The opening lines gave me chills since for anyone who read and tolerated the expanded Dune universe, humanity's victory against the thinking machines is aptly condensed into this statement.
What's awesome is that in the prequel novels, the Machine Crusade is like 30 years of the machines going, "Ok, we escalated the war again, and the situation is back under control. Surely, the humans wouldn't be crazy enough to take things any farther, right?" And being repeatedly and hilariously wrong.
@@kamithecompiler857 House Corrino has held the title of Padishah Emperor the entire length of the Imperium. Atriedes was a celebrated hero under the leadership of Corrino and the family was bestowed Calidan, one of the greatest garden worlds in the landsrad, as a fiefdom to reward their service.
It actually depends on how you interpret the term lead. Now we are going in the legends trilogy here by Brian Herbert so sorry for Dune purists. Also this show considers the expanded universe as Canon so any argument that this is Dune fan fiction is moot. Faykan Corrino, well he was still Butler at that time, was the Viceroy of the League of Nobles and he was head of the League of Nobles (precursor to the Landsraad). So he was the titular "head" of humanity when it comes to governing representation, but at this point in time humanity was still fragmented and the Corrino empire is still yet to be established. In military affairs though, Vorian Atreides served and lead in front as the Supreme Commander and was the mastermind on how humanity was able to corner the Thinking Machine empire into one planet and quarantine it. However that strategy came at a terrible price, billions of enslaved humans were wiped out in nuclear holocaust instead of being liberated and the guilt and shame of those innocent deaths lies entirely with Vorian. This is why at the end of the conflict, Vorian was shunned by the League because of that shameful reminder that in every former machine planet that was turned into a nuclear wasteland, billions of humans were relegated to being collateral martyrs of that insane strategy. To be fair to Vorian, when he enacted that strategy to eliminate the thinking machines, the thinking machines were also on their way to annihilate every world that humanity settled, no matter how insignificant it was for the League of Nobles. The machines definitely outgunned and outclassed humanity except for instantaneous space travel (which at that time was dangerous, 10% attrition rate per jump) since travel via prescience was not yet known. In the Battle of Corrin though, granted, Faykan was present and officially lead humanity's forces but Vorian was still the one giving commands and sub-commanders were deferring to him instead of the Viceroy.
@@senpainoticeme9675Thank you for the excellent read! I love the Dune lore (yes even Brian's work), and you seem very well versed on it. How involved was house Harkonnen in Vorian's strategy? I know the show states that Abulurd was declared a coward but was actually a hero. I wonder how that went about.
If you are wondering if there is a war so horrible or terrible that you have never seen before, either in the real or fictional world, it is this dark season of jihad, it is difficult to know how many people died, then it is mentioned that counting the grains of sand of Arrakis would not be enough to calculate the deaths that occurred in that period.
Exactly. Although it’s cool seeing the ‘thinking machines’ fighting humans they could’ve done occasional flashbacks with barely an narration or they could’ve done it the way game of thrones does with character referencing aegons conquest or roberts rebellion. Just little snippets here and there
cus thinking machine was banned so there's literally no innovation no technological advancement people just used over what they have for 10000 years because they won't take the risk of making a automatic machine
Blades are used as weapons due to the Holtzman shield, which blocks all sufficiently fast-moving projectiles. Thus the phrase in Dune Part One "the slow blade penetrates the shield." Bullets are rendered useless. Lasguns aren't used because a lasgun blast hitting a Holtzman shield creates an atomic reaction akin to a nuclear bomb - basically, if you're close enough to use a lasgun on a shielded target, you'll probably be killed as well. As a result, the conventions of war shifted, and blades were used to penetrate what the weapons humanity had been using for millennia could no longer accomplish. The Holtzman shield already exists by the end of the Butlerian Jihad. Hence we see the EMP grenade lobbed first and the soldiers will probably use the blades to sever the pieces of the machine now that the shield is down.
The lore here kind of is nonsense. Paul's grandfather fought bulls and the Atreides were only just becoming worryingly powerful 10K years later. Meanwhile the Corrino family has been the emperors of the known universe for millenia. Would have made much more sense to have the Atreides be unknown or even portrayed poorly and the Corrinos to be the 'heroes' here. It's already weird enough having these houses be around for 10K years (that's the timegap between the now and saber tooth tigers, we can't even talk about how many civilisations fell in that time because there weren't civilisations then). It'd be like setting a drama around the [popular powerful family in real life] set in the stone age. But positioning the families in situations where they parallel the recent movies (Atreides are heroes, Corrinos rule, Harkonnen are evil) feels stagnant to the point of absurdity and makes the whole dynamics of the Dune 1 plot make little sense. "We've been fighting Harkonnens for centuries" he said, not ten millenia.
Brian really butchered the hell out of the Butlerian Jihad… while vague on details it was meant to be another kind of renaissance, not a terminator style humans vs machines… just goes to show how much he does not understand Dune
This opening scene was enough to make me sure I'm not interested in watching the show. A Dune prequel story where the protagonist is a Harkonnen Bene Gesserit whose life-long goal is to help further the plan of controlling genetic lines and politics from the shadows? Why would I want to watch that? It's like a Space Fantasy version of The Sopranos. I don't want to hate the protagonist of the show I'm watching. Breaking Bad was enough for me. I'm done rooting for the bad guys.
Looked like the machines were using the shields and the humans weren't. The personal shields changed combat. High speed projectiles don't get through and the lasers would set off a nuclear blast if used on them. Only slow attacks work. Hence the swords and magnetic grenades.
@@damnthebran One thing I never understood from Dune is this rubbish about how shields turn into nukes just because were hit by a laser. That looks to me as incredibly pathetic excuse to limit the technology level of the story.
@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Not really. It made him get creative with how limits on tech would change how everything works. They had to adapt fighting styles and they had to focus on using human evolution in place of computers. There are other humans that will seem alien they haven't got to yet, that exist to compensate for the limits on technology. Other franchises have the big space lasers, guns and advanced computers. I like the different direction Herbert took.
@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Okay, here we go. The shields work by manipulating space time and the lasguns emit high focused energy. The interaction causes an feedback loop or energy conversion that causes a sub atomic fusion reaction released as an explosion. I think it's a creative way to affect the combat. I just don't think Dune is for you and that's fine.
"She trained sisters as truthsayers. assigned to the great houses to sift truth from lies." yeah, I think we got that, lady. it's in the name: Truthsayer!
theres so much wrong with this i dont even know where to begin. the new films were passable but heavily sterilised and dumbed down. this though...... who ever wrote it needs a career change
@williamhad even Rings of Power did it better, shockingly. "There was a war, there were two bad guys, now there only one and he disappeared. The war is over but things are still shady af". ROP prologue is jarringly so much better than the rest of the show.
So... We don't need to watch this show now, because they just explained the entire plot in the first 3 minutes of prologue? Thanks! Hours of time saved right there. 👍
couple notes. terrible as the show may be, you've got to admit those thinking machines look pretty awesome. would love to see a hole saga just about the Butlerian Jihad. aside from that, though, I'm really upset and worried that this show is basically just propaganda for the bene gesserit. seriously, Hollywood, what is it with making stories where the bad guys are just 'misunderstood?' the Acolyte did it with the sith, the Joker did it with, well, you know who, and now you're making literal eugenically driven, power-hungry, mind-controlling witches your 'good guys?' I don't care what idea of justice or power you have: my allegiance will always be to House Atreides!
How are the Bene Gesserit the bad guys exactly, when their plans led to the birth of Paul Atreides, whose son managed to preserve the human species? I'm not saying I agree with the methods of any involves, but what specifically about the sisterhood is so evil?
@@tianming4964 Ok, fair, you've got a point there. I guess the difference though is that Paul's genocide is not treated as a good thing in the story. (at least not that I know of) we'll have to wait and see if the Bene Gesserit's crimes will be treated as a good or bad thing in this show. admittedly, I was a bit too quick to judge.
The opening lines gave me chills since for anyone who read and tolerated the expanded Dune universe, humanity's victory against the thinking machines is aptly condensed into this statement.
I have not read the expanded Dune universe, but its satisfying to hear that!
What's awesome is that in the prequel novels, the Machine Crusade is like 30 years of the machines going, "Ok, we escalated the war again, and the situation is back under control. Surely, the humans wouldn't be crazy enough to take things any farther, right?" And being repeatedly and hilariously wrong.
This opening explains why even ten thousand years later “everything looks the same”
It actually fits with dunes theme. At the time of Dune (paul atreides time), the imperium was in a time of great stragnation.
hope we get more lore and scenes from the machine war
Im hoping we actually see Vorian Atreides at some point in this. Either in flashback or the present.
honestly hope not, this jsut seems like humans vs machines and not like humans vs humans with machines
@@DembosTheEmperor some of the thinking machines are cyborgs. human Brains but everything else is machine
Atriedes did not lead war against Machines but the family of Emperor. Thats why they become rulers of the universe.
This shows takes place 10.000 years before the birth of Paul Atreides.
@@kamithecompiler857 House Corrino has held the title of Padishah Emperor the entire length of the Imperium. Atriedes was a celebrated hero under the leadership of Corrino and the family was bestowed Calidan, one of the greatest garden worlds in the landsrad, as a fiefdom to reward their service.
House Corrino ‘won’ the final battle
It actually depends on how you interpret the term lead. Now we are going in the legends trilogy here by Brian Herbert so sorry for Dune purists. Also this show considers the expanded universe as Canon so any argument that this is Dune fan fiction is moot.
Faykan Corrino, well he was still Butler at that time, was the Viceroy of the League of Nobles and he was head of the League of Nobles (precursor to the Landsraad). So he was the titular "head" of humanity when it comes to governing representation, but at this point in time humanity was still fragmented and the Corrino empire is still yet to be established.
In military affairs though, Vorian Atreides served and lead in front as the Supreme Commander and was the mastermind on how humanity was able to corner the Thinking Machine empire into one planet and quarantine it.
However that strategy came at a terrible price, billions of enslaved humans were wiped out in nuclear holocaust instead of being liberated and the guilt and shame of those innocent deaths lies entirely with Vorian.
This is why at the end of the conflict, Vorian was shunned by the League because of that shameful reminder that in every former machine planet that was turned into a nuclear wasteland, billions of humans were relegated to being collateral martyrs of that insane strategy.
To be fair to Vorian, when he enacted that strategy to eliminate the thinking machines, the thinking machines were also on their way to annihilate every world that humanity settled, no matter how insignificant it was for the League of Nobles.
The machines definitely outgunned and outclassed humanity except for instantaneous space travel (which at that time was dangerous, 10% attrition rate per jump) since travel via prescience was not yet known.
In the Battle of Corrin though, granted, Faykan was present and officially lead humanity's forces but Vorian was still the one giving commands and sub-commanders were deferring to him instead of the Viceroy.
@@senpainoticeme9675Thank you for the excellent read! I love the Dune lore (yes even Brian's work), and you seem very well versed on it. How involved was house Harkonnen in Vorian's strategy? I know the show states that Abulurd was declared a coward but was actually a hero. I wonder how that went about.
If you are wondering if there is a war so horrible or terrible that you have never seen before, either in the real or fictional world, it is this dark season of jihad, it is difficult to know how many people died, then it is mentioned that counting the grains of sand of Arrakis would not be enough to calculate the deaths that occurred in that period.
Whoever wrote this needs to learn the value of show, not tell.
Sure… because we’re simply meant to believe whatever Valya HARKONNEN TELLS the audience…
OK so. I don't tend to leave comments, but the first episode of Dune Prophesy is terrible. Bad. Awful. Really, really bad. Zero Stars.
Exactly. Although it’s cool seeing the ‘thinking machines’ fighting humans they could’ve done occasional flashbacks with barely an narration or they could’ve done it the way game of thrones does with character referencing aegons conquest or roberts rebellion. Just little snippets here and there
It's to setup Valya Harkonenn as narrator and its the first episode I'd give em a pass if they have to be a little quick with the exposition.
i won’t lie, i quite like the occasional expository intro with narration, but this one felt so jarring.
Truth is a three-edged sword.
It is a shame that the Bene Gesserit will never meet a Vorlon. THAT would have been epic exchanges.😅
@@respectfulconversation944especially since Vorlons speak in riddles
double edged sword*
@@multicreativeartist6579three your side, thier side and the truth
@@multicreativeartist6579you do not understand, but you will
Excellent series.
So this is set 10,000 years before Paul Atriedes was even born? Why does it look the same?
cus thinking machine was banned so there's literally no innovation no technological advancement people just used over what they have for 10000 years because they won't take the risk of making a automatic machine
Due to the machine war the Dune universe is more or less technological stagnant.
Aestetics keep stagnant due to post technocratic regiments to full on neo feudalism.
It doesnt look the same. You just lack observational skills.
It’s essentially the Low Budget Version of Denis Villeneuve’s Style, You can tell by the Set pieces
I can't believe I get that show for free. 0.50 cents a day. Not even. Amazing. Love every minute of it.
Look like terminator 8
Why do they run like jerks with the swords against the huge robot, does anyone know?
I thought swords were a later feature
Blades are used as weapons due to the Holtzman shield, which blocks all sufficiently fast-moving projectiles. Thus the phrase in Dune Part One "the slow blade penetrates the shield." Bullets are rendered useless. Lasguns aren't used because a lasgun blast hitting a Holtzman shield creates an atomic reaction akin to a nuclear bomb - basically, if you're close enough to use a lasgun on a shielded target, you'll probably be killed as well. As a result, the conventions of war shifted, and blades were used to penetrate what the weapons humanity had been using for millennia could no longer accomplish.
The Holtzman shield already exists by the end of the Butlerian Jihad. Hence we see the EMP grenade lobbed first and the soldiers will probably use the blades to sever the pieces of the machine now that the shield is down.
The lore here kind of is nonsense. Paul's grandfather fought bulls and the Atreides were only just becoming worryingly powerful 10K years later. Meanwhile the Corrino family has been the emperors of the known universe for millenia. Would have made much more sense to have the Atreides be unknown or even portrayed poorly and the Corrinos to be the 'heroes' here. It's already weird enough having these houses be around for 10K years (that's the timegap between the now and saber tooth tigers, we can't even talk about how many civilisations fell in that time because there weren't civilisations then). It'd be like setting a drama around the [popular powerful family in real life] set in the stone age. But positioning the families in situations where they parallel the recent movies (Atreides are heroes, Corrinos rule, Harkonnen are evil) feels stagnant to the point of absurdity and makes the whole dynamics of the Dune 1 plot make little sense. "We've been fighting Harkonnens for centuries" he said, not ten millenia.
Es fantasía
So, is this history written by the winners and these are all just psychotic technophobes who killed all the robots because they’re dumb animals?
Depends on which Herbert is writing it. This seems to follow Brian Herberts version of the war where the Titans and Omnious were rightly feared.
@@lordfrostwind3151 Ultron comes to mind is how I picture Omnius lol.
Brian really butchered the hell out of the Butlerian Jihad… while vague on details it was meant to be another kind of renaissance, not a terminator style humans vs machines… just goes to show how much he does not understand Dune
Oh please stick and stone would never had stopped the robots.
This opening scene was enough to make me sure I'm not interested in watching the show. A Dune prequel story where the protagonist is a Harkonnen Bene Gesserit whose life-long goal is to help further the plan of controlling genetic lines and politics from the shadows? Why would I want to watch that? It's like a Space Fantasy version of The Sopranos. I don't want to hate the protagonist of the show I'm watching. Breaking Bad was enough for me. I'm done rooting for the bad guys.
they fighting against robot with sword? how primitif the future is...
Looked like the machines were using the shields and the humans weren't. The personal shields changed combat. High speed projectiles don't get through and the lasers would set off a nuclear blast if used on them. Only slow attacks work. Hence the swords and magnetic grenades.
@@damnthebran One thing I never understood from Dune is this rubbish about how shields turn into nukes just because were hit by a laser. That looks to me as incredibly pathetic excuse to limit the technology level of the story.
@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Not really. It made him get creative with how limits on tech would change how everything works. They had to adapt fighting styles and they had to focus on using human evolution in place of computers. There are other humans that will seem alien they haven't got to yet, that exist to compensate for the limits on technology. Other franchises have the big space lasers, guns and advanced computers. I like the different direction Herbert took.
@@damnthebran Yes, but the idea of force fields making "BOOOM!" just because they were hit by a laser beam still looks pretty pathetic.
@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Okay, here we go. The shields work by manipulating space time and the lasguns emit high focused energy. The interaction causes an feedback loop or energy conversion that causes a sub atomic fusion reaction released as an explosion. I think it's a creative way to affect the combat. I just don't think Dune is for you and that's fine.
"She trained sisters as truthsayers. assigned to the great houses to sift truth from lies."
yeah, I think we got that, lady. it's in the name: Truthsayer!
theres so much wrong with this i dont even know where to begin. the new films were passable but heavily sterilised and dumbed down. this though...... who ever wrote it needs a career change
Your words make me think you haven’t actually watched this series.
Bra, that's way too much exposition to dump by a narrator. There's no way anyone retains this. Did a 12 year old write this show?
I had to stop watching the show because of this
@williamhad even Rings of Power did it better, shockingly. "There was a war, there were two bad guys, now there only one and he disappeared. The war is over but things are still shady af". ROP prologue is jarringly so much better than the rest of the show.
American IQ.... made dumber shows because u cant comprehend a simple plot...
So... We don't need to watch this show now, because they just explained the entire plot in the first 3 minutes of prologue?
Thanks! Hours of time saved right there. 👍
True and in that prologue sounds nothing of Brian Herbert prequel books
couple notes. terrible as the show may be, you've got to admit those thinking machines look pretty awesome. would love to see a hole saga just about the Butlerian Jihad.
aside from that, though, I'm really upset and worried that this show is basically just propaganda for the bene gesserit. seriously, Hollywood, what is it with making stories where the bad guys are just 'misunderstood?' the Acolyte did it with the sith, the Joker did it with, well, you know who, and now you're making literal eugenically driven, power-hungry, mind-controlling witches your 'good guys?'
I don't care what idea of justice or power you have: my allegiance will always be to House Atreides!
How are there good guys in Dune when the protagonist goes on to genocide billions of people?
How are the Bene Gesserit the bad guys exactly, when their plans led to the birth of Paul Atreides, whose son managed to preserve the human species? I'm not saying I agree with the methods of any involves, but what specifically about the sisterhood is so evil?
@@tianming4964 Ok, fair, you've got a point there. I guess the difference though is that Paul's genocide is not treated as a good thing in the story. (at least not that I know of) we'll have to wait and see if the Bene Gesserit's crimes will be treated as a good or bad thing in this show. admittedly, I was a bit too quick to judge.
@@tianming4964 trillions and trillons trillons people
there arent really good guys in dune... and leto ii and the bene gesserit have the same goal which is to save humanity
Looks very generic
bruh what
Gay
So far it has been boring af