Writing Tips: What is the Elite Four Archetype?

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  • @guspeixoto7740
    @guspeixoto7740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Dang, I didn’t know the Elite Four was like that. I thought it was Leader, Warrior, Brain, and Goofball/Heart. That is pretty cool.
    2 other examples of the Elite Four I have are the Penguins of Madagascar, and Alex, Marty, Gloria, and Melvin, also from Madagascar.

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think you mean Muscle.

    • @Jadinite-2006
      @Jadinite-2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't forget about the Pokemon games (mainly), Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, & Lance.

  • @robinsprung207
    @robinsprung207 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great ending for our series! I really enjoyed working with you. Thanks for this great opportunity!

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same! It was fun, dude!

    • @robinsprung207
      @robinsprung207 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@phoenixstudios9078 👍👍

    • @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds
      @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 Leader
      Big Guy
      Smart Guy
      Heart
      The four-man band is a trope from Penguins Of Madagascar and TMNT,Skipper/Leonardo as the Leader,Rico/Raphael as the Big Guy,Kowalski/Donatello as the Smart Guy & Private/Michelangelo as the Heart.

  • @Tracer_Krieg
    @Tracer_Krieg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Star Wars had an Elite Four before the Bad Batch: Delta Squad of Republic Commando series.

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I never got into the Republic Commando series but from what I've heard you're probably right.

    • @an8strengthkobold360
      @an8strengthkobold360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@phoenixstudios9078 I'd recommend it, it's very good.
      Also they very much are. They serve the republic and fill the roles leader, lancer(also sorta big guy in a way), heart and smart guy

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 if I am correct the 4 main personalities are the Leader,Smart Guy, Strong Guy and Heart and usually in the Group they consist of being 4 Brothers.Why is that?.

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginrod9392 Is that in regards to the Bad Batch or just the Elite Four in general?

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 I think that might be what I am trying to say although those groups fall in the Band of Brothers category while the 4 Penguins and Turtles are actual Brothers.

  • @RadinV1
    @RadinV1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Loving this series so far 👍

  • @dimond360_
    @dimond360_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was so well done. Thank you so much. this helped me so much with my writing

  • @Avarn388
    @Avarn388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video. I'm working on a fantasy book on top of working out the magic systems, world-building, characters, etc. I'm toying with either a five-man band or an elite four. And this video helped out. They are a part of a military group and thus serve that organization so I can see an Elite four.

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad I can be of some help :) If you're looking for more research on magic systems, I highly recommend checking out Hello Future Me's videos on Soft and Hard Magic Systems. They're highly educational and as far as world building goes, you won't find better advice than from Brandon Sanderson himself. He has his own channel/lectures that you can check out as well. Hope that helps 🙂

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 Penguins Of Madagascar and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fall into that category.

  • @lucascoval828
    @lucascoval828 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for uploading these.

  • @AnAceOfSpades
    @AnAceOfSpades 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't think of a relatable comment or cheesy joke, so uh, good video!

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol aww I'm disappointed. You're always coming in hot with those slaps 😂

  • @jaffarebellion292
    @jaffarebellion292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SG-1 from the Stargate franchise serves as a pretty good example. You have Carter, Teal'c, Daniel, and O'Neill, making up the brains/chick, the brawn/guide, the heart/diplomat, and the leader/comic relief, respectively, and serving under the master, or General Hammond.
    The crew of the Rocinante can also serve as a great example. Holden leads, Naomi is the brains, Alex is the heart, and Amos... Amos is That Guy. Who do they serve? Holden has but one true master:
    His coffee maker.

    • @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds
      @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jaffa stop making it harder than it already is there is a Leader,Muscle,Brains and Heart.

  • @nicholascauton9648
    @nicholascauton9648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I also like to call this trope “The Fireteam.”

  • @srstriker6420
    @srstriker6420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I agree about the ghostbusters,TMNT, Fantastic four and the penguins

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah and each Group is about a Family, but in TMNT and Penguins Of Madagascar there is usually the Heart of the Group whether it’s Michelangelo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Private for the Penguins Of Madagascar he is the Heart.

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginrod9392 so the heart of the team has to be the immature one?

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@srstriker6420 I think so yeah.

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@srstriker6420 I think he is the Butt of all their jokes.

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginrod9392 who’s?

  • @remuslazar2033
    @remuslazar2033 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The boys from the series The Boys could count on this trope

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven't seen The Boys yet but it's on my watch list!

  • @RainMakeR_Workshop
    @RainMakeR_Workshop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any chance you can make your own Power Trio vid? Since that vid had been removed from TH-cam.

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I'm thinking about doing my own video on it one of these days. I might tie it in with Three Plus Two team archetype as well. Knock out two birds with one stone.

    • @RainMakeR_Workshop
      @RainMakeR_Workshop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 Honestly, I'd consider redoing any collab work you did with them since all their vids are gone. Just change the links to the new vids and have a quick disclaimer saying why its you instead of them.

  • @emoanimeboy2173
    @emoanimeboy2173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why this dude a better teacher then any in my school lol

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm actually in the process of getting my teaching credential right now lol

  • @DavidSilva-mn4dz
    @DavidSilva-mn4dz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Fantástico Four yeah, you have The Leader/Brain Reed Richards, The Link/Layman logic based Sue Storm, The Goofball Adventure seeker Johnny Storm and The emotional core/warrior Ben Grimm. Being their higher power their thirst of discovery and sharing it with the world

  • @gregoryjohns3941
    @gregoryjohns3941 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When you get back to rewriting Transformers 3, It would be cool for you to have the deception's winning instead of the autobots.

    • @Deadpool_12345
      @Deadpool_12345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gregory Johns yeaahhh which leads to age of extinction where the deceptions have brainwashed humans and start to hunt autobots

    • @gregoryjohns3941
      @gregoryjohns3941 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Saif Reza sounds like a great idea.

  • @RevanR
    @RevanR 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Elite four sounds like more five man band lite. This is perfect composition of 3 guys and 1 girl. This formation is also more better when there's a pairs of oppositions and pairs of similarities in the group to balance.

  • @guspeixoto7740
    @guspeixoto7740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would say Thanos’s Black Order in Infinity War can be another example, as they do answer to someone of a higher power, but they are pretty bland. Ebony Maw is the only one who feels fleshed out, and that’s only because he has the most memorable dialogue of the four and the best power set.

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In movies why does a four-man band have to be a group of brothers this happens with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Penguins Of Madagascar.

    • @guspeixoto7740
      @guspeixoto7740 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginrod9392 no idea. I guess it’s the dynamic?

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guspeixoto7740 Okay that makes sense.

    • @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds
      @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guspeixoto7740 which is a better four-man team is it TMNT,Ghostbusters or the 4 Penguins and why?.

    • @guspeixoto7740
      @guspeixoto7740 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds the Turtles because I just find their dynamic the most memorable and brotherly.

  • @Sknyloc
    @Sknyloc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is the three plus two video private?

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not sure. Something happened with Robin Sprung's channel and all of his content got deleted. I know just as much as you guys.

    • @Sknyloc
      @Sknyloc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Any chance you remake the video?

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Sknyloc Perhaps.

    • @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds
      @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 Leader,Strong Guy, Smart Guy and Heart aren’t right in a four-man team it is Leader,Smart Guy,Strong Guy and Cute Guy.

  • @soupthesundaybar3478
    @soupthesundaybar3478 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    mmmmmmm interesting... would that be also true if 4 charachters that respond to a higher power dont do anything? like 4 sibling responding to a parent? what im saying is, do the 4 need be elite? like instead could it be a band of losers? its prob dumb to ask but yea

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, there's a reason it's called the "Elite" Four. They got to be proactive to some degree. They can't be passive.

    • @soupthesundaybar3478
      @soupthesundaybar3478 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 aight good

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@soupthesundaybar3478 I like four-man bands.

    • @ginrod9392
      @ginrod9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 Leader,Muscle,Brains and Heart who are usually a Quartet or Brothers.

    • @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds
      @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 Rico was the “Big Guy” in the 4 Penguins.

  • @raidev_
    @raidev_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Most obvious example: Pokémon league elite 4

  • @signaturestylecoach
    @signaturestylecoach 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Peter, Susan, Edmund, Lucy

  • @evangravell5140
    @evangravell5140 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what's it called if they don't serve a higher power?

  • @frogfrogson2670
    @frogfrogson2670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Still waiting on the "rewriting rise of skywalker" video

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol you'll be waiting for a while. In the meantime, Nando v Movies just uploaded Part 1 to his Rise of Skywalker rewrite.

    • @frogfrogson2670
      @frogfrogson2670 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenixstudios9078 im guessing that means itll probably never happen

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@frogfrogson2670 No, it twill. When I say I'm going to do something, I do it. But as a fun hobby, I do this on my free time and I don't keep a schedule on what video I'm going to do next.

  • @daviddyster4145
    @daviddyster4145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The Fantastic Four are an elite four.

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      David Dyster and do you think that the 2015 movie needs a rewrite?

    • @daviddyster4145
      @daviddyster4145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@srstriker6420 Oh hell yha! But let's complete the sequel trilogy rewrite.

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      David Dyster well he was taking a break there so I hope he read Jeremy Slater’s original script for the movie

    • @daviddyster4145
      @daviddyster4145 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@srstriker6420 I know.

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      David Dyster like having a different villain in there

  • @douglasphillips5870
    @douglasphillips5870 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks like there is a lot of effort here to fit groups of four into this trope where it doesn't seem to fit naturally.

  • @aaronjohnson1286
    @aaronjohnson1286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wolf rain ?

  • @gabrielhbosse6030
    @gabrielhbosse6030 ปีที่แล้ว

    You also forgot about Delta squad from republic commando VIDEO GAME 2005 AND if you are looking for a title for your rewrite of episode 2 of the Skywalker saga I suggest THE GATHERING STORM AS A MORE APPROPRIATE TITLE
    PS THANKS FOR THE REWRITE

  • @VixxKong2
    @VixxKong2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's the Hand of God in Berserk before Griffith joins them.
    And the giant diamonds who destroy planets in Steven's Universe

  • @saltiresamurai9215
    @saltiresamurai9215 ปีที่แล้ว

    The chosen one
    The dynamic duo
    The power trio
    The Elite four
    The five man band
    The sinister six
    The magnificent seven.

  • @usmansubhani7482
    @usmansubhani7482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too bad Robin Sprung vanished. I never got to see his videos.

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know. He had a really good one on how Rocket Raccoon exemplified GOTG Vol. 1's tone of well-balanced comedy, heart and drama. I was even going to show it to my students but alas it wasn't meant to be.

    • @usmansubhani7482
      @usmansubhani7482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@phoenixstudios9078 A pity… I’m thankful for being able to see your videos though. They were really helpful. I’m grateful.

    • @phoenixstudios9078
      @phoenixstudios9078  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@usmansubhani7482 Thank you!

  • @anthonyscheibmeir2444
    @anthonyscheibmeir2444 ปีที่แล้ว

    the Bible also has the four gospels

  • @bobbobby475
    @bobbobby475 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "The Chick" HAHAHAHAHQ

  • @studentathlete7751
    @studentathlete7751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kim Possible
    Danny Phantom
    Ben 10
    Max Steel

    • @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds
      @MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Leonardo,
      Donatello
      Raphael and Michelangelo.

    • @nicholascauton9648
      @nicholascauton9648 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kahuna, Boomer, Jester, Specter (SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs)