome. Relax and put away the cookie cutters.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Kewl Chris i see myself start drilling this tomorrow morning thanks for all you do brother.
Thanks for the comment and your welcome, thanks for watching.
Love this! Keep it coming. Thanks
Thanks for the comment, I will for sure.
Does the club face square up automatically when the left forearm rotates back on the downswing, or should I be rotating my left hand into the ball? Thanks for the videos.
The hand is always going to control the forearm rotation, the back of the left hand, when it turns down, the way I have described, will allow the forearm to rotate naturally without you having to think about it.
I use a two finger overlap on trail hand. If you think about this, when have you ever thrown anything in your right hand using three fingers? Probably never. Two fingers and your thumb are always used no matter the size of the object with one exception a football. Just think about that for awhile and see if it helps to only have two fingers and thumb on right hand when gripping the club. It helped me .
Great info as always. If the haters don’t like it they should go elsewhere. Don’t waste your time typing with them. Thanks.
Thanks and will do.
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This is just awesome.
Thanks for the comment.
I've been struggling forever with a bowed left wrist and very shut club face at the top (think DJ without the athletic ability to recover from there). It really is a death position, yet modern instruction seems to promote a 'bowed' left wrist as a power position. Cupped wrist and loft is the way to do it, as Hogan knew. A good drill for most amateurs is to hit balls with the left arm only, start with chips.
Most modern instruction is based off of what the current best players in the world are doing, because of this, it really complicates things for recreational players. Thanks for the comment.
Hi John, this will sell you even more. th-cam.com/video/o8xO2nN0LT0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for these videos. I spent last summer working on this before my hip replacement surgery. I played two rounds after I think I truly found something that worked similar to what Mr. Hogan did. I couldn’t play for a few months after surgery and have been working on getting back to where I was pre-op. Your videos are really helping!
Thanks for the comment. I am glad they are helping you and thanks for watching. I hope you have fully recovered and are getting back into the full swing of things.
430am I’m getting up to practice!
Nice
I’m a fan of Ben Hogan and the Stack and Tilt method. You often use a baseball swing analogy. I am most comfortable with the baseball grip. Does this grip lend itself well to the Hogan Swing?
More likely to help you get the correct feeling in the lead hand.
Is that NYC in the background?
Of course Ben Hogan's swing had many components, so all the talk about his "secret" may be of minor importance . . . having said that, the feature of his swing that you are covering in this video seems the closest to what I would consider his "secret." Well done . . . and thank you!!!
Thanks for your comment and thank you.
Chris do u roll ur hands at impact or coming into the ball?
Coming into ball to square the face.
Chris, I found hogan dead right cure btw.
So in position of impact (around trail leg or beyond), you just start to un waggle as fast as you could. It promote squaring the club head
If your lead shoulder enough up, it will create flat swing path in hitting area.
What do you think ? It is correct or it should done automatically?
Try thinking about it like swing a baseball bat. I think that will help.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan ok will do, keep sharing mind blowing detail of Ben Hogan swing.
Btw would you discuss waggle as the first part of the swing,
I still confuse about proper waggle and why Ben said that waggle + shoulder = back swing with widen arc
And also mention about waggle tempo as reference of the swing it self
Love it
Thanks.
I must be doing this wrong. I feel a swipe across my target line. High fades (not a slice) but losing mega distance. I tried starting with a bit more of a closed face but it turned 20 yard pull. What am missing?
Are your hands squaring up the club face coming into the ball? Are you coming slightly from the inside coming into the ball? Is your trail shoulder moving out towards the ball during transition? Think baseball. When you release a baseball bat, through the hitting area, what does that feel like? It is the same thing.
Chris! do you have golf schools teaching Face-to-Face education?
Yes, I teach face to face, no schools. Working on getting live online lessons set up over the next several days.
Golf is mechanically complex and he pointed out the left three fingers that rotate the left forearm and last point the right palm facing sky the back of right hand face down. It is very interesting points or you call it’s a secret of Ben Hogan.
Thanks for the comment.
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This make more sense as a flat wrist seems less powerful
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A lot of truth to what you are saying, if you ever heard of ABS Advanced Ball Striking? If you haven’t, it’s the same concepts you are talking about, it’s just explained a bit differently, but great stuff Chris, love your view on it!
I have seen a little of the ABS stuff, not much of it though. Thanks for your comment.
Hogan developed this because he had a terrible hooking problem that took over a year to fix. Don't know if this would be recommended for someone without a hooking issue.
He did, but when you fully understand a baseball swing and how to apply it to the golf swing is when the magic happens. Some instructors talk about it being a baseball swing. Others say a baseball swing screws up the golf swing. For those that say it screws up a golf swing, they are dead wrong. Thanks for the comment.
Seems like you did a video that said Hogans left thumb was placed left of center of the grip,was I dreaming ? something to do with feeling the club head..My feeling about pronate and suponate ala Hogan and the new swing that promotes body rotation is,they both work,but Hogans approach requires more athleticism.
Hogan's approach does not require more athleticism, it just requires paying attention to the smaller details.
@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan
Hogans swing,which I am a believer in,does require more precise timing than the modern swing.in reality, Palmer, Nicklaus, Nelson,Casper and so on all owned their own Unique swings.However at the moment of impact they were remarkably similar.
I am a childhood friend of Nicklaus and he beat me by a stroke in our district amateur.
I like your videos and your use of demonstration to convey your interpretation of Hogans bible.one of my favorite pros was Toski,I spent a few hours with him at Hilton head years ago.
God bless
TOMMY BOY
Or take golf lessons with a teaching pro, you are not hogan, be you
No one will ever be Mr. Hogan, but we can learn and follow the blueprint he laid out for us. When we learn the fundamentals and all the small details we can truly become great ball strikers and great players of the game of golf.
Exactly! Emulating Ben Hogan or any other pro will only make you more frustrated find your own swing !
Way too redundant. This video did not need to be 17 minutes long.
Thanks for your comment.
I appreciate the video but too many this and that’s
TOMMY NOY selling brake pads on his first presentation when the cars catch on fire… RIP CHRIS FARLEY( where is the deer)?
don't do this
Why not? Make sure it is your absolute expert opinion from over 30 years of teaching when you answer.
simple hogan fought a hook. if the average player listens to you they'll hit it dead right. getting the left wrist to pronate at impact takes hours of hitting balls daily. the average player don't practice enough. again hit a few shots into the monitor for us. show us how it's done
@@kevinkeding8937 Hogan changed his grip, not his golf swing. No they won't and it doesn't, when you understand how it works it is like tying your shoes, but you need to understand how it works and have the correct information. You like a lot of other people think you need to hit a thousand balls to make a swing change, again incorrect, you just need to practice the motions. Keep drinking the main stream Kool-Aid and see where that gets you or anyone else. Doing it the way you think is the reason the Global Handicaps for golfers are terrible. You don't give people enough credit for being intelligent. Thanks for your opinions though.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan well i can say for sure you don't have it right. if so easy why don't you hit some shots into the monitor for us so we can see ball flight
@@kevinkeding8937 for sure based on what? Your opinion?