Why Qantas Never Ordered The Boeing 777
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- Twenty years ago, when Boeing was developing its 777 aircraft, it held extensive talks with multiple airlines, including Qantas. Boeing wanted to build the ‘perfect’ medium-haul aircraft, bridging the gap between its 767 and 747 planes. Ultimately, Qantas never ordered the 777… so what happened?
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There's a few things that were missed here. There were a number of reasons QF never flew 777s:-
1 - A-330 was a far better fit for short-range domestic routes 1.5-2 hours length, and was still more efficient doing east coast runs to Perth
2 - Qantas needed a high capacity, long range plane to fly Sydney/Melbourne-Singapore-London
3 - 777 couldn't do the Sydney-Dallas route
4 - ETOPs considerations at the time meant they couldn't use 777s or 330s to fly to Johannesburg or Santiago (partly why more 747s were ordered)
5 - At the time it was felt that with traveller numbers climbing, A-380 would be needed for Hong-Kong, Japan, LAX routes (which they were)
You are right
At this time you’d argue it was the wrong decision. A330 is pretty horrible for domestic service, doesn’t come close to the 767, which Qantas has been vocal on, saying they want to take them off domestic service as much as possible. In hindsight the 777 would’ve been the much better choice. A380s are really unnecessary. Other than Dallas, every a380 route could’ve easily been done by 777/747s and every A330 route could’ve easily been done by the smaller 777. You could argue the Dallas route would’ve been delayed but it would be getting done by the 787 right now anyway.
@@morganlambley8655 Boeing advocate !!!
@@indranilchakrabarty4196 not really, I’m just right. The 777 would’ve been a much better addition to the fleet. Both the -200 and -300 variants would’ve added a lot more than the A330 and A380 have for Qantas.
@@morganlambley8655Back when the airplanes were ordered, no one expected the SARS2-COVID-19 virus. And before the virus, was it a wrong decision to have the A380 in their fleet- I highly doubt it. Who is to say that someday travel will be normal again and the A380 may just work in the end. Without the virus, the A380 would simply retire someday and only a few people might think- well it was not a great decision to buy that aircraft but back in the day it wasn't a bad decision. Also, the A380 for advertising purposes was amazing. But I do agree, for every a380 flight = 2 777 flights (I did not apply any exact maths, it's just a rough guess). Though I would like the A380 to stay in service with hopefully QF but also in general.
Thank you for listening. Much appreciated
One factor you didn't mention, in Australia Qantas was owned by the government for decades and Boeing had an Australian aircraft parts factory. Qantas default aircraft were Boeing, until Qantas was privatised. Once Qantas was privatised it wanted to show its independence in the 1990s and Airbus came knocking on their door.
Partly right. The US Bosses over Australia all the time. The Aussies dont want to admit it. The Gov still has a stake in Qantas. Thankfully Qantas has a mixed fleet now like BA. Buying Airbus was the RIGHT THING to do. The Aussies bought everything from the Americans and the British. The Airbus purchase went someway in balancing trade with Europe
@@indranilchakrabarty4196 No, the Australian Govt doesn't have a direct shareholding in Qantas anymore, instead when it was privatised a stipulation in its constitution limited foreign ownership to 49%. The top shareholders are well known fund managers. As for being influenced by another nation, I think it had more to do with Boeing employing locals in a factory in Oz than any grand theory of foreign political influence. It was purely basic political reality to secure local jobs, Boeing planes had Australian parts in them.
@@張博倫-r2j You are dead wrong. Back in the 90s the Gov had a stake in Qantas, and so did British Airways. Qantad actually mirrored BA operations. BA like Qantas had an all Boeing fleet. BA switched to Airbus in the mid 90s with the 320 That Boeing factory in the OZ was for defence production ( parts for airforce planes ) than for commercial.airliners. Boeing has manufacturing facilities and contractors in Canada, UK, Australia. Rarely is there a local content requirement. Qantas followed ots cousins Aor Canada, BA and Aoe New Zealand in seotching to Airbus. There was no grand political design, but mega billion dollar aircraft deals are not like buying cars from the local Holden dealership. There was a doze of EU relations involved. Especially with large deals. Your view is simplistic.
@@indranilchakrabarty4196 Right so Boeing Aerospace Structures Australia that manufactures trailing edges for the 787 and 737 is just a myth and Boeing have a website to fool people that they make commercial aircraft parts in Australia. Ok so you really haven't done much homework have you. www.boeing.com.au/boeing-in-australia/boeing-aerostructures-australia.page
I have the distinction of doing the first pushback and start of the Boeing 777 in Australia.
I was a 3rd year Qantas engineering apprentice at the time when Boeing flew out it's first 777 painted in Boeing livery for Qantas executives to view at the Jet base in Sydney.
I remember being amazed at the size of those engines and just how quiet they were.
And the start was so effortless and quick compared to the other large aircraft I was used to.
(My thumbnail is me in my Qantas overalls standing in the engine intake of that 777)
Interesting video. I watched an interview with a Qantas representative. He said that Airbus refused to sell Qantas the A380 unless Qantas agreed to buy the A330. Thus no Boeing 777.
That’s outrageous. I know Airbus wanted to do business with Qantas but that is the wrong strategy. I’d also complain if Boeing or Embraer did this too
@@hcnagaveni8120 No it is NOT outrageous AT ALL.Good that Airbus put pressure on Qantas. Geoff Dixon should have been man enough to stand by his decision to buy the 330 and 380. Instead he acted like a sook, blaming Airbus for putting pressure on Qantas. Fake news !!!! Boeing wingeing and whining. Acting like losers. Qantas should have bought the A340 600 and 500 instead of the 747 400 ER. Hope Qantas buys the 320 321 and 220 if they buy the 777 9x and 8x. Typical of Boeing. Cant compete fair and square
If they bought A340-500 and -600 they’d be wasting money because it’s a gas hog compared to the 777 and even compared to 747 and A380 because it’s 4 engines on a single deck which makes no sense
@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 when the a340 was *BEING* *PLANNED* , there was no ETOPS and because the -500 and -600 focused mainly on range than efficiency, 4 engines were kind of a necessity. But by the time it was built, there was ETOPS and twin engine aircraft like 777 could fly where ever it wants. Same goes for the a380. If it also had been built something like 30 to 40 years ago, even it would have been a success. So it's not that 4 engines on one deck make no sense - it's more like " 4 engines on one deck *NOW* doesn't make sense. But actually it isn't the count of decks to consider. It is the weight of the plane. Because the 787 and a350 benifit from being 50% composite materials made, they can do with 2 engines. So...........*MAYBE* if the a340 had been built out of completely composites instead of aluminium, then it *MAYBE* could have done with 2 engines. Whatever though it is outrageous of airbus to do such a thing behind the scenes with Qantas. I'm sure Qantas would have benefitted from the 777
At the time, Qantas had no long haul Airbus experience. Airbus gave them almost free A330s to give the airline Airbus experience and lock in the A380 agreement.
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Well said and one benefit to why they chose the A350-1000 is that of the Common cockpit controls meaning an A380 or A330 pilot can fly A350-1000. Not sure if B777-X does have a common cockpit with B787-9
I'd like to see Qantas go with the 777X. It has a lot going for it, and may yet prove to be more economical than the 350.
Only problem with that is delays. The 777X still has a few years until we can see it actually fly with airlines. Worse yet the virus did set it back quite a bit.
@@bigboimoisty The 777x delay was because GE9X took their time to get their engines right, and many airlines did not want to take in any new jets until the pandemic gets better
@@Blank00 ik, but the virus was a set back for them as well.
@@bigboimoisty my point is that the 777x delays are not Boeing's fault
@@Blank00 ik, but a delay is still an inconvience. I also never stated it was Boeing's fault.
The 777 would have looked beautiful with Qantas Livery
@RYAN D yes, but they haven't placed an order yet
RYAN D 777 isn't that old though compared to the 747 andd 737 even the a320
@RYAN D It's not that old. Even the A330, the platform of the A330Neo, is older than the 777, the platform of the 777x.
@RYAN D Dude, the 747 is like, 2 DECADES older than the 777 XD
Sounds like a lot of Airbus executives are commenting.
I’m not surprised.
Qantas will never learn.
@@linesided I would rather have a used Boeing.
I was actually looking up what a Qantas 777 would look like, it would've looked cool
When the new 777x comes out and I play they will change there mind fast !! The 777x is going to change alote of minds when they see it !! Can’t wait , !!
Qantas purchased A380’s so they could introduce new workplace agreements for both pilots and cabin crew. And rumour has it Airbus threw in some 330’s to sweeten the deal.
Mark, I believe this to be correct
It is easy criticizing the decision to buy the A380 knowing what we know today. The A380 was build based on an anticipation that the growth in passenger volume would increase significantly and airlines would stick with the hub model. The Emirates created a successful operation based on the A380. As a passenger I prefer being able to travel directly from where I live to my final destination in medium sized airplanes like 787 and A350, but airlines preferred the hub system when the A380 was developed. It was the right plane when developed and sold. The market just changed much faster than anyone anticipated.
The A380 is great for high-capacity routes, Sydney/Melbourne - Singapore - London - LA. It is great aircraft as a passenger. It just makes little sense to fly the A380let's say Perth - Darwin or Darwin - Tokyo.
Qantas will be fine with its 787 and A330 fleet for its long haul operations, in the current market place while COVID is still with us. Once the market recovers in 5 years time, Qantas will want a high capacity aircraft again. I know they have A380s, but will they be feasible to operate even in 5 years?
Personally, I hope it gets the a350 for project sunrise, I much prefer that aircraft.
Don’t worry they have. However Qantas has put Project Sunrise on hold indefinitely due to the impacts of the Covid 19 Coronavirus pandemic
Pretty sure that the engine cracks would happen on "Reliable Trent XWB Engines" like in August
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet and let's hope Boeing isn't going to build their 777xs like their 787s.
@@thetransponder7186 I couldn't agree with you anymore.
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Hope they order 777x
Very simple answer as to why the 777 was not purchased by QF. At the time when the decision to purchase long haul aircraft was made no two engine aircraft were in contention due to CASA regulations (Australian federal law) requiring 4 engine aircraft for these long routes. I think the first federal updates in parliament to allow the ETOPS that included 2 engine aircraft wasn't until 2007 being Civil Aviation Order 82.0 amendment (number 3). What was put in place in 2000 was a long term plan and for a mid size airline like QF, reliant on its long haul fleet, it had to order a 4 engine aircraft. Now as for the gossip and speculation re Boeing/Airbus, that is an entirely different matter. I'm enjoying reading those prejudices and flights of fantasy.
Yup. Which is why the continued to operate 747’s and ordered the 747-400ER instead of 777’s.
Here is a BIG Question about substituting different sized aircraft for any given route:
Question: Would it be possible to develop software to upsize/downsize a passenger load to bigger/smaller airliner?
- For instance, if somebody ordered a window seat, they would still get it in the bigger/smaller airliner.
- If somebody ordered a First Class seat, they would still get one on the bigger/smaller airliner.
- Aisle Seat, the Passenger would still get the Aisle Seat in the bigger/smaller airliner.
This Software would help with fitting the right-sized airliner to each flight.
The Passenger would be able to select only an A380, or A350/B777, or allow the software to select the right sized airliner.
This software in itself, would provide the BEST fuel economy by fitting the right sized airliner, to it's passenger LOAD. AVOIDING Empty seats at all costs.
Why is the sound volume so low in your videos? And please don't ask me to turn up the volume, its at its max setting!
@@linesided 20 years of flying pistons seems to have done the trick.
Thanks, this is something that is being addressed already in future videos - TB
Agree with you !!!
Assuming their a380 and a330 crew arent old enough to retire then the choice of the a350 didnt really surprise me
I remember that one of the big reason why Qantas chose the A350 was the "reliable Rolls Royce engines". Then, Rolls Royce Trent XWB started showing cracks a few months ago, in addition to the Trent 1000 problems and Trent 7000 concerns. So how come the Rolls Royce engine was the first thing praised when Joyce chose the A350? And how come Rolls Royce went unscathed when Norwegian sued Boeing for the Trent 1000 problems that affected Norwegian's 787 fleet? Could it be that I smell bribery coming from Rolls Royce's behalf?
This sounds like what happened with Garuda Indonesia during the early 2010’s. The previous CEO has gone to prison about a year or so ago for a good few years because of bribes with RR, Airbus but also Bombardier in 2012. I wonder who’s next of the engine makers and aircraft builders that he did bribes with
But A350 was never parked for any engine or mechanical issues unlike B787
@@avuazahc1966 But the thing is that when the 787 got parked for Trent 1000 engine issues, that's on Rolls Royce since it's not within Boeing's control
What
It's 11 o clock
U used to post at 10 ist
people live in other parts of the world mate
Yes, We had a time zone error. Normal service will resume today. - TB
Hope they do get the 777x
What would the approximate flight time be for Project Sunrise?
London to Sydney was 19hrs on the 787 if I'm not wrong.
@@MARBLEHEAD07 That's an awfully long flight, especially in economy! Now, FC or BC.... I'd do that - maybe.
@@stevethomas2285 that's not a problem for me. The longer the trip, the better I will be. Just hoping to get window seat and no crying babies.
@@MARBLEHEAD07 Can't beat the non-stop flights, especially if there's no crying babies. I've always wondered if the Bose headphones cancel those sounds out; probably not, otherwise they'd be able to charge a lot more!
You really need to punch up volume on your videos, they are so quiet. Even on max volume on my phone I have to put phone 10 cm from my ear to hear it. Otherwise, love your videos!
Correct, hopefully SimpleFlying can notice this issue.
B777x
At the time Quantas originally passed on the 777, what was its range? Could that early model fill the niche Quantas chose the A380 for?
*Qantas
The 777-200ER was planned right from the start and had about 13,000km of range. Easily enough to fly to Asia, or to Europe via one stop in SIN.
Stay with the A350, airbus did a lot to fit it for project sunrise.
I still think that Qantas should "Test Drive" the B777-300ER, and have Boeing provide 1 B777x, doing a sample run along-side the 300ER, to compare the 300ER to the "X". Seeing as how the 777x has not been approved to fly passengers yet, the 777x would fly with test dummies aboard.
Sample runs with multiple aircraft side-by-side would be a way to get the 777 series looked at, for Qantas.
i think that quantus will pick the a350-1000 because it way more efficient
Would be nice to see QF getting a 777. It’s long over due
I could see them getting both to be honest, if they do end up mothballing the A380, they will want something with slightly more capacity for the normal London-Singapore-Melbourne/Sydney routes to compliment the people who don't want the Sunrise route. I mean you could also do that with normal A350-1000s but the 777 still has a slight edge in passenger numbers which would be better for those higher capacity routes. I would still prefer the a350 for the Sunrise routes though
Looking forward from now on (not back in history) I think Qantas will be far better off with a fleet of A350s instead of Boeing 777. It's a technologicaly newer design and more efficient when you look at the capacity range of what the A350-900 and A350-1000 are covering.
The A350-1000 have a new airframe design and are cheaper than the B777-9.
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I feel the the ceo of qantas secretly hates the B777...
Like Delta CEO
I'm sure Qantas passengers would prefer 777X with a generous seat pitch and exercise space - and except the extra cost of the fuel burn of larger aircraft. But Qantas will see the A350 as less risky - less passengers but greater liklihood of filling airplanes - less risk. Can probably get more for each fare. The last passengers on the aircraft (but first to book) will be low margin economy passengers - the people most likely to a make a stop and travel of low cost carriers, like myself. I can see the Qantas long-haul fleet being B787s, A350s and A330s, and the domestic fleet being A321s, Dash 8s, and perhaps some fully contracted smaller craft services. B737s are bit low to ground for our conditions.
Qantas can bring in fleet the 777-8x since it has a long range that the previous triple 7s couldn't offer for a long while . There is still hope that Qantas can order the 777x , I believe that is possible right after certifications in 2023.
Silly to choose A350 over 777x. Imo 773er itself is already a very comfortable plane over A350. I believe 777x will bring this gap even bigger.
Not really. The decision to choose A350 makes sense now, with the capacity similar to the 777 but better range and (especially) better fuel burnt per seat (almost matching a 787) A350 will be the best choice for sunrise imo.
@@stoje8405 i read Ge9x had a 5% lower consumption over XWB-97.
@@joydivision888 you'll have to find out when the 777x finally enters commercial service tho
@@stoje8405 and stats shows a 315 seater a350 is at 2.81L/100km for 6,542nmi vs 395 seater 777x is at 2.42L/100km for 7,200nmi.
Correct me if i’m wrong but seems to me 777x is more fuel saving than A350.
@@joydivision888 also the reason i said a350 makes sense is, if airbus tend to make A35K ULR (which probably qantas will be the sole customer or maybe SQ as well) but the project sunrise failed to gain huge success, it can be converted into standard A35K for another long haul routes
Could you do a video on why Airbus and Boeing dont change the engines on the 747 and a380 to the ones they use on the Airbus beluga as that only uses 2 engines not 4, but yet it can still carry extremely heavy loads?
The maximum payload of the Beluga XL is less than half that of a 747-400 or A380
It can take large relatively light outsized loads limited distances. Its a specialist machine for a specialist task.
reducing a 747 to 2 engines would require redesigning the wings(and likely the fusalage) and that means recertification.
As changing as the aviation business is and especially the airplane Market there is always a chance Qantas and other airlines will decide to acquire any of various jet but yes they may well go with the triple 7X it is a very good jet far as the operational savings and mansion with the A380 I find that about like using fire hose the water your daisies because it would save you so much time or something along those lines the A380 is just very expensive to operate unless you can always fly it at near full capacity very near full capacity all the time
777 : I love you
Qantas : Neither do I
A bit late to comment but here I go. After making the decision and ordering 12 380's, they were so delayed QANTAS was publicly commenting they were considering cancelling the order and getting 200 million AUD as compensation from Airbus. (that sounds good now of course) they had put off retiring their early 747 400's as cover for the non delivery of the 380. IF QANTAS had pulled the pin at that point, it may well have being the end of the 380. They were one of the lead orders for the type. so into this meeting where I wish I was a fly on the wall! They all come out all smiles with Qantas adding 8 more 380 to their order book. (I understand they since sold these orders when the market for 380 was hot). The big question was the price they paid for the extra orders! also the "break even" number of 380's went up from 350 odd to 1200 odd about that time. lots of planes make sense when you buy them cheap enough!
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Here is what Qantas could have done:
Replace its 18 remaining 747-400s with 18 end of production 777-300ERs that will provide interim capacity until Qantas can secure an order for the 777-9
Order 12 777-8s for Project Sunrise and 12 777-9s to eventually replace the A380s as by the late 2020s Qantas A380 Fleet would have been at an average age of 18-20 years old and delivery slots for the 777-9 would have already been available.
The 777X is a possibility for Qantas but Boeing needs the perfect airplane and proposal in hand to beat Airbus who has points made in advance of a Boeing proposal.The fix is in for any new orders for Boeing and Airbus holds the key for potential purchases during the next 5 years. Yeah, I see the 7778X concerning Qantas orders of about 20 of its type through 2030.
I guess Qantas didn't want to bore their passengers to death. Good on 'em.
Qantas’ subsidiary Jetstar might use them but does Qantas want another aircraft type to buy parts for, train/certify pilots and engineers? Regardless of whether Jetstar or Qantas runs them. Then again problems with 787 particularly Carolina built ones may cause them to put 787 to freighter use or canabalise for parts? Ah the 747s where are you?
Only major airline who didn't order it... looking back was big mistake..
Stay with Airbus QANTAS and only hope you change the 737s for Airbus A320s/A321s
The right decision becomes obvious when it’s too late. Of course Qantas should have got the triple... it’s just the best plane out there. But there’s the 350 now, and if it was my money, I’d have a hard time going for the 779 right now, instead of the tried and tested 35K... I’m just hoping Boeing can prove us all wrong.
It was never a big loss for the program. Qantas feet is actually pretty small for international. Boeing they lost maybe 20 aircraft sales for the 777 That went on to sell 1500. Qantas is a pretty niche carrier
you copied the description straight of wikipedia lol
i think the 777 still has a chance but the 777x might just go to Qantas or they will go with the a350.
There is a underlying issue against ordering a 777 Qantas aircraft and Boeing knows what Qantas wants and It's about to reveal what the Boeing issue is at this time. It's not normal to ignore the 777 in the Australian market, since Australia is an Island continent going around the world. ??????
As a passenger, i prefer Airbus over Boeing. I'm glad Qantas is choosing the Airbus A350-1000.
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As a pax I strongly disagree because they aren’t in charge of seat comfort and width. That’s up to the airlines!
Airbus planes are usually wider for the passenger because of the passenger layout they build the for. Like 9 across or 6 across. But I agree with Planefacts. I had to use Frontier Airlines to get from Florida to Las Vegas in one trip instead of a layover since they were the only ones. I'd still take them because of the direct trip but, shoot. That seat was uncomfortable as heck. It was a plastics bucket seat with what I presume was a thin sheet with little to no padding. And we were packed tightly. Not much leg room and a tray table that barely met the cut. So yeah airlines choose the comfort. Cause I would choose a Southwest 737 over that any day.
@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 Boeing are in charge of ambient noise, etc though - have flown the A380, the 747 and the 777, and 787, the best experience was A380, then 787, the 777/747 were a dead heat for last. Its not a massive difference, but enough that many passengers noticed, commented and used to look for carriers flying the whale in preference to the 777 provided most other factors (price/service airline reputation) were close.
Boeing have served Qantas well for more than 60 years and will probably continue to do so for at least close to 20 more years until the 787 has left the fleet. What hapends when the A380 leavs their fleet? Will Qantas continue to fly one stop or 2 stop from Australia to UK? Will it be just non-stop to UK? What about freight? Emirates have 3-4-3 configuration in Economy in their 777. I have tried it once and i think the seats are to narrow for me. Newer again... Qantas have always been flying the biggest there is, 742, 743, 744, 74E and now A380. Today the 777 is the biggest there is. The 777 is also a wery economical airplane, has good freight capasity and takes more pax than their 747`s. If you get a comon type rating between 787 and 777, you are even more flexible with the crew. With the A350 they will have a wery economical and modern airplane. It will be easy for the A380 pilots to convert to A350 when the A380 is leaving the fleet. If they need 3-4-3 in a 777 to make it economical, while it is enough with 3-3-3 in a A350 and it will give their pax a better experience than the 787 with 3-3-3, then may bee the A350 is the best for Qantas. Or my be a pure 787 fleet with booth 787-9, 787-9 LR and 787-10ER? If Qantas can fill the 777 with both pax and cargo on every flight then it probably is the best. The only thing we know is that a to big airplane is to expensive to operate. The cabin withs are 787:5,49 A350: 5,61 777X 5,96
What do you mean in the above explanation when you say 787-5 ,49 as I have NEVER heard of a aircraft with a # e ding with a ( , ) followed by a set of #'s before I have ONLY heard of aircraft # ending - followed by by a signal # before possible such as in the case of the 787-5, 787-6 & so fourth but NEVER with a aircraft # ending with a ( , ) falled a set of #'s at the end of the aircraft model # before.
I love the B777-300ER! Flown it many times from MIA to LHR and love its comfort, especially in BC.
Weird that Qantas never ordered the type? I suppose they are waiting for the B777X and the normalization of the commercial air industry?
Why didn't British Airways order the A330?
Tbh Airbus tortured Boeing
It would’ve been better if Qantas ordered 777’s instead of 787’s
Are you sure, I thought I road on a Qantas 777 Sydney - Manila???? 2018 Shows how good my brain is.?
Qantas operated 767s on the MNL route until they retired the type in late 2014. They then changed to A330s.
I think the Boeing 777x is too big. Airbus can offer the smaller A350, which I think will manage well the less capacity that there will be in the coming years.
ETOPS Vs LROPS happened..
Qantas was smart, took Airbus instead!
Qantas have already said that the A350 is the aircraft of choice for Project Sunrise, they want to be able to use A330 flight crews on the A350 and vice versa. So ultimately that decision to buy Airbus 330’s and not the 777 is what determined the decision for Project Sunrise today.
That said, the 777 and the 787 share a type rating as well, so it's not necessarily that simple.
There were rumours circulating in 2018-2019 that Qantas would use the 777-9X as an A380 replacement once the super jumbos are retired. Given today's climate and how long air travel will need to rebound, not sure if that will ever eventuate.
Qantas long haul plans will be centred around the B787-9 and A350-1000.
What about the rumour that the then CEO was strong armed into buying Airbus planes instead of 777s, does it hold water?
They didn’t buy Airbus instead of 777’s so theory is false.
As I’ve said a few times in replies Qantas ordered (more of) the 747-400 and later the 747-400ER instead of the 777.
@@ashleyw1393 they did buy a330s and a380s but maybe it was a different ceo
@@tripleceven years later. The initial rebuff of the 777 went Boeing’s way with the 747.
The bus orders came years later. And don’t think he was strong armed into anything. For the missions Qantas had the A380’s and A330’s had the 777 was no comparison.
The 330’s were to replace 767’s on domestic routes and the A380 for capacity constrained ports. 777 was too big for one and too small for the other.
@@ashleyw1393 well thanks for clearing that up. Out of interest whats your fav widebody plane. I'm sure you can work out mine.
@@tripleceven A350 followed by 747 and 767. Never been a big fan of the 777.
Big mistake ordering A380 over a B777 imo
a380 is nicer to fly on
THE 777 is still in production, the A380 is NOT!
In the words of CEO Dixon at the time.It was OLD TECHNOLOGY .FFS.
No I’m sad to say
They had 747
When a CEO has too many yes men.
The A380 was a disappointment and Project Sunrise seems dead in the water. Plus how many 777X can Boeing sell to Quantas for such project. Not many, so now Boeing better not drop the ball
the 777X is in the same boult as the A380 it is too big of an aircraft so the A350 is the way to go and with Boeing reputation that has gone up in smoke with shortcut work for profits and a dead max it is no wonder they go for any Airbus aircraft go with who you can trust to build you an aircraft that is safe
*Qantas
Qantas long haul fleet fleet is going to centred around the B787-9 and the A350-1000.
Couldn’t afford them.
Now I love Qantas even more, because I definitely don't like the 777
Qantas is always promising his mistress Boeing that he'll leave his wife Airbus but he never does.
Really? The bulk of the fleet are Boeing’s.
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You can see their faces in their website. in the end of each article, the writer's photo is there
A350 is a superior aircraft in all aspects in comparison with the much heavier 777-x. If only the competing plane from Boeing was a clean sheet design maybe they could have stood a chance
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Why Malaysia Airlines stop using the B777 but rather using a330 a380 and a350 for long haul.
Because their 777-200ER is cursed, they replaced it with the A350-900, do you know about their crashes history?
@@flyowen0786 That's in no way the 777's fault. MAS is just very stupid making up these superstitions when the 777 has a great safety record overall. The 2nd MAS 777 crash is caused by a missile-shootdown, which is in no way Boeing's fault. Josh Cahill exposed how clueless MAS management is when MAS management dismissed a horrible experience he had with the airline, and it's no coincidence thaf this was the same management that thought that getting rid of the supposedly cursed 777 would solve all their problems.
@@Blank00 - I never said it was the 777s fault did i?
@@Blank00 - Yeah your right i watched that video from Josh Cahill 👍
Stop sending suicide pilots to fly your planes.
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Why are you convince that Boeing was best in all cases and for Qantas ? Do you think that American technology is the best ? Personally I am not so sure !
Their choices were blunders in my opinion. I would have ordered 777s instead of A380s and the 747. Maybe Qantas uses them for cargo most of the time?!🤔
Why? Because every mistake that Qantas management makes Australian tax payers get a bill regardless that Qantas is a private company for years.
Boeing: Would you like the Boeing triple-
Quantas: No.
Simple Flying's 10th Video is also about why Qantas did not order the 777.
Please provide links to the other nine videos :) - TB
A380 is proved to be safe. B 777 x not
The triple seven is gonna kick so much ass. Qantas better get some orders in if it knows what's good for them. Screw Airbus.
To be fair A330 is a better choice if they don't need heavylifting or flying far, which they didn't.
Yeah nah, I think they would've been better off with an MD11 fleet
Because they're not morons and knew Airbus is better
Boeing 777X will be too big for the Project Sunrise. The A350-1000 is even more sleek.
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@@lakshmivallabh6936 hi
Cause they knew A350 is the right choice
A B777-9 or a B777-8 will not in the Qantas long haul fleet. Qantas long haul fleet plans will be centred around the B787-9 and A350-1000 both being cheaper than the B777-9 and already have operational credibility.
From Passanger point of view, Airbus have better planes, they have more space for the passengers. For example my experience is with the A330 and B767 on a 8600 km or 5344 mi, both in economy, there was no comparison. The 330 was 3-3-3 and the Boeing was 2-3-2 and still much narrower. Same experience with the A340 and 777 with the same configuration, much more space on the A340. The A380 can't be compared with anything even with the B747-8. The thing is Boeing makes great planes economicaly but at a price (the passenger comfort). Airbus has better planes for the passengers but often not for the airlines.
The 777 miss is a blessing for Qantas. In comparison to 350, 380, 787 the 777 is noisy and very old-school. It was yesterday's plane as it came off the drawing board. Never my plane of choice on any flight.
Hi simple they should stick with the Airbus Aircraft company and not go for a company with a bad reputation at this time the A350is a great and more suited for this routes the 777X is still in the testing phase and what happened to the max itis now wounder that the same 777 might have some shortcuts work on it as well so stick with Airbus the company that we can trust and get it right the first time
a380 will big fail just saying