MICHAEL KELSCH vs SHOHEI KIMURA - Pokémon VGC Masters Finals | Pokémon Worlds 2023
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- Watch Michael Kelsch vs Shohei Kimura in the Pokémon VGC Masters Grand Finals in Yokohama, Japan!
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Seeing a man lose because of an icicle crash flinch is painful
Respect to Micheal for some unconventional picks and still making it to finals.
I mean with this meta Farigiraf was the only unconventional Pokémon but still some pretty unique choices. Dragapult actually won NAIC if I remember correctly so it was a good call
Did anyone else notice the game showed the sleep animation at the beginning of the turn before amoongus used spore?
I saw that as well, weird visual glitch I guess
I was confused as to how he spores a supposedly sleeping Pokémon
That and background structures kept popping in and out, sometimes it showed the wrong trainers. Worlds looked patched together this year
It's a very well known bug (at least in my bubble). It's there since the release of the games!
If a Pkmn is going to sleep at the end of the turn you're able to see it after everyone choses their moves.
Gotcha. I don't actually have the game unfortunately, I just watch the occasional match, so I didn't know. Thanks@@Leuler89
Congratulations to Shohei for the victory. Very good job to Michael too, incredible run for his first year playing
I’m Still Trynna Figure Out Why Tf He Used Surging Strikes On Amoongus ??! 😂
@@melvondrewhite2674 rage powder?
@@melvondrewhite2674He needed the chip damage to kill Amoonguss with dragapult Tera Blast Ghost. With Chien Pao on the field that would be enough but Shohei played it very well and switched Chien-Pao out to Urshifu and Amoonguss survived. That was Top Level VGC from both.
@@melvondrewhite2674 Would have killed if shohei didn't switch out his chien-pao
@@angovgc2371 Guys Look At @20:35 If He Ice-Punches Amoongus & Choice Band Tera Ghost With Dragapult That Would’ve Taken It Out . Chien-pao Has NOTHING To Do With That . 😂
As a german, I am really proud of you Michael. Thank you for representing Germany so well with a rather unique team! Beim nächsten Mal klappt's bestimmt 🙏🏻
Almans stick together 🤝🏻💪🏻
Michael still making his country proud 💪
first ever german in a Worlds Final (of the Masters Division, dunno if we had someone in Seniors or Juniors there)
yeah we saw where german pride leads, better you stay humble after losing.
@@BatmanPooping lol. lmao even.
@@BatmanPoopingwhat is even wrong with you? touch grass buddy
@@BatmanPoopingStfu and go back to pooping….what a ridiculous comment. People that did fight in world wars would have whooped your pooping device by now if they’d hear you talk.
@@BatmanPoopingI highly doubt anyone will take "Batman Pooping" seriously. Might as well stop while you're ahead.
The best part about a meta with miraidon is that hadron engine will effectively invalidate amoonguss
Probably the only good thing about a meta with Miraidon
Chien Pao will be more meta then because of Ice Spinner, which gets rid of any terrain
its honestly something im excited for, its the only reason violet paradox mons aren't dominanting rn its because it's the only electric terrain setter
@@stonefacecollin what about my boy pincurchin
When are we getting that meta exactly?
They really need to make sleeping pokemon wake-up on contact/damage and by select sound moves. If not hit then stay asleep for 1-3 turns, but allow for the battle to be more dynamic, that way you can wake your own pokemon if you need to, balancing the status condition.
Or just add sleepy status from pla
Or just remove spore from Amoongus. That op move should've stayed with Parasect and Breloom. Should've never been put on a tanky mon because that's where it is oppresive. Hell, not even Darkrai, who has an ability that makes enemy pokemon lose HP if they're asleep, has a 100% acc move (I know it can target both in vgc).
@@TheTriforcekeeper i mean looking at the move pool loss I can see gen 10 ammongus loosing spore lmfao
Isn’t that what electric surge is for tho , but you’re right if helping hand could wake up sleeping Pokémon that be good , or add a move called jump start making a sleeping Pokémon move first and uses a random move
There's a million counters against sleep. But everyone uses the exact same builds, so it appears as though Spore is the most impactful move with no answers.
Seeing Farigiraf in the finals warms my heart
Why can't we hear the sound from the actual game??? Pretty strange for a video game final...
Farigiraf was almost a world champ
They should have a live orchestra playing during these matches
can’t believe the finals of the biggest event of the year is only a bo3. Definitely would’ve loved to see at least one game especially since the first round was decided by a flinch.
We all felt that flinch
Amoonguss was absolutely devastating…still the reigning VGC support mon champion.
I still don't know what they were thinking when they decided to give Amoonguss Pollen Puff of all things.
Unova Pokemon are amazing at VGC to be honest if you take a look.
@@lionel1189 Yeah true the genies too are so good. Are there any others from Unova?
@@ShivJ16 Gothitelle, Conkeldurr, Hydreigon, Whimsicott, Keookodile all have won world championships
Not against me hehe. All of my teams in my now 10-season career have anti-status. Safeguard, Misty Terrain, Fini obv during the SM era. Speaking of which my Safeguard boys are finally returning in DLC #2 :D .
Now I am waiting for my Mystery Gift World Champion Amoongus
The spore attacks are such annoying, I feel the salt 😵💫
Michael played so well, so unfortunate for him
Did anyone else see that in the second game where urshifu was using surging strikes on shoheis urshifu that it had the “Z’s” pop up as if it was asleep?
It's even in the first game, where Dragapult uses Dragon Darts.
Great job to Shohei, I thought he really showed the value of experience with great switches and pressure, setting up his win condition quickly and turning the battle in his favour from the beginning
I’m Still Trynna Figure Out Why Tf He Used Surging Strikes On Amoongus ??! 😂
He probably would have lost match one if icicle crash didnt flinch rilla. 2nd he clearly lost, a third one would have been great. Anyways, gz to Japan.
@@felixgohler3533 Yep EASY💯
He needed the chip damage to kill Amoonguss with dragapult Tera Blast Ghost. With Chien Pao on the field that would be enough but Shohei played it very well and switched Chien-Pao out to Urshifu and Amoonguss survived. That was Top Level VGC from both.
Amoongus hard carried. No sleep clause is crazy tho. Nice to see a Japanese player win in Japan
Japanese players always win no matter what country their in because this game originates in their home country and they play a lot. At least that’s how it seems to me based on videos I’ve watched and things I’ve read.
@@suekitty1335 Japan has 4 masters division worlds wins and the US also has 4 3 of which were Ray Rizzo
Isn't sleep clause only a fan rule?
@@sirmel11 sleep clause originates from the ancient official RBY tournaments
Oh really? I didn't know that. Thank you. @@zak0917
My god I would've lost my mind at that damn mushroom. There's a difference between losing a challenging game and losing a tedious game, and that damn mushroom made it a tedious and frustrating battle to watch.
Needless to say I do not have the patience for competitive pokemon
Was rooting for Farigiraf and Dragapult to win their first worlds anyways fun fact: no paldea normal pokemon has ever won a vgc worlds since only paradox pokemon (flutter mane, iron hands) and legendaries (chien pao) won vgc this year counting all divisions
@@Rowletgamer355nahh incineroar is coming back in the 2nd dlc and it wants its 4th win. Why use any other fake out pokemon than it?
the trainer is changing mid battle that's hilarious
How is possible that we can see the asleep animation on the pokemon before Amongus used Spore!?
The game probably calculates the outcome of the turn instantly upon all the moves being locked in, so the game already knew Urshifu was going to sleep. I guess it's just a bug that the game starts showing the ZZZ effect as soon as it calculates that, rather than waiting until the turn is actually played out in real time for the player.
all the comments say it, that flinch won the title. brilliant stuff, my Mewtwo, Charmander and Glaceon saw who our new champion is. Congratulations
here is the finale let's get this championship unfolded
No World Champion battle theme?
They don't do that anymore... 😔 We never will have epic music again it seems
These are dark times.
With the Indigo Disk DLC reintroducing all the Gen 5 music, perhaps there's a tiny chance we get a remix of the finals music, which was first introduced in Gen 5. At least that's what I keep telling myself.
I know everyone will be complaining about Amoongus. Michael really only has 2 pokemon that can pressure it + Rillaboom, he should probably have bought all 3 especially when his trick room setter had no ways of dealing with it.
I like his team as it's unique however and he obviously did very well with it but damn he probably could have built + came up with a better strat vs Amoongus.
One safety goggles…
There is no chance he got up to this point in the tournament (while only dropping a single game) without facing Amoongus at least a couple of times, so it's safe to assume he just cracked under the pressure of this set. I mean imagine playing your first finals at the World Championships lol
Agree. I think Michael's biggest mistake in game 2 was to not put Rillaboom in the four.
This was just him getting unlucky game 1 and cracking under the pressure game 2, no one is going 14-1 without being able to play around amoonguss, very ignorant comments
@El_Kanto I'm aware of that he would have had to have beaten it many times, we just didn't see it. Maybe he had many tools to beat it but played poorly? I just didn't want to say it. I would say, at best he had some mons that were 50/50 against it but he had no mons that completely pressured it. It was just hard to watch him being completely dominated by 1 pokemon.
Went onto stage and lasted about 20 minutes. You hate to see it.
Happy a Japanese player won worlds in Japan. Very cool
Apesar do flinched da primeira batalha, o Kimura mereceu a vitória na segunda batalha.
Of course there are random issues but this final was one of the less exciting I remember... Michael simply didn't bring Heatran to both games
Thought the same
Yeah, Heatran and Rillaboom to lead would cover for water Terra amoongus and chien pow
Well the opponent had urshifu, lando n iron hands which all do well vs heatran as well as chien pao to threaten tera grass heatran. Probably didn't want to waste his tera on heatran
I can’t believe there isn’t something like Smogon’s sleep clause in effect for official tournaments.
Sleep clause doesn't exit in all doubles
There should be rules about putting more than one Pokémon to sleep at once. He legit one because of sleep.
I met Michael at a train and he is a really nice dude :)!
Well played!
And of course now we're gonna be getting an amoongus mystery gift
I feel like that flinch lost Michael two games here. Pokemon is a very mental game and Michael didnt adjust for g2 well at all. From my experience, losing to something outside of your control makes you lose touch with what you can do and Michael failed to find a way to deal with amoonguss, banking worlds on a 1-turn sleep, which is not how you play for a win, especially in mons.
That is to say I still respect both players immensely and Michael is still one of the best players in the world, regardless of how one set played out. Stress is a killer and I believe it was in full effect this set.
Yup, this I agree with 100%. Had Michael 1) maintained his composure and not be tilted, and 2) brought Rillaboom, we probably would have had a G3.
Adding on the mental aspect, I think he was afraid of the same thing happening to his Rillaboom during G1 which is likely why he didn't bring it for G2, but it was overall a really good pick for the match up.
I hope Michael learns from this and puts on a consistent performance in the future. Him coming from Smogon singles with this season as his first is already a big deal, and using a slightly more unconventional team means he has a lot of knowledge of beating highly used mons.
Michael has always been very emotional
@@tobias9790Examples?
Just watched the TCG final and have whiplash over how much shorter this video is 😂
Is it safe to say amoongus is the greatest support mon ever???
Yes.
i wanna see jirachi in vgc tbh, it has an absurd support move pool and theres also serene grace
nah, incineroar
Wait 5:44 dragapult shows z's above it's head indicating it is already asleep but it is attacking with dragon darts. Then amoongus at 6:01-6:04 puts the dragapult to sleep for the first time this match. Why would it give an early indication of dragapult being asleep?
Did Michael not have grass Heatran? How did he make it to finals without beating everyone elses amoongus?
Did you not see game 1? He was going to most likely win without the flinch
Even if the Heatran had tera grass, Michael probably did not feel comfortable with bringing Heatran up against Landorus, Urshifu, and Iron Hands altogether. Terrastralizing Heatran only makes it more vulnerable to Chien-Pao as well.
The flinch really mattered in G1 as it instantly went from being in Michael's favor to Shohei's, but that's part of the game. Michael had a 30% chance to lose the game and it happened.
respect to michael for the name michael
did Michael not have safety googles or grass tera mon??? Ammongus has been a top support pick, if not the support pick in the regional dex all year long. you need to have something to deal with it or it will just run you over.
O thought that too but then again he somehow got through Day 1 and 2 and probably faced a bunch of them and beat them.
The Heatran likely had tera grass, but against Landorus, Urshifu, Iron Hands, and Chien-Pao altogether, I don't think he felt comfortable bringing Heatran.
Even though Michael lost G1 to the flinch, I honestly think his biggest mistake was not bringing Rillaboom in G2, but sometimes these luck factors can drastically affect your mental state during a set.
Had Micheal maintained his composure and figured out how not to play G2 tilted, we probably would have had a G3 tbh.
I only knew this guys name from constantly being #1 on the random battles ladder, suddenly hes a top vgc player?
AMOONGUSS?!?!?!?!?! POGGERS
This year sure is shotime
心がじーんトスるな😭
What’s he run on his lando?
I was hoping he'd lead rillaboom heatran in game 2 :(
I agree with not bringing Rillaboom as a mistake on Michael's end, but I actually agree with him not bringing Heatran. Against Landorus, Iron Hands, and water Urshifu altogether, I wouldn't have felt comfortable bringing in Heatran if I were in his shoes. Plus, if the Heatran were Tera grass, it gets more vulnerable to Chien-Pao and knowing how well Shohei supports it, bringing in Heatran would have been way too risky in my book.
@@seta_souji I see what you're saying but I think it would've really changed the dynamic because the threat of a Heatran tera puts immense pressure on Shohei to play extremely sharply. Heatran/Rillaboom basically invalidates amoongus (assuming tera grass) and iron hands, urshifu, chien pao still have to correctly call if heatran will tera or not (t-grass beats hands or urshifu, and chien-po has to use ice move assuming heatran will tera or a neutral move assuming heatran will NOT tera). There's just a good mix of counterplay, offensive pressure, and mind games (and most importantly you're no longer in the position of amoongus just rolling through your team). In any case, it's so much easier to say in hindsight. He played amazingly
Great video
where can I find the ruleset for this tournament?
Landorus-T is a godly Pokémon. Whoever doesn't use it deserves to lose. EQ, intimidate, perfect typing, and EXPLOSION.
I don't use it because it has a dumb face... Yeah i,m a simple guy with a simple mind. Beat that opinion Mr.I Use Meta Because Everyone Does.
@@ManDyter are u a competitive player?
@@comotelevu6958 For that exact reason i just mentioned im not.
@@ManDyter fair enough, it's fun using explosion in double battles next to a ghost ally though.
How did Wolfe do? I he been hyping up his worlds and being the world champ
@@Rowletgamer355because of the leak sadly
Farigiraf is one of the best plays as of right now in the game
So this is Michael who is terrorizing the top ladder in the random battle tier on Pokemon Showdown..
Amoonguss too strong
Among uss
i love Amoonguss
It is pretty funny the smogon player lost to spore.
今年の決勝は日本人側が不正を行ってたのにも関わらず裁かれもせずだんまりを貫いているプレイヤーです。こんなのが世界チャンピオンになってしまったことが悲しい。
How do you mean? How did shohei cheat, maybe just a translation thing, but how did he cheat. The tournament had very strict checks for all pokemon even for gen pokemon, people were quickly dq'ed
@@Rey-zd4polate reply, but shohei’s amoonguss was hacked and has 0 attack iv while it shouldve had 18 ivs
Such a healthy metagame when there isn't a sleep clause in effect :^)
We don't need one. Safeguard and Misty Terrain have been around for years and people are still not using them. Well except me lol. I just can't predict my opponents well yet to reach that World's stage.
@@_G50_ there is no fini tho
@@farhi411 Grimmsnarl, Flutter Mane, and now Enamorus all have access to Misty Terrain. Also Meowstic and Whimsicott are returning to VGC in December.
@Revsfan50 There are no pokemon in the game right now with misty surge as their ability. If you want the effect, you have to use the move misty terrain, which wastes a pokemon's move slot and turn. In VGC, this will lose you a ton of momentum and almost never be worth doing. Not to mention, barely any of the pokemon that learn misty terrain are currently very viable in gen 9. Safeguard suffers from the exact same problems in the current meta as well, where pokemon that can run the move would be wasting the slot for a move much more useful. Safety goggles are a great held item as well, but in a meta where sand isn't very popular, on top of hail now being snow, they aren't as valuable as they have been in the past.
@@_G50_why even bother wasting a slot on misty terrain of all things when you can just…grass tera? Taunt the Amoonguss? It tends to be a non threat the moment you taunt it
Why the sucker punch at 11:00 ?
Does Armor Tail not activate if Farigiraf is asleep?
I think he tried to predict a switch
@@tobysceptiman7058 Sucker Punch doesn't work on Pokemon that are switched in.
He was just trying to flex
@@sdtrawick yes, but what if it was for the Pokémon that didn’t switch
McLovin is pretty good at Pokemon
can we get some music bro
stream production has been medciore this worlds surprisingly
I’d like to play in that stadium, but won’t happen.
A ese wey le dieron hasta para llevar, y eso que dijo tener "una sorpresa para la final".
Supongo que la sorpresa era perder así de fácil. xdxddXd
26:22 Amongus
unpopular opinion but spore needs to be nerfed
The people in the back of the battle
Spore needs to be banned
2023 aggressive amoogus
Congrats to Shohei🎉
At 1:30 Did he just say "Shurifu"
I thought Joseph Ugarte said he's the best player in the world?
Another win for Landorous …
This is only the second time Lando has won worlds
Why did Shohei use sucker punch with Farigaraf out?
Game starts at 4:35
The icicle crash hax 😭
What's up with that weird animation that made it look like Draggy was asleep before the spore hit? I don't like this view. And I swear I saw it later too.
Anyway, congratulations Shohei for the world title!
American commentary guy sounds like Sean Strickland 🤣
One sided stomp tbh, sheeeesh
Amoongus needs to be dealt with
Where is Aaron Cybertron Zheng!??
Umm, can the video be a '3-round game' so people can't deduce that a player wins only in 2 rounds, coz it's kinda anticlimatic. Anyways, good job Shohei, a well deserved win!
You could see the sleeping animation on Dragapult before the spore. This game is so broken...
WAIT SO THIS IS ALL ON A SWITCH!??? wtf I just got one, happened to have pokemon in it, I heard you can transfer pokemon to others and to yourself??? I need guidance I want in yo I stopped catching in 2009 ☠️☠️ currently playing Arceas game I need info on this 📲❗️
no safety googles?
Kind of new to VGC myself like started playing this gem. Amoongus can’t be good for the meta game, it’s going to live almost everything you throw at it and then put you to sleep, switch it out, bring it back, put something else to sleep. It really wasn’t fun to watch this match even he doubled into the amoongus with Tera draguapult, he still lived. With plays like this it doesn’t really feel like you get that “creative ability” to play any team. He just played a reg C team with landorus. I would of loved to see other stuff like the hisuians and the other pokes introduced. I did. love the Breloom a lot on the world stage though lol
Welcome to VGC. We have Amoongus, Urshifu, Lando-T and Flutter Mane at your disposal. Expect Incineroar, Smeargle and Xerneas in the future.
Just ban spore, most stupid move in the entire game
there are answers to the amoongus. just that 1 player played extremely poorly. amoongus is usually the slowest thing on the field. heattran can 1 hit KO it teras@@tommasopenati9635
@@tommasopenati9635 Spore becomes less relevant with the return of Whim and Meowstic in DLC 2. Though against me, it was always irrelevant since I ran anti-status teams. lol
I wish we could get a gen without Amoongus or just remove Spore from it its so boring that's its so meta every single time.
I completely disagree. You don’t have to use moongus. It’s not even top three most used Pokémon, it’s main job is just to slow down hyper offense teams. Plus there’s so many ways to counter spore like Lum berry, grass terra, safety goggles, ect. The only reason it seems so dominating is because some teams can’t play around it.
I don’t think it’s boring because it’s hard to use at high level. What moongus does is control the speed of the game
@@zamarharry1954 yeah they should've just added sleep clause instead
I don’t see why we need it tho. Moong isn’t broken and completely dominating the meta. It’s just a good Pokémon
Competitive Pokémon is all about minimizing the effect luck has on the game. It’s a team building decision, would you rather risk being asleep 3 turns or just put on safety goggles
Unite casters had more energy than these ones
What's on the paper they swap
we almost got the smogon player win…
The level of predictability and how players do nothing more than mimic the behaviour of others, instead of thinking for themselves, is truly astonishing. For example, remember a few years ago, when EVERYONE was running Incineroar with Intimidate and Parting Shot? Out of 100 teams in the finals, there were maybe two people who DIDN’T do the exact same thing? How on earth is it possible, with a population that homogenous, consistent, and predictable, you didn’t see a single person running Clear Body or Contrary as a counter???
Maybe because there wasn't any viable/legal mon with those abilities
Imagine paying a lot of money to travel to Japan
Just to get fliched by Rock Slide or Icicle Crash 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Because he knew that Michael didn't stand a chance, even doing moves like these.
@@KamiIo0 oh no, without the flinch it would've been a pretty safe win for michael.
Tbh the prize money isnt worth it anyways lol
I can see pult is not 36 hp 4 special d
POV: Your 7 and know more then the commentators.
Why did Shohei sucker punch the farigiraf? Is he stupid?
No disrepect to Shouhei, who rocked it, but it felt kind of cheap witching spore landing consistently into a team that was clearly not prepared for an aggressive spore user.
The glitch just made it feel even less exciting to watch.
And this is why you should run sap sipper giraffe lol.
rocky helmet giraffe is interesting. would love to have seen some of his previous matches to know how he got into the finals
@@SWIFTWOLFX DaWoblefet usually has the side streams recorded. Maybe we'll see Michael's earlier matches on his channel?
日本の八百長プレイヤーの優勝。非難され続けるべき存在。