the only part i really loved about this game was the vault dweller really did feel like talking to the old man version of a average fallout protagonist to the point i hope his old man self is canon if they ever decide to have a recording from him in any further games
Honestly I'd have expected metal to get in as like, raider or some minor counterculture faction somewhere music. But yeah using shred metal for the main theme of a franchise that doesn't go much harder than Frank Sinatra, well we got a problem.
@@zoidster2099 Halloween 07 was fine. He explicitly set out to make something different with Carpenter's blessing and agreement on making the remake his own. and TBF to Zombie he didn't even want to make a sequel and half-assed it deliberately due to studio pressure.
This game always felt like a product of desperation and cocaine. I’m not being goofy or edgy I mean like this game seems like a game someone who does a lot of coke would think would be awesome
Truth? They were hemorrhaging money at this point. There are other documentaries about it on TH-cam (I’d love to see tks touch on it at some point) but this was their desperation Hail Mary. Right after this they started van buren. And sold off the license like 2 years later. You know the rest.
@@IAmAnEvilTaco damn to think if they only toughed it out and started on van buren first to think how diffrent things would be but hey at least most of them are back together now with both inexile and obsidan under microsoft both containg most of the orginal fallout creator studio staff they even have the orginal fallout writer as the new head of obsidan. and sense microsoft bought zenimax and all there ip including bethsda those two might get the chance to make the fallout game they always dreamed off together.
@@goldenfiberwheat238 After Wastelanders I kinda think 76 is actually better than 4. Both in being a better role playing game for the story and in replay value. But yeah 76 is still a heap of trash.
@@knavenformed9436 The "beauty" of FO4 is that you can mod it a lot, though. Don't like the main quest? There are mods for that. Do you want the traditional skill systems back? Mods. Don't like the look of it? Mods. I could go on. When we talk about how much we do or do not enjoy FO4, what we really talk about is how much we enjoy using the game engine and assets for our own ends.
@@MrVeps1 Mods are not an excuse to make a game good, sure you can mod it but that doesn't change the fact that the actual product is bad. And the more you feel the need to mod a game the worse it is.
@@knavenformed9436 lol exactly. all these people that say fo4 is good with mods like we know that and I'm sure most of us have modded it. And Yes it's fun. But that isn't the point. it shouldn't be that way. Fallout has lost its identity and the fact that no one sees anything wrong is shocking. They just wanna mod mod mod. Why not call Bethesda out on their bs instead to change things and stop buying into their nonsense.
I have finally realized the only thing that Fallout:New Vegas is missing. Balls energy drink! I will never play FNV again because of this fact. Thanks Mantis for showing me the best Fallout game! Now I’m going to go enjoy a balls energy drink!
honestly the one big thing i miss from van buren that totally could have been in new vegas was the reservation that whole place its quests and characters sounded amazing a perfect fallout experince. i also like the idea of the born ghouls which would really flesh out ghoulification in a way that nothing but fallout 3 baby mary and fallout 4s chosen of atom and have done as they showed there is a certain gene or mutation that effiectivly makes one a living ghoul {the ghoulish perk the player can also gain} trading immortality and threats of going feral for a still human apperance and easy ability to have offspring.
I sure do love the taste of Balls. Evening, Noon and night. My kids love Balls too, all though they tend to bounce off the walls at the sight of Balls now. Go find some Balls todayyy. Remember, where there's gas. There's Balls.
I would love to see true FPS in Fallout franchise. Not Far Cry-esque open world FPS, but something like W40k: Space Marine. Maybe with BoS or even Enclave. I would be so happy.
You should play different characters in different stages of the game. Start with Caesar leading the Blackfoots to victory until he rebrands the Tribes as the Legion. Continue as Lanius, either as a slave fighting in the pits until he is recruited, like Lucius claimed, or as a Tribal, first fighting the Legion, then fighting for them. Play with Vulpes a little, doing some stealth missions and whatnot, starting with him taking the tribal chief hostage, and end with Joshua Graham fighting the NCR, culminating with the Battle at Hoover Dam.
I'll be honest, this was my first fallout game, but I had fun, because I've played lots of bad games. Plus if you haven't played the others, the world is still interesting. XD Edit: Ok I wrote that before I saw the clip of the supermutant peeing, I take the interesting world part back.
@Esseks I always figured the talk in 1 meant that they had no shlongs, but if they do have one, perhaps they just shoot blanks? Either way whatever is going on in that scene is fucking disgusting. XD (Also, I would figure if they know about human culture yeah they probably would use thier *tallywhackers* to dominate over smaller mutants. I mean most supermutants are essentially barberians when it comes to mannerisms, so if it works, it works.)
To be fair, obtaining a PC with certain specs can be a nightmare to deal with when you buy video-games for PC. Imagine buying a Fallout game, and it won’t play on it…
Just because a game isn't very good doesn't mean you can't still enjoy playing it. That's how I feel about Fallout 3; the writing is really bad, nothing makes sense, etc. but I can still enjoy wandering around, killing things and collecting items, and messing around.
Have you ever noticed that the fallout games seem to follow a cyclical pattern of how good they are in two sets? fallout 1:good Fallout 2:very good Fallout bos tactics: ok Fallout bos: not that good Fallout 3: good Fallout nv: very good Fallout 4: ok Fallout 76: not that good This is subjective for sure but maybe if they end up making a few more, in two fallouts we will have one that’s really good again. Edit: this is not supposed to be a very strict ranking system, I am not comparing any of them to each other besides how I and a lot of fans seem to feel about them as games.
What's funny and sad is that Brotherhood of Steel is still more faithful to the lore then Fallout 76 is where it seems like a dimensional rift opened in that game where everything from all timelines and locations converged in Appalachia. Automated flying drones? NCR Ranger armor and nukes going off every 10 mins? Yea, sure, why not? Brotherhood being in the region to help the locals out of the goodness of their hearts? of course!
I'll agree with the BOS in Fallout 76 not being very true to lore, but they weren't "Helping the locals out of the goodness of their hearts". Their goal was first and foremost to collect pre-war technology, the reason they were fighting the Scorched was because it was a threat to everyone, including them, especially if it escaped Appalachia. It was even made clear that they were bullying the Responders out of supplies.
This was pretty interesting to see this piece of Fallout history. I was too young to even know what Fallout was at the time. I have a feeling even child me would find this game extremely corny and trying to be cool.
Bethesda may not have the greatest track record from a story standpoint, but they undoubtedly nailed the feel of what Fallout should be. If BOS was Interplay's last Fallout game, I shudder to think about what would've happened had they kept the IP.
I'm usually the black sheep in any herd, and yet even I look down on this game. I love you for the in-depth analysis but I hate you for reminding me this exists.
On a side note, Baldur's Gate : Dark Alliance 1 has been developped by Chris Avellone, and BG:DA 2 by Black Island, with all the Fallout 1 & 2 developpers that didn't left for Obsidian. Also both games are fully playable on coop and have a beautiful soundtrack by Jeremy Soule.
>You give The Vault Dweller a Vault 13 flask. >You get a Vault 13 flask from Doc Mitchell, of whom, also resided from Vault 13. Doc Mitchell is the Vault Dweller if you apply that tiny tidbit of canonical reference from Brotherhood of Steel into the rest of the lore.
Honestly man, remember last year when I used to be a total shitpost? I feel like your content helped me grow out of that lol “BREAKING: TKS MANTIS FALLOUT GURU CURES DEGENERACY!”
Watching that super mutant piss scene was one of the happiest moments of my life. The way absolutely blows radioactive piss while standing feet away frim the UNOPENED toilet just lifts my spirits in ways no other game can.
at 15:03 that's a British style railcar, you can tell by the buffers and coupling mechanism. is there a lore reason for this or is it just a weird choice by the visual design people? also F for armpit
I personally like the idea of the BOS sending a bunch of knights and paladins (including Rhombus) to Texas only for all of them to die and any recruits they have disappeared into the Texan wastes.
Absolutely appreciate this retrospective. I've always been really curious about this game. A TPS action based game in the fallout world could be really cool. Shame we got this haha
I can’t deny how awesome that intro is, the industrial sounding metal and Tony Jay narrating make the intro come off as bleak, terrifying and machine like. I think it actually fits the brotherhood and Super Mutants pretty well but understand why it’s not for everyone.
I remember this being my first entry into the series, unknowing to the other games, my mother surprised me with a Christmas gift after a rough Financial year. I played it a few hours but never fully got into it. Later I had a classmate who told me about Oblivion with guns and let me borrow Fallout 3. That's when I realized the connection.
To be fair this game was made by a company reaching dangerous levels of bankrupcy. For context, Interplay Entertainment was goin' down pretty fast and they scrambled trying to save themselves. Black Isle (a CRPG division) did its best to help and managed to give Interplay 2 or 3 more years of life, but by the early 2000's the ship was sinking either way. So they jumped into the console market with 2 D&D based games and 1 on Fallout, the problem was for them it was too little to late and in the end Interplay ended up closing its doors. In contrast Bethesda Softworks was going into bankrupcy almost at the same time as Interplay but they saved themselves with the launch of Morrowind on PC and Consoles, however that game lacked 60%+ of the original content and is still to this day bugged as hell, however the overall presentation of the product gave them enough cash to survive, specially with the XBOX version wich was a top seller at the time. Interplay on the other hand was a fully PC developer and by the time they jumped the console market they didn't knew how to do it properly or like I said it was too late for them. The point is, Brotherhood of Steel is not a pretty good game but not at all one of the worst (there are way more bad games in the PS2 line), but for a Fallout it was indeed the cheapest one ever made... but that torch got passed very recently when Bethesda released Fallout 76. In al fairness Fallout 76 is indeed the Black Sheep of the franchise, mostly because to this day still is not only an overpriced scam but also contains some of the worst anti-consumer policies in the market and that is something that Brotherhood of Steel, even with all it's flaws, don't have and never will. So for that, the PS2 spin-off is for all intents and porpuses way more consumer friendly than the last game released by Bethesda.
No matter what other problems the games face, Fallout always manages to get some CRACKED ass voice talent. Even this game got Tony Jay for the narration and mutants.
Fallout Brotherhood Of Steel is semi available on the internet (Surprisingly New Condition) And at a decent cost, i had to grab it a few years back. I actually liked it for the most part.. Especially for a PS2 game
I started this game again after so long, using an emulator did not help the already hard to enjoy but very hilarious BOS. If nothing else fantastic can be said about it, it has my favorite main menu out of all the games
That mutant peeing was literally family guy humor. Also, that intro is very misleading. Makes it seem like the brotherhood didn’t exist until the time of fallout 1 and they defeated the master despite the fact that they barely do anything in that game. Also also, why is there mutants here? Are they mutants who fled new California? Or where they created in that vault?
Atis’s horde are meant to be a remnant of the Master’s army that fled east after his death. Basically a carbon copy of the Gammorin Mutant army from Tactics.
This game was my introduction to the series and the first Fallout game I beat. In fact I beat this game twice. It'll always have a special place in my heart.
I still have this game for my PS2 and absolutely still love it. My only complaint was Bawls being the currency as Bawls was barely available even back then
At the beginning I was like oh dear god how did they butcher this series and by the time the mutant exploded into a goo monster I just accepted it threw the lore out the window. Also with the pissing mutant I thought for a sec this was aimed for little kids with that scene
This game was my first introduction into the Fallout universe. I loved it, but I think it was because of a few factors. 1) I hadn't played Fallout 1 or 2 beforehand. 2) I just played the crap out of Dark Alliance and wanted more of the same. And probably most importantly 3) I didn't know Bawls was a real world product at the time so I just assumed it was part of the cheese that is this franchise. I'll tell ya though it sure got into my veins. I was so excited when Fallout 3 was announced because I enjoyed this one.
Aw HELL yes. I love videos like this -- I usually run them when I'm waiting on FO4 loading screens, or settlement building. It's about as much lore as you can get in that game. Jokes aside, looking forward to this one. Was right about to boot up and pack a bowl, what timing...
@@primuspilusfellatus6501 Absolutely lmao. I remember highschool, rolling shitty joints and sneaking them outside. Coming back in, playing NV on 360. The fuckin days
That Metal song that played when the bomb went off... The first time I heard it was when someone edited arms and guitars onto some really bouncy parrots, lmao.
Interesting review and thanks for history and perspective of lore of Fallout. However, there is some room for disagreement and creativity in plausible lore. Although the details of "execution" for this version of Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout was quite poor to lackluster, not all of the elements were all bad. For example, the location of Texas is interesting and the aspect of BALLS as a drink, was not necessarily all bad, especially if they had more mentions of Nuka-Cola at least trying to be a competitor of drinks by various artifacts. Since, a secondary competitor like BALLS in the Fallout Universe can make the products seem more immersive than just having only Nuka-Cola. Similarly, this version gives some explanation to one backstory about the Brotherhood of Steel, and to a slight different version of Death Claws and variants of Mutants. But with creativity in plausible lore requires more details in overall writing to back up the new lore, new twist, or plausibility angle, and to give the back stories, and overall to give a closure of loops. In other words, lazy writing, or sloppy execution can be costly to how the game / sim will be received by the core fans of a series, the new fans, and the public. .
@@TwoBs Bethesda invented the 50s thing with 3. Before that, it was implied that it's just so far into the future that they don't remember almost anything about the old world.
Games on the snowblind engine o just can't dislike. Champions of norrath, baldurs gate dark alliance were my childhood and that nostalgia will always make me enjoy even brotherhood of steel lol.
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Legion be like: come on men! Those white flags are no match for our machetes!!!!
the only part i really loved about this game was the vault dweller really did feel like talking to the old man version of a average fallout protagonist to the point i hope his old man self is canon if they ever decide to have a recording from him in any further games
Hey bro do you know the song that played during the ending sequence it sounded sick
Hey mantis how do I download that game just curious?
This game feels like a 13 year old boy watched a fallout speed run and combined that knowledge with underdressed women and middle school humor
@James at least that's one thing its got on bethsda
@@brendanpelkey120 fallout 4 mods would like to have a word
@@elderflame494 true tho its annoying they weren't there from the start.
Yes thats it, you summed it all up
ew fictional tits
Every fallout game opening: General feeling of hopelessness and regret of humanity’s past mistakes
Fallout brotherhood of steel: *HEAVY METAL*
🤘
I dunno Fallout 76’s opening speech is hopeful. It’s also one of my favorites. One of the few good things about that game.
@@awesomechainsaw yeah i havent seen it
*HEAVY METAL INTENSIFIES*
Honestly I'd have expected metal to get in as like, raider or some minor counterculture faction somewhere music. But yeah using shred metal for the main theme of a franchise that doesn't go much harder than Frank Sinatra, well we got a problem.
That opening is 100% BoS propaganda. It was the Vault Dweller who stopped the Master's Army.
I believe it’s implied that a Portion of the Master’s Army went to Texas, and it was the brotherhood who stopped them here
I mean, technically it's correct
@@memebrowser_6249 O h
what tf is Bos
@@sir.2015 Brotherhood of Steel
They were so cranked on Bawls when they made this game, they couldn't even remember to include "War never changes" in the intro cinematic.
Bawls. Not even once.
GREASE
tbh bawls is delicious
@@TKsMantis war has changed
@@ion_force it is, it's too bad the marketing was so cringy it never caught on
This basically if Rob zombie directed fallout
Ha! Yeah
At least rob zombie makes good shit if he made the property
@@friendlypotato7950 Rob Zombie definitely makes shit. I'd argue if it's any good.
@@mixererunio1757 he can make good original property's now takes on other people's property not so much aka halloween
@@zoidster2099 Halloween 07 was fine. He explicitly set out to make something different with Carpenter's blessing and agreement on making the remake his own. and TBF to Zombie he didn't even want to make a sequel and half-assed it deliberately due to studio pressure.
Brotherhood Of Steel be like; "It's not a phase, ma!"
Wheres my black nail polish!?
@@TKsMantis I tried so hard and got so far......... In the end, it doesn't even matter!!! XD
This game always felt like a product of desperation and cocaine. I’m not being goofy or edgy I mean like this game seems like a game someone who does a lot of coke would think would be awesome
Big facts!
Truth? They were hemorrhaging money at this point. There are other documentaries about it on TH-cam (I’d love to see tks touch on it at some point) but this was their desperation Hail Mary. Right after this they started van buren. And sold off the license like 2 years later. You know the rest.
@@IAmAnEvilTaco damn to think if they only toughed it out and started on van buren first to think how diffrent things would be but hey at least most of them are back together now with both inexile and obsidan under microsoft both containg most of the orginal fallout creator studio staff they even have the orginal fallout writer as the new head of obsidan.
and sense microsoft bought zenimax and all there ip including bethsda those two might get the chance to make the fallout game they always dreamed off together.
Coke is for partying trying to play any video game while high on cocaine is painful
@@powderedbuns8251 yeah weed is a better anology because the must mundane things become amazing to look at with the dank lettuce
I remember Only getting through this game after finding the secret meat bazooka in the ghoul town level.
MEAT CANNON
Such devilish innuendos!
@@TKsMantis love you tk
Meat Bazooka ?
You mean the thompson SMG at the airfield ?
Theres secrets for this game?
I can see why this game wasn’t one of the free games I was given for owning fallout 76.
Bethesda doesn’t want you to know there’s a fallout game worse than 76
@@goldenfiberwheat238
After Wastelanders I kinda think 76 is actually better than 4.
Both in being a better role playing game for the story and in replay value.
But yeah 76 is still a heap of trash.
@@knavenformed9436 The "beauty" of FO4 is that you can mod it a lot, though. Don't like the main quest? There are mods for that. Do you want the traditional skill systems back? Mods. Don't like the look of it? Mods. I could go on. When we talk about how much we do or do not enjoy FO4, what we really talk about is how much we enjoy using the game engine and assets for our own ends.
@@MrVeps1
Mods are not an excuse to make a game good, sure you can mod it but that doesn't change the fact that the actual product is bad.
And the more you feel the need to mod a game the worse it is.
@@knavenformed9436 lol exactly. all these people that say fo4 is good with mods like we know that and I'm sure most of us have modded it. And Yes it's fun. But that isn't the point. it shouldn't be that way. Fallout has lost its identity and the fact that no one sees anything wrong is shocking. They just wanna mod mod mod. Why not call Bethesda out on their bs instead to change things and stop buying into their nonsense.
I have finally realized the only thing that Fallout:New Vegas is missing. Balls energy drink! I will never play FNV again because of this fact. Thanks Mantis for showing me the best Fallout game! Now I’m going to go enjoy a balls energy drink!
I now want to see a mod to feature Balls Energy Drinks in New Vegas.
honestly the one big thing i miss from van buren that totally could have been in new vegas was the reservation that whole place its quests and characters sounded amazing a perfect fallout experince.
i also like the idea of the born ghouls which would really flesh out ghoulification in a way that nothing but fallout 3 baby mary and fallout 4s chosen of atom and have done as they showed there is a certain gene or mutation that effiectivly makes one a living ghoul {the ghoulish perk the player can also gain} trading immortality and threats of going feral for a still human apperance and easy ability to have offspring.
I sure do love the taste of Balls.
Evening, Noon and night.
My kids love Balls too, all though they tend to bounce off the walls at the sight of Balls now.
Go find some Balls todayyy.
Remember, where there's gas. There's Balls.
That supermutants piss was like a goddamn firehose
F for Armpit.
Edit:
I'd say Rhombus too, but uhhh... Brotherhood's a dead end.
Understandable.
I was gonna make a joke about a Fallout battle royale, but I decided to delete it once I remembered such a thing actually exists. *sigh*
It’s the best part about 76 somehow.
Sigh
@@IAmAnEvilTaco lol yeah but that's like saying the best part of having cancer is the hospital food. It's still shit
@@dylh2967 HA. Ok, you got me. The game sucks any way you slice it, this is like the kernel of corn in the turd. Technically, it's food.
I mean their gonna take it down since players have been less interested in it
BoS got me into the series and as a result, my expectations were kind of low which left me pleasantly surprised in the long run.
same
“It was for sure, the black sheep, of the fallout family.”
HE SAID THE THING! HE SAID THE THING!!
I really want a Fallout Tactics 2, maybe a Legion one where we wage conquest over the 88 tribes... this intro in BOS is kinda badass.
Spin offs are great!
@@TKsMantis imagine it having a tower defense mode in Denver vs Robo Dogs.
@@TheStrayHALOMAN lmao fallout bloons TD
I would love to see true FPS in Fallout franchise. Not Far Cry-esque open world FPS, but something like W40k: Space Marine. Maybe with BoS or even Enclave. I would be so happy.
You should play different characters in different stages of the game. Start with Caesar leading the Blackfoots to victory until he rebrands the Tribes as the Legion. Continue as Lanius, either as a slave fighting in the pits until he is recruited, like Lucius claimed, or as a Tribal, first fighting the Legion, then fighting for them. Play with Vulpes a little, doing some stealth missions and whatnot, starting with him taking the tribal chief hostage, and end with Joshua Graham fighting the NCR, culminating with the Battle at Hoover Dam.
May I confess that if nothing else, I like the concept art of this game and Tony Jay’s narration?
The narration is sick honestly. Love to see more
I feel bad for the people who’s first Fallout game was BOS lmao
I'll be honest, this was my first fallout game, but I had fun, because I've played lots of bad games. Plus if you haven't played the others, the world is still interesting. XD
Edit: Ok I wrote that before I saw the clip of the supermutant peeing, I take the interesting world part back.
@Esseks I always figured the talk in 1 meant that they had no shlongs, but if they do have one, perhaps they just shoot blanks? Either way whatever is going on in that scene is fucking disgusting. XD (Also, I would figure if they know about human culture yeah they probably would use thier *tallywhackers* to dominate over smaller mutants. I mean most supermutants are essentially barberians when it comes to mannerisms, so if it works, it works.)
To be fair, obtaining a PC with certain specs can be a nightmare to deal with when you buy video-games for PC.
Imagine buying a Fallout game, and it won’t play on it…
I kinda liked this game.. it wasn't very good but I still had a lot of fun with it.. plus it had couch co-op
Nothing wrong with that.
Just because a game isn't very good doesn't mean you can't still enjoy playing it. That's how I feel about Fallout 3; the writing is really bad, nothing makes sense, etc. but I can still enjoy wandering around, killing things and collecting items, and messing around.
Fallout 3 makes complete sense except for why James for some reason killed himself instead of just helping the enclave that was admittedly bad writing
They still sell Bawls energy drink, you should do a taste test video of Bawls vs the nuka cola in the fallout cook book.
"Look how they massacred my boy"
Feels.
F for armpit, may his legacy never be forgotten
That mid roll ad had me dying
''What the hell was that?!"
''Raid Shadows legends''
I dont set those up so I dont know what you are talking about, I also have YT Premium so I haven't seen said ad.
@@TKsMantis YT automatically did it then. The timing is sooo perfect...
Have you ever noticed that the fallout games seem to follow a cyclical pattern of how good they are in two sets?
fallout 1:good
Fallout 2:very good
Fallout bos tactics: ok
Fallout bos: not that good
Fallout 3: good
Fallout nv: very good
Fallout 4: ok
Fallout 76: not that good
This is subjective for sure but maybe if they end up making a few more, in two fallouts we will have one that’s really good again.
Edit: this is not supposed to be a very strict ranking system, I am not comparing any of them to each other besides how I and a lot of fans seem to feel about them as games.
Yo fax though
👀
Does it confirm Obsidian or InExile are making new Fallout
@@mixererunio1757 no nothing's confirmed but we can hope they get their hands on it
Fallout 76:very good
Saddest thing about this, there's no rule 34 of Raider matron
Be the first do something about that.
As Gandhi would say, "Be the change you wish to see."
What's funny and sad is that Brotherhood of Steel is still more faithful to the lore then Fallout 76 is where it seems like a dimensional rift opened in that game where everything from all timelines and locations converged in Appalachia.
Automated flying drones? NCR Ranger armor and nukes going off every 10 mins? Yea, sure, why not? Brotherhood being in the region to help the locals out of the goodness of their hearts? of course!
Can't argue that.
creation club or whatever its called in 76 isn't canon
Is any part of it canon?
@@rileymccreanor6492 you are an absolute legend
I'll agree with the BOS in Fallout 76 not being very true to lore, but they weren't "Helping the locals out of the goodness of their hearts". Their goal was first and foremost to collect pre-war technology, the reason they were fighting the Scorched was because it was a threat to everyone, including them, especially if it escaped Appalachia. It was even made clear that they were bullying the Responders out of supplies.
This was pretty interesting to see this piece of Fallout history. I was too young to even know what Fallout was at the time. I have a feeling even child me would find this game extremely corny and trying to be cool.
For 2004? Definitely. By that time I had played KoToR
Come one, come all; the show is about to begin!
Me: *"Seeing Bethesda"* Perhaps I treat you harshly...
Bethesda may not have the greatest track record from a story standpoint, but they undoubtedly nailed the feel of what Fallout should be. If BOS was Interplay's last Fallout game, I shudder to think about what would've happened had they kept the IP.
I'm usually the black sheep in any herd, and yet even I look down on this game. I love you for the in-depth analysis but I hate you for reminding me this exists.
Fair.
I’m actually thankful for this video since now I know what inspired the hoi4 modders to make the Texan brotherhood in the fallout mod.
Didn't have to tell us your skin color, but yeah
Ah yes metal fallout with big tiddy raiders , everyone's favorite game
This is gonna be cursed lmao
Just a bit.
On a side note, Baldur's Gate : Dark Alliance 1 has been developped by Chris Avellone, and BG:DA 2 by Black Island, with all the Fallout 1 & 2 developpers that didn't left for Obsidian. Also both games are fully playable on coop and have a beautiful soundtrack by Jeremy Soule.
F for armpit and Rhombus
>You give The Vault Dweller a Vault 13 flask.
>You get a Vault 13 flask from Doc Mitchell, of whom, also resided from Vault 13.
Doc Mitchell is the Vault Dweller if you apply that tiny tidbit of canonical reference from Brotherhood of Steel into the rest of the lore.
Isn't FNV like 90 years after Fallout 1 though?
Doc Mitchell is from vault 21
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And F for Armpit 😔
In the big bar in the sky now.
R/cursedcomments
F for Armpit
Honestly man, remember last year when I used to be a total shitpost? I feel like your content helped me grow out of that lol
“BREAKING: TKS MANTIS FALLOUT GURU CURES DEGENERACY!”
Watching that super mutant piss scene was one of the happiest moments of my life. The way absolutely blows radioactive piss while standing feet away frim the UNOPENED toilet just lifts my spirits in ways no other game can.
at 15:03 that's a British style railcar, you can tell by the buffers and coupling mechanism. is there a lore reason for this or is it just a weird choice by the visual design people?
also F for armpit
Probs just fit more with the Fallout aesthetic
@@TKsMantis Or the ladder, this is BoS we're talking about, fucking up the Fallout aesthetic is what they're known for
Bruh that Super mutant pissing killed me. So bad😭
F
Armpit, you will be missed but not forgotten, and I shall rip and tear the flesh of my enemies in thy name.
F
I personally like the idea of the BOS sending a bunch of knights and paladins (including Rhombus) to Texas only for all of them to die and any recruits they have disappeared into the Texan wastes.
Texas was too tough even for the brotherhood
No one pointing out how Tony Jay is voicing a super mutant for the second time in this series...
Supermutant piss why
That scream tho
@@TKsMantis man I guess kidney stones get bigger or sharper when exposed to FEV
Because I guess some dev thought it was funny.
It was the early 2000's, toilet humor was everywhere
@Grym nah
@Grym it's a super mutant having a joke that wouldn't be out of place of a low brow comedy from the 2000's. How it gets funny again?
Everyone you met along the way "oh look a nuke" *heavy metal starts playing*
This game had a killer soundtrack with music from some bad ass metal bands
Anytime it cuts to metal music I think I’m getting interrupted by an ad for something I’d likely never buy
Really hilarious hearing Tony Jay do the intro for this game, all I hear in my mind is The Elder God from TLOK Soul Reaver.
I will never outlive my edgy teen years, it’s not a phase mom!
Hahahahaah
I'd love to have them casually canonize this game by having an npc offhandedly mention a someone setting off a nuke in texas
Absolutely appreciate this retrospective. I've always been really curious about this game. A TPS action based game in the fallout world could be really cool. Shame we got this haha
Just play third person in fallout 3, new vegas and 4
Never had the balls to try playing this, thanks for taking the plunge for us!
* Bawls
The opening cinematic is unironically epic
We need another metal Fallout spin off
I can’t deny how awesome that intro is, the industrial sounding metal and Tony Jay narrating make the intro come off as bleak, terrifying and machine like. I think it actually fits the brotherhood and Super Mutants pretty well but understand why it’s not for everyone.
The opening for this game is pretty goddamn epic
I remember this being my first entry into the series, unknowing to the other games, my mother surprised me with a Christmas gift after a rough Financial year. I played it a few hours but never fully got into it. Later I had a classmate who told me about Oblivion with guns and let me borrow Fallout 3. That's when I realized the connection.
To be fair this game was made by a company reaching dangerous levels of bankrupcy. For context, Interplay Entertainment was goin' down pretty fast and they scrambled trying to save themselves. Black Isle (a CRPG division) did its best to help and managed to give Interplay 2 or 3 more years of life, but by the early 2000's the ship was sinking either way. So they jumped into the console market with 2 D&D based games and 1 on Fallout, the problem was for them it was too little to late and in the end Interplay ended up closing its doors.
In contrast Bethesda Softworks was going into bankrupcy almost at the same time as Interplay but they saved themselves with the launch of Morrowind on PC and Consoles, however that game lacked 60%+ of the original content and is still to this day bugged as hell, however the overall presentation of the product gave them enough cash to survive, specially with the XBOX version wich was a top seller at the time. Interplay on the other hand was a fully PC developer and by the time they jumped the console market they didn't knew how to do it properly or like I said it was too late for them.
The point is, Brotherhood of Steel is not a pretty good game but not at all one of the worst (there are way more bad games in the PS2 line), but for a Fallout it was indeed the cheapest one ever made... but that torch got passed very recently when Bethesda released Fallout 76.
In al fairness Fallout 76 is indeed the Black Sheep of the franchise, mostly because to this day still is not only an overpriced scam but also contains some of the worst anti-consumer policies in the market and that is something that Brotherhood of Steel, even with all it's flaws, don't have and never will. So for that, the PS2 spin-off is for all intents and porpuses way more consumer friendly than the last game released by Bethesda.
No matter what other problems the games face, Fallout always manages to get some CRACKED ass voice talent. Even this game got Tony Jay for the narration and mutants.
I'm surprised you didn't press this game on the Slipknot stuff. I felt that was the most egregious part of BOS's identity crisis
I love how Attis just becomes the Gravemind after a bit
I really just enjoy the fact it is set in Texas, and introduces a Ghoul city.
Fallout Brotherhood Of Steel is semi available on the internet (Surprisingly New Condition) And at a decent cost, i had to grab it a few years back.
I actually liked it for the most part.. Especially for a PS2 game
I started this game again after so long, using an emulator did not help the already hard to enjoy but very hilarious BOS. If nothing else fantastic can be said about it, it has my favorite main menu out of all the games
That mutant peeing was literally family guy humor. Also, that intro is very misleading. Makes it seem like the brotherhood didn’t exist until the time of fallout 1 and they defeated the master despite the fact that they barely do anything in that game. Also also, why is there mutants here? Are they mutants who fled new California? Or where they created in that vault?
Atis’s horde are meant to be a remnant of the Master’s army that fled east after his death. Basically a carbon copy of the Gammorin Mutant army from Tactics.
I know this could mean so little, but perhaps it was more from a brotherhood of steel propaganda to make themselves sound better?
I hope your channel really blows up, more people need to see your stuff
Thanks Beairman!
@@TKsMantis I just realized my hopes came true lol good shit mantis
Damn mantis you make the most entertaining and interesting documentaries on video games no cap
Thank you so much Gecko!
Great video as always Mantis! I always look forward to your fallout related content.
Hey Mantis have you ever played HOI4 Old World Blues, I think they just released a Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel update.
He has but he didnt know how to play hoi4 lmao
Yes.
@@giantatom oof
Next to Kaiserreich and TNO best total conversion of the game. There's so much content there
@@mixererunio1757OWB, Kaiserreich, and TNO are why I have 1,942.5 hours in the game lmao. Still not more than my fallout games but getting closer.
This game was my introduction to the series and the first Fallout game I beat. In fact I beat this game twice. It'll always have a special place in my heart.
Great Video, very informative and overall enjoyable
Thanks Glizzy!
@@TKsMantis no problem 😉
I still have this game for my PS2 and absolutely still love it.
My only complaint was Bawls being the currency as Bawls was barely available even back then
At the beginning I was like oh dear god how did they butcher this series and by the time the mutant exploded into a goo monster I just accepted it threw the lore out the window.
Also with the pissing mutant I thought for a sec this was aimed for little kids with that scene
Maybe it was suppose to be a nod to the master...? Nah that's giving too much credit
@@guilhermehank4938 lol definately too much credit. look at how they tried to represent the vault dweller and made him sound like an ex raider.
@@friendlypotato7950 To be honest, the vault dweller being there breaks all sort of lore
Mantis you are a fantastic TH-camd. I have been hearing nothing but praise for you throughout the community
But then a super mutant takes a super piss had me dying 🤣
This game was my first introduction into the Fallout universe. I loved it, but I think it was because of a few factors. 1) I hadn't played Fallout 1 or 2 beforehand. 2) I just played the crap out of Dark Alliance and wanted more of the same. And probably most importantly 3) I didn't know Bawls was a real world product at the time so I just assumed it was part of the cheese that is this franchise. I'll tell ya though it sure got into my veins. I was so excited when Fallout 3 was announced because I enjoyed this one.
Aw HELL yes. I love videos like this -- I usually run them when I'm waiting on FO4 loading screens, or settlement building. It's about as much lore as you can get in that game. Jokes aside, looking forward to this one. Was right about to boot up and pack a bowl, what timing...
Weed and Fallout are a match made in heaven
@@primuspilusfellatus6501 Absolutely lmao. I remember highschool, rolling shitty joints and sneaking them outside. Coming back in, playing NV on 360. The fuckin days
that opening cinematic is so fucking good, the music, the narration, the things we see, soooooo good
also, the song from the intro cinematic is "Cult of Luna - Circle"
The narrator and the super mutant general sound like The Lieutenant from fallout one
Same VA, the late Tony Jay.
I seriously died of laughter at the ending when the vault exploded and hardcore metal music started playing
If I wasn’t already subbed, the opening 40 seconds would have secured the sub
That Metal song that played when the bomb went off... The first time I heard it was when someone edited arms and guitars onto some really bouncy parrots, lmao.
This game was my introduction to Fallout and I don't regret it.
Was this Todd's inspiration for fallout 76
Mantis this video is really good like better than the New Vegas's Birthday video
I'm a fan of metal but the music in this game just takes everything away from the atmosphere and world building for me
Currently on a Fallout content binge. This channel was a good find.
Interesting review and thanks for history and perspective of lore of Fallout. However, there is some room for disagreement and creativity in plausible lore. Although the details of "execution" for this version of Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout was quite poor to lackluster, not all of the elements were all bad. For example, the location of Texas is interesting and the aspect of BALLS as a drink, was not necessarily all bad, especially if they had more mentions of Nuka-Cola at least trying to be a competitor of drinks by various artifacts. Since, a secondary competitor like BALLS in the Fallout Universe can make the products seem more immersive than just having only Nuka-Cola. Similarly, this version gives some explanation to one backstory about the Brotherhood of Steel, and to a slight different version of Death Claws and variants of Mutants. But with creativity in plausible lore requires more details in overall writing to back up the new lore, new twist, or plausibility angle, and to give the back stories, and overall to give a closure of loops. In other words, lazy writing, or sloppy execution can be costly to how the game / sim will be received by the core fans of a series, the new fans, and the public. .
That moment when you can't even hear the intro because of the metal.
I’m surprised no one has tried to remake this game through a mod yet, has potential
Finally a video covering bawls energy drink. Truly you magnum opus.
Fallout BOS doesn't exist to me. It's just some random top down shooter with a Fallout theme on it.
It's not canon
Todd confirmed its not canon
Better than new vegas
I think this has the best opening cut scene in the whole series
Im sorry, i know it doesnt fit the tone of fallout at all, and glorifies the BOS. but without any context that intro is fuckin sick!!
@@TwoBs Bethesda invented the 50s thing with 3.
Before that, it was implied that it's just so far into the future that they don't remember almost anything about the old world.
Games on the snowblind engine o just can't dislike. Champions of norrath, baldurs gate dark alliance were my childhood and that nostalgia will always make me enjoy even brotherhood of steel lol.
so this is what bethesda used as inspiration to create fallout 3 and 4
ok but the visuals for the intro for this game are actually pretty sick..
HE DIDN'T EVEN OPEN IT HE JUST SUPER-PISSED ON THE LID
It seems Tony Jay and Michel Bell working together wasnt something coincidental. They ALWAYS do a stellar job in their roles.
At one point, Brotherhood of Steel ranked higher than 76 on Metacritic. Let that sink in.