Internal vs. External, what's the difference? - Prana Dynamics (Part 3)

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
  • In this episode, I continue my discussion with Master Huai Hsiang Wang (Howard Wang) regarding Prana Dynamics and the internal arts. If you have any questions you want me to ask Howard in a future video, please leave a comment in the comments section of this video so that I can relay your questions to him. Watch part one here: • Introducing Master Hua...
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  • @THEMARTIALMAN
    @THEMARTIALMAN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Registration is now open for the next Prana Dynamics Master Program with Master Huai Hsiang Wang to guide those interested in step-by-step instruction both martially and spiritually. This program is geared towards those who are serious about mastering the internal arts. Both theory and practice will be expounded and demonstrated in detail, free from tradition and lineage. Click on the link to enroll: bit.ly/3lz8ptH

  • @thorick590
    @thorick590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    there's an old traditional martial arts saying: 'external styles go from from hard to soft while internal styles go from soft to hard in the end they both end up in the same place'. The thing that I see the most is where the internal stylist or the external stylist sticks to only near the starting place and does not do the work to get to the other side, so the soft stylist has little hardness and the hard stylist has little softness.. the most profound people I'd ever seen had reached a place where you could not say that they were 'hard' or 'soft' I think they must've reached that end place.

  • @dannykino
    @dannykino 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! This needs to be watched over and over. Thank you

  • @flaviocampanile3384
    @flaviocampanile3384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very insightful, thank you very much for sharing 🙏

  • @OldJong
    @OldJong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    " You can"t use the mind to transcend the mind" Just let that sink in! :-)

    • @AR-qn9mq
      @AR-qn9mq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sink in to what ?

    • @nikolayordanov3115
      @nikolayordanov3115 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man, this is hard to do...

    • @Naiddou
      @Naiddou 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      but if you understand mind you can enter awareness

    • @Bevallalom
      @Bevallalom ปีที่แล้ว

      He told us the answer. You are not the mind and not the body.... you can't transcend your mind. You can transcend yourself, the real spiritual being that you are.

  • @patwolt6645
    @patwolt6645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great explanation of the internal and external force within the martial arts.

  • @vitalyromas6752
    @vitalyromas6752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kieren, thank you a lot for this series of discussions with Mr. Wang bringing clarity to overcomplicated issues. Those who practice may see "echos" of problems encountered during practice. The most tricky for me is exactly the issue when the mind is always copying the experience trying to replicate it. But it replicates the image of the experience, not the real process. And the tricky thing is when the mind take a copied picture as a real process... Advice to deflame the mind - exactly what helps. Intent is like the chopsticks. One doesn't imaging chopsticks or a fork to eat a meal. One just take chopstick or a fork. In my experience, intent is the same, it is what exists, but hidden behind the imagination... And people often just imagine chopsticks instead of just taking chopsticks placed in front.
    "Intension is not intent of your mind but intent of the energy"... thank you, very well said. In-tension. Etymology, directly from Latin intentus "a stretching out."
    Another important thing is pronounced at 10:55... Exactly what the intent is.
    And it reminds me one episode from the "Ghost" movie, 1990, subway scene. In the childhood it seemed to be pure phantasie. But the funny thing is that despide the words about the mind and emotions they really discussed the intent there ))
    th-cam.com/video/YKeIW8kaZbk/w-d-xo.html

    • @Daniel_Mueller
      @Daniel_Mueller ปีที่แล้ว

      Just take it (the fork or the spoon) - f.e. travellers won't be stopped, let them go 😉
      "Wu wei" or "Be water, my friend" 🐉

  • @SenseiMaharaj
    @SenseiMaharaj ปีที่แล้ว

    This video interview deserves more likes and views.. 😊
    Thanks for posting such great master's interviews.

  • @thedoctor7151
    @thedoctor7151 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m with you Howard

  • @willblackett4709
    @willblackett4709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent interview. Deflame the mind Great stuff !!

  • @interestedpart2650
    @interestedpart2650 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent & informative!

  • @michaelreadnower4424
    @michaelreadnower4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow the most useful video "i" have ever watched 😄👍🙏🍀🙌

  • @truthserum9456
    @truthserum9456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating and thank you. I was particularly impressed with the mention of the observer and the observed.

  • @THEMARTIALMAN
    @THEMARTIALMAN  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you have any questions you want me to ask Howard in a future video, please leave a comment so that I can relay your questions to him. Thanks!

    • @realhomosapien
      @realhomosapien 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why does Taijiquan always get defeated by MMA fighter compared to other External Kung fu styles like Hung Ga, Choy Li Fut, Mok Ga, and other?
      It's not that I am saying Taiji or Chinese martial arts is useless coz me myself is a Hung Ga practitioner.
      But the fact that Taijiquan always becomes a laughing stock in Martial arts after Lei Lei get defeated by Xu Xiaodong which I hope it is only one art or the person itself being blame but then now almost all Chinese Martial Arts becomes a laughing stock
      Luckily people still practice external Kung fu like Hung Ga, Choy Li fut, or those Kung fu forms in Shaolin Temple and acrobatic Wushu schools

    • @Prueba_Te
      @Prueba_Te 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Different systems talk about different internal engines, like internal WC such as CST being different from Taiji way, in Taiji they talk always about Ying/Yang. Is this true? Is all the same in the end? Are they just "more elevated" steps but the same at the peak? Thanks!

    • @yellostallion
      @yellostallion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I understand everything Howard said because of the book Inner Engineering by a yogi named Sadhguru. Western culture is "I think therefore I am." This is logical to me and to most but it's faulty logic if you are seeking this path. "You are a being, a life's energy first, before you could think." The first person to realize and tapped into this life's energy (chi in Chinese) is Adiyogi, 15 thousand years ago. Yes. But not for martial arts. This knowledge then spread to China or regions now we called China, and used in martial arts, philisophy, medicine, and healing as well. Hope that helps.

    • @frbud
      @frbud 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@realhomosapien Because the MMA fighter who won only challenge the unreal master or people who feel that they're already master (fake), try to challenge real Chen family or real Shao Lin teacher and let see the result.
      Second cause is all the "master" that they fight didn't have proper fighting exercise and experience if compare to MMA fighter.

    • @realhomosapien
      @realhomosapien 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@frbud exactly, Taijiquan was a grappling and standing wrestling martial arts, but people like self proclaimed master misconcept taijiquan as a magical chi bulshido martial arts. Chinese martial arts does work cuz me myself an Hung Ga practitioner
      But I wanna hear the answer from Howard cuz maybe he have another different answer lmao wkwkwkwk

  • @BarrySantEasternArts
    @BarrySantEasternArts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you

  • @HV-Channel
    @HV-Channel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best explanation ever.

  • @Daniel_Mueller
    @Daniel_Mueller ปีที่แล้ว

    Everything great is simple, but not easy.

  • @ilyaolshanetskiy7421
    @ilyaolshanetskiy7421 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Master Huai Hsiang Wang goes way beyond modern understanding and practice of martial arts. Granted he talks about traditional Chinese kung fu. Even his language and terms are different. Essentially he shares with us a practical science of life. A revelation.

  • @gravy_brain
    @gravy_brain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wow. thank you Gentlemen.

  • @vmarc4682
    @vmarc4682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think of external power as being a club. Internal as being a whip.

  • @bajuszpal172
    @bajuszpal172 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, Gentlemen,
    Again a highly instructive dialogue, bringing light into the difference between external and internal aspects of KF, seemingly an eteranal conflict. Albert EInstein said, that problems cann be solved at a higher level than created, and to the very end cam the name of a God Jesus, who also, by your words Master, lead people from egoistic thinking toward eternal energy-based idea, if correctly understood.
    Yes, God is above all of us and people will never be the same! It is difference that make them moving too. Many thanks, anyway. Older people need moere your approach than taht of athletic-based physical training. God bless you all. Paul,67, retired instructor of Karate, admirer of Kung Fu

  • @ggtso
    @ggtso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please let us know who are Master Wang's spiritual teachers and which traditions he draws from. I think he explained his martial arts lineage, but not his spiritual teachings lineage. Since he discusses a lot the spiritual aspects, just curious what are his sources, thanks.

  • @joshuatoms7664
    @joshuatoms7664 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, once you have the realization, the energy is already there. But then you can build and strengthen it as well.

  • @SlackBallSack
    @SlackBallSack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Question for Howard: If you have attained a high degree of internal skill and have good form do you still need to practice Cham jang gong/standing meditation?

    • @stormbreaker123
      @stormbreaker123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I recall correctly, Howard's method does not require this type of standing work, it is based on partner work and validation. I asked him the same question once in person.

  • @metrfulton9708
    @metrfulton9708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you train both external & internal martial arts at the same time

  • @metrfulton9708
    @metrfulton9708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    All blessings sifu , can we use internal martial arts for selfdefense or streetfighting

  • @YIQUANONE
    @YIQUANONE หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is like a finger pointing at the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss it. All are tools to climb the mountain, once at the top, you don't need the tools anymore.

  • @pbg9208
    @pbg9208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EPIC

  • @peterasmussen2933
    @peterasmussen2933 ปีที่แล้ว

    aye true indeed, saying similar to all the great Vedantic Saints.

  • @dorelrotar8468
    @dorelrotar8468 ปีที่แล้ว

    You made a typo mistake regarding Master Wang’s course
    You mention that early bird registration is $100.00

  • @LaoZi2023
    @LaoZi2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I disagree with the idea that the dantien exists and doesn't exist- it's not just a concept, after cultivation they truly have a life of their own. And what I mean by that is that the energy will do what it does without your consent, channelling efforts, or mind intention. When you have cultivated your qi in your body, and it gets amplified to a certain point of strength, it doesn't always do what you want it to do, it will do what it needs to do to support the life of the host.
    In the beginning of cultivating the dantiens, there is no dantien, this is true. They are cultivated through meditation and practice and they grow, like a fire in a cauldron. Yes, the mind does the work to create an abundance of qi in the areas of huiyin, , true dantien, middle dantien, and upper dantien areas. But doing this type of practice is just one method. But, make no mistake, when the dantiens are full, you will know it and they do change your life. And they can be dangerous, if you don't know what you are doing. I understand his point that if you mentally transcend your physical manifestation then you no longer need to use your energetic plexuses and nerve ganglion clusters to harvest your dantiens.
    Master Huai Hsiang Wang's practice is even more "internal" than developing your dantiens. And is more akin to Tai Chi "proper" cultivation practices, where your whole body is a dantien, and even the earth itself is the dantien your surf upon;and totally releasing your mind's conditioned shackles from your body's bondage.
    *One only has to look up the practices of Mo Pai to understand the most extreme school, known to the public, in cultivating the lower true dantien.

    • @ThomasK95
      @ThomasK95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Posting here to remember this comment. Good stuff

    • @easternmovementprinciples4799
      @easternmovementprinciples4799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeap. Talking about a topic he doesn’t understand when it comes to dantian cultivation & use

    • @ThomasK95
      @ThomasK95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@easternmovementprinciples4799 nah he knows more than you sorry bruv

    • @LaoZi2023
      @LaoZi2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThomasK95 not true when it comes to Dan tien practices and cultivation. This becomes clear when he said it was metaphorical. You’ll need more knowledge to make that statement.

    • @ThomasK95
      @ThomasK95 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LaoZi2023 oh sorry i haven't mastered the intricacies of youtube commenting :D I meant that you, Douglas, are more knowledgeable :)

  • @rogelee-TW
    @rogelee-TW 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @metrfulton9708
    @metrfulton9708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is internal martial arts good for sex health

  • @Jenjak
    @Jenjak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Internal vs external is irrelevant because they are two sides of the same coin.

  • @KeithOng
    @KeithOng 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    external - more muscular and local strength / Internal - more tendon and unified strength. Don't be fooled by woo woo. Both are 'forces'. Physic........

    • @nikolayordanov3115
      @nikolayordanov3115 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, based on my understanding so far in the field

    • @bunny_rabbit5753
      @bunny_rabbit5753 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chill dude 😁 me Nd is everything don't u know the synapse reaction of body when u get attacked , Ur body moves automatically. He is just saying to still the mind and enjoy the play that way you will be able to see more and act less 👍

  • @perrypelican9476
    @perrypelican9476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know this guy is wise but I have no clue what he is talking about. I wish he would try very hard to make us understand instead of just expressing himself. I would like if he would use a multi step way of expressing himself. He says only one thing at a time, so what is step one, step two, step three. Etc. Please tell me what is step one.

    • @czechmate6475
      @czechmate6475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We have to buy the course I guess

    • @mallucka5358
      @mallucka5358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@czechmate6475 A course of course.

    • @michaelreadnower4424
      @michaelreadnower4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Step one

    • @KeithOng
      @KeithOng 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i am sure he also has no idea of what he is talking about. That's what woo woo is.

    • @michaelreadnower4424
      @michaelreadnower4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KeithOng no idea is the first step. Easy the I. I think the main point was to alow your ego to dissolve. As in all arts the greatest masters always say they did not create their master pieces. Like bruce lee said don't think feel. Much love and good luck

  • @gongfutaijimy
    @gongfutaijimy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Internal martial artists, you have to be able to relax in front of an aggressive, resisting opponent looking to harm you before you can use your style. Good luck!

  • @ohmartialarts9167
    @ohmartialarts9167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Learning how to use internal power has little or nothing to do with this enlightenment rap.

    • @karimsonsafehold9233
      @karimsonsafehold9233 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those with spiritual roots that are dead or decayed, are deluded into thinking they are using internal power. They are just using their life force and vampirically sucking it out of other people.