Get information. But please keep in mind ( and I say this as someone who works for FORD UK in the parts department ) a FORD dealer can not look up parts for a Jaguar or Volvo. These vehicles may have the same parts. But each manufacturer parts catalogue is specific to them. And FORD part numbers are different to Jaguar and Volvo, etc.
I have a 23 year old S-type 3.0 V6... (my second one) i love them and i always smile when i get in it a drive away... yes i bought it cheap with issues i knew about, but one huge one i did not know about which pushed the budget out the window, some one at some point removed the cats, and welded.... yes welded the exhausts to the manifolds...?? so £2000 later it's just passed the MOT with no advisories. I know what your thinking , but hey "It's a Jag thing" And one thing to remember is there is not such thing as a bad car, only a bad owner.!
I loved my 04 3 litre pre facelift. It was mechanically and electrically pretty good but rusted like mad and it the end that's what did for it. Would still have another though...
I have a 21 year young S type 2.5 litre. It is always outdoors . I have no rust, no clonks, no leaks of oil or water coming in , no fails of the water pump. So for me it is OK. Only fail until now is the electro motor for level adjusting the drivers seat
Great memories of test driving a V8 S-Type at a X-Type launch event, great to drive and R version looks massively underrated. Didn't like the original interior but much improved with the updated version as was the styling. Rust can't be any worse than a 00s era Benz?
Very nice review, have two S-Types, the first one (2.5 v6 2002.5 x202) since 2017 and the second one (4.2 v8 2002.5 x202) since 2020. Both are very reliable if looked after, love the v8, fantastic engine, quiet and powerful, lovely sound, very comfortable. For me the best Jags from the late 90s/early 00s for daily driving. Have also an early XJ6 4.2 Series 1 (1968) for weekends :)
My Dad bought himself a 3.0SE brand new in 2001 (he dreamed of a mk2 in his younger days) as a present to himself just before he retired, thinking it would see out his driving life. It cost him 10’s of thousands of pounds keeping it on the road, on top of all the Jag dealer servicing up until it reached around 100000 miles. New rear diff, torque converter, auto box, new rear sub frame, along with a plethora of other stuff. He ended up scraping it in 2012 after 150000 miles because the tin worm was rapidly consuming it. 🤦🏼♂️ I had an e39 530i msport for 4 years in the mid 2000’s & it was definitely the superior car in every department but Dad did love his S-type. He is still driving to this day at 86 to be fair, so the S-type had no chance of out lasting him 😂
I'm very much a Jag fan but I own 2 BMWs. The E39 is a better car than the S-Type but they do also rust. I spent £2700 getting the rust done on my E39 M5.
@@lewis72 😯😯 e39 M5 😍 Love it! Totally get where you’re coming from an e39 can have it’s rust problems but for a supposedly premium 34k (in 2001 money) car to rot to the extent that it’s not viable within 11 years, isn’t really acceptable, especially with the amount of money that was thrown at it. For some perspective my brother bought a new Lexus GS 300 in 2005 which he still has to this day & it still looks good with no rust concerns. I bought a 2004 e60 535d in 2008 & then sold it to a friend in 2012 & he still has that car to this day, again with no rust issues. I also should probably mention that these cars are in Scotland as well. The reality is that the S-type was built to a price & certainly the early ones like my dad’s weren’t built very well.
@@andrewmorton3177 Yes, S-Types rotting out so quickly isn't on. X-Types also rot for fun too. I also have an E60 ('53 plate 530i with 202k miles on it) and it's had no rust issues at all. I've been underneath it and seen some surface rust, which I shall attend to this coming spring/summer. I actually think that a manual E39 530i would give 80-90% of the enjoyment of the M5 but for 50% of the running costs.
@@lewis72 love an e39, my very favourite bmw & part of me has always regretted selling mine. An e39 530i is a brilliant all rounder & I would like to have another one day, hopefully before the values inevitably go through the roof.
🤔 I have a 07 S-Type R that I currently have to replace the hose that runs under the supercharger. Thanks for this video 🤩. I’ll get the belt and pulleys done as well thanks to this video 🤩.
Note as well the 2.7 diesels can also snap the crank. Best buy from the range is the 54-plate onwards facelift as the styling is better resolved and all early issues fixed. The 3.0v6 really suits the car also, dont bother with a v8 unless you're going for the type-R
Thank's for the info but what does 54 plate mean? I'd prefer a non dpf diesel for the obvious reasons but since that's pre facelift would it be prone to snapping a crank? I've heard about that issue on lots of early C6's but that's a younger model compared to the s-type
I'm not sure why you kept persisting with the "late 90s S-Type" description. It's a car that came out in 1999 and 92% of it's sales life was in the 2000s! The S-Type is better described as a 2000s Jaguar.
There is a huge leap between the x200 and the x202 in terms of almost everything. I had a x202 ‘03 3.0v6 with 6spd automatic and i had the opportunity to drive a ‘00 x200 4.0 v8 with 5spd automatic. The v8 went faster but that’s about it so far. Every other thing is just felt really bad after my x202. Even the ride quality because the x202 and the x204 already got the revised front suspension with the torsion bar in it and it felt like driving a whole different car. In my opinion the x202 looking the best among the three generations during the production years 1998-2008. But in terms of reliability the x204 is way better than the two previous generation.
On my 5th XJ and on occasion have wondered about switching to an S-type. Have driven the occasional S-type as loan-cars from my Jag specialist. Underwhelmed driving experience. The main issue though rust! Thought that "tin-worm" was bad on my X300 and X308 vehicles but every S-type in for corrosion work at the body shop or seen on the underside of a 4-post lift has been pretty much a disaster!!
My dear, what keeps any car/machine going is the level of service that you give it - which mechanic (because there are many amatures and irrisponsible mechanics around ) - which engine oil (which is crucial) and which make of consumption parts ( since these would have a much reduced uiseful life and hence repeated visits to the garage) - and re rust - unless any car is washed from underneath when winter ends (if it was driven through salty roads due to ice )- that would cristalize into acid crystals in summer and eat away into any car - be it a merce, a jaguar or whatever. I have a 2.7 Diesel year 2006 - it has 158,000 miles and still drives like a dream . At 90,000 it needed its major service - all belts - tensioners and idle wheels - water pump - some hoses which are recommended for replacement since they would fail soon after - gearbox sump since the filer is built in + Original Jag Oil to be on the safe side) - draied all brake hydrolic oil , and belled the system again, differential oil, some almost worn out suspension bushes, etc...... some 3000 euros - All well known bands of cars are good - Jags, Mercedes, BMW ....... are all in the same boat. The mentality and budget of the owners and shit mechanics, ruin them over time.
Wow. I was thinking of one of these as a retro-classic days out car but eventually decided it would be hard to find a very good one. The rotting sills was a serious turn off when I understood.... After a lot of consideration it was decided I would buy a GT style cruiser. I ended up with a BMW 630i coupe, 17 years old no corrosion anywhere 😮 and the straight six is like silk. Always loved the shape and it still feels a bit of an experience whenever I drive it. Everything works exactly as it should. Nothing against the,Jag but if you buy a bad one it could be quite a depressing experience. I guess the rule is, understand the car you are looking at and follow the forums and check check check when looking
Greetings from Toronto Thank you. I love the car design and have been looking and made some offers on 2007 s types but after I told them about their classics the owners decided to keep. Oh well. My family keeps telling me not to get one. Had an xj great highway car . But my German sports car more reliable ThXs for your great video G
Great advice wish I had heard all this when I was in the market for x type had the broken spring faulty lights that are linked to the backup alarm battery that failed all sorts of other problems only kept it for one year of headaches traded it for rover 75 v6 say the least put me of Jags for life 👍👍
This, but I grew up in California, where this was not an issue. In California the issue was bad, weatherstripping, destroyed, clearcoat, destroyed interior. I moved to the Midwest and you do have to do rust treatment terms of even just frequent car washing.
There's not many of these left on the road in the US. Junk cars. Jaguar really dropped the ball with the nylon timing gears, among other things. Jaguar would be a household name in the states if the dolts didn't literally engineer failure into them.
@@ClassicsWorldUK Well, they do have timing chain issues. But I guess if someone was to be serious about a car with a Jag V8, they should have the chains and guides replaced and then be good to go for a long time.
As much as I like old Jags (mainly the proper Browns Lane ones) I wouldn't bother with these or X Types. They weren't particularly well loved when new and they are now firmly in the banger phase. Cheap to buy but they are at 'that' age where they rot like a bean tin and are needing all kinds of jobs doing, not many of which are cheap. That wouldn't be a problem if they were going to go up in value, but they won't. They will always be that unwanted old Jag worth buttons. If you want a needy old saloon to keep you busy and drain your wallet, buy an E39 5 Series - at least they are increasing in value to offset your costs. Or better still, an alloy Jaguar XJ. Now there is a Jag worth having.
All i can say is don't buy one, they rust as quickly as a 70's Datsun and will empty your wallet chasing one fault after another. The X-Type was a lemon, and the S -Type is little better.
Sad to say that I agree with you. I had 2.7D on a 56 plate with a body kit and it looked great and was pretty nippy, but it is without doubt the worst car I have ever owned. It had a wet driver's footwell, the gearbox used to get stuck in P and needed replacing a then it started rusting on one of the wings and all that when it was only 8 years old.
Get information. But please keep in mind ( and I say this as someone who works for FORD UK in the parts department ) a FORD dealer can not look up parts for a Jaguar or Volvo. These vehicles may have the same parts. But each manufacturer parts catalogue is specific to them. And FORD part numbers are different to Jaguar and Volvo, etc.
I have a 2001 S-Type 3.0 It has 107 thousand miles on it. It is PRISTINE. Almost showroom condition. Back seats never sat on. Beautiful car.
Have a 2001 jag stype 4.0 love it.
I have a 23 year old S-type 3.0 V6... (my second one) i love them and i always smile when i get in it a drive away... yes i bought it cheap with issues i knew about, but one huge one i did not know about which pushed the budget out the window, some one at some point removed the cats, and welded.... yes welded the exhausts to the manifolds...?? so £2000 later it's just passed the MOT with no advisories. I know what your thinking , but hey "It's a Jag thing" And one thing to remember is there is not such thing as a bad car, only a bad owner.!
I loved my 04 3 litre pre facelift. It was mechanically and electrically pretty good but rusted like mad and it the end that's what did for it. Would still have another though...
I have a 21 year young S type 2.5 litre. It is always outdoors . I have no rust, no clonks, no leaks of oil or water coming in , no fails of the water pump. So for me it is OK. Only fail until now is the electro motor for level adjusting the drivers seat
Proves how dependable they can be!
Great memories of test driving a V8 S-Type at a X-Type launch event, great to drive and R version looks massively underrated. Didn't like the original interior but much improved with the updated version as was the styling. Rust can't be any worse than a 00s era Benz?
Very nice review, have two S-Types, the first one (2.5 v6 2002.5 x202) since 2017 and the second one (4.2 v8 2002.5 x202) since 2020. Both are very reliable if looked after, love the v8, fantastic engine, quiet and powerful, lovely sound, very comfortable. For me the best Jags from the late 90s/early 00s for daily driving. Have also an early XJ6 4.2 Series 1 (1968) for weekends :)
guess I got lucky, had 2 of these both around 600 quid each and never had an issue, both passed 2 mots
My Dad bought himself a 3.0SE brand new in 2001 (he dreamed of a mk2 in his younger days) as a present to himself just before he retired, thinking it would see out his driving life. It cost him 10’s of thousands of pounds keeping it on the road, on top of all the Jag dealer servicing up until it reached around 100000 miles.
New rear diff, torque converter, auto box, new rear sub frame, along with a plethora of other stuff.
He ended up scraping it in 2012 after 150000 miles because the tin worm was rapidly consuming it. 🤦🏼♂️
I had an e39 530i msport for 4 years in the mid 2000’s & it was definitely the superior car in every department but Dad did love his S-type. He is still driving to this day at 86 to be fair, so the S-type had no chance of out lasting him 😂
I'm very much a Jag fan but I own 2 BMWs. The E39 is a better car than the S-Type but they do also rust. I spent £2700 getting the rust done on my E39 M5.
@@lewis72 😯😯 e39 M5 😍 Love it! Totally get where you’re coming from an e39 can have it’s rust problems but for a supposedly premium 34k (in 2001 money) car to rot to the extent that it’s not viable within 11 years, isn’t really acceptable, especially with the amount of money that was thrown at it.
For some perspective my brother bought a new Lexus GS 300 in 2005 which he still has to this day & it still looks good with no rust concerns. I bought a 2004 e60 535d in 2008 & then sold it to a friend in 2012 & he still has that car to this day, again with no rust issues. I also should probably mention that these cars are in Scotland as well.
The reality is that the S-type was built to a price & certainly the early ones like my dad’s weren’t built very well.
@@andrewmorton3177
Yes, S-Types rotting out so quickly isn't on.
X-Types also rot for fun too.
I also have an E60 ('53 plate 530i with 202k miles on it) and it's had no rust issues at all.
I've been underneath it and seen some surface rust, which I shall attend to this coming spring/summer.
I actually think that a manual E39 530i would give 80-90% of the enjoyment of the M5 but for 50% of the running costs.
@@lewis72 love an e39, my very favourite bmw & part of me has always regretted selling mine. An e39 530i is a brilliant all rounder & I would like to have another one day, hopefully before the values inevitably go through the roof.
My Dad had one of these….really lovely cars!
🤔 I have a 07 S-Type R that I currently have to replace the hose that runs under the supercharger. Thanks for this video 🤩. I’ll get the belt and pulleys done as well thanks to this video 🤩.
These are always good to watch! I learn a lot from the clever way this is put together! Well done and keep up good work next year too please!! 🙂🚘🚗🚘
Thanks for watching, we certainly will! 😁
Note as well the 2.7 diesels can also snap the crank. Best buy from the range is the 54-plate onwards facelift as the styling is better resolved and all early issues fixed. The 3.0v6 really suits the car also, dont bother with a v8 unless you're going for the type-R
Thank's for the info but what does 54 plate mean? I'd prefer a non dpf diesel for the obvious reasons but since that's pre facelift would it be prone to snapping a crank? I've heard about that issue on lots of early C6's but that's a younger model compared to the s-type
I'm not sure why you kept persisting with the "late 90s S-Type" description. It's a car that came out in 1999 and 92% of it's sales life was in the 2000s! The S-Type is better described as a 2000s Jaguar.
Absolutely stunning car.
There is a huge leap between the x200 and the x202 in terms of almost everything. I had a x202 ‘03 3.0v6 with 6spd automatic and i had the opportunity to drive a ‘00 x200 4.0 v8 with 5spd automatic. The v8 went faster but that’s about it so far. Every other thing is just felt really bad after my x202. Even the ride quality because the x202 and the x204 already got the revised front suspension with the torsion bar in it and it felt like driving a whole different car. In my opinion the x202 looking the best among the three generations during the production years 1998-2008. But in terms of reliability the x204 is way better than the two previous generation.
Best thing when buying one off these if you see the right one is to book it in for a mot as the rear arms front bearings rear track rods wear
Solid advice!
On my 5th XJ and on occasion have wondered about switching to an S-type. Have driven the occasional S-type as loan-cars from my Jag specialist. Underwhelmed driving experience. The main issue though rust! Thought that "tin-worm" was bad on my X300 and X308 vehicles but every S-type in for corrosion work at the body shop or seen on the underside of a 4-post lift has been pretty much a disaster!!
Great video, although that's a very long list of potential failures. Makes a good case for the XJ😊
We do love an XJ! There's an X350 buying guide on the channel, and an X308 guide coming soon ;)
My dear, what keeps any car/machine going is the level of service that you give it - which mechanic (because there are many amatures and irrisponsible mechanics around ) - which engine oil (which is crucial) and which make of consumption parts ( since these would have a much reduced uiseful life and hence repeated visits to the garage) - and re rust - unless any car is washed from underneath when winter ends (if it was driven through salty roads due to ice )- that would cristalize into acid crystals in summer and eat away into any car - be it a merce, a jaguar or whatever. I have a 2.7 Diesel year 2006 - it has 158,000 miles and still drives like a dream . At 90,000 it needed its major service - all belts - tensioners and idle wheels - water pump - some hoses which are recommended for replacement since they would fail soon after - gearbox sump since the filer is built in + Original Jag Oil to be on the safe side) - draied all brake hydrolic oil , and belled the system again, differential oil, some almost worn out suspension bushes, etc...... some 3000 euros - All well known bands of cars are good - Jags, Mercedes, BMW ....... are all in the same boat. The mentality and budget of the owners and shit mechanics, ruin them over time.
Wow. I was thinking of one of these as a retro-classic days out car but eventually decided it would be hard to find a very good one. The rotting sills was a serious turn off when I understood.... After a lot of consideration it was decided I would buy a GT style cruiser. I ended up with a BMW 630i coupe, 17 years old no corrosion anywhere 😮 and the straight six is like silk. Always loved the shape and it still feels a bit of an experience whenever I drive it. Everything works exactly as it should. Nothing against the,Jag but if you buy a bad one it could be quite a depressing experience. I guess the rule is, understand the car you are looking at and follow the forums and check check check when looking
Greetings from Toronto Thank you. I love the car design and have been looking and made some offers on 2007 s types but after I told them about their classics the owners decided to keep. Oh well. My family keeps telling me not to get one. Had an xj great highway car . But my German sports car more reliable
ThXs for your great video
G
XJ all the way 👍🤗
Best with the xj dash then, better still if you exit the car and discover even more xj and little, or make that no, S type....
Great advice wish I had heard all this when I was in the market for x type had the broken spring faulty lights that are linked to the backup alarm battery that failed all sorts of other problems only kept it for one year of headaches traded it for rover 75 v6 say the least put me of Jags for life 👍👍
A lot of people commenting don't seem to realise that you actually have to actively treat and prevent rust.
This, but I grew up in California, where this was not an issue. In California the issue was bad, weatherstripping, destroyed, clearcoat, destroyed interior. I moved to the Midwest and you do have to do rust treatment terms of even just frequent car washing.
@@2steaksandwiches665
Garage ? Carport ? Maybe......
@@Marc_Remillard parking at work in a big parking lot means 10 hours a day of exposure. And then heat. And then the hours in traffic.
I nearly bought one of these 20 years ago. Used to kinda like the retro styling. Now I look at them and think they're funny looking buggers.
Another good video 🚘🚙🚗👏👏👏⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
There's not many of these left on the road in the US. Junk cars. Jaguar really dropped the ball with the nylon timing gears, among other things. Jaguar would be a household name in the states if the dolts didn't literally engineer failure into them.
If I were to pick one, it'd be with the V6. I'm still a bit scared of the Jag V8.
The V8 is a bombproof unit if well cared-for - the 4.2 in our X350 has over 150,000 miles on it!
@@ClassicsWorldUK Well, they do have timing chain issues. But I guess if someone was to be serious about a car with a Jag V8, they should have the chains and guides replaced and then be good to go for a long time.
Hey. Nice Lancia Lybra
As much as I like old Jags (mainly the proper Browns Lane ones) I wouldn't bother with these or X Types. They weren't particularly well loved when new and they are now firmly in the banger phase. Cheap to buy but they are at 'that' age where they rot like a bean tin and are needing all kinds of jobs doing, not many of which are cheap. That wouldn't be a problem if they were going to go up in value, but they won't. They will always be that unwanted old Jag worth buttons.
If you want a needy old saloon to keep you busy and drain your wallet, buy an E39 5 Series - at least they are increasing in value to offset your costs. Or better still, an alloy Jaguar XJ. Now there is a Jag worth having.
Ive got two and i love them more and more ,no problems at all.
In other words just get an XJ instead...
Volvo S80 is much better
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Unfortunately these are rust buckets in my experience.
All i can say is don't buy one, they rust as quickly as a 70's Datsun
and will empty your wallet chasing one fault after another.
The X-Type was a lemon, and the S -Type is little better.
Agreed.
Sad to say that I agree with you.
I had 2.7D on a 56 plate with a body kit and it looked great and was pretty nippy, but it is without doubt the worst car I have ever owned.
It had a wet driver's footwell, the gearbox used to get stuck in P and needed replacing a then it started rusting on one of the wings and all that when it was only 8 years old.
Sadly it is true that there is no such thing as a cheap Jaguar.
Sorry to hear that you had a bad sample.@@wainerollins2587
A V6 in that awful Seafrost metallic green paint and almond cloth interior is a very sad looking thing.
They always looked like a Korean Jag pastiche to me.