Im in the US and had a 1979 LHD RR Corniche Coupe . it was my dream car. I loved it and since selling it miss tremendously. Finished in a two tone finish with chestnut to the bottom half, and an unusual light sand on top. The interior leather was stunning buttercream slightly off from the standard white. If another Corniche Coupe comes along I might be tempted ...
I've always considered the Silver Cloud as the quintessential Rolls Royce; it has such an aura and great presence. I often dream of the chance to be driven in one while luxuriating in that wonderful rear seat!
Excellent review and comparison. As an Owner of 2 shadows, 2 shadows 2 and a Spirit 2, I love them all. If I were to keep one it would be my 1973 shadow, being the best synthesis of them all and symbol of the brand.
I got my RR SS1 1969 from Auction for under £6k (I had £10k to spend). So far I have been going through the systems doing most of the work myself. The exhaust was £1200 new stainless. Water system £1000. Tyres white wall
I owned a '62 Silver Cloud, a '96 Silver Spur, an '88 Bentley eight, and currently an '89 Turbo R. Believe it or not, the Bentley 8 was the best driver of them all.
I like the Camargue. Never did when they came out, but now they sort of still look futuristic. I saw one that had been updated with 18" wheels, Turbo R engine etc and it really looked good. However, if I was to buy one, I'd probably want a Turbo RT (and then buy a Turbo R because of the price difference).
I own a Bentley S3 and a Bentley T2 the later being my daily driver and I love and enjoy them both but the S3 has a presence and very special to drive. My vote would be on the S3(cloud 3).
I love my Turbo RT and drive it all year round. Would you guys be able to do a RR&B peak Convertible showdown. I'll probably never be able to afford one, but I don't know this niche well enough to even know the different models to choose from.
A Spirit 111 is still very affordable, a decent low mileage example is under £20k. What you do need however is a garage large enough to keep it in. Treat yourself !
Crewe built Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars, based on the method of running improvements being incorporated during the course of production results in certain batches of cars that stand out as being "better." Here in the US the Crewe built car that is just right is the 50,000 series Mulliner Park Ward Corniche and Camargues built from late 1979 through 1980. These have the new improved mineral oil hydraulics along with the older more reliable and powerful carburetors instead of the sometimes troublesome, less powerful, slower fuel injection. The exhaust note on the carbs is just a touch more throaty and sounds like a big V8 should. This is also the end of the line for the fixed head Corniche, which is especially attractive without the eventual convertible top repairs. These 49 state cars do not meet California smog laws. A California car has fuel injection and the suffix "C" at the end of the chassis number.
Bentley Continental S2 or RR Silver Cloud 2 for looks and presence. Bentley Continental R ot Continental T as a daily driver. The Continental S1 or RR Silver Cloud I are just as imposing, but the 6-cylinder motor and lack of power steerig makes it much worse drive than the S2. The S3 is a fine car as well, but I prefer the single headlights on the older cars.
Between the two of you, I think you've got about spot on - both cars are icons, and I'd happily have either one, though back in the real world, with my own money, I'd be looking at a mid/late '90's Turbo R or Brooklands, for their everyday usability and more modern conveniences (one day I will). Thanks, always enjoy your video's. Cheers!
I got my RR SS1 1969 from Auction for under £6k (I had £10k to spend). So far I have been going through the systems doing most of the work myself. The exhaust was £1200 new stainless. Water system £1000. Tyres white wall
I took delivery of a new 1978 Shadow II age 24 for London delivery tax free to take home to Australia after 15 months savings 92% import and sales tax. . Youth hostelled across Europe in it for 5 months. The SSII was quite a fun drive with rack and pinion steering, Citroen derived suspension and good handling. Huge fun punting it along intermediate roads in UK and Europe... It did suffer from quite a few bugs, typical of British cars from the late 70's... Including a "Failure to Proceed" 6 weeks old near Stonehenge...
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In some images, a R-Type or Mk VI is visible, but you don’t present it? Why? I used to have ALL of those models, you speak about and I came back to the BEST and have an R-Type from 1953 and a Mk VI by Mulliner from 1951! They are the best, the last manuals and all of them had a huge sliding roof, which makes them the most comfortable in summer, plus: they are under 5 meters long, very practical though and even in terms of reliability THE BEST!
The Cloud is, without doubt, what several generations feel is quintessentially Rolls Royce, and it is beautiful. For amazing drivability and charm, a late 1950s Rolls Royce Silver Dawn/ Bentley R type comes second for me. Properly maintained and set up, they really can be enthusiastically driven and are small enough for daily use-petrol money permitting!
The best car I've ever owned is the Bentley Turbo R. Better than my Astons or Bristols. But I have to say the Bentley Corniche is pretty special. Also a late Silver Shadow II in the right colour with a 75 Paris number plate, Sundym glass, and yellow headlights is epic.
I love them all apart from the catastrophic leading problem. All leaded joints eventually crack through the paint, so even a respray won't last unfortunately.
We had a Bentley Eight and then moved onto a Continental R which to my mind is the last pure Crewe car ; level of finish much higher than the four door cars being coach built Having said that we also have a 2008 Arnage which to my mind is just about the end of legacy Crewe . Beyond that and it’s really more VW group than Crewe heritage. I have always loved the Shadow and Cloud , and for me the Arnage is a much more modern expression of those cars . You can see the styling cues but have 450 hp , and a much stiffer chassis
One engaged presenter the other looks totally disengaged almost bored .. makes for difficult viewing .. the hands-in-pocket body language is dreadful ..
I have and love, a Cloud I. My Shadow II is nicer to drive and way superior to the Shadow I, which has lousy steering. My 1939 Wraith is of course pretty agricultural. It was delivered here (to Australia) as a rolling chassis and the Melbourne coachwork is under-whelming. The Cloud I (with single headlights) is the most graceful and would be the last to go in a sale
It would be pretty easy to make an argument for any of these being the best. They all have some great attributes and certain things set each apart for one reason or another. Every time you do a video on these things I keep asking myself why on Earth I haven't owned one yet. Then I drive past a petrol station, cop a glance at the prices and remember. I wonder what purists would think if I dropped a diesel into one?
The red Coupe' is referred to as a Corniche but has a Bentley grill. Is it a Bentley or Rolls-Royce? If it's a Bentley it should have a Continental badge on the boot lid. If it is a Rolls-Royce It should have a Rolls-Royce grill.
Anyone who buys one of these cars buy them because they want a Rolls Royce. My retirement is approaching and I have been looking at Silver Spirits/Bently 8s, but if anyone sees a Shadow 2 with Shadow 1 bumpers let me know.
Had to comment to you mate. My retirement in on the horizon too. I took the plunge and bought a late '76 Shadow, as I had to have the chrome bumpers. I also prefer the dash of the Shadow, but hey... had I come across a Shadow II that I could not resist, perhaps it would have been one of those. Good luck with your search!
Shadow 1and 2 my era I'm UK best car in the world I always wanted to know the s2 is better but in my opinion would look better with 1 bumper.could you even doing it?
A Shadow 11 with the advent of rack and pinion steering drives so much better, but many people dislike the federal style rubber bumpers, rather than the chrome on earlier cars. My brother has a Shadow 11 and I own a Bentley T1, both are lovely cars.The simple rule is always buy the best car you can afford.
I think the guy from NZ has had too much of the amber nectar ! I doubt if more than a few hundred cars were ever exported there. A good Shadow 1 or 11 is a joy to own. Whilst the Shadow 11 with rack and pinion steering drives better, it's federal style rubber bumpers aren't as popular as the earlier chrome bumpered cars. I have a 1975 Bentley T1 and my brother has a 1978 Shadow 2. Both are lovely cars and not expensive to own, it's our hobby !
that was all a bit awkward !! did you two have a row just before you started filming ? zero chemistry betwen both of you in any case . and not very well filmed
@@robinhughes8822 because it might give them the kick up the arse they need to create a decent channel , this was poor and they should buck their ideas up !!
It's strange how the equivalent Bentleys are cheaper than the Rolls-Royce versions their based on. Recently saw a beautiful 1997 Bentley Turbo R LWB in Mulberry Mica with 65k one owner car great condition for 12,500.
The Silver Spirit is the best, the most reliable, a brand in a brand, and for an Italian the best Rolls-Royce is this with yellow english numberplate, not this with an european or american numberplate
Cloud and shadow best looking,spirits my favorite but i am biased because i have one identical to the one shown.i really lije the seraph but the bmw engine and bits and pieces ruin it for me.
@@alancrisp1582you some kind of ar hole or sommit.we dont do dollars over here.we all have favorites,whats yours then?oh and i aint never seen shadows littering the streets over hear in the uk.then again sommit thats as complex as a shadow is probably beyond the capabilites of the folks in your country.😂
@@alancrisp1582not sure why you had a dig at me for liking shadows but i actually have a spirit which is better than a shadow but just not as good looking.as for seeing them littering the sides of roads broken down,well thats just rubbish.oh and we dont do dollars over here.pounds and pence it is.
Im in the US and had a 1979 LHD RR Corniche Coupe . it was my dream car. I loved it and since selling it miss tremendously. Finished in a two tone finish with chestnut to the bottom half, and an unusual light sand on top. The interior leather was stunning buttercream slightly off from the standard white. If another Corniche Coupe comes along I might be tempted ...
That Shadow II is truly beautiful. One of my dream cars having ridden in the back of one as a child many times. I absolutely love it.
I have a Shadow 2 and it is an amazing car with such road presence. I love driving it as much as I can. A very underrated car
I've always considered the Silver Cloud as the quintessential Rolls Royce; it has such an aura and great presence. I often dream of the chance to be driven in one while luxuriating in that wonderful rear seat!
Excellent review and comparison. As an Owner of 2 shadows, 2 shadows 2 and a Spirit 2, I love them all. If I were to keep one it would be my 1973 shadow, being the best synthesis of them all and symbol of the brand.
I got my RR SS1 1969 from Auction for under £6k (I had £10k to spend). So far I have been going through the systems doing most of the work myself. The exhaust was £1200 new stainless. Water system £1000. Tyres white wall
I owned a '62 Silver Cloud, a '96 Silver Spur, an '88 Bentley eight, and currently an '89 Turbo R. Believe it or not, the Bentley 8 was the best driver of them all.
Going back to Crewe-built cars,
Bentleys were to _drive,_
the badge engineered Royce equivalent was to be _driven in._
One must not keep their hands in their pockets in front of a fleet of vintage Rolls Royces! 😂😂
Lovely selection of cars.
I like the Camargue. Never did when they came out, but now they sort of still look futuristic. I saw one that had been updated with 18" wheels, Turbo R engine etc and it really looked good. However, if I was to buy one, I'd probably want a Turbo RT (and then buy a Turbo R because of the price difference).
I own a Bentley S3 and a Bentley T2 the later being my daily driver and I love and enjoy them both but the S3 has a presence and very special to drive. My vote would be on the S3(cloud 3).
I love my Turbo RT and drive it all year round. Would you guys be able to do a RR&B peak Convertible showdown. I'll probably never be able to afford one, but I don't know this niche well enough to even know the different models to choose from.
Never been a lover of there, but my taste is changing with age, the 71 maroon one I reckon.
It's all in the look's
Corniche or shadow one flared arch are the nicest
Early 70's Silver Shadow and Silver Shadow II Very Elegant Very beautiful
For me it's the Silver Spirit II although if I were rich / mad I'd go for a III or IV. I mean, just look at them! 🥰
A Spirit 111 is still very affordable, a decent low mileage example is under £20k. What you do need however is a garage large enough to keep it in. Treat yourself !
Crewe built Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars, based on the method of running improvements being incorporated during the course of production results in certain batches of cars that stand out as being "better." Here in the US the Crewe built car that is just right is the 50,000 series Mulliner Park Ward Corniche and Camargues built from late 1979 through 1980. These have the new improved mineral oil hydraulics along with the older more reliable and powerful carburetors instead of the sometimes troublesome, less powerful, slower fuel injection. The exhaust note on the carbs is just a touch more throaty and sounds like a big V8 should. This is also the end of the line for the fixed head Corniche, which is especially attractive without the eventual convertible top repairs. These 49 state cars do not meet California smog laws. A California car has fuel injection and the suffix "C" at the end of the chassis number.
What model did Steve McQueen drive in "The Thomas Crown Affair"? A nice two door model - black.
The Corniche is almost a grand tourer, love to own one with updated mechanicals.
Bentley Continental S2 or RR Silver Cloud 2 for looks and presence. Bentley Continental R ot Continental T as a daily driver.
The Continental S1 or RR Silver Cloud I are just as imposing, but the 6-cylinder motor and lack of power steerig makes it much worse drive than the S2. The S3 is a fine car as well, but I prefer the single headlights on the older cars.
For me the silver Shadow 1 its the best one ;)
Between the two of you, I think you've got about spot on - both cars are icons, and I'd happily have either one, though back in the real world, with my own money, I'd be looking at a mid/late '90's Turbo R or Brooklands, for their everyday usability and more modern conveniences (one day I will). Thanks, always enjoy your video's. Cheers!
I have a 1958 Cloud owned since 1984 & a 1989 Turbo RL for 5 years. I think easiest to maintain & most reliable post war cars.
Whatever model you choose, always buy the best you can afford.
I got my RR SS1 1969 from Auction for under £6k (I had £10k to spend). So far I have been going through the systems doing most of the work myself. The exhaust was £1200 new stainless. Water system £1000. Tyres white wall
in the words of Arthur Daley, i think i'll stick with the Maxi then....
Shadow one flared arch or 75 corniche
Are the nicest looking inside and out
The Cloud 3 have twins head lights in order to smooth out the leap in visual impact between the Cloud and the Silver Shadow that came after it.
I took delivery of a new 1978 Shadow II age 24 for London delivery tax free to take home to Australia after 15 months savings 92% import and sales tax. .
Youth hostelled across Europe in it for 5 months.
The SSII was quite a fun drive with rack and pinion steering, Citroen derived suspension and good handling.
Huge fun punting it along intermediate roads in UK and Europe...
It did suffer from quite a few bugs, typical of British cars from the late 70's... Including a "Failure to Proceed" 6 weeks old near Stonehenge...
In some images, a R-Type or Mk VI is visible, but you don’t present it? Why? I used to have ALL of those models, you speak about and I came back to the BEST and have an R-Type from 1953 and a Mk VI by Mulliner from 1951! They are the best, the last manuals and all of them had a huge sliding roof, which makes them the most comfortable in summer, plus: they are under 5 meters long, very practical though and even in terms of reliability THE BEST!
Shadow 2 Hands down💫
I think the best Rolls-Royce is a Jaguar XJ6 of the same era, by far! :) Better engineering in so many ways and no high pressure hydraulics.
probably the reason i have too many Jags.
My preferred Crewe car is the 2008-2010 2 door Bentley Brooklands.
From Australia.
Cloud ... majestic ... Shadow I I ... heavenly ... both exquisite.
The Cloud is, without doubt, what several generations feel is quintessentially Rolls Royce, and it is beautiful. For amazing drivability and charm, a late 1950s Rolls Royce Silver Dawn/ Bentley R type comes second for me. Properly maintained and set up, they really can be enthusiastically driven and are small enough for daily use-petrol money permitting!
The definition of optimism: someone who thinks they can just about afford a rolls!
Owning a Rolls Royce is more than the purchase price. The cost of maintenance, insurance and taxes never ends.
The silver cloudiii is the silver cloud iii is simply sublime
I enjoyed it, told me a few things I didn’t know. May I take the Corniche please?
The best car I've ever owned is the Bentley Turbo R. Better than my Astons or Bristols. But I have to say the Bentley Corniche is pretty special. Also a late Silver Shadow II in the right colour with a 75 Paris number plate, Sundym glass, and yellow headlights is epic.
I love them all apart from the catastrophic leading problem. All leaded joints eventually crack through the paint, so even a respray won't last unfortunately.
I Prefer the Crome bumpers of the series 1. But the best of the best is missing, which is, in my opinion, the RR Camargue. Regards, Fernando Pinheiro
The Turbo R - especially the 4-speed cars - deserves the trophy!
Silver shadow 1 for me. Although the ll was an improvement, I don't like the rubber on the bumpers.
We had a Bentley Eight and then moved onto a Continental R which to my mind is the last pure Crewe car ; level of finish much higher than the four door cars being coach built
Having said that we also have a 2008 Arnage which to my mind is just about the end of legacy Crewe . Beyond that and it’s really more VW group than Crewe heritage.
I have always loved the Shadow and Cloud , and for me the Arnage is a much more modern expression of those cars . You can see the styling cues but have 450 hp , and a much stiffer chassis
Bentley Corniche/MPW, rare and beautiful. A hugely expensive car at the time.
I would go with a bentley R Typr Continental fastback as it is beautiful to look at.
One engaged presenter the other looks totally disengaged almost bored .. makes for difficult viewing .. the hands-in-pocket body language is dreadful ..
yep, about as interesting as Leprosy.....
Not to mention the jeans. Really dressed for the occasion!
For me please the Bentley Corniche Coupé, a Bentley S2 Continental 2 Door Saloon and a Bentley T2 Saloon. I don't need more.
The perfection for a three car garage.
I like the silver shadow 1, but i like the spirit of extasy in Chrome
The Cloud is beautiful, the Shadow is okay, but the Spirit is a chunky Granada.
I concur.
Yes, the Spirit leaves me cold too
I have and love, a Cloud I. My Shadow II is nicer to drive and way superior to the Shadow I, which has lousy steering. My 1939 Wraith is of course pretty agricultural. It was delivered here (to Australia) as a rolling chassis and the Melbourne coachwork is under-whelming.
The Cloud I (with single headlights) is the most graceful and would be the last to go in a sale
Corniche without a shadow of a doubt, pardon the pun
It would be pretty easy to make an argument for any of these being the best. They all have some great attributes and certain things set each apart for one reason or another.
Every time you do a video on these things I keep asking myself why on Earth I haven't owned one yet.
Then I drive past a petrol station, cop a glance at the prices and remember.
I wonder what purists would think if I dropped a diesel into one?
Life is short, treat yourself.
It's only right that the Toaster Enthusiasts' Club should be held at the Rolls-Royce site.
Definitely the Silver Shadow II
The Camargue could have been included, but was a financial failure and not received by customers
The red Coupe' is referred to as a Corniche but has a Bentley grill. Is it a Bentley or Rolls-Royce? If it's a Bentley it should have a Continental badge on the boot lid. If it is a Rolls-Royce It should have a Rolls-Royce grill.
Im biased as a Corniche owner :)
For me it’s the Chinese Eye
Bentley S1 for me.
Anyone who buys one of these cars buy them because they want a Rolls Royce.
My retirement is approaching and I have been looking at Silver Spirits/Bently 8s, but if anyone sees a Shadow 2 with Shadow 1 bumpers let me know.
Had to comment to you mate. My retirement in on the horizon too. I took the plunge and bought a late '76 Shadow, as I had to have the chrome bumpers. I also prefer the dash of the Shadow, but hey... had I come across a Shadow II that I could not resist, perhaps it would have been one of those. Good luck with your search!
@@markhooper1352 Thanks. Good to hear I'm not the only Driver a Roller before you die bloke out there.🙂
I've got a nice 82 Silver Spirit that will be for sale probably October.
Shadow 1and 2 my era I'm UK best car in the world
I always wanted to know the s2 is better but in my opinion would look better with 1 bumper.could you even doing it?
A Shadow 11 with the advent of rack and pinion steering drives so much better, but many people dislike the federal style rubber bumpers, rather than the chrome on earlier cars. My brother has a Shadow 11 and I own a Bentley T1, both are lovely cars.The simple rule is always buy the best car you can afford.
Sliver Shadow 1
I think the guy from NZ has had too much of the amber nectar ! I doubt if more than a few hundred cars were ever exported there.
A good Shadow 1 or 11 is a joy to own. Whilst the Shadow 11 with rack and pinion steering drives better, it's federal style rubber bumpers aren't as popular as the earlier chrome bumpered cars. I have a 1975 Bentley T1 and my brother has a 1978 Shadow 2. Both are lovely cars and not expensive to own, it's our hobby !
that was all a bit awkward !! did you two have a row just before you started filming ? zero chemistry betwen both of you in any case . and not very well filmed
Funny, I was thinking the same thing! Loved the cars however.
Why critise what do you want the grand tour ,you probably hate that as well ,it’s bloody u tube
@@robinhughes8822 because it might give them the kick up the arse they need to create a decent channel , this was poor and they should buck their ideas up !!
I was thinking the very same thing. The one that’s looks like Steve Jobs was obviously pissed about something!
Yes very tetchy indeed
Quality
Agreed
Cloud 3 is the one for me
It's strange how the equivalent Bentleys are cheaper than the Rolls-Royce versions their based on. Recently saw a beautiful 1997 Bentley Turbo R LWB in Mulberry Mica with 65k one owner car great condition for 12,500.
Continental R????
Funny you’re talking to Paul because you’re in Paulerspury .
The Silver Cloud / S are the best.
Spirit 2
The Silver Spirit is the best, the most reliable, a brand in a brand, and for an Italian the best Rolls-Royce is this with yellow english numberplate, not this with an european or american numberplate
Cloud and shadow best looking,spirits my favorite but i am biased because i have one identical to the one shown.i really lije the seraph but the bmw engine and bits and pieces ruin it for me.
@@alancrisp1582you some kind of ar hole or sommit.we dont do dollars over here.we all have favorites,whats yours then?oh and i aint never seen shadows littering the streets over hear in the uk.then again sommit thats as complex as a shadow is probably beyond the capabilites of the folks in your country.😂
@@alancrisp1582not sure why you had a dig at me for liking shadows but i actually have a spirit which is better than a shadow but just not as good looking.as for seeing them littering the sides of roads broken down,well thats just rubbish.oh and we dont do dollars over here.pounds and pence it is.
No phantom vi
Never liked the spirit or Bentley version in any engine configuration
Can paul get any less enthusiastic about cars....
Horse power?! Enough!!!.
The 75 corniche is the best one
Pre 75 or post 75 no good 👎
No pommie car was as good as a German Mercedes in any form. They're simply not that good compared to German prestige!