From the 3:54 mark you can really see how stable the bike was, while the wheels are bouncing like a young kangaroo on Christmas morning. Great shot, Rob. You’re nailing these videos lately, mate.
Wow, I have rarely seen a rear end that works so well. On many other bikes you can see in slow motion that the rear triangle or the damper stops working if there are too many small impacts and gets stuck. That's not the case here at all and you can see how the tire sticks to the ground. But this is also thanks to the correct settings on the Fox
8:00 I owned an EP8, and the fact that the power cuts out whenever you pedal at high cadence really ruined it for me. I switched to the Bosch Gen 4 and it's night and day. So much better.
They are a nice bike, but..... even with their current discount you can get a whyte e160 or e180, kenevo and giant reign E with a similar or better spec for the same money or less. A friend currently bought a whyte e160 for £4400 with 750wh bat, bosch cx motor, axs shifting and fox 38.
I seriously considered this bike but the weight and the EP-801 put me off. My Whyte E-160s was around 26-27kg and that is just too much to get into my car, haul onto uplifts etc. I went for a Spesh Turbo Levo instead and I’m very pleased with it, despite the inferior suspension.
I want one but seems like they don't/won't sell/ship to USA. I have both a 141 and 161, both fantastic bikes, rides great up and down with tons of traction, geo is dead on.
Looks great but if they're so focussed on value for the end user, why not offer a frameset or buid kit option with fork and rear shock so you're not swapping out the basic (touch points etc) parts immediately ? Environmentally it's crazy to be speccing basic parts they know most people will swap out straight away !
Exactly this. Why aren't these companies doing ebike framesets? Just a nice frame, motor and battery. It's what I'm waiting for as I have all the higher end components I like to use all here ready to build up. Buying a cheaper model donor bike still seems too expensive.😢
Great video Rob. It's a nice bike been looking at it for a while now. And decent money for the prices in general. It would be good I'd you could get your hands on the new Orange patriot and see what that's like.
Own and loving the bike - great to see a good review of it as always a gamble pre-ordering a new bike. One thing I will comment is a lot of riders do laps and loop spots where having two smaller batteries is prefered, I hope we get to the point where more manufacturers can offer multiple battery options and two smaller batteries is an option.
There’s some good adjustments available if needed with reach adjustment headsets from someone like works components if you’d prefer to go p3 and adjust down if you find a bit too long.
This Privateer and the new MX YT Decoy is at the top of my wish list currently but one major turn off is the Shimano Motor. I’ve just heard alot more horror stories with reliability and warranty issues on the Shimano vs the Bosch for example. In your opinion Rob, how have you found the reliability of Shimano vs the many other brands that you test? Most bikes are spot on with geo, specs etc but the motor system has to be on point wouldn’t you say?
Thanks for this video, it helped me make the decision to purchase this today as my first step into ebikes, should be with me end of September. Also found a discount code on an emtb forum which i believe was possibly your code, miggt be wrong there. But anyways ended up paying £3749, which is an amazing price for this imo.
Your scale maybe showing 26.000KG (it's pretty hard to nail down 3 decimal points) because max weight capacity of your scale is 25KG. I wonder if the scale just maxed out which means the actual weight of the bike is even more than 26KG. Of course this doesn't mean the bike is bad by any means.
What height are you? I am 187cm and have a rather short inseam of 87cm. 490-495mm reach would be perfect for me, but the bike has a fairly short effective top tube length of 615mm in size P3 (L), but a perfect reach of 490mm. For me, an effective top tube length of approx. 435-440mm and a reach of 490-495mm would be perfect. The P4 size would have an effective top tube length of 642, but then a reach of 515, which is absolutely too much. However, the effective top tube length only plays a role when sitting; when standing, the reach and stack are important. The stack in size P3 is relatively small at 638mm, but I can simply install a handlebar with a lot of rise, that's not a problem. The XL frames from Santa Cruz or Propain are always the perfect size for me, whether sitting or standing. Or the Mondraker frames in size L are also very good.
Hi, I am 190cm and the P3 worked great. I'd prob put a higher rise bar on (in fact that was my intention as soon as I got it, but I actually got on quite well with stock bar height). Also, as I test a lot of bikes, on paper they all look different in reach / stack and geo, but your body adapts to these differences really quickly. I can actually ride bikes from 480 reach right up to 525 and still ride all the trails just as well on both extremes - obviously there are differences in how they ride, but now with slack head angles and decent weight placement on ebikes (low cengres of gravity) even shorter bikes feel inherently stable... Once you get your bike you can play with stem / bar height and even go for reach adjust headset if you want to fine tune
Really nice! Hey will you be testing the Lightcarbon LCE930? I saw on a Forum that they may send you a frame. It really looks like a good option with the insane prices of light emtb at the moment.
I own a Radon Render, great bike to ride. But broke off a piece of a frame because the little M5 bolts on my Bosch CX came loose and developed play and blew out a mounting hole of the bigger M8 bolts. Bike was less than 2 years old and around 4000km. Bike discount (Radon reseller) said it wasnt properly checked by my dealer and didn't want to do anything, except give a new part of the frame for €1000. You think you buy a new 6K bike at least you have some warranty... No more Radon for me...
I still find it difficult to buy into any ebike as the lack of a standard bolt pattern for motors restricts your choice of motors that are in reality, not that good. Give me a bafang m600/10/20 over any of these motors and I'll have the saving when I just buy the frame on my own!
The chain is on backwards. Shimano 12 speed are directional. Shifting would have been shitty. 😮 FSR linkage is nothing new, proven to work. Once that patent finished all these designers will use it. Will over all will be a nice bike to ride.
Yes - but much easier to find balance with longer rear, stop the front lifting and allow the rear to dig in and drive the bike forward. Short chainstay on XL bike delivers more weight bias towards the rear centre, resulting in too much weight on the rear and needing more forward body language input- thus needing a shifting of body weight towards the front of the bike.
In theory this might be true but in practice longer stays has more traction climbing than short. Other things including center balance and such also play into rear climbing traction. I almost always spin out on my shorter stay (432mm) bike vs longer stay (440mm) bike. Both use same tires, pressure, sag, even almost same travel 141mm vs. 138mm, both Horst Link 4 bar. In fact both bikes are direct competitors to each other, the only real difference between the two is geometry but only a small amount. Also find this to be true with hardtails too and even singlespeeds, where the longer stays has more traction on climbs, especially on tech climbs.
6250 Euro is cheap today? Materials - 1000e + 1000e in labor +1000e in advertise and dev + 3250 in GAIN. => Yes , good value. With that amount of money you can buy a new Chinese electric car.
@@Extremegaz25 I got my e-bike at 2000E used. And I still consider it is over priced. I also bought a brand new 1L 100hp ATV for 8250 Euro. You know how complex is a ATV compared to a e bike? Bike manufactures just exploit the desire for people for fun.
@@garymartin557 £5k is neither of those. If an entry level ebike costs £5k then they are either someone is ripping people off, or they are really bad at the business of making things.
@@spazda_mx5 value is a subjective thing so i disagree with your statement. 5k is a lot of money, but value is a metric that can be used on an expensive item. i could spend 5k on a watch or 5k on a bike or a car. which has the greater value is dependent on what you perceive as value for money. you do not feel 5k on a bike is value for money even though the components are good. i would not consider 5k an entry level bike myself, but given the spec i would admit it has what i would perceive as value for money.
Well if riders change components then why supply them. saves cost and waste. 63 deg head angle, next year the updated geometry will use 62 deg, then the next years will be 61 deg then we will finally get to the stupidity of 60 deg. 67 deg is the sweet spot for bikes to flow, anything lower is for those who think that rampage lines are the norm.
@@DaBinChe Then surely 64 deg will be even more perfect for aggressive trail riding and then again if you want to be a super aggressive down hill maniac 63 deg will be the head angle for you.
@@DaBinChe Well my trail riding 67 deg allows for pleasant flow and no flop. Just where in the world can you just go DH with 63 deg on Earth there are flat areas and uphill's.. now if you can have intelligent variable head angle then that would be a true innovation.
@@tomquimby8669 they are called bike parks. Not everyone lives in the flatlands where 67* is perfect. The PNW for example is know for being very steep, you'll go over the bars with 67* headangle. That is why there are different bikes for different places and different riding styles. Some bike companies's bikes are made specific to the area of which they are located and rides horribly in areas where the terrain is opposite. Most aggressive trail bikes today are design to go up or down and does very well in both but no so in flat terrain. The Privateer141 is a great bike for tech climbs and down technical but on flats or not technical it doesn't feel as good or just feels weird with the steep seat angle and slack head.
Rob, there is NO value in this offer from any standpoint. Review a TRUE VALUE Enduro emtb, and then comment on ANYTHING over 5,000 USD as a value bike. You know where to look, and how to get them. Please show what is actually available to the public for a 2,500 USD top spec Enduro emtb. Frame material in this category, as well as motor power and battery power are major buying points. Why would anyone consider a 6061 bike over T1000 carbon bike for a higher price? At least discuss these options if you are never going to review these packages please, for the public at large.
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From the 3:54 mark you can really see how stable the bike was, while the wheels are bouncing like a young kangaroo on Christmas morning. Great shot, Rob. You’re nailing these videos lately, mate.
Watching the slow motion of the chain slapping everywhere makes me want an integrated gearbox/motor even more.
Wow, I have rarely seen a rear end that works so well. On many other bikes you can see in slow motion that the rear triangle or the damper stops working if there are too many small impacts and gets stuck. That's not the case here at all and you can see how the tire sticks to the ground. But this is also thanks to the correct settings on the Fox
Yes rear end works great, its awesome to see the shots in slow motion to see how its working through the travel
8:00 I owned an EP8, and the fact that the power cuts out whenever you pedal at high cadence really ruined it for me. I switched to the Bosch Gen 4 and it's night and day. So much better.
They are a nice bike, but..... even with their current discount you can get a whyte e160 or e180, kenevo and giant reign E with a similar or better spec for the same money or less. A friend currently bought a whyte e160 for £4400 with 750wh bat, bosch cx motor, axs shifting and fox 38.
Do they sell in US ?
Great pricing for sure out on the market right now.
Some great bargains on Specialized out there right now, Levo and Kenevo, as well as last gen SLs
@@ankurmohindru3094not as normal but theyll probably ship it. Ive had a couple of bikes shipped across from the uk.
One of the best value bikes for sure! What about that Crestline review? We have been waiting for quite long you know...
Lovely bike but would it be worth going for the base level Orbea Wild at 5,300 and get a Bosch Motor and a lighter bike?
I seriously considered this bike but the weight and the EP-801 put me off.
My Whyte E-160s was around 26-27kg and that is just too much to get into my car, haul onto uplifts etc.
I went for a Spesh Turbo Levo instead and I’m very pleased with it, despite the inferior suspension.
I'll definatley be looking at one when they fit a MGU
Rob your bike reviews are the best: beautiful b rolls, great riding skills and general vibe. Spectacular!
Thanks for this - appreciated!
I want one but seems like they don't/won't sell/ship to USA. I have both a 141 and 161, both fantastic bikes, rides great up and down with tons of traction, geo is dead on.
Looks great but if they're so focussed on value for the end user, why not offer a frameset or buid kit option with fork and rear shock so you're not swapping out the basic (touch points etc) parts immediately ? Environmentally it's crazy to be speccing basic parts they know most people will swap out straight away !
Exactly this. Why aren't these companies doing ebike framesets? Just a nice frame, motor and battery. It's what I'm waiting for as I have all the higher end components I like to use all here ready to build up. Buying a cheaper model donor bike still seems too expensive.😢
Tested it as well, epic bike.
Great bike isn’t it. Suspension performance is amazing and so the frame and geo so composed
Looks a great bike, but a Shimano motor for longevity?????hmmm, don't know about that one
You ever gong to review the fezzari timp peak?
Great looking and totally good value bike but for one thing....not Bosch.
Great video Rob. It's a nice bike been looking at it for a while now. And decent money for the prices in general. It would be good I'd you could get your hands on the new Orange patriot and see what that's like.
Own and loving the bike - great to see a good review of it as always a gamble pre-ordering a new bike. One thing I will comment is a lot of riders do laps and loop spots where having two smaller batteries is prefered, I hope we get to the point where more manufacturers can offer multiple battery options and two smaller batteries is an option.
What size did you go for, and how tall are you?
Never use the phrase "laser focussed" again.😂
Was this filmed in the woods behind minehead? Where the southen enduro national champs were
Hi - some of it was there and some in triscombe 👍
Stopped when he said it was built for performance then said it had an EP8 motor.
It was the ‘included paid promotion’ in the very first second that turned me off lol
Nice Vid. Where were you riding Rob??
what about sizing Rob - was the P3 good for your height as I'm 5'11 at a push and cant decide between the P2 and P3
There’s some good adjustments available if needed with reach adjustment headsets from someone like works components if you’d prefer to go p3 and adjust down if you find a bit too long.
thanks Rob@@RobRidesEMTB
This Privateer and the new MX YT Decoy is at the top of my wish list currently but one major turn off is the Shimano Motor. I’ve just heard alot more horror stories with reliability and warranty issues on the Shimano vs the Bosch for example.
In your opinion Rob, how have you found the reliability of Shimano vs the many other brands that you test?
Most bikes are spot on with geo, specs etc but the motor system has to be on point wouldn’t you say?
Shimano EP motor that's a pass. And also wouldn't want an X2 if your goal is to save money. Should be a coil.
Thanks for this video, it helped me make the decision to purchase this today as my first step into ebikes, should be with me end of September. Also found a discount code on an emtb forum which i believe was possibly your code, miggt be wrong there. But anyways ended up paying £3749, which is an amazing price for this imo.
Your scale maybe showing 26.000KG (it's pretty hard to nail down 3 decimal points) because max weight capacity of your scale is 25KG. I wonder if the scale just maxed out which means the actual weight of the bike is even more than 26KG. Of course this doesn't mean the bike is bad by any means.
What height are you? I am 187cm and have a rather short inseam of 87cm. 490-495mm reach would be perfect for me, but the bike has a fairly short effective top tube length of 615mm in size P3 (L), but a perfect reach of 490mm. For me, an effective top tube length of approx. 435-440mm and a reach of 490-495mm would be perfect. The P4 size would have an effective top tube length of 642, but then a reach of 515, which is absolutely too much. However, the effective top tube length only plays a role when sitting; when standing, the reach and stack are important. The stack in size P3 is relatively small at 638mm, but I can simply install a handlebar with a lot of rise, that's not a problem. The XL frames from Santa Cruz or Propain are always the perfect size for me, whether sitting or standing. Or the Mondraker frames in size L are also very good.
Hi, I am 190cm and the P3 worked great. I'd prob put a higher rise bar on (in fact that was my intention as soon as I got it, but I actually got on quite well with stock bar height). Also, as I test a lot of bikes, on paper they all look different in reach / stack and geo, but your body adapts to these differences really quickly. I can actually ride bikes from 480 reach right up to 525 and still ride all the trails just as well on both extremes - obviously there are differences in how they ride, but now with slack head angles and decent weight placement on ebikes (low cengres of gravity) even shorter bikes feel inherently stable... Once you get your bike you can play with stem / bar height and even go for reach adjust headset if you want to fine tune
Really nice!
Hey will you be testing the Lightcarbon LCE930? I saw on a Forum that they may send you a frame.
It really looks like a good option with the insane prices of light emtb at the moment.
Yes 👍
@@RobRidesEMTB amazing!
Killer value is Radon Deft 8.0 750 for 4499euros, would be nice to see review.
I own a Radon Render, great bike to ride. But broke off a piece of a frame because the little M5 bolts on my Bosch CX came loose and developed play and blew out a mounting hole of the bigger M8 bolts. Bike was less than 2 years old and around 4000km. Bike discount (Radon reseller) said it wasnt properly checked by my dealer and didn't want to do anything, except give a new part of the frame for €1000. You think you buy a new 6K bike at least you have some warranty... No more Radon for me...
Nice bike, but Shimano motor 👎🏻
Next in line, please..
I don’t see this bike listed for sale on the website.
Try : www.privateerbikes.com/collections/privateer-e161
If you are in the USA the E161 will not show up. They don't sell/ship the E161 to the US.
Are anyone can help me I don't know if that are good buy that bike or canyon on CFR?
This or the 2023 orbea wild H10?
H10
@@antoineapotheloz5716 have you got one?
Nice ! Those trails look familiar?? Put me out of my misery please ?
South West UK - Triscombe & Minehead 👍
@@RobRidesEMTB thought so - one of my fav areas ..don’t love it so much in the wet .
Reminds me of Decoy.
Price tag screwed up my balance.
I love the slow mo at 26 seconds, just walking round the front of the bike.... pointless but you're defo appealing to the masses 😂
Great choice of words Rob "regularly pedal bike" . Can we all start using this and get away from the morons calling them analog! Lets go with RPB 😁
I still find it difficult to buy into any ebike as the lack of a standard bolt pattern for motors restricts your choice of motors that are in reality, not that good. Give me a bafang m600/10/20 over any of these motors and I'll have the saving when I just buy the frame on my own!
As soon a I saw a shitmano motor I turned off
Bit offputting to see a 2kg pivot from 20years ago but ok.
The chain is on backwards. Shimano 12 speed are directional. Shifting would have been shitty. 😮 FSR linkage is nothing new, proven to work. Once that patent finished all these designers will use it. Will over all will be a nice bike to ride.
3 year old small car or a budget emtb....... Hmmm
Long chainstay means less weight on the rear wheel, so less traction rather than more while climbing.
Yes - but much easier to find balance with longer rear, stop the front lifting and allow the rear to dig in and drive the bike forward. Short chainstay on XL bike delivers more weight bias towards the rear centre, resulting in too much weight on the rear and needing more forward body language input- thus needing a shifting of body weight towards the front of the bike.
In theory this might be true but in practice longer stays has more traction climbing than short. Other things including center balance and such also play into rear climbing traction. I almost always spin out on my shorter stay (432mm) bike vs longer stay (440mm) bike. Both use same tires, pressure, sag, even almost same travel 141mm vs. 138mm, both Horst Link 4 bar. In fact both bikes are direct competitors to each other, the only real difference between the two is geometry but only a small amount. Also find this to be true with hardtails too and even singlespeeds, where the longer stays has more traction on climbs, especially on tech climbs.
Shite motor not fit for purpose!!!
6250 Euro is cheap today? Materials - 1000e + 1000e in labor +1000e in advertise and dev + 3250 in GAIN. => Yes , good value. With that amount of money you can buy a new Chinese electric car.
I can buy a brand new Honda Crf 300L for that amount haha
And a fire extinguisher to maybe put it out, I do get it's a lot of money.
Totally agreed
@@Extremegaz25 I got my e-bike at 2000E used. And I still consider it is over priced. I also bought a brand new 1L 100hp ATV for 8250 Euro. You know how complex is a ATV compared to a e bike? Bike manufactures just exploit the desire for people for fun.
Nice bike, I stay in South Africa with the feul prices sky high would mind that bike. Too safe some money on feul
Shimano motors not good derestricted…
My mates had 5 motors replaced in 3 years…
£5k counts as value in mountain biking (e or non-e) these days? 😂
You dont even get a E-Bike frameset for that money.
value and cheep are not the same thing.
What you put in brackets makes no sense. For an analog bike 5k gbp is still on the rather expensive side, for e bike it's close to nothing.
@@garymartin557 £5k is neither of those. If an entry level ebike costs £5k then they are either someone is ripping people off, or they are really bad at the business of making things.
@@spazda_mx5 value is a subjective thing so i disagree with your statement. 5k is a lot of money, but value is a metric that can be used on an expensive item. i could spend 5k on a watch or 5k on a bike or a car. which has the greater value is dependent on what you perceive as value for money. you do not feel 5k on a bike is value for money even though the components are good. i would not consider 5k an entry level bike myself, but given the spec i would admit it has what i would perceive as value for money.
How are you are you fine paig
too bad it has failure prone shimano motors
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Well if riders change components then why supply them. saves cost and waste. 63 deg head angle, next year the updated geometry will use 62 deg, then the next years will be 61 deg then we will finally get to the stupidity of 60 deg. 67 deg is the sweet spot for bikes to flow, anything lower is for those who think that rampage lines are the norm.
nah 65* is perfect for aggressive trail riding. 67* is when the trail is smoother or trail not very steep
@@DaBinChe Then surely 64 deg will be even more perfect for aggressive trail riding and then again if you want to be a super aggressive down hill maniac 63 deg will be the head angle for you.
@@tomquimby8669 No, there comes to a point where it gets worst. 65* is just about right for trail riding. 64* for enduro, 63* for DH, 66* for XC
@@DaBinChe Well my trail riding 67 deg allows for pleasant flow and no flop. Just where in the world can you just go DH with 63 deg on Earth there are flat areas and uphill's.. now if you can have intelligent variable head angle then that would be a true innovation.
@@tomquimby8669 they are called bike parks. Not everyone lives in the flatlands where 67* is perfect. The PNW for example is know for being very steep, you'll go over the bars with 67* headangle. That is why there are different bikes for different places and different riding styles. Some bike companies's bikes are made specific to the area of which they are located and rides horribly in areas where the terrain is opposite. Most aggressive trail bikes today are design to go up or down and does very well in both but no so in flat terrain. The Privateer141 is a great bike for tech climbs and down technical but on flats or not technical it doesn't feel as good or just feels weird with the steep seat angle and slack head.
Rob, there is NO value in this offer from any standpoint. Review a TRUE VALUE Enduro emtb, and then comment on ANYTHING over 5,000 USD as a value bike. You know where to look, and how to get them. Please show what is actually available to the public for a 2,500 USD top spec Enduro emtb. Frame material in this category, as well as motor power and battery power are major buying points. Why would anyone consider a 6061 bike over T1000 carbon bike for a higher price? At least discuss these options if you are never going to review these packages please, for the public at large.
You wont get a top spec enduro ebike for 2500 end of. Vitus is the best bang for your buck at 4k for a decent spec.
You need to shop at Halford pal😂