Debate - EconoBoi VS Andrew Wilson BPF - Gender & Trans Issues
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Its always ridiculous how the gender confused person is presumed to possess omniscience about the entire subject of gender.
Exactly.
1:38:16 mm njammy spear that nose stuff all over your lips and beard.
Haha yes they don’t allow others to talk on such a matter.
Econoboi got absolutely demolished. He was so far out of his league trying to argue with Andrew. Lol
He sounds low T
A gay man is attracted to and has sex with a transman who has a vagina, is he still homosexual or is he now heterosexual?
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"Every. Single. Time."
@@lucascoval828is econoboy Jewish? That would explain it.
econoboi is definitely SOYboy
Econoboi has literally lost his mind. He is borderline insane.
It’s how young people have been programmed unfortunately.
His cadence is aped directly from destiny, that's why it's so annoying and punchable
@@alexp2557 o, its not just me. lol
@@alexp2557ugh... same with NotSoErudite. It's like they take a class on "how to sound and debate exactly like Destiny."
So pathetic. No personality of their own. Just "Destiny clones."
not 'borderline'
Econoboi is being irrationally and obtusely argumentative. He refuses to define terms. He can’t because his arguments would be inconsistent. Andrew with a very easy W.
Sophistry at its finest.
Definitions are bigoted because they exclude things from their category.
A key thing that's broken with econobois position that andrew didnt nail him on is that he seems to consider a reconstructed fake penis made from forearm meat IS a real penis, or that a reconstructed front hole IS a real vagina.
They aren't.
For real. One is a hole thats the aftermath of mutilation and the other is a life like fleshlite.
It’s delusional. There are over 10,000 BIOLOGICAL differences between males and females. Leftists are insane
Dr's say it's easier to dig a hole than to build a pole. 😂
Funny when he said a lesbian going down on a post op dude i immediately thought "yeah the chick with a real vagina definitely thinks whatever it is that she is licking is also a real vagina for sure" hahahaha
Why hasn't this video blown up yet! Andrew absolutely destroyed this guy! 😂
He didn't, he struggled quite a bit here and I say this as a fan of the guy.
"That's a nice red chair"
"Whaddya mean by nice?whaddya mean by red?Whaddya mean by chair?!"
How do these people even make it to the bathroom in the morning?!
"well I could see a situation where over time the color fades and the chair is actually pink" Bro I know mental gymnastics gets thrown around a lot but that's like Olympic gold medalist level. 😂
Andrew should have asked, instead of "woman", "your mother" walked up to you and said "I'm a man".
If a male who is attracted to females and only has sex with females who have female parts can still be gay if they "feel" gay, then they term "gay" has absolutely no meaning.
He doesn’t even know it but His position is that all words have no meaning basically
Yeah like all the twinks with this position it boils down to everything is socially constructed and nothing is real
Race is 100% real we quite literally have DIFFERENT hominid ancestors. It’s NOT a “social construct”. Not even a little bit.
It's hard to argue against someone who says, "A dog is a winged biped."
They're just using a different definition for "dog" in an attempt to render any conversation about dogs impossible.
It’s always baffling how people like Econoboy still appeal to some vague sense of shared reasonableness.
“What’s the definition of a car!”
*Defines car*
“I asked you to define a vehicle”
THIS DUDE KEEPS LYING
SUD - substance use disorder is considered a treatable mental disorder according to the National Institute of Mental Health. Andrew’s wrong on this point. And, a gay man attracted to and having sex with a transman with a vagina, is he now heterosexual or still homosexual?
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For some reason I enjoy debates more when Tom moderates. And somehow he has upgraded his moderating by adding mine minecraft game play. 🎮
One of the biggest demolition jobs I have seen by Andrew
The entire debate is ridiculous. Enono can't even stay consistent
This guy talks in exactly the same manner as KnobheadNaomi.
It is insane how “educated” this generation supposedly is yet they can’t even define what a woman is.
This was brutal.
Hypothetically: If I was selling drugs to a deep undercover cop, would that make me a cop or the cop a drug dealer? 😵💫
Your hypothetical would work better if you were the one that was buying the drugs off the deep undercover cop then that would make the cop both a police officer and a drug dealer so he would be the criminal and the police officer at the same time.
Even better if one of you is a police officer with the FBI deep undercover in the other one of you was a narcotics police officer and one was selling drugs to the other that makes both cops both of them are drug dealers / drug buyers and police officers at the same time
💯🎯
I think you got it wrong here, if you we're an undercover cop selling drugs the you would be a cop and drug dealer simultaneously
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I think that you seed too much of the argument when you agree to the terms sex assigned at Birth. Those are Buzz words for people to explain how somebody put sex on you when you were born not that you were born with a specific set of characteristics that classify you into one of the two binary sex categories. It is a self-refuting category to say sex assigned at Birth when if later you can choose to be of the other sex therefore you weren't assigned to the proper sex. Doctors don't assign sex, they recognize secondary sex characteristics and report that observation. Any more than a bank teller assigns you a bank balance, they observe your account activity and report the objective fact that you are broke. And you can't self identify as a millionaire if you don't objectively have a million dollars in money or assets.
Only nitpick I got is letting bpf run rough shod, econo has come along way but hes still pretty mild comparably.
I agree with him. Being gay has to be what primary sex characteristics you find attractive. It isn't a matter of genetics. So finding a man who appears outwardly as a female attractive doesn't make you gay.
I've never seen someone get so destroyed in a debate in my whole life , econoboi had no idea what he was getting himself into lmao
Thankful for people like Andrew who refuse to be bullied and are able to pull apart these 🐂💩 ideologies that pseudo-intellectuals take pride in.
Econoboi lives in lala land if he thinks there is no political pressure to change definitions and classifications of these protected classes
Remember when people used to name medical conditions after cool mythology like chimaeras, instead of commie euphemisms.
It’s not a conspiracy. It is direct testimony
Yo is eco trans??? Tf..
He might as well be.
Andrew picked on the poor boy who doesn’t understand words
Andrew tossing this guy’s word salads
Tom. Your ability to be focused on the game while perfectly interjecting as a moderator is very impressive
Oooooo! When they get into how crazy transgender ideology can go, it really shows its craziness
Econoboi got fn annihilated so bad hahahaha. Anyone that listed to that propaganda and makes any sense is mentally absent from any logic. Period. Just period
Protect Andrew at all cost ..
I didnt know god was real until I watched Andrew destroy a panel of degens with pure based logic
@@MarioEstevez-re1us how did you come to the conclusion that God is real from watching andrew
@@shraboudishiabaoudi872keep watching brother. You’ll find him
At the 45:00 the way he just can’t imagine a world in which mild adhd would go unmedicated might be a clue into why they are the way they are. Probably heavily medicated as a kid.
Where did this sickness come from & a total willingness to discard reality???
The affirmative goes first in a debate... not the "challenger"
They both have affirmative positions. So then it goes to the challenger.
WAY too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate sex/gender (There are 2 male/female that's it) with gender roles (These are social constructs refer to the roles of males and females in society), and personality traits and temperament (There are a ton, and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), as though they're synonymous and interchangeable-- and they are Not.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or fashion/costume.
There is no internal feeling that is exclusive to men or women (or boys/girls), what makes anyone a man or a woman is being either male or female and reaching adulthood. Their sex and stage of physical maturity makes them men or women, not some "feeling" they have.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Ever heard of the word 'brevity'?
Secular religion
He is not saying it was due to political pressure…the president of the APA said it.
It is fucking INSANE how NONE of these people are capable of answering a yes or no question!! They have to go on a fuckin rant to salvage any resemblance of intelligence.
Hahahaha
Andrew seri diss agrees she says chemical addiction is a mental illness. 🤷🏻
Sex/Gender is a specific thing. It's established at conception and is observed and documented at birth or before.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
How are you assigned sex at birth? I was unaware the doctors decided for me and not my unique DNA.
Gender is established at conception and is observed and documented at birth or before
@@zachman5150 you are not assigned it. You are either born male or female.
I noticed that throughout as well. These are the same people who talk about "the separation of sex and gender," conflating the two constantly.
@@AdelaiNiskathey will say sex and gender are different, and then say that gender is gender identity, which isn't a gender, but an identity.
'Sure!'
Wow...these two were really bad at debating.
Williams Larry Lopez John Taylor Mark
Genitalia is a Primary biological characteristic (Not a secondary characteristic)
Martinez Jennifer White Susan Martinez Anthony
Dude is playing minecraft not even paying attention, wow
So if a gay man finds himself attracted to Buck Angel, he's no longer gay, yeah makes total sense
Homosexual.
Homo- same
Sexual...
I mean shit this is kindergarten stuff.
The thing is. We know you understand all of this just fine. We know that you are trying to lie and lie so much that you create reality
We also know it's not going to work.
It would be gay to be attracted to buck angel. But if a dude had sex with buck, it wouldn't be homosexual sex.
So if someone has sex with someone underage who looks over 18?
Homosexuality is when two men have sex
Male on male/female attraction is bisexuality
If he's attracted to HER box and he sleeps with HER because he's looking past HER male characteristics, then YES.
Your comment wasn't the gotcha you thought it was. FAIL.
Apparently if a woman sleeps with her husband after all of his outward gender characteristics are burned off, I GUESS SHES A-SEXUAL!
According to you!
HAHAHA!!
Also, what if the man blind is paralyzed and Buck Angel used a voice changer to sound like a woman and wrapped "his? Box" hahahaha On his dong. I guess hes still gay.
HAHAHAHA
Your arguments are pathetic.
Im sorry, but if your stomach is filled with man paste, thats the most gay thing you can do. I dont care if he looks like megan fox.
The fact remains you still banged a man, regardless if you thought it was a woman.
The fact remains, genitalia are the strongest indicators of biological reproduction. ALL sexual dimorphic indicators (outward markers) they ALL have to do with reproduction. This has been proven repeatedly with meta analysis.
Im sorry that facts disagree with you, and FACTS aren't going to be tricked into believing you're a woman just because you wear a dress. Facts arent going to change just because you want to be treated like something YOU AREN'T.
So, being attracted to a man because of his beard is less gay than having a stomach full of his seed. Yeah i dont think so.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Did he say fashion dictates ur gender lol but he says gender is a social construct.....
Fashion is a social construct not gender
Both is social construction, you fool hahaha
@@lezlibarrett1453 gender is an observation of something that already exist not a social construct.....idk why Im telling u that like u don't already know 😒
@@Sensei.shonuff you have fumble the ball sir, gender only exists in society,so by logic it self it is a social constructs ,and if so tell me why your wrong .
Is it normal to shit on the moderator as an irrelavant channel in your opening lmao wtf
This was an interesting case in psychology. One sane person (Andrew) arguing with two deluded millenials, that have slurped up woke bull tweet.
"what does homo mean?" BPP is a linguistic realist, he seems to think words have INTRINSIC MEANING, inscribed in the cosmos
Well he is correct to say "homosexual" stops making sense if it's not one sex. I think it makes sense to say homosexual is one who is with the same sex and gay is one with the same gender.
@@TomFooleryShowno...because the argument is that gender is socially constructed. You can't be attracted to a social construct. You can only be attracted to men or women. Aka only attracted to same SEX or opposite SEX.
@@TomFooleryShow Ok so a totally straight man could be attracted to Buck Angel? Sorry, but if a man is attracted to Buck, I wouldn't say he's totally straight. If a woman was dating Blaire White society would see them as LESBIANS, as GAY WOMEN and they would be treated as such. It would be weird AF to see Blaire White dating a woman and call them a "heterosexual couple". For me heterosexual in that sense loses all meaning. I think it serves more social utility to just say, "Yeah they are homosexual couple" I don't see they would be heterosexual in any way that's meaningful at that point. It's just like insisting on calling trans women "male", is a trans woman really male in any way that matters? So yeah I do think there is a HUGE social aspect to being gay just beyond genitals. A gay man doesn't have to see another man's genitals to be attracted to him... usually a gay man would be attracted to another man via things like, facial structure, facial hair, social presentation, etc....
@@jonnaking3054 BPF is right about going after the language, The Lefts #1 weapon is the manipulation of language, and thats why its so important to pin them down on the language. I mean transgenderism is literally just the perversion of language it's pretty insane. ultimately I would keep every trans debate on language and I wouldn't budge. I would dissect the word gender until I got the concession that gender makes no sense definitionally.
@@jonnaking3054so you're just basically inventing your own definitions to words, based on how you specifically would like to use them. You can do that if you want, but at least be honest about it and admit that's what you're doing.
Woman:1. the gender that is GENERALLY associated with the female sex. 2. Someone who wants to be treated the way members of the female sex are generally treated
No. Andrew's definition is the only one
And what if someone wants to be treated as other things that they aren't? Like what if a male wants to be treated the way dogs are treated? Should we affirm that and now consider them dogs?
Number 2 makes no sense since it doesn’t result in objective reality and can result in men self identifying as woman to prey on woman
"Woman:1. the gender that is GENERALLY associated with the female sex."
1.Thats phobic.
2. Based upon THE MAN in your picture, Im not surprised you'd define it this way. I mean given how many of you "love" kids. I mean little girls can be women too, apparently. Young females are not "women." Right off the gate you don't know what you're talking about. A girl is not a woman.
3. Given the fact that there are an unknown number of genders mixing the word "gender" and linking it to even a type and associating it to "woman" Is too vague. ESPECIALLY given the inclusiveness nature of the concept of "gender." Also, this definition only applies to a social construct that does not have ANY useful objective delineation. Why is this a problem? Because definitions define and without anything to objectively point to in REALITY its not defined at all. If you cant point to what those "generally associated properties" are, then its not a useful definition.
Now onto your hilarious 2nd definition.
Toaster: Someone who wants to be treated the same way an appliance are generally treated.
Cow: Someone who wants to be treated the same way other bovine are generally treated.
I think its funny how you dont think this is a problem.
Definitions are meant to define what something is, to "specify".
This definition amounts to a things ontology being based upon a persons feelings. "i feel like i want to be treated like a cow, therefore i am one."
The kind of insanity that is, is awesome.
It amounts to all kinds of neat definitions.
"Brown." The color, that is GENERALLY associated to the shade of brown. 2. A color that someone feels like it should be called.
HAHAHA
Here's the correct definition. Woman: An adult human female that in principle has the ability to produce offspring. In principle means "relating to the definition of", NOT relating to particular circumstances. So an apple with a worm in it, is still an apple. In the same way, a sterile woman who cannot produce kids is still a woman, because in principle shes still a woman.
Hold the L.
A tree, like a man, is known by its fruit.
Econoboi's refusal to engage with anything Andrew says is infurriating. Obnoxious individual
Andrew wins but I hate that this is even a debate. Our society is lost boys.
When someone opens their argument with an ad hom it shows how weak they are as a debater. Emotional people will loose or rage quit a debate
Lol. Going to the hospital to treat a cold is a mental disorder because its worthy of clinical intervention. 😂
ADDICTION IS PHYSIOLOGICAL