How about a video explaining how air travels over the front wing to the top wing and how that affects the car and how varying front wing angle makes it react differently?
When you reference the 80's and 90's as being a long time ago it hurts! LOL! We were definitely using them. All of our wings then were dished. My first 410 {the Hardees 880} came with a JET wing. We eventually built our own tops and fronts in house. All of the top wings we built and sold were dished. To my recollection we didn't actually have a rule for wickerbill height? I know that I used up to around 4" for sure on the small tracks like Clinton County and Knox. I see many asking about tapered height? We actually did that. My wings were made with an integrated wickerbill of 1". I would use a varied size up to about 3 or 4" but only 4ft. across the plane of the wing leaving the final 12" at 1". The biggest change I found to really make the wing work was experimenting with wing height above the cage. I raised the wing about 4" higher than traditional off of the wing tree. Small tracks it worked great! Big tracks was damned near frightening! Leverage at high speed was insane. The car would walk all over the place on the straights and do weird things in the turns all of the sudden. The coolest thing I saw was Bobby Allen using aluminum angles staggered in a V shape on the top wing plane. The key to a good wing on a sprint car is exactly the opposite from an airplane. Slow the air across the top and increase the velocity underneath. This is what creates your vacuum to the dirt! I'm currently working on a can Koozy for our IC Light beer cans that increase downforce so we can better utilize their raw power.
Great informative video! Can’t wait to see what the 1 inch does to racing this season. I was listening but my eyes kept focusing on that calendar on the left side of the screen when the camera moved….lol
Good information. Very informative. Has anyone tried to make an adjustable wickerbill that can be changed during the race? Kind of like what F1 is doing with DRS?
I like the idea of a standardized wing. Saves everybody money and puts the result of the car more-so in the hands of the drivers and the crew chiefs setting the car up. I can't tell you how many times sitting and watching races at the Grove knowing that the lead car in the heat race or the beginning of the feature really wasn't the best car on the track. Once the leader caught lapped traffic usually somebody was coming from 4-6th up through the pack. Now whether they win or not is a different story, but they needed everybody to be in dirty air to showcase just how good their car really was and they got stuck further back because of a previous issue etc. I'd love to see somebody actually wind tunnel test a flat wing at various angles and then test a dished wing at various angles with and without wicker bills. You mentioned drag on the car which is important and IMO overlooked. The higher the drag on a car requires more HP to obtain X speed as Billy mentioned. While it's not this simple the math would work something like this (Speed+Drag=HP). HP costs money. Is there a way to get the same downforce, eliminate some of the drag, and also knock down some of the dirty air? I know you guys are taking HP out of car (Sometimes ALOT) quite a bit for heats and particularly the features. The track is only gonna hold what it's gonna hold traction wise. The HP needed to get to a speed is higher with higher drag. IMO this would help the guys that don't have the King Kong motors that can't be turned up to 950+ hp for an outlaw show. As you know in time trial races if you qualify bad your night is probably not going to go well. Food for thought.
Question could you run a half inch wicker bill on the left and gradually make it to 1 inch to the right or do you have to have it 1 inch all the way across the wing
In 2002 or 2003, I went to a race at Sharon Speedway. One sprint car in the pits -- I don't recall driver or number -- had a wicker bill that didn't go all the way across the wing. It stopped about 6 inches or so from the left side board. I must have been staring at, because the driver came over and said, "I did that to keep the air from stacking up between the side board on the left side and wicker bill." I've never seen it on another car -- have you? I suppose his way to reduce the left rear load that you were discussing? Is there a rule that says the wicker has to go all the way across the wing?
What does the 30 inch side wings do if a 1 or 2 in wicker bill pushes down where and how does the side bite come in or is that a break to make the curve
why not eliminate the wicker bill and the hyd slider as that would make the original setup work or not work. that would mean the setup would be more important
make the cars less aero dependent and the racing will be better. then you wont need so much motor, which most the time you cant use it with the current wings. yous spend all that money on a 900hp motor then "detune" it to make it driveable .
Have you or Danny ever run wingless ??? There is a great topic for a show !!! Winged vs. Wingless !! Are you qualified enough to talk about wingless ??? Is one harder then the other !!!! I love it getting your brother involved !! You and Danny seem to be close siblings are you ??? Your a good guy and your wife is a great gal !!! She's better looking though !!!
You and Danny make a great team. Great video. Ill be looking for the next one.
Thanks for the explanation boys. Helps us understand the sport better! Keep up the good work. Let's get to the Icebreaker already.
Awesome job guys explaining the wing and the wickerbill !!
Great!! You and Danny work well together and make an excellent video! WillyB
Could you run A tapered wickerbill
Awesome video from the D BOS
Didn't lance dewease do really good running the bottom at grove + port , is this one inch wickerbill going to hurt his race craft ?
I'm learning a lot from you guys. Awesome content. It will be my first full year running Knoxville and a few other tracks this year!!!
Billy, Really enjoyed. Great job articulating the effect of the wickerbill and wing in general. Nice job.
Billy I love your videos. You explain everything so anyone can understand.
Love these videos! Great job explaining it.
‘Wing Talk with BD and DD” title of your new collaborative TH-cam channel talking sprint car racing. Very enjoyable episode.
How about a video explaining how air travels over the front wing to the top wing and how that affects the car and how varying front wing angle makes it react differently?
I really enjoy watching the channel and learning more about the wing cars. Good video!😁
Wild Wicker Billy Dietrich
Very informative. Enjoyed hearing both you and Danny's perspectives.
When you reference the 80's and 90's as being a long time ago it hurts! LOL! We were definitely using them. All of our wings then were dished. My first 410 {the Hardees 880} came with a JET wing. We eventually built our own tops and fronts in house. All of the top wings we built and sold were dished. To my recollection we didn't actually have a rule for wickerbill height? I know that I used up to around 4" for sure on the small tracks like Clinton County and Knox. I see many asking about tapered height? We actually did that. My wings were made with an integrated wickerbill of 1". I would use a varied size up to about 3 or 4" but only 4ft. across the plane of the wing leaving the final 12" at 1". The biggest change I found to really make the wing work was experimenting with wing height above the cage. I raised the wing about 4" higher than traditional off of the wing tree. Small tracks it worked great! Big tracks was damned near frightening! Leverage at high speed was insane. The car would walk all over the place on the straights and do weird things in the turns all of the sudden. The coolest thing I saw was Bobby Allen using aluminum angles staggered in a V shape on the top wing plane. The key to a good wing on a sprint car is exactly the opposite from an airplane. Slow the air across the top and increase the velocity underneath. This is what creates your vacuum to the dirt! I'm currently working on a can Koozy for our IC Light beer cans that increase downforce so we can better utilize their raw power.
Great video! Very entertaining and informative. Hopefully it helps the racing surface.
Nice having brothers doing things together love watching your videos keep up the good work
Great video Billy 👍
Great informative video! Can’t wait to see what the 1 inch does to racing this season. I was listening but my eyes kept focusing on that calendar on the left side of the screen when the camera moved….lol
Good information. Very informative. Has anyone tried to make an adjustable wickerbill that can be changed during the race? Kind of like what F1 is doing with DRS?
I like the idea of a standardized wing. Saves everybody money and puts the result of the car more-so in the hands of the drivers and the crew chiefs setting the car up. I can't tell you how many times sitting and watching races at the Grove knowing that the lead car in the heat race or the beginning of the feature really wasn't the best car on the track. Once the leader caught lapped traffic usually somebody was coming from 4-6th up through the pack. Now whether they win or not is a different story, but they needed everybody to be in dirty air to showcase just how good their car really was and they got stuck further back because of a previous issue etc.
I'd love to see somebody actually wind tunnel test a flat wing at various angles and then test a dished wing at various angles with and without wicker bills. You mentioned drag on the car which is important and IMO overlooked. The higher the drag on a car requires more HP to obtain X speed as Billy mentioned. While it's not this simple the math would work something like this (Speed+Drag=HP). HP costs money. Is there a way to get the same downforce, eliminate some of the drag, and also knock down some of the dirty air?
I know you guys are taking HP out of car (Sometimes ALOT) quite a bit for heats and particularly the features. The track is only gonna hold what it's gonna hold traction wise. The HP needed to get to a speed is higher with higher drag. IMO this would help the guys that don't have the King Kong motors that can't be turned up to 950+ hp for an outlaw show. As you know in time trial races if you qualify bad your night is probably not going to go well.
Food for thought.
Great show 🫵👊🇺🇸
Great Video ! I remember the dished wings well but this explains a lot about some things I have been wondering about !! Thank You Much !
Could a wicker be tappered as in 2 " hight on the right and 1" hight on the left? or vise versea.
With the cost of aluminum going thru the roof, approximately what dose a wing cost before lettering or painting it ??
So how does this wickerbill work with the wing forward or back. Any difference? When do you slide it back?
Good stuff billy
Great job guys. I think Danny's assessment is right on. It should make for better racing. What would happen if no wicker bills were allowed?
Question could you run a half inch wicker bill on the left and gradually make it to 1 inch to the right or do you have to have it 1 inch all the way across the wing
How different would the car handle If you put a wickerbill on the front nose wing?
Can you taper the wicker bill of 2” to 1” on the left rear?
You could, but you want the left rear traction. So that wouldnt serve a good purpose.
You guys should do a wind tunnel test with wicker bills, wings etc. So the people would really understand.
Great video,interesting information. Do you use a wicker bill on the front wing and does the same rule apply?
Can you run a tapered wicker bill? Were one side starts at 1" and works its way to 2"...and make two of them were there reverse taper!
Good ?
Yes you can and many have done it. I haven’t seen it done much recently.
You can modify it any way you’d like just as long as it doesn’t go past 2”
In 2002 or 2003, I went to a race at Sharon Speedway. One sprint car in the pits -- I don't recall driver or number -- had a wicker bill that didn't go all the way across the wing. It stopped about 6 inches or so from the left side board. I must have been staring at, because the driver came over and said, "I did that to keep the air from stacking up between the side board on the left side and wicker bill." I've never seen it on another car -- have you? I suppose his way to reduce the left rear load that you were discussing? Is there a rule that says the wicker has to go all the way across the wing?
Holy sh$t,,its Billy Dietrich!! And he has a brother? Hahahaha awesome stuff boys!
I am sure you would have covered it if you could but, can you taper the wicker bill say from 2" over RR down to 1 1/4 over LR.
Are you allowed to use a tapered 2 inch down to 1 inch from the right side to the left side to lessen the grip on the left tire
Whats the deal with the “wavy” wicker bill?
I’m not sure. I’ve never used one.
How much do those side panels act as a rudder in the turn?
Don't you normally run the left rear suspension softer than the right anyway for cornering
What does the 30 inch side wings do if a 1 or 2 in wicker bill pushes down where and how does the side bite come in or is that a break to make the curve
why not eliminate the wicker bill and the hyd slider as that would make the original setup work or not work. that would mean the setup would be more important
My self I thought the sprint car racing was better late 80's to early 90's not sure when the wicker bill got implemented
why not just make the wicker bil permanent mounted adjustable?
make the cars less aero dependent and the racing will be better. then you wont need so much motor, which most the time you cant use it with the current wings. yous spend all that money on a 900hp motor then "detune" it to make it driveable .
Tell your dad to take a steel leader on electric for fishing
meanwhile Attica and Fremont went to 3". lmfao
Can you stagger the wickerbill where it's higher on one end then the other or must it remain constant the whole distance ???
Have you or Danny ever run wingless ??? There is a great topic for a show !!! Winged vs. Wingless !! Are you qualified enough to talk about wingless ??? Is one harder then the other !!!! I love it getting your brother involved !! You and Danny seem to be close siblings are you ??? Your a good guy and your wife is a great gal !!! She's better looking though !!!
What about if they went to 2.5" or 3" ???