Instead of doing these long trips that we know the EVs do not shine at yet, why not do a month of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time?
I'm not surprised that there isn't much savings for road tripping, as EV public charging is expensive. The big savings with driving an EV are from home charging.
If he'd got an Ionity passport for £10.50 for the month, he'd pay 37p a kWh which would have made his trip cheaper at £137.37 and any other away from home charging using Ionity for the rest of that month would have been at the lower rate. but also the figure would be lower as you'd charge to 100% before you left at 7p a kwh or less.
10 stops for the tesla in 1000 miles. So that works out 100 miles per charge!! There is something wrong going on here. There is no way a Tesla will only go 100 miles then need a charge, and I'm a diesel car driver!
a lot of the charges were not full charges if you watch the full video they comment that it was only filled to 60% and a lot of the stops would to eat etc.
That is probably partly because the Tesla route optimizes for speed and wil do charge stops from within 25% and 75%.and will often only charge about 40% of charge in about 15-20 mins. Even then 10 stops is a lot for only 1000 miles starting with 300 miles of charge. But also driving much less efficient in the Tesla than the Peugeot is weird. Suspicious even. Such a trip should be possible in 4 stops if you plan for a couple longer lunch stops charging from about 10% to 90%.
@@AlbertZonneveld Agree It's nonsense - I do a regular trip of 567 miles (1334 miles return) from my home near Sydney to Melbourne, I only have a standard range LFP car with a small battery - it only takes 2 x 20-25 min stops in each direction to do this trip. It's takes less time in my EV than my ICE car becuse I always stopped to eat and use the bathroom at least twice in my ICE car for a minimum 20min as well but instead of having to fill and move the car before I go inside I just plug in.
@@TB-up4xi good point! This is often missed when people think of how to travel with electric cars. I always stop close to chargers when I get a coffee and I plug in just in case it’s a long wait. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. And when we do stop to eat, I also plug it in. I love, just love not having to ever get in line for gas, pump the gas in the cold, go pay or struggle with the pay pass, tell everybody to meet me on the other side of the gas station, rather than do it with me, and then go from there. It’s not about time. It’s about a sane way to travel in my opinion. And keep in mind that I drive a fairly slow charging Kia Niro. I do kind of regret that part of the purchase, but otherwise it’s all fine and good.
At 7:07 how are you complaining about getting 150 kw charging instead of 250 kw when you went to a V2 supercharger which maxes out at 150 kw instead of a V3.. If you had used just some basic on screen navigation you would have been able to reach a further SC instead of stopping at 35% and you would have been able to select a V3. I know they meant to test the “as is” experience but Tesla owners are used to driving beyond the navigations conservative stops and selecting for V3 over V2 chargers
If have made the trip from Switzerland to the north of England in both a Tesla Model 3 and Y a number of times over the last 5 years. The car plans the route and recharge stops for you. The biggest problem is not the car, but my bladder, as driving more than 3 hours at a go requires a stop. I did a 3500km trip in May this year and frankly it was so undramatic, it’s hardly worth making a video like this one…
And for the other 361 days of the year your eCar begins every morning with a full tank, never pays at a charger, leaves clean air in its wake, reduces noise pollution, needs servicing only on blue moons and it’s toasty-warm, inside, and ice-free, outside, on those “brass monkey” mornings. All for a few quid extra on your power bill at the end of the month.
Yeah, quie surprise with the stops all 160km. Usually you do 300-350km, 1 short stop of 10mn, again 1-1h30 of driving then lunch or dinner or hôtel break. So this 2 break for 500km. 1600km, this 6-7 stops max... ah I realize that it was the e3008...
@DanRyzESPUK yeah I think they could definitely made in easily in the 3008 with 8 stops. But the e3008 consumes significantly more at highway speed than the Tesla
It's not a hole, it's horses for courses. Yeah if you wanna do your trip all in one hit an EV isn't for you but the last time I did that distance all in one hit I got out of the car in pain. So if you are like me and need to stop every couple of hundred miles the an EV is ideal but for many doing 200+ miles in one hit isn't ideal anymore.
Charging 10 times for a 1000 mile trip is ridiculous on a car with a range over 300 miles! That’s through choice not necessity. You could very conservatively charge every 200 miles and halve the charging time! Also there’s no way you wouldn’t charge overnight as an EV owner so you’d pick a hotel with a charger or one very close to a charger. Does highlight though how ridiculously high prices public charging is… complete rip off
@@leemitchell3302 still a lot of time charging! And what a nonsense, with an EV car having to decide a refill strategy!! ICE car will do 500 miles and take minutes to refill to a 100%
@@markgt894it really isn’t though because you’d charge during toilet and food stops. The guy in the Kia even said he would have made more stops in normal circumstances (where he would have charged if in an EV). So in normal circumstances you’re not really adding that much more stationary time than when driving an ICE car… unless you’re happy driving 4/5 hours without a break! I’m personally not
@@Gdank72 even then, EV cars are more expensive than ICE and EVs depreciate like a stone. Many people do at least one or two long journeys a year, an EV would just be a pain especially with kids.
Having owned EVs for 5 years, I'd say it's pretty rare to go away for 3 nights and not charge once overnight. That charge is usually less expensive and will get you to full as well. The overall result isn't too surprising though. EVs are much better for 99% of your journeys and I think this test has showed it's not too painful if you want to use it for a trip. I think petrol cars are becoming less compelling all the time. This is their only use case now.
Well said. You don't buy a car for 2% of your journeys. You buy it for the 98% of normal life journeys. Charging on night rates make it phenomenally cheap to run
Agreed. This would be a once a year journey for most people. I think I could sacrifice a couple of hours once or twice a year for the overall benefit of an EV.
@@brummiesalteno-81 like many, we have done (Kia eNiro) and it’s been brilliant over the last 3 years. I’ve done some long trips, the longest being 560 miles in a day in the UK. It was straightforward and not hugely different to an Ice car. Charging while we were eating, not running it flat then charging. If it was a Tesla it would have been even more straight forward.
Some folk live in their own little world🙄 lucky if you don’t need to travel any distance to see family, weekends away, or U.K. holidays. Even if I holiday abroad, the airport is further than the range away. Never seen free charging places at hotels I stay at! Same cars occupy all night! Who’s getting up at 3am to move their car? Infrastructure needs to improve big time.
What a load of nonsense! 10 stops to do 1000 miles in the Tesla. Did the driver have a weak bladder? I regularly do 250 miles trips on a single charge in my Model 3. If you guys want to report on EVs - learn how to drive them.
@@markgt894 Does an ICE recharge at home with 10 seconds of your time to plug it in? Does it start every day with a full tank, such that you don't need to *think* about range or refueling in day-to-day driving?
@@markgt894 the EV will be charging whilst doing something else, eating dinner etc, whereas a dinosaur car would be sat there just taking up space while the driver is eating
@@markgt894 You only charge to 100% if you are 250 miles to next charger, or you are clueless, or not smart enough to search on how to charge an EV while traveling.
Can’t believe they didn’t mention the autopilot feature of the Tesla! We did a road trip from North England to Paris earlier this year, the Tesla basically just drove it self! That level of comfort is priceless!
@@Twin.motors 110%! Chances are when I have to renewal the lease next year, it'll be another Tesla for that very reason, just a shame they are not as much fun to drive as a small ICE sports car (my previous care was an RS3) - but the Model Y is super practical!
@@jgogl9791I have the Model Y performance - Handling is not great, very heavy car and compared to previous cars I've had (BMW 340i, VW Golf R, Audi RS3) it's no where near as fun. I never think about taking the Model Y Performance out for a drive on the weekends, I'm not excited to get into it. The ride quality is very similar to the previous cars I've had, if you have come from performance cars with stiff dampers, you won't mind, but if you have come from a more comfortable car like Range Rover or Audi A5, you'll hate it! The speed is amazing, there are almost no other car that can beat the Model Y performance off the line - 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds! For long journeys, the Tesla is amazing, I used to dread driving long distance on my previous cars, but in the Model Y, it's amazing. To summarise, if you want a super practical family car which is relatively comfortable and still fun-ish to drive, and allows you to put bikes/prams/suite cases in the back, Tesla Model Y performance is perfect, if you want a care to set your heart racing and take out for drives on your own on weekends around Welsh country roads, this is not the car for you! I myself will be getting a smaller sports car as soon as my kids are older!
Whilst I like autopilot it’s not as good as the system my Audi Q5 had. That was less dramatic, more graceful and measured in its application and worked at higher speeds (needed in Germany).
Put the same 3 cars to the test for a week of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time... The cars should be driven together for a fair result. You will be surprised because home charging is much cheaper and the Tesla, unlike petrol cars, is more efficient in urban driving while petrol cars are least efficient in urban driving. The cost of fuel for the petrol car might be 5 times higher than the cost on the electric bill for the Tesla. In this test, the gap will be huge unlike the 1000 mile road trip which favours petrol cars, as we see on the video. Of course electric cars are always cheaper to run...
Very poor planning. Charge while the car is stopped anyway; eating, visiting the facilities etc, and always book a hotel with chargers so you have a full tank in the morning. Slow charging is so much cheaper.
So yet again the Car is forcing you where to stop and stay overnight which can be more expensive again than where you want to stay, so yet more unnecessary cost!
@@damindraive not found hotels with chargers any more expensive than without. Did a trip uk to norway last year stayed at hotels that were convenient and two out of the four had chargers (one in their car park one a minutes walk away) didnt notice any price difference. Not that ive done an extensive test or anything but you've just assumed they are because ??
Pretty much what I expected except the petrol car will need an oil service at some point whereas the two battery cars won't. The single most reason why we don't take our electric car on long trips is the ridiculous energy costs. We charge our car at night for 7p per kwh and here you are paying 87p per kwh. This over pricing has to stop if more of us are going to adopt electric.
I imagine anyone going on a trip like that, is more than likely going to buy subs for Ionity, or Tesla, or both. This would significantly decrease the price of charging.
What are you guys doing? I do a semi regular trip from my house near Sydney to Melbourne and return 912km / 567 miles in each direction (1824km/1334 mi round trip) in my 2023 Model 3 RWD - not even the long range just the regular LFP with the small battery. I only stop 2 times in each direction for late breakfast and early dinner - exactly the same as I used to do in my ICE car - it only takes 2 x 25 min stops to do the 567miles each way - I am charging while eating and using the bathroom - it's actually quicker in my EV than it used to be in my ICE car because I would stop for 20-25 min anyway to eat and use the bathroom but I don't have to fill my car and move it before going inside - just plug it in. I charge for 8c AUD overnight and leave with a 100% charge and get back with a 15% charge - the first 250 miles and the last 210 miles cost me $6 / £3 in fuel in total and the middle 674 miles cost me an average of $88 / £45
I do believe you should have left your destination with 100% charge as anyone in an EV visiting would leave with the 100% charge. Also many people would not do the 500 mile trip in each direction without toilet and food stops. EV can plugin while driver gets refreshed. I have done an 870 mile trip in my EV and only stop was whilst we ate. Also only cost me £37 Tesla also has sentry mode running to protect your car but it does use some power.
I really don‘t want to hate, but there is absolutely no way, that the Model Y consumes more Energy, than the Peugeot. I own a Model Y Long Range and with 4 Persons and a full Trunk und Frunk i get about 3,1 Miles per kWh in Germany at 135 km/h or 84mph with Cruise Control. When i go skiing, roughly a 1900km Trip, i charge a total of 6 times when starting with 100% and arriving with a nearly empty battery. So lets say 7 times but only 6 times are time relevant. Each charging takes about 20-25 Minutes so in the worst case about 2,5 Hours. I really don‘t know how you achieve these numbers. And for the record, my numbers are from december and driving in Germany and Switzerland in the Mountains.
I have done two family holidays from Liverpool to the continent to the continent in a mid spec ID3, both over 1000 miles. They were incredibly easy. I only had one charge per trip where I had to stop longer than the kids did anyway. You DO NOT need a Tesla for eVs to be great. In fact there are quite a few better EVs out there now.
Yuh, there are 3 sets of public accessable tesla chargers (6, 8 and 4 stalls) ... and just the charging schedule used is completely idiotic. No overnight charging at any of the hotels.
I own an EV and they are a solution for some and not for others. If you are a heavy mileage person then an EV is deffo not for you. If you do a trip to southern france once a year then the advantages of an EV (home charging convenience, quiet, being able to defrost a car easily in winter :p, cost effective motoring and cutting down tail pipe emissions etc etc) are worth the potential headache once a year, i did a trip to disney which was 500 miles in an ID7 and it took me no longer than it did the year before in my petrol, cos i just charged when i stopped for a wee or for lunch, i only needed one charge to 80%, pointless charging to 100%.
Depends on what kind of high mileage. 250 miles a day around the city is huge mileage, you are thinking of long road trips frequently kind of mileage, cause in the first case EVs are way superior.
I drove from Bournemouth to Heswall for the week out in my 2022 Tesla model 3 last month. Charged once on the way up because a passenger needed the loo. Arrived at Trentham with 34%, plugged in, got foot, by the time food arrived the car was on 79% and by the time we finished and pay the bill, it was on 98%. Arrived in Heswall with 74%. Drove around Heswall for about a week, had sentry mode on (car's cameras constantly recording) in the Premier Inn carpark and the day before we left, I went to visit a friend in Manchester. Didn't charge for the entire week in Heswall, despite driving around every day and using sentry mode. Left Heswall with about 19% and arrived at Trafford Centre with 5%. Friend and I got dinner and went into central via the tram. Came back, took my friend back to his house and then navigated back to Trentham to use the supercharger. It was 10pm at this point. Arrived back at Trentham with 3% after preheating a little bit, charged to 100%. Hit 80% after about 30 mins and 100% after about an hour (was stuck into some netflix). Total cost? £18.34 Because the Tesla charger was £0.24 /kWh at the time I was there. Drove back to Heswall, woke up in the morning and drove home to Bournemouth. Stopped to see some family in Coventry for 1 hour, there was literally a public AC charger on their street, one of those lamppost things. Expensive, but ABC (Always be charging) - got our cable out and plugged into this 7 kW charger for £0.40 /kWh and we put 10 kWh in during the just over an hour we were there. Again, didn't plan to charge there, but why not since it was available, might as well and it would save us having to stop for 2 minutes in Winchester. Drove home and got there with 20%. I did not need to charge in coventry, it was a waste of money. - £4 I wasted lol. Total trip cost was £40 in public charging, and nothing in home charging because I was on octopus agile at the time, and I was actually being PAID to charge the car. £1.20 I made total charging up before and after I got home. So total trip cost was £38.80 In my previous car, a 2012 Diesel BMW X1 it would have cost about £130 and been a worse drive as it only has dumb cruise control. My Tesla has autopilot. I'd also have to stop for the loo break anyway for the passenger. If you're doing road trips, Tesla is a no brainer until other networks become cheaper. £0.24 at Tesla for owners or with £8.99 membership. The second cheapest network is Ionity which is £0.43 with membership (£10)
By the time electric gets same taxes as diesel, which it has to as govt has no money to spare, yoj will be buying a diesel again, as you fill it up in five minutes once for the whole trip.
@@benmarr352 not true, I can fill up at home haha why would I go out to waste 5 mins when I can wake up full every night. Also diesel will NEVER be cheaper than electric. I’m charging up for free tonight with octopus lmao
@@iambenmitchell Having lived in a number of countries where diesel is sild at or at least near cost - and looking at the foolish power generation policies in the UK - we will wait and see - enjoy your car while you can, you may be one of the very, very few who doesn't switch back, but then, hey some people bought Allegros
Very interesting test guys. I’m in the US and have done ~10000km in road trips and my cost per mile doing similar speeds was only ~15% better than the Tesla model Y. Hearing that you can pay 79p/ USD $0.99 per kWh in the UK is outrageous. In the US it ranges from $0.30 (OR,WA) to $0.65 in CA, although a realistic average around the country would be ~$0.43 per kWh. Electricity prices at public EV chargers have to come down for widespread adoption in my view to offset the extra time compared to a gas vehicles.
Electricity cost will not go down for superchargers as the roads do need repairs and the electric grid does need lots of investments. In Europe at least, much of the gas/diesel price is tax because of that, EV road electricity has to compensate for that and pay its share to maintain the infrastructure.
@@ContraVsGigi Agree with the road usage charge and that is still a black hole in the US as Interstate and a large part of State Hwy Funding comes from gas taxes. BEV's currently pay nothing and that will have to change. I'm not sure whether for instance Tesla Supercharger rates have any road tax included, I have not heard anything to that effect. What happens though when the effective price of electricity goes below zero, as happens now in CA between 1000-1400 during summer. Grid battery storage is going to change everything in the next 5 years as it starts to vacuum up all that excess electricity, putting further pressure on rates outside the above times. Home batteries will add to this as well.
@@joebullwinkle5099 That below zero cost will be gone as there is no real free lunch. No investor will want to produce more electricity and give it for free (or even pay for that), they will find ways to either produce less or sell it somewhere else. Much of the prices are kept lower than what they should also because of the federal, state and local subventions (all sorts of them). And there is more, for instance VW was forced to build thousands of charging areas as a fine in the dieselgate scandal. What I am saying is that the market is not really free in this domain and in time, it should become free and allow itself to be managed by market rules.
Luxury is spending less time refuelling, having more freedom of choice of where and when to stop, and peace of mind. All things I’d happily pay more for, especially on holidays.
Stopping 10 times with the TESLA is just not serious. Neither is the consumption figures, relative to the Peugeot. Unless you drove with all four windows open and a roof rack ?
Why does the trip planner for the Tesla show just 2 stops for the outward trip? That's 4 or a maximum of 5 for the return trip. Your test has no resemblance to fact unless you can explain why you needed more than twice the number stops that the Tesla planner calculated.
They do say in the video they did stop and charge whilst doing filming and with some charging upto 100%. Anyone with an EV knows it's pointless and a waste of time charging above 80% on fast charging tbh I rarely go above 60% as its quicker driving to another charging stop with lower battery. I'm based up in the midlands and its tell me the same trip will done in 7 charges and only 2 hours and 23 minutes of charging for an extra 240 miles of distance as well. That's with the less efficient model 3 performance
Never had an issue taking a Tesla on the Eurotunnel. The Model Y is 3cm wider than the Kia hence why they allocate the single deck carriage which is used for wider vehicles. I’ve only ever found it about £10 more. Rather that than risk kerbing my wheels on the single deck carriage.
Tesla is £0.24 / kWh at Trafford at night. Ionity is £0.43 with membership, and the membership will pay itself off with the first charge. This channel is terrible really, they charge to way too high of a SOC on public charging, and do not use membership, which again, would pay for itself on the first charge.
@@JamsieYT Ours is 7 pence at home (1/7 cost of petrol) and TBH I don't mind spending a 70 pence/kwh, when I'm out and about, if it works reliably when on the few occasions I need them. However 79p/kwh is music to those petrol heads wanting to justify why not to have an EV.
1.Tesla Y is ridiculously overpowered compared to the other two 2.The Peugeot charging time is closer to 7 hours due to waiting to charge. 3.Tesla is the biggest,fastest,cheapest,nicest and cheapest to run.Good stuff
Do a life cycle cost of ownership with let's say 280 000km. Initial investment, insurance, maintenance cost, value depreciation, time spent charging on trips, adding gasoline etc.
just to put it out there i did pretty much the same trip in my peugeot rcz this summer which is tuned and did the trip of sensible driving most of the time and did it on £120 worth of super unleaded petrol just over 1000 miles and that was 37-46mpg average and did less than 2 tanks of petrol so real world i had no messing about in my 13 year old car which is also an amazing drive
@ you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about, you love driving microwaves so have no clue on what a decent car is you spend your life sat there watching your battery charge lol.
Nice to see the WhatCar? team dishing out 'love' reactions exclusively for the few complimentary comments in here. Lots of fair and constructive feedback to be taken from plenty of viewers in the comments. (Many of which are seemingly from well-seasoned EV owners). Sit up, take note and show (equal) appreciation 👍. (I'm not expecting a 'heart' reaction 😅.)
I did 2000kms around Norway earlier this year in a Tesla M3LR. I dont know what to say it was seemless. Had the hire car company not given me a Tesla i would have said right there and then just give me an ICE car, as i am definitely not faffing about with all the hassle of a non Telsa roadtrip in a foreign country.
Here in Canada I love the charging stops especially going from Sechelt BC on the Sunshine Coast to Vancouver BC (40 minutes on a ferry) to Calgary AB, those charging stops are usually less than 20 minutes and allow us to take in the very beautiful mountain scenery at each stop! I use to travel this none stop in a ICE car, I I am much more enjoy the route, scenery and ease of travel without the drone of the ICE, constant downshifting of the transmission and high rev's through the multiple mountain passes, what a pleasure, never going to ICE again!
I can commute up to 300 miles a day with my 2023 Tesla MY LR and it only costs me 50 cents to charge thanks to my Tesla Electric residential plan. That plan provides unlimited charging for only US $15/month (50 cents a day). Nothing beats the price and convenience of a Tesla and Tesla Electric Unlimited Charging!
Sorry but these recharges are absolutely ridiculous. Charging takes 10 min max, they are charging to a too high level. I took a 1000 km trip this month. My total charging time was approx. 50min. Most times not enough to go the the bathroom. The used charging strategy is just dumb.
I’ve taken my early 2020 model 3 from Cambridgeshire to Switzerland and back with 5 adults on board and full of luggage and it didn’t need 10 supercharger stops. Not sure what you were doing there.
October 2024 100% electric car sales up 25%, Diesel sales down 20% Petrol sales down 14% Stop fueling lies about EV ownership and start showing real everyday information.
It’s staggering how much we get ripped off for energy prices in the UK. It’s little wonder the manufactures can’t hit their EV quotas in the UK. Much as I don’t like Mr Musk or particularly care for Tesla’s, the supercharger network is a real achievement. Here we are a decade later and it’s still significantly better than anything else out there.
Model 3 - Drove to the south of France from the Netherlands. For some reasons, Tesla is inclined to make frequent topping-up rather than maximizing distance per charge. Observed 150KW charging as best but often 90KW as well. Had to wait twice at the Supercharger. Hated to have to take off the trailer every time, which was frequent because the aerodynamics were screwed. Other than that, the ride is very good. Now have a small EV for the Netherlands, which is perfect (as we are a tiny little country) and an old but very well maintained 6 cilinder for everthing far way.
Pfft, plenty of Poles drive their EVs from North England to Eastern Poland. I done it 3 times, no sweat. And i charged 4 times so not sure how those get 10 charges for 1000 miles.
this is the first review that i see someone saying the build quality and materials in the 3008 is bad !!! peugeot in the last year's have better interiors than the luxury Germans Wtf r u talking about dude
Maybe compare a monthly run of commuting 800 miles. My EV cost me $15 @ 0.08 kw, $45 mo @ 0.25 Kw. My jeep cost me $40 week plus oil changes, which are always a joy.
So with an EV, an enjoyable holiday becomes a miserable tour to different charging points. Other cars can easily do the whole trip with 10 to 15 minutes at the petrol station, not hours at a charging station.
Yes, of course a combustion-engined vehicle can do long distances more conveniently by way of 'fuel' stops... But, combustion-engined vehicles are also polluting the very air you, me and our kids and grandkids breathe, day-in, day-out - causing potentially fatal, chronic asthma and other debilitating respiratory diseases. At some point, Society needs to make a tough decision - to ban ALL combustion-engined vehicles from our built up, urban spaces where people live and work. Yes, that's going to create 'inconvenience' compared to what drivers have been used to for the last century - but, it's simply GOT to happen if we want the World's future doctors, nurses, police and fire personnel to have a fighting chance of a healthier life. I sincerely hope mankind doesn't make the same mistake as it did with allowing leaded petrol to continue to be sold, down to the corporate greed of the Oil Industry, despite the over-60 years of reported cancers and deaths directly attributable to that fuel - and they're still 'pulling-the-strings' of politicians and Governments the world over, with their funding of anti-EV FUD.
Great film and discussions. Sportage is popular for good reasons. I once drove a rental (with defect parking brake), but its ride and noise deadening impressed.
I commute to work by public transport, our car is only for groceries and travelling. I did a TCO calculation for all types, eventually just bought a ICE car. Next buy will be a hybrid, hybrid got better and cheaper so, we give it a go.. more out of convenience. The high range of hybrid cars is really nice! Even with our current ICE we only fill twice to reach South of France.
Comparing these three cars without mentioning the Model Y is considerably bigger is...just dumb. The Model Y is 20 cm (almost 8 inches longer). Also, the Model Y was the only 4WD car in the pack. Had you chosen the Model Y LR RWD, the price would have been 5k lower, the number of charging stop fewer and the price of electricity lower.
I have a Tesla M3P. I bought it in August and have done 6800km. I do a lot of quite long journeys but have never had to charge it on the public network yet.
Also, just wondering. The first charge took place while waiting for the Channel crossing. Did you include that time as well? That would not make sense as you had to wait anyway.
omg save me. its vinyl. there is no such thing as vegetable tanned skin. its vinyl it literally exists as a cheap option to leather regardless of the odd delusional need for someone to imagine its leather it exists cause its cheap for the car maker
As much as I like the concept of EV's. I see very little content about the issue of charging, when all cars are EV's (some way down the track) Think of the quantity of chargers that will be needed when EV'a are at 100% Let alone just how much of our planets resources it will take to supply the sheer quantity of materials for every battery (if there is enough). Norway has 50% private EV uptake (excluding commercial & transport) and they are a small country with a total of 2.8M registered private cars (EV and ICE) and they are starting to re-think the reality of EV's. Food for thought! More deep, future thinking & discussion is needed to solve these problems.
I think you make a good point. In the UK, unless you have a home charger, it's still more expensive to run an EV over an ICE car. And don't forget insurance, tyres and brakes are more expensive on an EV than an ICE car.
I went from an i30N to Polestar 2. Similar power, but Polestar value almost twice as much. Insurance cost identical, not a penny extra when I swapped cars on insurance. Tyres have already lasted longer than the i30's and only just over half worn. Brakes are barely used because of regenerative braking. Don't believe everything you read in the Telegraph or GB News, they're economical with the truth.
Also pointless bothering to test economy in cars that cost around £40k. For most people that means buying the car on PCP/Finance - and only people with zero money sense do that. A better EV vs ICE test would be to look at the best all-rounder (daily driver and long-distance runner) you can get on a budget of less than £10k.
Ive done 17000km this year, mostly commuting, ive free electricity on a Sunday, ive a night rate. Ive done 1 long trip (500km). ive spent €120 total. My wifes golf for the same cost us €1650.
This is the first time I’ve seen a review of an EV where the actual efficiency of miles driven and kW used has been calculated and compared to what the car thinks. I’ve owned a Polestar 2 since 2021 and performed many different range and efficiency tests… why, because the reality of what I can achieve has been so different to the estimated real world figures and anything quoted by the car. Thanks What Car
Electric vehicles for local travel and charge at home. I'd still have petrol or diesel I'm under cover when the weather is terrible. See how happy you are when is chucking it down 3 times a day on a long journey 😂😂
ABRP - a better route planner = using ENODE function. You'll know car's SOC and next stops with availability. Tesla like experience. Only downside I found is that connection between ABRP and car (Audi GT) can sometimes stop which is frustrating. No doubt things will improve.
The hybrid only stopped for fuel twice, but how many safety breaks did he take? And how long did those breaks take? Recommendations are in the order of 20 minutes every 2 hours. During the EV recharging sessions, you would also be taking those safety breaks, and doing other necessary things.So the 'delays' are not quite as bad as they seem to be.
We own a house in Charante so make a similar journey. Currently use my diesel Duster, but will be using my partner's EV in future. We have sussed out options - his can use Tesla superchargers as a non Tesla. I just have to question why anyone would use the tunnel from the starting point of this video when they can have a much more pleasant trip on the Portsmouth to Caen ferry. Still a 5 hour drive the other side but you get 6 hours of rest or more on the ferry. Magical.
Teslas have excellent route planning. If you drive a non Tesla EV and do sufficient long journeys, it's worth considering apps such as A Better Route Planner and Tronity, which together provide near real-time updates on charger availability and your car state of charge. I used these successfully for a holiday in the Scottish Highlands this year from my home down South.
Sorry in the petrol car you were not stationary for 10 minutes over 1000 miles. Not going to disagree about having the choice of where to stop but that smug it takes me 5 minutes to refill my petrol car is daft. You fuel an ev while you do other things not sitting there like a lemon holding a handle on a hose and wondering off to pay
@@jamie-hb8gy took me 45 minutes of sitting in trafic to get to morrisons for diesel the other week with traffic for the van last week when i needed to drive in the opposite direction and was fuming. When you're not desperately trying to classify people into arbitrary groups you have probably had similar experiences. The fuel went in in 5 mins though...
1st of all , how much do you spend while you're doing "Other things" that you don't need to do because you've got to fill your time while you wait around charging . 2nd .How long are you waiting at the checkouts waiting to pay for these other things you do while your charging. Invariably it costs more than just charging. 3rd. Most pumps now you can actually pay at the pump !! Who's the lemon , wasting time they don't need to and spending money they don't have to ? It does make me laugh how much you extole the benefits of wasting your time under the guise of comfort breaks. Lets be completely honest , If you're not on your way to where you need to be , you're wasting time . I'd much rather be enjoying what I'm supposed to be doing , where I'm supposed to be doing it ASAP , than doing " other things" because I don't have a choice whether I do them or not. I get EVs can work but don't try and Glaze people into thinking waiting around charging isn't wasting time or you don't spend money doing it.
It's not a real world test tho is it. 48 weeks of the year everyone goes to work and back, does shopping and does local leisure activities in their spare time. The average driver does about 8 miles per day. This format of comparing EVs to ICE cars is threadbare and deeply flawed Why not put 5 quid of home charging in an EV and 5 quid's worth of petrol in an ice car and see how they compare.
When I plan this route, the Tesla needs 7 charges. ( 3 on the way there, 1 at arrival to 100% , and 3 more to get to London ) And every charging session would take 13-17 minutes. So 3hours of charging on a 16 hour roadtrip. Not too bad.
I remember travelling in France in high summer and having difficulty convincing a frenchman that i could charge my non tesla car at the Tesla supercharger but he was getting angier and angrier ... I had issues with my phone being in a foreign country so I gave in and gave the frenchy the charger. So when travelling if you plan to use a tesla supercharger make sure you arent in the rush hour in high summer with a mobile that doesnt work!
Seriously, how did you "need" to stop and charge a Model Y TEN TIMES (!!!) in 1000 miles? There was lots of EV user malpractice going on in your test. You used them like they were rental cars that you didn't know how to get the best out of - vs. experienced EV owners.
Tesla chargers are great I used them on my trip to scotland, 630mls ea way, my first time doing a ling trip in my Skoda Enyaq and first ever time doing that trip in an EV. Cost me about the same as doing it in my 09 Grand PissCrapso. But I felt so much more relaxed, more stops meant for a more relaxing drive as i wast pushing. I'm a petrol head and I'll not be going back to ICE unless its something with a V8. The enyaq beats all my previous cars apart from maybe my A6 Quattro. I'm not saying it's perfect and getting your head around the charging is a big learning curve. And the icing on the cake is umph, it has so much and delivers anytime you ask for it, overtaking anywhere is a breeze, pulling onto motorways etc is a doddle. But if you're a bit of a techophobe don't get an EV, you need lots apps on you're phone, but i think thats for a lot of modern cars.
Think the only thing would be the anxiety of getting to a charging area and it being full knowing you had to get to the le shuttle to get home and trying to work out the queue.
when we did a trip to switzerland a year ago, we took our time and where possible we picked hotels with chargers or very close to a charger. And managed to stop to charge around when we'd have a coffee and lunch break so that absorbed a lot of the required stopping time so it wasn't that noticable.
Based on this and similar road trips that I do, a number for work trips where I am on a tight schedule or on occasion they need to be spontaneous, the convenience of filling with petrol is much more convenient. The cost is irrelevant as time wasted is lost income and time. Coffee can be consumed on the go, which is why we have cup holders. A stop to eat and rest is at my convenience, often somewhere much nicer than a filling station (of any type of energy).
I drive long trips around once or twice a year and enjoy features of my EV like great torque, silent cabin, pre-heating/cooling etc. 95% of the year, I don't ever leave home to recharge and get a low peak rate that also gives me cheaper electricity for home use too. If I had two ICE cars I would have had countless trips to fill up that would have outweighed the longer charging stops on the few long trips I do. Never going back to ICE unless forced to. Wouldn't be nearly as keen on them if I had to use public charging at current rates though.
My wife has the Sportage. It’s just OK. Very spongy ride. My Renault Scenic electric is a substantially better car. You stop with electrics when you stop anyway, for lunch, a coffee etc. So just plan charging stops with that. It’s worth pointing out that in reality an electric is much much cheaper to run. For example, I go from Wakefield to Milton Keynes there and back without charging, it costs me £5 on octopus. Went to Leicester and back, £3.
While these tests can be useful, they apply minimally to most people. When I choose a car I base it on my needs 90% of the time, not based on the one holiday a year I go on. I would sacrifice a little extra time and money on my trip to Snowdonia for low running costs the rest of the time. I understand the limitations of my car and plan accordingly.
The stuff about the difference between the Tesla built-in route planning and charging vs the Peugeot is interesting. Id like to see a comparison of more brands systems and alternative apps like ABRP etc as i think its a big deciding factor. Good video.
Instead of doing these long trips that we know the EVs do not shine at yet, why not do a month of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time?
Results will be unreliable as it will be heavily dependent on the amount of traffic + area you live, etc.
@@waduhek2568as is this because it is a single trip and so charger use and availability varies every day too.
@@waduhek2568 Very easy to change your tariff to something like Intelligent Octopus Go though. Not really an excuse.
Because EVangelists insist that it's easy to do 1000 mile journeys just as easy as an ICE car.
@@sargfowler9603 It is very easy in a Tesla. And way cheaper than an ICE.
Plenty of Americans doing 3,000 mile trips no issues.
I'm not surprised that there isn't much savings for road tripping, as EV public charging is expensive. The big savings with driving an EV are from home charging.
An in maintainance and so on...
If he'd got an Ionity passport for £10.50 for the month, he'd pay 37p a kWh which would have made his trip cheaper at £137.37 and any other away from home charging using Ionity for the rest of that month would have been at the lower rate. but also the figure would be lower as you'd charge to 100% before you left at 7p a kwh or less.
@@davids.6671
Not really that still have servicing.
The only maintenance difference is engine oil
In Europe around 50% of the people don't have acces to home charging, so this isn't so ridiculous to do.
@@Robert-cu9bm Really? no spark plugs, timing belts? transmission fluids? fuel pump? etc? Only Engine oil is news to me.
10 stops for the tesla in 1000 miles. So that works out 100 miles per charge!! There is something wrong going on here. There is no way a Tesla will only go 100 miles then need a charge, and I'm a diesel car driver!
a lot of the charges were not full charges if you watch the full video they comment that it was only filled to 60% and a lot of the stops would to eat etc.
We did uk to Spain...in fewer stops.. in a Tesla... seems video is skewed...
I wanted to do the same trip from London to Murcia, do you think it will be possible if I use the non toll roads?@@Grumps-u5jj
@@gathonar read it again he said AVERAGE
Cant be right can it. Stopped 3times on the way there so 7on the way back 😂
10 stops ? How on earth did you manage to stop that many times?
Yep. That doesnt make any sense, relative to the Peugeot.
Weak bladder ?? 😊
That is probably partly because the Tesla route optimizes for speed and wil do charge stops from within 25% and 75%.and will often only charge about 40% of charge in about 15-20 mins. Even then 10 stops is a lot for only 1000 miles starting with 300 miles of charge. But also driving much less efficient in the Tesla than the Peugeot is weird. Suspicious even.
Such a trip should be possible in 4 stops if you plan for a couple longer lunch stops charging from about 10% to 90%.
@@AlbertZonneveld Agree It's nonsense - I do a regular trip of 567 miles (1334 miles return) from my home near Sydney to Melbourne, I only have a standard range LFP car with a small battery - it only takes 2 x 20-25 min stops in each direction to do this trip. It's takes less time in my EV than my ICE car becuse I always stopped to eat and use the bathroom at least twice in my ICE car for a minimum 20min as well but instead of having to fill and move the car before I go inside I just plug in.
@@TB-up4xi good point! This is often missed when people think of how to travel with electric cars. I always stop close to chargers when I get a coffee and I plug in just in case it’s a long wait. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. And when we do stop to eat, I also plug it in. I love, just love not having to ever get in line for gas, pump the gas in the cold, go pay or struggle with the pay pass, tell everybody to meet me on the other side of the gas station, rather than do it with me, and then go from there. It’s not about time. It’s about a sane way to travel in my opinion. And keep in mind that I drive a fairly slow charging Kia Niro. I do kind of regret that part of the purchase, but otherwise it’s all fine and good.
At 7:07 how are you complaining about getting 150 kw charging instead of 250 kw when you went to a V2 supercharger which maxes out at 150 kw instead of a V3.. If you had used just some basic on screen navigation you would have been able to reach a further SC instead of stopping at 35% and you would have been able to select a V3. I know they meant to test the “as is” experience but Tesla owners are used to driving beyond the navigations conservative stops and selecting for V3 over V2 chargers
I have the RWD car and I don’t have a preference for V3 over V2 unless I can see the V2 on my route is busy which means power sharing.
If have made the trip from Switzerland to the north of England in both a Tesla Model 3 and Y a number of times over the last 5 years. The car plans the route and recharge stops for you. The biggest problem is not the car, but my bladder, as driving more than 3 hours at a go requires a stop.
I did a 3500km trip in May this year and frankly it was so undramatic, it’s hardly worth making a video like this one…
And for the other 361 days of the year your eCar begins every morning with a full tank, never pays at a charger, leaves clean air in its wake, reduces noise pollution, needs servicing only on blue moons and it’s toasty-warm, inside, and ice-free, outside, on those “brass monkey” mornings.
All for a few quid extra on your power bill at the end of the month.
Like mostly any EV., thumbs up.
That my be true buy what about the good points.
So does my phev
@@S.J7777 Great!
@@S.J7777 a phev is a jack of all trades but master of none, lugging around 2 power trains reduces boot space and adds weight
10 stops for 1,000 miles ! - seriously. Everytime you guys do an EV test like this its just full of holes
Yeah, quie surprise with the stops all 160km. Usually you do 300-350km, 1 short stop of 10mn, again 1-1h30 of driving then lunch or dinner or hôtel break. So this 2 break for 500km. 1600km, this 6-7 stops max... ah I realize that it was the e3008...
@@jeanbaptistelabellethe E3008 can do more than 300 kms in one charge, so no.
@DanRyzESPUK yeah I think they could definitely made in easily in the 3008 with 8 stops. But the e3008 consumes significantly more at highway speed than the Tesla
they are just successfully impersonating
the average overly dumb ICE driver
cluelessly driving EVs!
It's not a hole, it's horses for courses.
Yeah if you wanna do your trip all in one hit an EV isn't for you but the last time I did that distance all in one hit I got out of the car in pain. So if you are like me and need to stop every couple of hundred miles the an EV is ideal but for many doing 200+ miles in one hit isn't ideal anymore.
Charging 10 times for a 1000 mile trip is ridiculous on a car with a range over 300 miles! That’s through choice not necessity. You could very conservatively charge every 200 miles and halve the charging time!
Also there’s no way you wouldn’t charge overnight as an EV owner so you’d pick a hotel with a charger or one very close to a charger.
Does highlight though how ridiculously high prices public charging is… complete rip off
@@leemitchell3302 still a lot of time charging! And what a nonsense, with an EV car having to decide a refill strategy!! ICE car will do 500 miles and take minutes to refill to a 100%
@@markgt894 Yeah but 99% of domestic trips are not over 200 miles , let alone 630 miles ...so it's a pointless debate.
@@markgt894it really isn’t though because you’d charge during toilet and food stops.
The guy in the Kia even said he would have made more stops in normal circumstances (where he would have charged if in an EV).
So in normal circumstances you’re not really adding that much more stationary time than when driving an ICE car… unless you’re happy driving 4/5 hours without a break! I’m personally not
@@leemitchell3302 people can easily drive for 3-4hours. You then get fuel and swap drivers.
@@Gdank72 even then, EV cars are more expensive than ICE and EVs depreciate like a stone. Many people do at least one or two long journeys a year, an EV would just be a pain especially with kids.
Having owned EVs for 5 years, I'd say it's pretty rare to go away for 3 nights and not charge once overnight. That charge is usually less expensive and will get you to full as well. The overall result isn't too surprising though. EVs are much better for 99% of your journeys and I think this test has showed it's not too painful if you want to use it for a trip. I think petrol cars are becoming less compelling all the time. This is their only use case now.
Well said. You don't buy a car for 2% of your journeys. You buy it for the 98% of normal life journeys. Charging on night rates make it phenomenally cheap to run
Agreed. This would be a once a year journey for most people. I think I could sacrifice a couple of hours once or twice a year for the overall benefit of an EV.
@@brummiesalteno-81 like many, we have done (Kia eNiro) and it’s been brilliant over the last 3 years. I’ve done some long trips, the longest being 560 miles in a day in the UK. It was straightforward and not hugely different to an Ice car. Charging while we were eating, not running it flat then charging. If it was a Tesla it would have been even more straight forward.
Also have stopped at hotels that had free charging so didn’t cost anything to charge up overnight.
Some folk live in their own little world🙄 lucky if you don’t need to travel any distance to see family, weekends away, or U.K. holidays. Even if I holiday abroad, the airport is further than the range away.
Never seen free charging places at hotels I stay at! Same cars occupy all night! Who’s getting up at 3am to move their car? Infrastructure needs to improve big time.
What a load of nonsense! 10 stops to do 1000 miles in the Tesla. Did the driver have a weak bladder? I regularly do 250 miles trips on a single charge in my Model 3. If you guys want to report on EVs - learn how to drive them.
And how long to charge to 100% when nearly depleted to max range?! An ICE takes minutes to get to 100%
@@markgt894200 miles of range, 10-80% takes around 30 min. Some of us don’t want to pollute towns and cities whilst driving
@@markgt894 Does an ICE recharge at home with 10 seconds of your time to plug it in? Does it start every day with a full tank, such that you don't need to *think* about range or refueling in day-to-day driving?
@@markgt894 the EV will be charging whilst doing something else, eating dinner etc, whereas a dinosaur car would be sat there just taking up space while the driver is eating
@@markgt894 You only charge to 100% if you are 250 miles to next charger, or you are clueless, or not smart enough to search on how to charge an EV while traveling.
Can’t believe they didn’t mention the autopilot feature of the Tesla! We did a road trip from North England to Paris earlier this year, the Tesla basically just drove it self! That level of comfort is priceless!
I'd sell mine if it didn't have autopilot, fantastic for long trips
@@Twin.motors 110%! Chances are when I have to renewal the lease next year, it'll be another Tesla for that very reason, just a shame they are not as much fun to drive as a small ICE sports car (my previous care was an RS3) - but the Model Y is super practical!
@@charliedingMay I ask how you find the handling and more importantly the ride quality, please?
@@jgogl9791I have the Model Y performance - Handling is not great, very heavy car and compared to previous cars I've had (BMW 340i, VW Golf R, Audi RS3) it's no where near as fun. I never think about taking the Model Y Performance out for a drive on the weekends, I'm not excited to get into it. The ride quality is very similar to the previous cars I've had, if you have come from performance cars with stiff dampers, you won't mind, but if you have come from a more comfortable car like Range Rover or Audi A5, you'll hate it! The speed is amazing, there are almost no other car that can beat the Model Y performance off the line - 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds! For long journeys, the Tesla is amazing, I used to dread driving long distance on my previous cars, but in the Model Y, it's amazing. To summarise, if you want a super practical family car which is relatively comfortable and still fun-ish to drive, and allows you to put bikes/prams/suite cases in the back, Tesla Model Y performance is perfect, if you want a care to set your heart racing and take out for drives on your own on weekends around Welsh country roads, this is not the car for you! I myself will be getting a smaller sports car as soon as my kids are older!
Whilst I like autopilot it’s not as good as the system my Audi Q5 had. That was less dramatic, more graceful and measured in its application and worked at higher speeds (needed in Germany).
Put the same 3 cars to the test for a week of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time... The cars should be driven together for a fair result. You will be surprised because home charging is much cheaper and the Tesla, unlike petrol cars, is more efficient in urban driving while petrol cars are least efficient in urban driving. The cost of fuel for the petrol car might be 5 times higher than the cost on the electric bill for the Tesla. In this test, the gap will be huge unlike the 1000 mile road trip which favours petrol cars, as we see on the video. Of course electric cars are always cheaper to run...
Also need the same test but for people who don’t have the ability to charge at home (a lot of people will never be able to charge at home)
Very poor planning. Charge while the car is stopped anyway; eating, visiting the facilities etc, and always book a hotel with chargers so you have a full tank in the morning. Slow charging is so much cheaper.
So yet again the Car is forcing you where to stop and stay overnight which can be more expensive again than where you want to stay, so yet more unnecessary cost!
@@damindratell me where you go and where there is no charging facility ??? Because there are pretty much everywhere honestly
@@damindraive not found hotels with chargers any more expensive than without. Did a trip uk to norway last year stayed at hotels that were convenient and two out of the four had chargers (one in their car park one a minutes walk away) didnt notice any price difference. Not that ive done an extensive test or anything but you've just assumed they are because ??
@@Daniel-jm5hd EV= hassle on long journeys.
No freedom with an ev
Pretty much what I expected except the petrol car will need an oil service at some point whereas the two battery cars won't. The single most reason why we don't take our electric car on long trips is the ridiculous energy costs. We charge our car at night for 7p per kwh and here you are paying 87p per kwh. This over pricing has to stop if more of us are going to adopt electric.
I imagine anyone going on a trip like that, is more than likely going to buy subs for Ionity, or Tesla, or both.
This would significantly decrease the price of charging.
Yes 0.39 cents :)
What are you guys doing? I do a semi regular trip from my house near Sydney to Melbourne and return 912km / 567 miles in each direction (1824km/1334 mi round trip) in my 2023 Model 3 RWD - not even the long range just the regular LFP with the small battery.
I only stop 2 times in each direction for late breakfast and early dinner - exactly the same as I used to do in my ICE car - it only takes 2 x 25 min stops to do the 567miles each way - I am charging while eating and using the bathroom - it's actually quicker in my EV than it used to be in my ICE car because I would stop for 20-25 min anyway to eat and use the bathroom but I don't have to fill my car and move it before going inside - just plug it in.
I charge for 8c AUD overnight and leave with a 100% charge and get back with a 15% charge - the first 250 miles and the last 210 miles cost me $6 / £3 in fuel in total and the middle 674 miles cost me an average of $88 / £45
10 stops on a model y long range???
I do believe you should have left your destination with 100% charge as anyone in an EV visiting would leave with the 100% charge. Also many people would not do the 500 mile trip in each direction without toilet and food stops. EV can plugin while driver gets refreshed. I have done an 870 mile trip in my EV and only stop was whilst we ate. Also only cost me £37
Tesla also has sentry mode running to protect your car but it does use some power.
I really don‘t want to hate, but there is absolutely no way, that the Model Y consumes more Energy, than the Peugeot. I own a Model Y Long Range and with 4 Persons and a full Trunk und Frunk i get about 3,1 Miles per kWh in Germany at 135 km/h or 84mph with Cruise Control. When i go skiing, roughly a 1900km Trip, i charge a total of 6 times when starting with 100% and arriving with a nearly empty battery. So lets say 7 times but only 6 times are time relevant. Each charging takes about 20-25 Minutes so in the worst case about 2,5 Hours. I really don‘t know how you achieve these numbers. And for the record, my numbers are from december and driving in Germany and Switzerland in the Mountains.
Yeah that part was a little shocking tbh. Tesla's are very efficient, a Peugeot beating the Y seems highly unlikely but .. I suppose it could be true
Do you also own the Peugeot?
I have done two family holidays from Liverpool to the continent to the continent in a mid spec ID3, both over 1000 miles. They were incredibly easy. I only had one charge per trip where I had to stop longer than the kids did anyway. You DO NOT need a Tesla for eVs to be great. In fact there are quite a few better EVs out there now.
Like what?
You could have charged the peugeot at many tesla superchargers. Even the one you featured at the eurotunnel is open to all cars
Yuh, there are 3 sets of public accessable tesla chargers (6, 8 and 4 stalls) ... and just the charging schedule used is completely idiotic. No overnight charging at any of the hotels.
I own an EV and they are a solution for some and not for others. If you are a heavy mileage person then an EV is deffo not for you. If you do a trip to southern france once a year then the advantages of an EV (home charging convenience, quiet, being able to defrost a car easily in winter :p, cost effective motoring and cutting down tail pipe emissions etc etc) are worth the potential headache once a year, i did a trip to disney which was 500 miles in an ID7 and it took me no longer than it did the year before in my petrol, cos i just charged when i stopped for a wee or for lunch, i only needed one charge to 80%, pointless charging to 100%.
In those circumstances I would probably hire a car for the odd trip to southern France or whatever.
Out of spec would disagree with you. Even in the US EVs aren't that bad for high mileage
Depends on what kind of high mileage.
250 miles a day around the city is huge mileage, you are thinking of long road trips frequently kind of mileage, cause in the first case EVs are way superior.
I'm a heavy mileage person (25k plus per year) and my EV is just fine thanks 😊
@@ewenbruce5851 That is interesting - and encouraging. Can you tell us more about how you manage that?
I drove from Bournemouth to Heswall for the week out in my 2022 Tesla model 3 last month. Charged once on the way up because a passenger needed the loo. Arrived at Trentham with 34%, plugged in, got foot, by the time food arrived the car was on 79% and by the time we finished and pay the bill, it was on 98%.
Arrived in Heswall with 74%.
Drove around Heswall for about a week, had sentry mode on (car's cameras constantly recording) in the Premier Inn carpark and the day before we left, I went to visit a friend in Manchester.
Didn't charge for the entire week in Heswall, despite driving around every day and using sentry mode. Left Heswall with about 19% and arrived at Trafford Centre with 5%. Friend and I got dinner and went into central via the tram. Came back, took my friend back to his house and then navigated back to Trentham to use the supercharger. It was 10pm at this point.
Arrived back at Trentham with 3% after preheating a little bit, charged to 100%. Hit 80% after about 30 mins and 100% after about an hour (was stuck into some netflix). Total cost? £18.34 Because the Tesla charger was £0.24 /kWh at the time I was there.
Drove back to Heswall, woke up in the morning and drove home to Bournemouth. Stopped to see some family in Coventry for 1 hour, there was literally a public AC charger on their street, one of those lamppost things.
Expensive, but ABC (Always be charging) - got our cable out and plugged into this 7 kW charger for £0.40 /kWh and we put 10 kWh in during the just over an hour we were there.
Again, didn't plan to charge there, but why not since it was available, might as well and it would save us having to stop for 2 minutes in Winchester.
Drove home and got there with 20%. I did not need to charge in coventry, it was a waste of money. - £4 I wasted lol.
Total trip cost was £40 in public charging, and nothing in home charging because I was on octopus agile at the time, and I was actually being PAID to charge the car. £1.20 I made total charging up before and after I got home.
So total trip cost was £38.80
In my previous car, a 2012 Diesel BMW X1 it would have cost about £130 and been a worse drive as it only has dumb cruise control. My Tesla has autopilot.
I'd also have to stop for the loo break anyway for the passenger.
If you're doing road trips, Tesla is a no brainer until other networks become cheaper. £0.24 at Tesla for owners or with £8.99 membership. The second cheapest network is Ionity which is £0.43 with membership (£10)
How much is your insurance and how much is depreciation and servicing?
By the time electric gets same taxes as diesel, which it has to as govt has no money to spare, yoj will be buying a diesel again, as you fill it up in five minutes once for the whole trip.
@@willswomble7274 no servicing, and i bought it used lol, deprecation isn’t affecting me as much as
@@benmarr352 not true, I can fill up at home haha why would I go out to waste 5 mins when I can wake up full every night. Also diesel will NEVER be cheaper than electric. I’m charging up for free tonight with octopus lmao
@@iambenmitchell Having lived in a number of countries where diesel is sild at or at least near cost - and looking at the foolish power generation policies in the UK - we will wait and see - enjoy your car while you can, you may be one of the very, very few who doesn't switch back, but then, hey some people bought Allegros
You could charge at superchargers with the Peugeot...
At some but not all of them, also they said in the beginning they would drive as the satnav told them to test it.
@@Isamu101390% of Tesla superchargers in France are open to all.
Very interesting test guys. I’m in the US and have done ~10000km in road trips and my cost per mile doing similar speeds was only ~15% better than the Tesla model Y. Hearing that you can pay 79p/ USD $0.99 per kWh in the UK is outrageous. In the US it ranges from $0.30 (OR,WA) to $0.65 in CA, although a realistic average around the country would be ~$0.43 per kWh. Electricity prices at public EV chargers have to come down for widespread adoption in my view to offset the extra time compared to a gas vehicles.
Electricity cost will not go down for superchargers as the roads do need repairs and the electric grid does need lots of investments. In Europe at least, much of the gas/diesel price is tax because of that, EV road electricity has to compensate for that and pay its share to maintain the infrastructure.
@@ContraVsGigi Agree with the road usage charge and that is still a black hole in the US as Interstate and a large part of State Hwy Funding comes from gas taxes. BEV's currently pay nothing and that will have to change. I'm not sure whether for instance Tesla Supercharger rates have any road tax included, I have not heard anything to that effect. What happens though when the effective price of electricity goes below zero, as happens now in CA between 1000-1400 during summer. Grid battery storage is going to change everything in the next 5 years as it starts to vacuum up all that excess electricity, putting further pressure on rates outside the above times. Home batteries will add to this as well.
@@joebullwinkle5099 That below zero cost will be gone as there is no real free lunch. No investor will want to produce more electricity and give it for free (or even pay for that), they will find ways to either produce less or sell it somewhere else. Much of the prices are kept lower than what they should also because of the federal, state and local subventions (all sorts of them). And there is more, for instance VW was forced to build thousands of charging areas as a fine in the dieselgate scandal. What I am saying is that the market is not really free in this domain and in time, it should become free and allow itself to be managed by market rules.
Luxury is spending less time refuelling, having more freedom of choice of where and when to stop, and peace of mind. All things I’d happily pay more for, especially on holidays.
Stopping 10 times with the TESLA is just not serious. Neither is the consumption figures, relative to the Peugeot. Unless you drove with all four windows open and a roof rack ?
Wonder which oil company sponsor Whatcar?
Why does the trip planner for the Tesla show just 2 stops for the outward trip? That's 4 or a maximum of 5 for the return trip.
Your test has no resemblance to fact unless you can explain why you needed more than twice the number stops that the Tesla planner calculated.
They do say in the video they did stop and charge whilst doing filming and with some charging upto 100%. Anyone with an EV knows it's pointless and a waste of time charging above 80% on fast charging tbh I rarely go above 60% as its quicker driving to another charging stop with lower battery. I'm based up in the midlands and its tell me the same trip will done in 7 charges and only 2 hours and 23 minutes of charging for an extra 240 miles of distance as well. That's with the less efficient model 3 performance
@@dubzfry Which makes their test pointless and unrepresentative
Never had an issue taking a Tesla on the Eurotunnel. The Model Y is 3cm wider than the Kia hence why they allocate the single deck carriage which is used for wider vehicles. I’ve only ever found it about £10 more. Rather that than risk kerbing my wheels on the single deck carriage.
Once again, Tesla is king of BEVs. You cannot beat the leader in BEV technology.
It is fair to allocate part of the maintenance costs of the hybrid to the cost of this trip.
Halfway through the video and no1 mentioned the ease of long drives using the autopilot on the Tesla….. 😂
as a tesla owner i can 100% say Teslas are the best robot car around.
As usual the answer to every EV related question is "Just get a Tesla"
No it isn't, the answer is don't believe the drivel coming from these 3 muppets
Public charging in the uk is rip off.
Tesla is £0.24 / kWh at Trafford at night.
Ionity is £0.43 with membership, and the membership will pay itself off with the first charge. This channel is terrible really, they charge to way too high of a SOC on public charging, and do not use membership, which again, would pay for itself on the first charge.
@@iambenmitchell 90% of our charging is at home, 5hrs off peak at 9pence per kilowatt… it helps take the sting out of using public charging
@@JamsieYT Ours is 7 pence at home (1/7 cost of petrol) and TBH I don't mind spending a 70 pence/kwh, when I'm out and about, if it works reliably when on the few occasions I need them. However 79p/kwh is music to those petrol heads wanting to justify why not to have an EV.
@@gerryparker7699100%
1.Tesla Y is ridiculously overpowered compared to the other two
2.The Peugeot charging time is closer to 7 hours due to waiting to charge.
3.Tesla is the biggest,fastest,cheapest,nicest and cheapest to run.Good stuff
proof that the market is always right : the ONLY electric ev cars that make sense buying are tesla.
Do a life cycle cost of ownership with let's say 280 000km. Initial investment, insurance, maintenance cost, value depreciation, time spent charging on trips, adding gasoline etc.
just to put it out there i did pretty much the same trip in my peugeot rcz this summer which is tuned and did the trip of sensible driving most of the time and did it on £120 worth of super unleaded petrol just over 1000 miles and that was 37-46mpg average and did less than 2 tanks of petrol so real world i had no messing about in my 13 year old car which is also an amazing drive
it's a Peugeot therefore not an amazing drive, you've clearly never driven a decent car
@ you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about, you love driving microwaves so have no clue on what a decent car is you spend your life sat there watching your battery charge lol.
Good price sure but you're comparing 2 different types of vehicles. These were larger SUVs so they'd clearly cost more to run
@@Twin.motors was just an example of another car thats good for a roadtrip. not everyone drives an suv
Nice to see the WhatCar? team dishing out 'love' reactions exclusively for the few complimentary comments in here.
Lots of fair and constructive feedback to be taken from plenty of viewers in the comments. (Many of which are seemingly from well-seasoned EV owners).
Sit up, take note and show (equal) appreciation 👍.
(I'm not expecting a 'heart' reaction 😅.)
I did 2000kms around Norway earlier this year in a Tesla M3LR.
I dont know what to say it was seemless.
Had the hire car company not given me a Tesla i would have said right there and then just give me an ICE car, as i am definitely not faffing about with all the hassle of a non Telsa roadtrip in a foreign country.
Here in Canada I love the charging stops especially going from Sechelt BC on the Sunshine Coast to Vancouver BC (40 minutes on a ferry) to Calgary AB, those charging stops are usually less than 20 minutes and allow us to take in the very beautiful mountain scenery at each stop! I use to travel this none stop in a ICE car, I I am much more enjoy the route, scenery and ease of travel without the drone of the ICE, constant downshifting of the transmission and high rev's through the multiple mountain passes, what a pleasure, never going to ICE again!
I can commute up to 300 miles a day with my 2023 Tesla MY LR and it only costs me 50 cents to charge thanks to my Tesla Electric residential plan. That plan provides unlimited charging for only US $15/month (50 cents a day). Nothing beats the price and convenience of a Tesla and Tesla Electric Unlimited Charging!
How on earth did you manage to stop ten times in 1,000 miles in a long range Tesla? It’s six stops totalling 1hr40min in my M3P!
And M3P is as thirsty as a pig. My brother and I drove a Y LR and a M3P side by side 2000km and the M3P uses so much more energy.
Sorry but these recharges are absolutely ridiculous. Charging takes 10 min max, they are charging to a too high level. I took a 1000 km trip this month. My total charging time was approx. 50min. Most times not enough to go the the bathroom. The used charging strategy is just dumb.
Then there would have been 20 stops to charge.... A 10 min charge would give only 25kwh top up as some of the chargers were only 150kw.
I'm sure in the near future electric cars will charge faster even than it'll take to fill your Petrol tank
@@tochukwuezinwa2122hopefully but until then ice is best and the price need to come right down to less than 10k for like for like
@@JohnnyMQBwhich I'm sure it'll
Same here, went to disney paris in october, its a 500 mile trip and i only charged once in Calais for 28 mins
Whoever edited the "Meanwhile" and "A few moments later" is a COMEDIC GOD!
I’ve taken my early 2020 model 3 from Cambridgeshire to Switzerland and back with 5 adults on board and full of luggage and it didn’t need 10 supercharger stops. Not sure what you were doing there.
October 2024 100% electric car sales up 25%,
Diesel sales down 20%
Petrol sales down 14%
Stop fueling lies about EV ownership and start showing real everyday information.
It’s staggering how much we get ripped off for energy prices in the UK. It’s little wonder the manufactures can’t hit their EV quotas in the UK. Much as I don’t like Mr Musk or particularly care for Tesla’s, the supercharger network is a real achievement. Here we are a decade later and it’s still significantly better than anything else out there.
You cannot beat the leader (Tesla) in BEV technology. They had a headstart on everyone.
For none Tesla EV's don to forget the European created A Better Route Planner, great tool and may actually advise on current charger availability.
In each year it become acceptable for a Car to tell you where to go and how long you should stay there 🤷🤨
Model 3 - Drove to the south of France from the Netherlands.
For some reasons, Tesla is inclined to make frequent topping-up rather than maximizing distance per charge.
Observed 150KW charging as best but often 90KW as well.
Had to wait twice at the Supercharger.
Hated to have to take off the trailer every time, which was frequent because the aerodynamics were screwed.
Other than that, the ride is very good.
Now have a small EV for the Netherlands, which is perfect (as we are a tiny little country) and an old but very well maintained 6 cilinder for everthing far way.
Pfft, plenty of Poles drive their EVs from North England to Eastern Poland. I done it 3 times, no sweat. And i charged 4 times so not sure how those get 10 charges for 1000 miles.
this is the first review that i see someone saying the build quality and materials in the 3008 is bad !!!
peugeot in the last year's have better interiors than the luxury Germans Wtf r u talking about dude
@Anashere_Narrnda you're right, the same guy who said 3008 builds quality was fantastic in his Previous review..
Maybe compare a monthly run of commuting 800 miles. My EV cost me $15 @ 0.08 kw, $45 mo @ 0.25 Kw. My jeep cost me $40 week plus oil changes, which are always a joy.
Doesn’t Tesla’s route planner tell their driver the actual (now) and projected (estimated) stall usage / free stall!?
I have driven a Model Y to La Rochelle from Leicestershire. I stopped twice. Once at the tunnel and once in Le Mans. How did you need 10 stops 🤔
So with an EV, an enjoyable holiday becomes a miserable tour to different charging points. Other cars can easily do the whole trip with 10 to 15 minutes at the petrol station, not hours at a charging station.
you don't eat or use a bathroom then, good for you
Yes, of course a combustion-engined vehicle can do long distances more conveniently by way of 'fuel' stops...
But, combustion-engined vehicles are also polluting the very air you, me and our kids and grandkids breathe, day-in, day-out - causing potentially fatal, chronic asthma and other debilitating respiratory diseases.
At some point, Society needs to make a tough decision - to ban ALL combustion-engined vehicles from our built up, urban spaces where people live and work.
Yes, that's going to create 'inconvenience' compared to what drivers have been used to for the last century - but, it's simply GOT to happen if we want the World's future doctors, nurses, police and fire personnel to have a fighting chance of a healthier life.
I sincerely hope mankind doesn't make the same mistake as it did with allowing leaded petrol to continue to be sold, down to the corporate greed of the Oil Industry, despite the over-60 years of reported cancers and deaths directly attributable to that fuel - and they're still 'pulling-the-strings' of politicians and Governments the world over, with their funding of anti-EV FUD.
Sounds like you don't have kids. Stops are common with a family, petrol or not.
Great film and discussions. Sportage is popular for good reasons. I once drove a rental (with defect parking brake), but its ride and noise deadening impressed.
I commute to work by public transport, our car is only for groceries and travelling. I did a TCO calculation for all types, eventually just bought a ICE car. Next buy will be a hybrid, hybrid got better and cheaper so, we give it a go.. more out of convenience. The high range of hybrid cars is really nice! Even with our current ICE we only fill twice to reach South of France.
Comparing these three cars without mentioning the Model Y is considerably bigger is...just dumb.
The Model Y is 20 cm (almost 8 inches longer).
Also, the Model Y was the only 4WD car in the pack. Had you chosen the Model Y LR RWD, the price would have been 5k lower, the number of charging stop fewer and the price of electricity lower.
They're deliberately trying to paint EVs as bad. It's pathetic.
@ziploc2000 "Don't attribute to malice what can adequately can be explained by incompetence. "
I have a Tesla M3P. I bought it in August and have done 6800km. I do a lot of quite long journeys but have never had to charge it on the public network yet.
Autopilot in the Tesla makes these long drives so relaxing, and so easy.
You guys are getting better at this. Interesting and informative. Well done.
Also, just wondering. The first charge took place while waiting for the Channel crossing. Did you include that time as well? That would not make sense as you had to wait anyway.
omg save me.
its vinyl.
there is no such thing as vegetable tanned skin.
its vinyl
it literally exists as a cheap option to leather
regardless of the odd delusional need for someone to imagine its leather
it exists cause its cheap for the car maker
As much as I like the concept of EV's. I see very little content about the issue of charging, when all cars are EV's (some way down the track) Think of the quantity of chargers that will be needed when EV'a are at 100% Let alone just how much of our planets resources it will take to supply the sheer quantity of materials for every battery (if there is enough). Norway has 50% private EV uptake (excluding commercial & transport) and they are a small country with a total of 2.8M registered private cars (EV and ICE) and they are starting to re-think the reality of EV's. Food for thought! More deep, future thinking & discussion is needed to solve these problems.
Norway is not re-thinking anything
What if this video was just an excuse to go on holiday?
Stopping isnt a bad thing.... i like a break. And charging at home is brilliant.
I think you make a good point. In the UK, unless you have a home charger, it's still more expensive to run an EV over an ICE car. And don't forget insurance, tyres and brakes are more expensive on an EV than an ICE car.
I went from an i30N to Polestar 2. Similar power, but Polestar value almost twice as much. Insurance cost identical, not a penny extra when I swapped cars on insurance. Tyres have already lasted longer than the i30's and only just over half worn. Brakes are barely used because of regenerative braking. Don't believe everything you read in the Telegraph or GB News, they're economical with the truth.
Another pointless test. In the UK 99% of domestic daily use is less than 200 miles. A months test as per @ziploc2000 said is way more important.
And if that's the case get the cheapest electric vehicle available
Also pointless bothering to test economy in cars that cost around £40k. For most people that means buying the car on PCP/Finance - and only people with zero money sense do that. A better EV vs ICE test would be to look at the best all-rounder (daily driver and long-distance runner) you can get on a budget of less than £10k.
Ive done 17000km this year, mostly commuting, ive free electricity on a Sunday, ive a night rate. Ive done 1 long trip (500km). ive spent €120 total.
My wifes golf for the same cost us €1650.
This is the first time I’ve seen a review of an EV where the actual efficiency of miles driven and kW used has been calculated and compared to what the car thinks. I’ve owned a Polestar 2 since 2021 and performed many different range and efficiency tests… why, because the reality of what I can achieve has been so different to the estimated real world figures and anything quoted by the car. Thanks What Car
The 8.8 sec-Stellantis has the same price as the 4.8 sec-Marketleader? How long do they think they can continue this behavior?
Not just that but there is a £4000 cheaper Model Y with MORE range and still has 5.9 seconds
Electric vehicles for local travel and charge at home. I'd still have petrol or diesel I'm under cover when the weather is terrible. See how happy you are when is chucking it down 3 times a day on a long journey 😂😂
ABRP - a better route planner = using ENODE function. You'll know car's SOC and next stops with availability. Tesla like experience. Only downside I found is that connection between ABRP and car (Audi GT) can sometimes stop which is frustrating. No doubt things will improve.
The hybrid only stopped for fuel twice, but how many safety breaks did he take? And how long did those breaks take? Recommendations are in the order of 20 minutes every 2 hours. During the EV recharging sessions, you would also be taking those safety breaks, and doing other necessary things.So the 'delays' are not quite as bad as they seem to be.
Buccees... sorry euros.
This trip proves conclusively that Mum should have a small ICE 5 seater, the family has a Tesla and Dad must keep Jaguar 2 seaters in business!
That can explain it. The maximum allowed flow rate in Canada is 38 liters per minute but can be ( much) lower
We own a house in Charante so make a similar journey. Currently use my diesel Duster, but will be using my partner's EV in future. We have sussed out options - his can use Tesla superchargers as a non Tesla. I just have to question why anyone would use the tunnel from the starting point of this video when they can have a much more pleasant trip on the Portsmouth to Caen ferry. Still a 5 hour drive the other side but you get 6 hours of rest or more on the ferry. Magical.
Teslas have excellent route planning. If you drive a non Tesla EV and do sufficient long journeys, it's worth considering apps such as A Better Route Planner and Tronity, which together provide near real-time updates on charger availability and your car state of charge. I used these successfully for a holiday in the Scottish Highlands this year from my home down South.
Doesn’t take into account so many hotels that have chargers that allow you to wake up with a full tank.
Sorry in the petrol car you were not stationary for 10 minutes over 1000 miles. Not going to disagree about having the choice of where to stop but that smug it takes me 5 minutes to refill my petrol car is daft. You fuel an ev while you do other things not sitting there like a lemon holding a handle on a hose and wondering off to pay
What a woke😂😂😂
@@jamie-hb8gy took me 45 minutes of sitting in trafic to get to morrisons for diesel the other week with traffic for the van last week when i needed to drive in the opposite direction and was fuming. When you're not desperately trying to classify people into arbitrary groups you have probably had similar experiences. The fuel went in in 5 mins though...
1st of all , how much do you spend while you're doing "Other things" that you don't need to do because you've got to fill your time while you wait around charging .
2nd .How long are you waiting at the checkouts waiting to pay for these other things you do while your charging. Invariably it costs more than just charging.
3rd. Most pumps now you can actually pay at the pump !!
Who's the lemon , wasting time they don't need to and spending money they don't have to ?
It does make me laugh how much you extole the benefits of wasting your time under the guise of comfort breaks.
Lets be completely honest , If you're not on your way to where you need to be , you're wasting time . I'd much rather be enjoying what I'm supposed to be doing , where I'm supposed to be doing it ASAP , than doing " other things" because I don't have a choice whether I do them or not.
I get EVs can work but don't try and Glaze people into thinking waiting around charging isn't wasting time or you don't spend money doing it.
@@derekdrummond7544 woke
@@Stepbystep74 what a woke
It's not a real world test tho is it. 48 weeks of the year everyone goes to work and back, does shopping and does local leisure activities in their spare time. The average driver does about 8 miles per day.
This format of comparing EVs to ICE cars is threadbare and deeply flawed
Why not put 5 quid of home charging in an EV and 5 quid's worth of petrol in an ice car and see how they compare.
Nice. But why must you by so critical of the GORGEOUS Peugeot?? The interior is unique and attractive. Better than the plain affair in the Tesla.
When I plan this route, the Tesla needs 7 charges. ( 3 on the way there, 1 at arrival to 100% , and 3 more to get to London ) And every charging session would take 13-17 minutes. So 3hours of charging on a 16 hour roadtrip. Not too bad.
I remember travelling in France in high summer and having difficulty convincing a frenchman that i could charge my non tesla car at the Tesla supercharger but he was getting angier and angrier ... I had issues with my phone being in a foreign country so I gave in and gave the frenchy the charger. So when travelling if you plan to use a tesla supercharger make sure you arent in the rush hour in high summer with a mobile that doesnt work!
Seriously, how did you "need" to stop and charge a Model Y TEN TIMES (!!!) in 1000 miles? There was lots of EV user malpractice going on in your test. You used them like they were rental cars that you didn't know how to get the best out of - vs. experienced EV owners.
Tesla chargers are great I used them on my trip to scotland, 630mls ea way, my first time doing a ling trip in my Skoda Enyaq and first ever time doing that trip in an EV.
Cost me about the same as doing it in my 09 Grand PissCrapso.
But
I felt so much more relaxed, more stops meant for a more relaxing drive as i wast pushing.
I'm a petrol head and I'll not be going back to ICE unless its something with a V8.
The enyaq beats all my previous cars apart from maybe my A6 Quattro.
I'm not saying it's perfect and getting your head around the charging is a big learning curve.
And the icing on the cake is umph, it has so much and delivers anytime you ask for it, overtaking anywhere is a breeze, pulling onto motorways etc is a doddle.
But if you're a bit of a techophobe don't get an EV, you need lots apps on you're phone, but i think thats for a lot of modern cars.
Hey 😡
Where is diesel contender?!
Think the only thing would be the anxiety of getting to a charging area and it being full knowing you had to get to the le shuttle to get home and trying to work out the queue.
when we did a trip to switzerland a year ago, we took our time and where possible we picked hotels with chargers or very close to a charger. And managed to stop to charge around when we'd have a coffee and lunch break so that absorbed a lot of the required stopping time so it wasn't that noticable.
Based on this and similar road trips that I do, a number for work trips where I am on a tight schedule or on occasion they need to be spontaneous, the convenience of filling with petrol is much more convenient. The cost is irrelevant as time wasted is lost income and time. Coffee can be consumed on the go, which is why we have cup holders. A stop to eat and rest is at my convenience, often somewhere much nicer than a filling station (of any type of energy).
I drive long trips around once or twice a year and enjoy features of my EV like great torque, silent cabin, pre-heating/cooling etc. 95% of the year, I don't ever leave home to recharge and get a low peak rate that also gives me cheaper electricity for home use too. If I had two ICE cars I would have had countless trips to fill up that would have outweighed the longer charging stops on the few long trips I do. Never going back to ICE unless forced to. Wouldn't be nearly as keen on them if I had to use public charging at current rates though.
My wife has the Sportage. It’s just OK. Very spongy ride. My Renault Scenic electric is a substantially better car.
You stop with electrics when you stop anyway, for lunch, a coffee etc. So just plan charging stops with that.
It’s worth pointing out that in reality an electric is much much cheaper to run. For example, I go from Wakefield to Milton Keynes there and back without charging, it costs me £5 on octopus. Went to Leicester and back, £3.
4:23 HOT DAMN the ferry runs an insane clearance on that bridge, just a few meters off and it would be MANSCAPED XD
While these tests can be useful, they apply minimally to most people. When I choose a car I base it on my needs 90% of the time, not based on the one holiday a year I go on. I would sacrifice a little extra time and money on my trip to Snowdonia for low running costs the rest of the time. I understand the limitations of my car and plan accordingly.
The stuff about the difference between the Tesla built-in route planning and charging vs the Peugeot is interesting. Id like to see a comparison of more brands systems and alternative apps like ABRP etc as i think its a big deciding factor. Good video.