@@GsMultiverse It is good that someone is spreading awareness of the available options, the more people accept Linux the more companies may think of Linux users when designing software/hardware. This wallpaper enjoyment could be a bit of a meme, careful as memes can yield unintended consequences... Like wishes from genies. 🧞♂️
That's a good, safe practice. IMO, it's not necessary for minor releases, as minor releases are really generally just update snapshots. Major releases have full version upgraded packages, which are more likely to have bugs, and it is good to wait.
NVIDIA MAY WELL GOTO HELL. WE CHANGED THREE BOXES TO RYZEN: ZERO ISSUES, NO STRANGE DRIVERS, ALL BAKED IN THE KERNEL AND OARKED THE NVIDIA MACHINES. IT'S AMAZING WHAT NVIDIA DID; THE DO NOT DESRVE ANYTHING BUT THEIR OWN CRAP! MINT IS GREAT. CHEERS AND HEPPY NEW YEAR. CALCUTTA ? BEEN THERE, DONE THAT. AN AMAZING PLACE!
I'm full AMD on my desktop and Intel with iGPU only laptop (next laptop will be all AMD). But, I hear that Nvidia open source drivers have improved very recently so I think they will eventually get there. But I went full AMD for Linux.
The frustration is real but good news on that front is work is being done to integrate Nvidia drivers into the kernel. We're not quite there yet but I'm hopeful.
I like MATE for the nostalgic appeal, when i started using Linux in the early 2000s. But Cinnamon offers a lot more functionality, without taking up a lot more resources. I don't see a benefit to using MATE anymore.
Love this! This must be a beta - Mint 21.3 isn't out yet officially. I'm surprised this uses an older kernel than my current LMDE 6 install which is older than 21.3. I'm on kernel 6.1 right now. 5.15 isn't that ancient though. Unless you have brand new hardware you'll be fine with 5.15. Generally when it comes to the kernel especially, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. For any new users out there specifically. If you're a nerd or a tinkerer like me, go nuts. 😁
You're right. It is a beta. The kernel is older since it's based on Ubuntu LTS. And I guess Debian 12 has 6.1. You're right, if you're not a gamer or someone who knows they need a newer kernel, then you're absolutely good to go. You can update the kernel from the update manager, or you can just download Linux Mint (Edge) which provides a much more recent kernel like Pop OS does. The kernel also keeps upgrading in the Edge variant.
@@GsMultiverse Yes you're absolutely right, Debian 12 has a reasonably new kernel, for the time being at least. Kinda funny how LMDE has an edge (pun intended) over LMUE. for now at least. 😁 The LM Edge variant is very nice to have for a variety of cases for sure. Good that it keeps upgrading those non-LTS kernels though, I was worried you'd have to keep micromanaging that, as you never want to be on an EOL kernel. Curious though about the 6.5 kernel you showed, as it showed as still supported under Linux Mint, but Wikipedia shows it as EOL, replaced by 6.6 now. Idk which one is accurate haha.
Hehehe, yeah the last thing I'd wanna do is micromanage. Update manager had a ton of updates that I didn't apply. Maybe if I updated it would show the option for 6.6? No idea tbh.
@@GsMultiverse That could be it. Very good idea to always run all updates on a fresh install before proceeding to do anything else. Else you'll risk doing what LTT did and nuke their entire desktop environment just to get Steam installed hehe.
I tried Manjaro KDE on my laptop and initially it was great, but then wonky stuff started happening like having packages I explicitly installed being removed due to dependency issues. I now use Debian MATE on my laptop, and continue to use LM/LMDE Cinnamon on my desktop. Never been happier. No hate to the Manjaro team, but if anyone is wanting an Arch experience, just learn how to install and (micro)manage a vanilla Arch system. That said if someone tries Manjaro and loves it, more power to you!
@soulstenance Tons of instances where I've heard the same happening. At the end of the working day, when I just wanna get things done on my computer, Mint would be the way to go. Or use an immutable Arch desktop like Steam OS which isn't available yet (Holo OS is) but that has been the most stable Arch Distro by a mile and a half.
@@GsMultiverse Agreed, Mint is one of the best "just works" distros out there. Steam OS is the best and only Arch based distro I use daily. Granted making it immutable locks down most of the power of Arch - great for the Steamdeck where you mostly just want to play games, less great for a desktop where you want to use Arch to its fullest potential.
@@GsMultiverse The Steamdeck is by leaps and bounds the best console ever released to date, and I'm not just saying that because it runs Linux. It is really good - not perfect, but nothing is.
For stable serious work: Mint/debian or fedora for servers : debian rocky or alpine for testing learning : debian or arch (probably nix too) for low level linux learning : LFS ( idk about gentoo) what other distros could be good too ? imo those are all the distros needed, the rest are almost skins on top of those no ? give me some good distro to test ( tested more than 150)
Mint/Debian for me. I don't trust Redhat/IBM so Fedora's a no go for me. I don't think the distro itself is bad, but the company behind it is sus. I heard LFS is quite a lot messier than Gentoo. Idk from experience though. You can learn a surprising lot from a plain old Debian install too, to be fair. Just mess around with options until something breaks and start again haha. I love doing that (in a VM of course).
@@soulstenance i do that in bare metal too lol, but tbh Redhat is better than what people say, they created tons of gr8 features for linux pipewire ansible cockpit OKD(redshift)... so fedora is great for me
@@mehdiyahiacherif2326 Haha, I don't have enough free systems to tinker on baremetal. I would if I could though. 😅 Fair enough. They definitely do contribute, I don't dispute that. I guess most of my dislike for them is around their recent anti-GPL/opensource practices. I'm no lawyer but as near as I can tell RHEL basically violates the GPL. This also ended up impacting Rocky and Alma Linux and probably hurt countless servers using these distros.
@@soulstenance yes i got you, but afaik fedora is clean regarding this and if i would change it i'll prob use Mint(lmde) instead, i will miss some packages like helix starship hyprland that i could just install with copr , and use them in my ansible config if i can install them for debian automatically with ansible i'll switch to lmde on my 2nd machine
I wouldn't invalidate your experience. MATE is not meant to be ultralight. Linux in and of itself doesn't offer "ultra-lightness". There are special distros that are light themselves and are more suited for older hardware. This doesn't mean modern heavy duty Linux OS's are heavier than Windows, they're not; they keep a lot of the resources free for your actual programs. But that doesn't mean they will run smoothly on very old hardware. Anyway, for best results with a realllly old system, you should try AntiX linux. While not the flashiest, it takes up around 200-400 MB of RAM and should be very efficient to use.
I have friends that have used Mint for a decade. They love it.
I think I would vibe with your friends as well 😉. Absolutely lovely distribution.
I have been using Linux Mint Cinnimmon for about 6 months. The BIG memory eater is web browsers. TH-cam can really munch memory.
Yep. It's the applications, the DE doesn't matter that much.
Linux Mint Mate is my choice of OS, although I probably won't upgrade to 21.3 until it has been out for a while.
I understand your decision to wait for further bug squashes, but the wallpapers are too enticing ;),
@@GsMultiverse It is good that someone is spreading awareness of the available options, the more people accept Linux the more companies may think of Linux users when designing software/hardware.
This wallpaper enjoyment could be a bit of a meme, careful as memes can yield unintended consequences... Like wishes from genies. 🧞♂️
Hahaha, very wise words my friend. :)
That's a good, safe practice.
IMO, it's not necessary for minor releases, as minor releases are really generally just update snapshots. Major releases have full version upgraded packages, which are more likely to have bugs, and it is good to wait.
This is Mint, not Windows or Manjaro.
It's works perfectly well on my 3 systems.
honestly i miss the gnome2 era
fast, reliable, easy to use, sleek
Cinnamon to the rescue :D
Mate basically IS gnome 2!!
True
NVIDIA MAY WELL GOTO HELL. WE CHANGED THREE BOXES TO RYZEN: ZERO ISSUES, NO STRANGE DRIVERS, ALL BAKED IN THE KERNEL AND OARKED THE NVIDIA MACHINES. IT'S AMAZING WHAT NVIDIA DID; THE DO NOT DESRVE ANYTHING BUT THEIR OWN CRAP! MINT IS GREAT. CHEERS AND HEPPY NEW YEAR. CALCUTTA ? BEEN THERE, DONE THAT. AN AMAZING PLACE!
Hehehe, I totally understand your frustration. Happy New Year and I hope you liked my city.
You're kinda locked into Amd if you want a flawless experience.
I'm full AMD on my desktop and Intel with iGPU only laptop (next laptop will be all AMD). But, I hear that Nvidia open source drivers have improved very recently so I think they will eventually get there. But I went full AMD for Linux.
The latest beta for nvk drivers has around 40-60% performance of the proprietary drivers. That's huge.
The frustration is real but good news on that front is work is being done to integrate Nvidia drivers into the kernel. We're not quite there yet but I'm hopeful.
i forgot how Mint Menu used to look 18 years ago.
Is that in wayland or x11. I know I saw somewhere that Cinnamon was on Wayland out of the box
They have experimental Wayland support for Cinnamon 6
I like MATE for the nostalgic appeal, when i started using Linux in the early 2000s. But Cinnamon offers a lot more functionality, without taking up a lot more resources. I don't see a benefit to using MATE anymore.
Cinnamon is their flagship desktop after all!!
if you want to use different window manager for example
Are you able to have Bluetooth, because I was having a hard time of fixing it, and it doesn’t work?
Love this! This must be a beta - Mint 21.3 isn't out yet officially. I'm surprised this uses an older kernel than my current LMDE 6 install which is older than 21.3. I'm on kernel 6.1 right now. 5.15 isn't that ancient though. Unless you have brand new hardware you'll be fine with 5.15. Generally when it comes to the kernel especially, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. For any new users out there specifically. If you're a nerd or a tinkerer like me, go nuts. 😁
You're right. It is a beta. The kernel is older since it's based on Ubuntu LTS. And I guess Debian 12 has 6.1.
You're right, if you're not a gamer or someone who knows they need a newer kernel, then you're absolutely good to go.
You can update the kernel from the update manager, or you can just download Linux Mint (Edge) which provides a much more recent kernel like Pop OS does. The kernel also keeps upgrading in the Edge variant.
@@GsMultiverse Yes you're absolutely right, Debian 12 has a reasonably new kernel, for the time being at least. Kinda funny how LMDE has an edge (pun intended) over LMUE. for now at least. 😁
The LM Edge variant is very nice to have for a variety of cases for sure. Good that it keeps upgrading those non-LTS kernels though, I was worried you'd have to keep micromanaging that, as you never want to be on an EOL kernel.
Curious though about the 6.5 kernel you showed, as it showed as still supported under Linux Mint, but Wikipedia shows it as EOL, replaced by 6.6 now. Idk which one is accurate haha.
Hehehe, yeah the last thing I'd wanna do is micromanage. Update manager had a ton of updates that I didn't apply. Maybe if I updated it would show the option for 6.6? No idea tbh.
@@GsMultiverse That could be it. Very good idea to always run all updates on a fresh install before proceeding to do anything else. Else you'll risk doing what LTT did and nuke their entire desktop environment just to get Steam installed hehe.
Hey, can you try Manjaro KDE and give your impressions? It's a good distro and I'd love your take on that.
Sure!! Manjaro with KDE Plasma 6 should drop about 2 months from now. Would love to make a grand video regarding that.
I tried Manjaro KDE on my laptop and initially it was great, but then wonky stuff started happening like having packages I explicitly installed being removed due to dependency issues. I now use Debian MATE on my laptop, and continue to use LM/LMDE Cinnamon on my desktop. Never been happier. No hate to the Manjaro team, but if anyone is wanting an Arch experience, just learn how to install and (micro)manage a vanilla Arch system. That said if someone tries Manjaro and loves it, more power to you!
@soulstenance Tons of instances where I've heard the same happening. At the end of the working day, when I just wanna get things done on my computer, Mint would be the way to go. Or use an immutable Arch desktop like Steam OS which isn't available yet (Holo OS is) but that has been the most stable Arch Distro by a mile and a half.
@@GsMultiverse Agreed, Mint is one of the best "just works" distros out there. Steam OS is the best and only Arch based distro I use daily. Granted making it immutable locks down most of the power of Arch - great for the Steamdeck where you mostly just want to play games, less great for a desktop where you want to use Arch to its fullest potential.
@@GsMultiverse The Steamdeck is by leaps and bounds the best console ever released to date, and I'm not just saying that because it runs Linux. It is really good - not perfect, but nothing is.
For stable serious work: Mint/debian or fedora
for servers : debian rocky or alpine
for testing learning : debian or arch (probably nix too)
for low level linux learning : LFS ( idk about gentoo)
what other distros could be good too ? imo those are all the distros needed, the rest are almost skins on top of those no ? give me some good distro to test ( tested more than 150)
Mint/Debian for me. I don't trust Redhat/IBM so Fedora's a no go for me. I don't think the distro itself is bad, but the company behind it is sus. I heard LFS is quite a lot messier than Gentoo. Idk from experience though. You can learn a surprising lot from a plain old Debian install too, to be fair. Just mess around with options until something breaks and start again haha. I love doing that (in a VM of course).
@@soulstenance i do that in bare metal too lol,
but tbh Redhat is better than what people say, they created tons of gr8 features for linux
pipewire
ansible
cockpit
OKD(redshift)...
so fedora is great for me
@@mehdiyahiacherif2326 Haha, I don't have enough free systems to tinker on baremetal. I would if I could though. 😅
Fair enough. They definitely do contribute, I don't dispute that. I guess most of my dislike for them is around their recent anti-GPL/opensource practices. I'm no lawyer but as near as I can tell RHEL basically violates the GPL. This also ended up impacting Rocky and Alma Linux and probably hurt countless servers using these distros.
@@mehdiyahiacherif2326 I didn't know they had a hand in Redshift. That's neat! Without Redshift my eyeballs would be just burnt out holes by now lmao.
@@soulstenance yes i got you, but afaik fedora is clean regarding this and if i would change it i'll prob use Mint(lmde) instead, i will miss some packages like helix starship hyprland that i could just install with copr , and use them in my ansible config
if i can install them for debian automatically with ansible i'll switch to lmde on my 2nd machine
for me it was very slow, definitely something wasn't right, maybe just laptop too old (AMD E2-1800) but that was the whole point trying linux
I wouldn't invalidate your experience. MATE is not meant to be ultralight. Linux in and of itself doesn't offer "ultra-lightness". There are special distros that are light themselves and are more suited for older hardware. This doesn't mean modern heavy duty Linux OS's are heavier than Windows, they're not; they keep a lot of the resources free for your actual programs. But that doesn't mean they will run smoothly on very old hardware.
Anyway, for best results with a realllly old system, you should try AntiX linux. While not the flashiest, it takes up around 200-400 MB of RAM and should be very efficient to use.
is it possible to install cinnamon mate and xfce all inside the same mint desktop ?if y, how?
You can install and change desktop environments, yes. A quick Google search should reveal the answers.