I didn't care for him much because I thought he was a kane ripoff. Which he was. I started appreciated him during his run as Joe park. He was awesome. He showed his range.
I'd mark the fuck out if Abyss made a surprise appearance in the rumble match using his original TNA theme. He already works there after all. He just needs the mask and a wig.
I wish. Problem is that it already should have happened by now. And if they were going to do it, it can't be a one-off appearance. Fans would be more disappointed if it didn't lead to a final run.
Corny could have just rated his monster work on a scale of 1-10. Lol No need to compare his work with dead territory wrestlers most listeners have never even seen.
I always liked Abyss, met him shortly before he went to WWE, probably one of the last times he wrestled in the UK. Seemed a very nice guy. Glad he's got a decent job these days!
The "old" TNA was actually pretty good in the early days, once it got going. Right up until it didn't, it fell off a cliff, and became a parody of itself
Somehow, I feel like Tony Khan was once a TNA mark and not just WCW/ECW... Beast Mortos is a real lawyer named Frank turned into some masked monster who growls a lot. Abyss was a masked monster that turned into a "lawyer", Joseph Parks. So Tony was probably high and got it backwards...
AEW took alot of talent away from TNA when it started. Ethan Page, Santana, Ortiz, Lucha Bros, Allie, Blade and Diamante. Later it was Kiera Hogan, Madison Rayne, Deonna Purrazzo and Taya Valkyrie.
@@vonVile And proceeded to do nothing with them. Good for the talent, can't blame any of them for taking the deal to get more money to sit in catering, but it's not good for the industry overall.
This was one of those gimmicks that it felt a lot like Mankind because he was acting so desperate for the approval of others just like mankind! You're supposed to be a goddamn monster! Why the hell would you need the approval of dried up old blonde prune from the 80s?
Top 5 workers in TNA History. Tremendous chemistry with everyone. Made every gimmick match enjoyable. Even with garbage matches, nobody sold a thumbtacks bump like Abyss.
Abyss was awesome in TNA his Pairing with James Mitchell was the reason why I started watching TNA in 2005 when they first started on spike TV great seeing him producing in WWE especially that incredible CM punk vs drew McIntyre Hell in a cell match at bad blood in october last year.
Lockdown '05 match against AJ should be shown in every wrestling school on how you do a David vs Goliath match. I love that match even more than the unbreakable triple threat.
@Pricklypeen that match was incredible 20-years later but having a PPV that every match is a cage match is pretty stupid don't you think maybe that inspired WWE to create the Hell in a cell PPV glad we rarely see the cell in the current administration Abyss's entrance is iconic also his entrance theme was used by monty brown and the road warriors I believe.
In 05/06 when Shit Stain didn't have his hands on him Abyss was incredible. Him and James Mitchell paired perfectly and he looked like a credible threat to any babyface. Then when Shit Stain came back Abyss immediately went downhill and never recovered
Mitchell has said that basically all the garbage wrestling BS was on Abyss, though. Said Abyss Wil E Coyote'd himself by always pulling out tacks, glass, whatever then winding up going into it himself.
False. Abyss peaked during his feud with Sting and storyline with James Mitchell in 2007. He even got an NWA World title reign out of it. That was all under Russo.
Apparently WWE were courting him to work for them. He would have worked with The Undertaker at WrestleMania 23 (if Vince hadn't changed his mind that is). He got cold feet and never worked for the WWE because he couldn't handle the pressure. It sucks but probably best he didn't go to the WWE, since they pivoted to a hard PG direction by 2009 anyway.
The Abyss will go down in history as the most Underrated Big Man/ Misused Monster of all time. He was the Perfect combination of Mankind and Kane, yet he was his own persona.
@@TheUnDisputedDoc.G The Abyss was a great classic 80s scifi movie. Abyss the wrestler was an abysmal amalgamation of a Mick Foley/Kane cosplay gone wrong with in ring skill of a late 90s era Hogan and charisma of a wet mop. Everything abojt him was a dollar store ripoff of someone else.
@@skylite21 not even. That month. I give that to that weird ending with AJ and Angle were they cosplayed the Montreal screwjob. Almost beat for beat with Angle spitting on Hogan.
Character had potential but mostly worked under people who couldn't utilize it properly. Ended up largely "Kane but with even dumber angles with no high points."
I knew Dixie was full of shit on her YouShoot when she said those “Fire Russo” chants were about other bookers. Bullshit. You can smell a Russo match a mile away.
I ref'd Chris for a coupe years before TNA started. I could tell he would do well long term as he was 100% committed to wrestling before he was making any money. His work ethic was maniacal.
His runs with Father James Mitchell as his Paul Bearer were probably my favorite, I can’t recall how long they ran together or if it was off and on but still
Not sure if this has already been mentioned in the comments. But Abyss has gone on record to say he did have an offer from WWE during his TNA run. To have a long fued with Taker, which would have eventually led to a Wrestlemania blow off. He turned it down because of the trust and security he had with TNA. He felt after his programme with Taker, WWE would have just tossed him aside.
I remember Dixie talking about the “Fire Russo” chants lmao. She didn’t say it was Dutch, she said “for all you know, it was Dutch’s idea”, but even better was when she said “If I hear fire Russo in my building one more time, I’m going to fire someone else.”
Abyss was the Kane for TNA his first 4 years we’re honestly amazing looking back. He was legit 6’6 or 6’7 but watch him hit the ropes, watch him sell, watch his demented character work. He was so intriguing early on
Abyss was my favorite growing up watching TNA. I remember getting his mask at Toys R Us and cherished that thing 😂 glad he finally made it to WWE but man I wish he could have had some of the dream matches in the ring!
The layering of Brian asking “He’s with WWE I believe does that surprise you?” at the same time Jim yells out “HE STABBED STING IN THE FACE” is hilarious.
@@foxwhittaker4367 It was around in 2003/2004 on SKY channel 427. It had TNA, ROH, FWA, 1PW, LDN Capital, Irish Whip, NJPW and loads of others. I just assumed because you'd heard of 1PW you'd watched The Wrestling Channel haha.
He charged me £20 for a photo and signature during the very first 1PW event here in England, UK. Thought it was a bit expensive but hey ho was a pleasure to meet him.
That's actually pretty cheap compared to the prices a lot of other wrestlers charge for their autographs. (That's about $20.83 for my fellow dumbass Americans lol) Some of the boys/girls charge their fans hundreds of dollars/Euros for autographs. 😂
@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact oh ik but he knew it was gonna happen booked him to literally only do that spot in recommendation of Sullivan he just went a bit overboard
@@dinasty856 yeah, Jim was thinking it'd be a simple blade job. Put it on TV to help advance the feud between Sullivan and Brian Lee. I don't think it was shown on the TV. If it did, it was either heavily edited or censored.
Abyss was such a badass wrestler. He had a great look and played his role so brilliantly. When I first started watching TNA in the mid 2000s, he was one of my favorites. I'm happy to see he's doing well for himself in WWE now.
The Black Hole Slam is one of my favorite wrestling moves because of Abyss. I remember seeing a little bit of him pre-Abyss era in NWA Wildside briefly and when he became Abyss in TNA, I thought he was awesome.
I was a huge fan of Abyss back in the day but even I got tired of all the constant ultra violent hardcore matches. Also, Abyss was constantly punked out and lost so many big matches that it was hard to believe him as a credible threat after a while. He went from an unstoppable monster to a sideshow.
Abyss could have been something much more than he became for TNA. His career was marked with a lot of stupid angles and matches. But he was an extraordinary character that showed he should have been on the level of Sting, Angle, AJ Styles and even Austin Aries in the 2010's
You know who I'm really interested in Jim talking about? The Amazing Red. Way too small to be wrestling but insanely talented in the ring. And Jim had to be around him for some of his TNA run.
@@yoholmes273okay so you just watch 70’s and 80’s southern wrestling only and have a weird Fetish for it because how else are you this into Cornette and this wrestling world but missing out Amazing Red
The Abyss gimmick was definitely a great gimmick in TNA for a couple of things. One he's large, two he's not only large, the competition are a lot smaller, so he definitely looked like a monster vs others, three he barely talked in the early days and lastly, he's doing big man moves that makes sense..
I only started watching TNA in 2012, so unfortunately, I didn't get the full Abyss Experience. By that time, he was Joseph Park, and I was told that Abyss was his brother.
Ahh man that’s a shame Abyss was legit terrifying in the early years of TNA when James Mitchell managed him. He never talked but used to scream and wail like a psycho Terry Funk in the 80s. He really sounded like actual asylum patient.
I remember watching him as a kid. Dream match was him vs Kane or Taker. Was that rumor ever confirmed of him being offered a deal to leave TNA to face Taker @ WM?
The fact that Cornette had to be in the building for a match that ended with a wrestler ascending to heaven not only twice in his life, but over a decade apart 😂
early abyss was awesome. later on they didn't know what to do with him and it went straight downhill. i also never had the feeling he was like mankind. abyss was a totally different character and person.
Jim is so nice when he speaks about the wrestlers he treated but so mean with guys he doesn't even know in real life and probably he'll praise too. No need to disrespect them in a personal way.
I met abyss during Jay lethals black machismo era and he was the nicest dude ever. The way he lit up when I said I was a fan of Raven. He was the only person I've met who was as much of a Raven fan as me lol
Judas Mucias and abyss was crazy for me. I liked their gimmicks. They had some cool shit but man they went overboard . Abyss was one of the top tna guys. Legend. He's also part of the most wild spot I've ever seen when perc angle sentoned off the stage onto him
Abyss was such ahead of his time a perfect mixture between Kane & Mankind the fact Vince wanted to bring him in and have him end Undertaker’s streak explains what Vince saw in him who knows what he would’ve been if he did come to WWE but he’s a great producer.
I liked Abyss. He was one of my favorites back in the day. But then they did that Undertaker, Kane, and Paul Bearer angle and it all went downhill from there. And don't get me started with that Eugene gimmick they gave him.
We were open to the Mesias and Abyss feud but something just didn't click. This was the time when Russo came back and destroyed what was a badass wrestling product in 05/06.
I remember watching the glass cutting on TV. You could tell weeks later he had really been cutting himself cuz you could see the cuts through his tattoos on his arms
Abyss has been producing banger ass matches in the WWE majority of Gunther’s matches I believe his latest produced match was the Punk Vs Drew HIAC match
I always found him to be an interesting character. What I loved even more is when I heard he produced Punk vs Drew in that incredible cell match.
I didn't care for him much because I thought he was a kane ripoff. Which he was. I started appreciated him during his run as Joe park. He was awesome. He showed his range.
@@juniorkhomari1850I would say he was a mixture of Kane and Mankind. I thought it was pretty cool.
I really wish he would have went to WWE and had a run with Undertaker and Kane.
His character was the cheap, direct-to-DVD version of Mankind/Kane. In-Ring he was a great big man tho.
@@Omega-h4eYeah, like the demented love child of Mankind and Kane.
Abyss and AJ had some absolutely slept on bangers in early TNA.
Always remember there matches
Always reminded me of if Kane and Mankind were combined
If he was a combination of those two, his matches would've been far worse!
Yeah, the size and aggression of Kane mixed with the insanity of Mankind.
Kaneman
Mankane
Mick kaney
Cactus Kane
Dude Kane
i always referred to him as KaneKind
Same
I liked that at the end of it all, Jim finished it off with, "I'm happy for him." 😊
Why doesn't he say that about The Rock though. Why is he so negative towards The Rock?
@@zhougongjin2704 He used respect the Rock / have a friendship with him,
But Brian Last turned him against the Rock
@@zhougongjin2704 Brian Last turned Jim against him.
@@zhougongjin2704 Because no matter how charismatic that he may be, the Rock is a fraud.
Brian Last, the hidden sitth!
I'd mark the fuck out if Abyss made a surprise appearance in the rumble match using his original TNA theme. He already works there after all. He just needs the mask and a wig.
That would be awesome!
Wouldnt be totally out of the blue either given the partnership
That’s great! Hope to see it
He can't move like he used to. It probably won't happen.
I wish. Problem is that it already should have happened by now. And if they were going to do it, it can't be a one-off appearance. Fans would be more disappointed if it didn't lead to a final run.
“I’m not going to get into it.”
Completely gets into it lol
Pretty sure he meant comparing Abyss to other monster gimmicks.
Corny could have just rated his monster work on a scale of 1-10. Lol No need to compare his work with dead territory wrestlers most listeners have never even seen.
He said he's not going to get into saying where Abyss compares to other monster gimmicks. Next time listen more carefully, friend.
I always liked Abyss, met him shortly before he went to WWE, probably one of the last times he wrestled in the UK. Seemed a very nice guy. Glad he's got a decent job these days!
I would legit pay money to hear Jim review old tna episodes. If his dynamite reviews are funny imagine old tna episodes 😭🔥🍿
The "old" TNA was actually pretty good in the early days, once it got going.
Right up until it didn't, it fell off a cliff, and became a parody of itself
“Cornette on his time with TNA Wrestling” 1 hour and 20 min is the closest thing we got
Get Cornette on Ring of the Hawk
The Joseph Park storyline where we was looking for his brother Abyss was great.
Judas Messiah in Puerto Rico was named Ricky Banderas, he works for Triple A as Mesias. In Lucha Underground he was Mil Muertes.
It was the fireball spot w/ Vampiro that got Wrestling Society X cancelled on MTV.
He was like Damien Priest back then. That's probably where Martinez ( Priest) got his name from a play on Banderas name
Somehow, I feel like Tony Khan was once a TNA mark and not just WCW/ECW...
Beast Mortos is a real lawyer named Frank turned into some masked monster who growls a lot. Abyss was a masked monster that turned into a "lawyer", Joseph Parks.
So Tony was probably high and got it backwards...
Abyss had a half mask. Those puppydog eyes gave him a human edge even with the monster gimmick. Mortos is literally a giant El Torito.
Tony "gets it backwards" from several of the boys.
Beast Mortos a lawyer that’s awesome. Still reminds me of a missing member from GWAR. Imagine this guy shows up to court still in his gear. Growling😂
AEW took alot of talent away from TNA when it started. Ethan Page, Santana, Ortiz, Lucha Bros, Allie, Blade and Diamante. Later it was Kiera Hogan, Madison Rayne, Deonna Purrazzo and Taya Valkyrie.
@@vonVile And proceeded to do nothing with them. Good for the talent, can't blame any of them for taking the deal to get more money to sit in catering, but it's not good for the industry overall.
I’m just pleased to know he’s doing well after being spiked with all that blank.
Spiked with what? Everything on search engine comes up abyss spike tv
He was drugged with the blank in dr Stevie’s office
@@petebagwell6666Spiked with blank from the local medical facility, obviously. Come on bro, it's in the script, bro
@@palecurve the blank? BTW are you vince russo?
Abyss and the whole Hogan's HoF ring was pure nonsense to me.
That was gold and awesome to boot
They turned Abyss into Eugene with that angle lol
Abyss became a total moron in that storyline. They made him a Face by making him a fan boy of Hogan.
This was one of those gimmicks that it felt a lot like Mankind because he was acting so desperate for the approval of others just like mankind! You're supposed to be a goddamn monster! Why the hell would you need the approval of dried up old blonde prune from the 80s?
Oh my goodness. That nonsense. Looking at that ring like it was 80 carat diamond
Abyss stuff with Decay and coming out to Mansons music was pretty cool back then
Decay was good. Prime rosemary before her knee surgeries was very good
Top 5 workers in TNA History. Tremendous chemistry with everyone. Made every gimmick match enjoyable. Even with garbage matches, nobody sold a thumbtacks bump like Abyss.
Really? Top 5 over Styles, Joe, Angle, Sabin and Christopher Daniels?
@@wilcee238Styles, Joe, Angle, Daniels, Abyss for me. MCMG is my all time fav tag team but Abyss had a better singles resume than Sabin.
I don’t agree but I can respect your opinion.
He was a good worker but not top 5.
Abyss or Kane
My introduction to Abyss was his Falls Count Anywhere match with Jeff Hardy. Black Hole Slam onto the thumbtacks 😅
One of my all time favorite characters. I wish he would've won more of his matches. Peak TNA was something special
He was worshipping all the people in the skies 😂😅😂😂😂😂😂 I love this podcast
Abyss had a banger of a theme in TNA. Very very very Kane/Mankind hybrid-ish.
Down in the catacombs by Dale Oliver is such a banger lol I had no idea that the song was recycled for other wrestlers before abyss.
Abyss was awesome in TNA his Pairing with James Mitchell was the reason why I started watching TNA in 2005 when they first started on spike TV great seeing him producing in WWE especially that incredible CM punk vs drew McIntyre Hell in a cell match at bad blood in october last year.
Lockdown '05 match against AJ should be shown in every wrestling school on how you do a David vs Goliath match. I love that match even more than the unbreakable triple threat.
@Pricklypeen that match was incredible 20-years later but having a PPV that every match is a cage match is pretty stupid don't you think maybe that inspired WWE to create the Hell in a cell PPV glad we rarely see the cell in the current administration Abyss's entrance is iconic also his entrance theme was used by monty brown and the road warriors I believe.
@@benespinosa6725 Run-on. Consider revising.
@@Pricklypeenwe don’t watch videos at the academy…. That’s on or our time. If I asked coach to but on a video I’d get my ass worked left and right.
7:38 "Descend to Heaven to win".
"Ascend."
"No, this was a descent."
South of Heaven lol
Abyss is one of the better big man wrestlers of all time. Also is a great person in real life. Hope his brother Joseph is doing well these days
I would say in 2005-06 there was no better big man in wrestling
Only Corny could answer a question about Abyss and transition into a story of shitting on Vince Russo 😂
In 05/06 when Shit Stain didn't have his hands on him Abyss was incredible. Him and James Mitchell paired perfectly and he looked like a credible threat to any babyface. Then when Shit Stain came back Abyss immediately went downhill and never recovered
Mitchell has said that basically all the garbage wrestling BS was on Abyss, though. Said Abyss Wil E Coyote'd himself by always pulling out tacks, glass, whatever then winding up going into it himself.
@@mattb.2740But who was the 'genius' head writer when Abyss started ripping himself apart?
False. Abyss peaked during his feud with Sting and storyline with James Mitchell in 2007. He even got an NWA World title reign out of it. That was all under Russo.
@@quentinkaasa47 he had the belt for a month and won it via DQ
His theme was badass
"Descends to heaven"
"Ascent, not Descent"
"No, this was a decent."
I absolutely loved Abyss growing up watching TNA. Even his later TNA 2016 work with Rosemary and Crazy Steve as the Decay was so damn awesome.
Would’ve been a natural opponent for Taker
Apparently WWE were courting him to work for them. He would have worked with The Undertaker at WrestleMania 23 (if Vince hadn't changed his mind that is). He got cold feet and never worked for the WWE because he couldn't handle the pressure.
It sucks but probably best he didn't go to the WWE, since they pivoted to a hard PG direction by 2009 anyway.
@@quentinkaasa47Nah he should've went to WWE and made a lot of money. But he was being loyal which is respectable
The Abyss will go down in history as the most Underrated Big Man/ Misused Monster of all time. He was the Perfect combination of Mankind and Kane, yet he was his own persona.
No. Absolutely not. But nice try , kid
@@TheUnDisputedDoc.G The Abyss was a great classic 80s scifi movie.
Abyss the wrestler was an abysmal amalgamation of a Mick Foley/Kane cosplay gone wrong with in ring skill of a late 90s era Hogan and charisma of a wet mop. Everything abojt him was a dollar store ripoff of someone else.
Misused no matter how one slices it. Didn't he lose a title belt immediately after winning it or something?
I always liked his theme music and he worked better than most guys his size.
The angle where Hulkkk's hof ring gave him super, or should I say "Mega" powers almost gave me a traumatic brain injury.
That was awesome
By FAR not the worst tna angle he was involved in.
Legit some of the worst garbage I’ve ever seen lmao.
@@skylite21 not even. That month. I give that to that weird ending with AJ and Angle were they cosplayed the Montreal screwjob. Almost beat for beat with Angle spitting on Hogan.
@@impulse_xs dr. Stevie bullshit is way worse than hof ring angle.
I love the artwork, getting turn of the century Penn and Teller vibes
Character had potential but mostly worked under people who couldn't utilize it properly. Ended up largely "Kane but with even dumber angles with no high points."
He Belonged. Not talking Red Rooster here 😂😂😂 Did Jim manage him? 😅
Abyss is probably my favorite TNA character of all time
He was awesome, perc angle is hard too be tho. I liked jay lethal sting all them
I knew Dixie was full of shit on her YouShoot when she said those “Fire Russo” chants were about other bookers. Bullshit. You can smell a Russo match a mile away.
Who booked the electric cage match...?
The opening notes of the Abyss theme are legendary. You knew you were about to watch a car crash.
One abyss moment I legit loved when he spoke for the first time.
“Tomko. Styles. Three days. CLICK DOOMSDAY!”
"well, no this was a descent." 😂😂😂
I ref'd Chris for a coupe years before TNA started. I could tell he would do well long term as he was 100% committed to wrestling before he was making any money. His work ethic was maniacal.
AJ Styles had a good few matches with him in TNA but that's maybe just because it's AJ Styles.
Exactly lol
Their cage match was amazing
Speaking of the “Fire Russo” chants, the latest episode of AEW Dynamite was so bad we may start hearing “Hire Russo” chants.
No way
I need this!
Does he even work there? I'm out of the loop.
Video about abyss, comments about aew lmao, this wilcee kid is beyond saving now LMAO
@scentofslaughter8854 Actually you little Buckaroo I thought of AEW because their ratings are in an Abyss
Now get lost.
His runs with Father James Mitchell as his Paul Bearer were probably my favorite, I can’t recall how long they ran together or if it was off and on but still
Not sure if this has already been mentioned in the comments. But Abyss has gone on record to say he did have an offer from WWE during his TNA run. To have a long fued with Taker, which would have eventually led to a Wrestlemania blow off. He turned it down because of the trust and security he had with TNA. He felt after his programme with Taker, WWE would have just tossed him aside.
I remember a good match between him and AJ Styles, possibly one of a a fair few between them but still
"Im looking for my brother Chris. You know, Abyss."
I remember Dixie talking about the “Fire Russo” chants lmao. She didn’t say it was Dutch, she said “for all you know, it was Dutch’s idea”, but even better was when she said “If I hear fire Russo in my building one more time, I’m going to fire someone else.”
Abyss was the Kane for TNA his first 4 years we’re honestly amazing looking back. He was legit 6’6 or 6’7 but watch him hit the ropes, watch him sell, watch his demented character work. He was so intriguing early on
Cornette doesn't mention this but Abyss started his career in Puerto Rico before he reached TNA. Was one of my favorite heels growing up.
That's a pretty cool fact. I didnt know.
@@TheVoidofNothing11 Yeah he regularly wrestled against Ricky Banderas/El Mesias/Judas Mesias. That carried over into TNA.
Abyss was my favorite growing up watching TNA. I remember getting his mask at Toys R Us and cherished that thing 😂 glad he finally made it to WWE but man I wish he could have had some of the dream matches in the ring!
Abyss is 1 of TNA’s pillars for sure!
The layering of Brian asking “He’s with WWE I believe does that surprise you?” at the same time Jim yells out “HE STABBED STING IN THE FACE” is hilarious.
There was a company in England called 1PW, and he was the main heel for years, with Corey Graves as his manager/tag partner....
Finally someone else who remembers it. Did you watch TWC 427?
@troykennedy1087 - I've never heard of it, pal, any good?
@@foxwhittaker4367 It was around in 2003/2004 on SKY channel 427. It had TNA, ROH, FWA, 1PW, LDN Capital, Irish Whip, NJPW and loads of others. I just assumed because you'd heard of 1PW you'd watched The Wrestling Channel haha.
@troykennedy1087 - Oh wow, that's a quality channel, love it
I used to go to 1PW shows, as they were in my home town
@@foxwhittaker4367 It was amazing, It's how I got into TNA and ROH so early. Didn't AJ Styles appear on a few of the 1PW shows to?
Good worker. Creative mind. Always seemed to take care of others and put himself in harms way first in his dangerous matches
He charged me £20 for a photo and signature during the very first 1PW event here in England, UK. Thought it was a bit expensive but hey ho was a pleasure to meet him.
People be asking double that or more nowadays, consider yours a bargain
Abyss was a beast in 1PW! The brawls with Ulf Herman and Steve Corino, throwing poor Spud around for Corey Graves. Good times.
That's actually pretty cheap compared to the prices a lot of other wrestlers charge for their autographs. (That's about $20.83 for my fellow dumbass Americans lol) Some of the boys/girls charge their fans hundreds of dollars/Euros for autographs. 😂
Mark Hamill charges fans $700, so wrestler charges are cheap by comparison.
I met Abyss after a OTT wrestling event in Dublin, Ireland and he was a gentleman. Couldn't have been nicer. A big chap I must say 💪🏻
Speaking of blading his arm Didn't Jim do the same thing with Sullivan and katamura or whatever his name was in smokey
Jim's talked about this before. He didn't know that was going to happen. Needless to say, Kanamura was never brought back after that.
@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact oh ik but he knew it was gonna happen booked him to literally only do that spot in recommendation of Sullivan he just went a bit overboard
@@dinasty856 yeah, Jim was thinking it'd be a simple blade job. Put it on TV to help advance the feud between Sullivan and Brian Lee. I don't think it was shown on the TV. If it did, it was either heavily edited or censored.
Abyss was such a badass wrestler. He had a great look and played his role so brilliantly. When I first started watching TNA in the mid 2000s, he was one of my favorites. I'm happy to see he's doing well for himself in WWE now.
Abyss shouldve been trying to break
Undertaker's WrestleMania streak in the late 2000s.
A Cena or Mysterio rivalry wouldve been great.
The Black Hole Slam is one of my favorite wrestling moves because of Abyss. I remember seeing a little bit of him pre-Abyss era in NWA Wildside briefly and when he became Abyss in TNA, I thought he was awesome.
It is a cool ass maneuver!! It's the spinning bubba/ Bossman Slam!!
No mention of Abyss' girl, Janice?
I loved abyss,he should've taken it to the WWE.
Vince would've beaten that character in a worse way than he did to Finn Balor's demon
I was a huge fan of Abyss back in the day but even I got tired of all the constant ultra violent hardcore matches. Also, Abyss was constantly punked out and lost so many big matches that it was hard to believe him as a credible threat after a while. He went from an unstoppable monster to a sideshow.
'The Idiot' Abyss
With another bag of dumbtacks
How is he gifted? Lol
Abyss could have been something much more than he became for TNA.
His career was marked with a lot of stupid angles and matches.
But he was an extraordinary character that showed he should have been on the level of Sting, Angle, AJ Styles and even Austin Aries in the 2010's
You know who I'm really interested in Jim talking about? The Amazing Red. Way too small to be wrestling but insanely talented in the ring. And Jim had to be around him for some of his TNA run.
Never heard of him
@@yoholmes273okay so you just watch 70’s and 80’s southern wrestling only and have a weird Fetish for it because how else are you this into Cornette and this wrestling world but missing out Amazing Red
The Abyss gimmick was definitely a great gimmick in TNA for a couple of things. One he's large, two he's not only large, the competition are a lot smaller, so he definitely looked like a monster vs others, three he barely talked in the early days and lastly, he's doing big man moves that makes sense..
I've heard thru other podcasts that Abyss is being credited with a lot of the Punk stuff on WWE TV which is a testament to his creativity
I only started watching TNA in 2012, so unfortunately, I didn't get the full Abyss Experience. By that time, he was Joseph Park, and I was told that Abyss was his brother.
Ahh man that’s a shame Abyss was legit terrifying in the early years of TNA when James Mitchell managed him. He never talked but used to scream and wail like a psycho Terry Funk in the 80s. He really sounded like actual asylum patient.
Extremely cool theme music
Come to think of it, I would love to hear Jim and Brian recount and discuss the history of Monster Heels.
I remember watching him as a kid. Dream match was him vs Kane or Taker. Was that rumor ever confirmed of him being offered a deal to leave TNA to face Taker @ WM?
Abyss should of took that Mania match with Taker
The fact that Cornette had to be in the building for a match that ended with a wrestler ascending to heaven not only twice in his life, but over a decade apart 😂
early abyss was awesome. later on they didn't know what to do with him and it went straight downhill.
i also never had the feeling he was like mankind. abyss was a totally different character and person.
Jim is so nice when he speaks about the wrestlers he treated but so mean with guys he doesn't even know in real life and probably he'll praise too. No need to disrespect them in a personal way.
I met abyss during Jay lethals black machismo era and he was the nicest dude ever. The way he lit up when I said I was a fan of Raven. He was the only person I've met who was as much of a Raven fan as me lol
My favorite match of all time is Aj styles vs. Abyss in a 6 sides of steel match what a classic!!!
If The Abyss went to WWE he would've been pushed to the moon. Facts
Abyss Styles Daniels Joe era was very good
Abyss also used to destroy Spike and that was awesome
The Abyss guy's best work was always after Hogan and Bischoff ruined... I mean changed TNA wrestling 🤥🤡.
Judas Mucias and abyss was crazy for me. I liked their gimmicks. They had some cool shit but man they went overboard .
Abyss was one of the top tna guys. Legend.
He's also part of the most wild spot I've ever seen when perc angle sentoned off the stage onto him
Abyss was such ahead of his time a perfect mixture between Kane & Mankind the fact Vince wanted to bring him in and have him end Undertaker’s streak explains what Vince saw in him who knows what he would’ve been if he did come to WWE but he’s a great producer.
Abyss in WWE with Taker, Kane, and Foley wouldve been awesome.
Wait, why is the episode getting censored?
I liked Abyss. He was one of my favorites back in the day. But then they did that Undertaker, Kane, and Paul Bearer angle and it all went downhill from there. And don't get me started with that Eugene gimmick they gave him.
We were open to the Mesias and Abyss feud but something just didn't click. This was the time when Russo came back and destroyed what was a badass wrestling product in 05/06.
I remember watching the glass cutting on TV. You could tell weeks later he had really been cutting himself cuz you could see the cuts through his tattoos on his arms
the fire Russo chants about 5 minutes in of that last rites match for those of you who can find it.
....which was a Jeff Jarrett-booked match.
Abyss had some excellent matches in TNA and I would have loved to see him wrestle Kane, Undertaker, Big Show, etc.
Abyss has been producing banger ass matches in the WWE majority of Gunther’s matches I believe his latest produced match was the Punk Vs Drew HIAC match
Let's be honest it was Jim who started the "fire Russo" chant
Didn’t he produce the Punk vs Rollins Hell in a Cell match?
Every time i saw him i felt exactly like i was watching the kane and mankind tag team from 98
abyss seems like a genuinely good dude who really loves wrestling. I'm glad he's still doing well for himself in the industry.
Abyss really could of been the next coming of Kane but TNA absolutely shit the bed with him in the later years
I enjoyed the monsters ball
It was different at the time
A sermon before a ppv. Behind the scenes of TNA always fascinates me. It just seems a million times different than it would be at WWE or AEW.
Abyss felt like if Mankind and Kane had a baby.
Abyss and Janice. ❤