Are you feeling confused after watching this video? Do you find yourself asking "So, if VPNs don't protect my privacy, what should I use instead?"? Well, I've finally made a video answering that exact question: th-cam.com/video/qZE45J-MIUg/w-d-xo.html
Vpn is not a big deal. Real gangs doesn’t even talk directly with their unregistered sim cards often. It’s just for the sake of blocked contents. And Privacy? Huh funny.
I hear you! There are times I wonder sitting in front of the TV if I’m being watched ,OMG i go through the living room I always have a towel ,my dog barks for nothing..👀 it May sound like I’m deranged but I wonder everything that’s going on I wonder I can be talking about something to someone and all of a sudden it’s on my phone I didn’t look it up it just appears there. Thanks for listening I use my laptop looking up things that I’m interested in
Thank You! I'll bet The Secret Service (US Politicans bodyguards or whoever they are) use VPNs, & U.S. Military members & U.S. Air Force & The (US) SpaceForce (wait do they exist yet?) use 1 too!
Plot twist: hes just a hacker and hes tired of getting stoped by vpns (this is a joke, I dont care if vps dont stop hackers) Edit 2: this was supposed to be funny. You can stop trying to argue another point in the replies?
That isn’t quite how it works kiddie, the attacks were formed when a company installed software on it that contained exploits that allowed the attacker to hack it, if they used an VPN on a VPN server would change nothing at all
When reading the comments, a counter-argument can be found for each argument: ''Use this. Do this. Don't use that, it's useless'' and so on. You can read the comments all day trying to find out how it really is, to get what is true and what is not, until you finally realize that no one really fully understands how it is. The more you read, the more you understand that.
Man, does this ever sum up my experience trying to understand VPNs. The whole thing has always seemed like a bit of a religion; the adherents all zealously believe in it, but cannot provide any proof for why. It seems largely faith-based. Not that I'm entirely against that (hint: my name), it's just not enough for me to be sold on the whole thing.
@@throughfaithweunderstand4901 VPNs allow you to move your trust from your Internet Service Provider, potential eavesdropper, and websites you access to the VPN provider. This is why it's useful in sailing the linux distros, because the VPN provider is less likely to tell your ISP "ya this dude has been seeding" than the ISP is.
That the vast majority of people don't understand how computers work at the network level shouldn't be surprising. Most people have no need to learn this. Of course, that people post comments about things they have no to little understanding of is also unsurprising.
@@reesericdotci you have a contract for some services. Depending on the location of the company, they might not be subject to your isp complains, like on the isle of man. If they offer no logs as a service, they must respect contracts. Otherwise it's see you in court
Also, any time a service becomes large enough to be publicly recognizable; instantly becomes a target not only for hacking but also for corporate and political infiltration.
@@damian007567 There are VPNs out there that are very open. If you go to the expensive route you get even a server appointed to you. Moral of the story is, if your VPN is only a few bucks per month, it's probably shit.
This video is a little biased. You spend a lot of time telling us about how a VPN is bad and a false sense of security, then at the very end spend like ten seconds telling us that they're good for a handful of circumstances, which are likely the main circumstances that a VPN is used for. Instead of going for a clickbait title it would have been better to approach it as a "when a VPN is needed and when they are not", maybe with a guide on how to set one up yourself.
I just want my bank accounts protected. Hackers will do anything to make your life a living hell. People have a lot of time and will go to any length to ruin your life.
@fakefirstname fakelastname You do realize that not finishing sentences have been a part of jokes before people starting calling everything "memes"? Btw, joke =/= meme
I think a better title would be “stop using vpns for security”. Using them to get round content blocks is a valid use case, but it won’t make you any more secure.
Glad some one is telling the truth. The real truth is privacy online has been dead for 10 years. The system was never built for privacy it was built to connect.
@@Ελένη-η2φi also noticed sometimes random braindead comments have a ridiculous number of likes. I wonder if some of these "top commenters" are using bots...
It's hard to believe that VPN companies aren't tracking and logging users' activity. It would be way too tempting to track users and amass huge volumes of data on people. That's where the real $$$ is. Not the $3/month subscription fee they collect.
Its stupidly easy to create your own VPN, do sexy sleek marketing, and sell it to tech illiterate or tech heads that dont know when something is too good to be true.
Information collection is BIG business, and people are paying to send their info through a company. I guarantee that info is being sold somewhere, even if they label it as anonymous
It would be suicide to log data. High end VPN's cost more for the privacy. If they logged data, eventually they would get hacked and that data released... effectively ruining their reputation overnight
@flmvdvsrg I think what bothers most is the time it took them to tell that a server was compromised. (And the people just spreading rumors) There are some legit reasons to use a VPN - like banking on a public wifi tho it is better to do it at home on a wired device (paranoid much)
@Don Wallace You are, just as everyone else, entitled to your opinion. What he has said is all technically correct. However the message of this video is that VPNs are bad and as a whole useless so don't waste your time. I, personally, don't agree with that message. It offers more privacy than not using a VPN. I did enjoy the information about openVZ containers though.
So what is the alternative to a VPN? Dont use it and let everyone on the WWW see your public IP? And my internet traffic visible to ISP and the government and other wifi users on my local network? Sure its not a 100% anonymous but at least gives you some protection, and thats better then nothing.
@ProseColored Glasses Torrenting is also illegal. What does the legality of this have to do with anything anyway? This is a technical discussion of what reasons people might have for wanting to use a VPN.
*Welcome to the comments section! Please read this first:* Q: Who else got a VPN ad? A: Everyone did. The title has 'VPN' in it, so TH-cam puts VPN ads on the video Q: The title sucks! It should've been "stop using bad VPNs" or "stop using VPNs for wrong reasons" A: If I said "stop using bad VPNs" people would automatically assume their VPN is good. NordVPN, PIA and PureVPN were all considered "good" at some point. If the title was "stop using VPNs for wrong reasons", people would automatically assume their reason is valid. Q: What if I live in China/Russia/North Korea? A: There are good reasons for using a VPN and this is discussed in the video. Circumventing censorship is one of those reasons. Q: What if I want to torrent or watch porn? A: See previous answer Q: But without a VPN my ISP will be able to snoop on everything I'm doing! A: That's not true. HTTPS and SSL/TLS encrypt full URLs and contents of the websites you visit. Your ISP will still see the domain names, but so would the VPN provider. In some cases, if your ISP is affiliated with the government and you can get in serious trouble by browsing certain websites, it's reasonable to use VPN or Tor. However, for the most part, it's a choice between trusting a big ISP comany that resides in your country and trusting an anonymous nobody on the Internet who would have no accountability for misusing your data. Q: No A: Okay
IP address is not as useful to hackers as it used to be. Most ISPs assign dynamic IPs and utilize NATs. And since the number of devices per household increases, any kind of identity profiling has gotten very difficult. Plus, if you use a VPN for all your internet traffic, your identity will be linked with the VPN IP. Even if your VPN service has multiple IPs in different countries, those IPs are finite
How about hotels, public WiFi, or what i of someone intercept my connection? Is it safe not having a VPN? And: how does VPN improve my safety? I use a VPN right now: I do nothing illegal, I have nothing to hide, and yes Government has far more tools to spy on you. My only concern is bad people intercepting my connection and great informations such as passwords (emails, social networks, bank accounts) or credit card number (I buy only from big websites such as Amazon, Paypal, etc...). Thank you!
There's a difference between wanting privacy and wanting anonymity. Anyone who uses a VPN for anonymity is not getting what they paid for, but VPN's are more than proxies. They specifically encapsulate your traffic inside of another protocol (the tunnel) so that it cant be inspected by any intermediary until its unpackaged at terminus.
You might not even have this account anymore, but if you do, and you’re feeling compassionate, I’d love a more simplistic understanding of your point? If that’s even at all possible.
@@johnd1047 a vpn is like instead of sending a postcard via post you put your postcard in locked box and then give it to the post services. The person who receives the box knows how to open it. A vpn does not give you anonymity because you can easily get tracked by a state actor that high-jacked the website you are visiting and then puts bad stuff inside the locked box to find out where it goes. I hope this was helpful
@@xXDESTINYMBXx ah okay that’s what I thought but had a very low resolution picture of, thank you! So like an added filter? Patriot act still says “f**k your rights” but at least employers couldn’t access it if you weren’t on their system.
@@johnd1047 a good vpn will give you good protection against any non state actor. There are still many attack vectors left tough. Website you acces etc.
@@xXDESTINYMBXx I agree but there's one important thing missing in explanaition. To stay with your comparison of the locked box, the person who knows how to unlock it is NOT the final destination of your postcard but the VPN provider. The final destination (Website, another Persons computer, etc.) wouldn't know how to open the box either. That's why you have to trust your VPN provider. And that's the Point Wolfgang mentioned in his video. You just have to choose weather you want your Service Provider to be able reading your Postcard or your VPN Provider. Therefore, VPN doesn't guarantee you any privacy over your ISP. But to be even more precisely I would explain it like that: Connections over http (not encrypted) are like sending postcards, EVERYONE can read them Connections over https (encrypted) is like sending a letter in an envelope. Not everyone can read your letter but an envelope is a common standard and there are possibilitys someone could extract some data / open the envelope oder see through it Connections over VPN (encrypted) is like putting your postcard OR letter in a locked Box, which will then be unlocked at the shipping service (VPN provider). They then deliver the CONTENT to the final adress. Keep in mind, that they may even use a 3rd company for delivery as any VPN provider probably uses another ISP. Even tho there is a way of end to end encryption, when you set up your own vpn, for example on your router and connect to it. Then the whole way between your device and your router is encrypted. You could also set up a vpn between your router and the router of a friend. Then all the communication and data between your routers will be encrypted. But any way AFTER the router isn't encrypted anymore.
Thank you man. Having no knowledge of networks and VPNs I still had a gut feeling that VPN providers can monitor your traffic if the decide to, what's to stop them. That was the answer I was looking for. Your video is great and to the point.
There isn't a thing online that is be all end all and will solve your privacy issues completely. A vpn is a good layer of safety that makes the process of sniffing your traffic harder, but it's just that - another layer. Take what I said with a grain of salt, I'm not an expert myself, this is just my personal view on this, based on what I've read and what I know (limited information).
eh; just a bunch of fallacies and hand waving with very little facts. Was hoping for more. The basic premise; VPNs are not 100% privacy/infallible so they should not be used is a bit of a contrite fallacy. 99% of your basic users are perfect safe behind a VPN; if you are going to do a "severe felony" act of some sort; then VPN is not going to save you. ie: if your are using a certain hacked firestick or downloading illegal movies; good step to take and "probably" fine; if you are going to start a mail-order drug business; you going to jail. I still side on; don't do illegal shit anymore on interwebs; true anomity is pretty much gone without taking servere steps, shrug.... Proxy, onion, tor and VPN; along with a OS built around privacy (ie Kali) and no user-accounts / data / etc... Arguable they can still find you; just a matter of how much they want to spend.
@NZgamer How do they know that? The only way I can think of is to read the VPN server IP you are connecting to and check to see that it is a common VPN server. Your actual data is encrypted with https regardless of whether you are using a VPN or not. In which case you could try using tor, which is hosted by random volunteers .
VPN's are fine for privacy, to be anonymous however use tails/tor etc. Privacy and anonymity are two very different things, you take your threat model into consideration and decide how much work and care you need to put in for whatever you're doing. This is pure clickbait.
The video completely failed to make that distinction, so thank you for bringing it up. Want something unavailable in your country? A quality VPN is fine. Need to stay anonymous for reasons? You need more than a commercial VPN and the information you're after isn't gonna be from some kid on youtube.
An ISP may care about torrenting, an VPN service probably won't. It's an easily accessible extra layer of protection against lawsuits. If you only use it for downloading Linux ISOs and buying digital services abroad, you're probably fine. Just don't route all your traffic through it.
Just get real debrid or premoumize. They do all the downloading for you and you download at full speed from them and no one can see what you're downloading, just that you're downloading a 50gb file from real debrid.
Yep, get a seedbox. VPN is ok if you can afford forgetting to turn it on, but in some countries you can get in serious trouble for torrenting (e.g. Germany, Austria). Alternatively set up a docker container with a VPN killswitch
You basically only make two arguments, and they are really weak. *Logging* - Sure, your VPN may be logging your traffic. Maybe. One thing is for certain. Your ISP is _definitely_ logging your traffic. So in this situation, a VPN may help, but it certainly won't hurt. VPN companies stake their entire business on their reputation for providing privacy. When that is compromised, their business falls apart. This is a huge incentive for them to actually do a good job here. Yes there are perverse incentives like you mentioned, but those only pay off in the short term. Reputable companies that have been around a while and are based in countries that respect privacy are likely to have good privacy and security practices. *Identification* - You say that as soon as you use the VPN to access something like facebook, it reveals everything else you do from that IP address. This is not true. That IP address is likely shared by many other people so there is far too much noise to distinguish the users. Rolling your own VPN on a VPS does not give you anonymity. That IP address can be directly linked back to you, just like your normal IP.
Logging: This is a pure "Who do you trust more?" question. I personaly trust my ISP more (with non-critical data and i am not from the USA) , then some offshore 3rd-party service that could be easily owned by a foreign goverment and used as a honeypot. Identification: Nobody really cares about your IP anyway, there are far better ways to identify somebody. And VPNs don't help you against it. Using your own VPN is useless? ...what's the point? Sorry, i normaly don't like to be rude but.... this statement is just retarded. If you have a vServer in a different country you can still use it against GeoBlocking and your personal VPN still encrypts your traffic on a public wifi. VPNs where never ment for anonymity.
Your ISP has a strong incentive to maintain its customers approval. You send them a big check every month and some of us have been sending that check every month for 20 years, as for security you really should be using encryption for everything.
The honeypot thing seems more like a thing to scare people from using VPNs than a real threat that has a chance of happening. With your ISP it's a 100% chance that they're logging everything (for most countries)
Passwords are not inherently flawed services that can only stay afloat by the means of aggressive marketing and often, data collection. Your analogy is false.
@@WolfgangsChannel The flaw IS inherent if it can be hacked. And if passwords aren't aggressively marketed, then how is it that people know MORE about passwords than VPNs? If manufacturers put VPNs on every device, they would be known/marketed as aggressively as passwords. So the only difference left is data collection. And in the context of @Wooty Wooter's analogy, it's a distinction without a difference because data collection doesn't change the following logic: just because something has been hacked before, doesn't mean it cannot provide general protection.
Or in the 5 eyes or the 14 eyes ... DO your Research... there are trusted vpns out there. Also, if you're just streaming its really not a big deal. It's the ppl that are doing the dirty dirty stuff that should worry
@Grand Imperius Realize first why you need a VPN.. Do you live in a country where websites are blocked or you can't write whatever you want? Or just because so many youtube videos lately have had so many VPN ads, and it's getting so popular that you think it's a must for privacy, when in fact, it isn't, The "worst" thing I've done is just downloading a couple of torrents, and even though that's illegal, the chance of actually anybody caring for it is almost non existent. When I need/want to access a webpage or video that's blocked in my country, I just use a free vpn like Windscribe, 10gb per account and can easily make more (I don't stream videos on it or download stuff, so it lasts a long while)
Yeah, any privacy concious US based company just simply shut-down once those laws went into effect. I forget the company, but the CEO refused to comply with the new laws on having to keep logs and provide them on demand without subpoenas or warrants... but he just shut his doors, like nope, fuck that.
@@allenja0 It was Nerdshack, AKA Mailshack. Anonymous email, useful for scam baiting for one thing. CEO had priciples. Even though it messed up a bait I was doing, I respect him for it.
Grand Imperius Actually IPVanish is the worst. They are based in the US, Florida which means, they are forced to give out all logs to agencies like FBI NSA etc. because the US are part of the 5 eyes.
A better bit of advice would be to state that a VPN isn't a magic wand, but it is a legitimate privacy tool. Make sure that your privacy toolbox contains the right tools, that your tools are of high quality, that you know how to use them properly, that you know what each tool's limitation is, and how to combine your tools to provide adequate privacy coverage. This will vary from person to person, depending on their threat assessment. For Joe Six-pack who just wants to stream or torrent without getting nasty letters from their ISP, pretty much any VPN will do. For journalists living under a hostile dictatorship, they'll need a safe and solid VPN in addition to several other necessary tools and steps. And of course there is everything in between.
There wasn't anything presented here to deter me from using a VPN. Hopefully, anyone using a VPN understands what it offers and those that don't know what is being offered are probably not being harmed.
When you show your viewing audience something on the screen TO READ, perhaps you could possibly flash it even faster so there is absolutely no time to read what you have presented for them TO READ! Thanks.
@@brutus3631 Yeah, I already knew dat, But, I watch a lot of stuff, research, info, curiosity, enjoyment - a lot, and almost always have to pause, which isn't how I prefer to watch so many videos. I don't look at them for the sheer enjoyment of constantly "having to" pause them. For one thing, in totality, it is wasteful time comsuming. Same applies to volume. My computers' volume is 100% and the video is 100% but still can't hear the voices probably because they didn't make sure their volume recording is high enough so that, if anything, I have to turn mine down. One thing is for sure, when I run into these irritations, I stop watching and they lose a viewer. Oh well, as Fleetwood Mac once wrote.
@@brutus3631 So am I. In fact, I pause a lot, ponder, use dictionaries, review from other sources and so on. I'm sure (assuming of course), you do as well. Many times, time is of the essence, and having to eat while viewing as one example and wanting to kill two birds with one stone, my hunger for information and food, the video forces me to pause over and over again. This is true because of my complaints. That I don't like. Maybe they skip past or fast trying to ignore a contradiction, to mislead or ignore or outright deceive the viewer. I don't know, but my experience of videos, movies and other visual presentations is they should be, as a sort of requirement, smooth and well paced and IF there is content to read, really, enough time to do so. Let me pause when and where. Don't force me. Now I'm not better than anyone else nor special but I am better than this kind of situation. And so are you. Thus, I won't watch their video. Don't they want me to? Having written a lot (books, screenplays, business plans, grant proposals, mission statements, financial projections, summaries, presentations, etc.), I know ones' premise is of utmost importance. If your audience doesn't buy, accept or believe your premise, your play is tossed, your plans rejected, your request denied. That's one reason why if you don't buy, say, a movies' "opening premise" and it's in the very beginning, if you leave in the first 20 minutes, you may ask for and legally request your money back. Did you go to a movie theater expecting starts and stops? No. Are you better than everyone else? No. But you are better than the situation. They want their money but are legally obligated to refund it. Do they want you to watch, like and subscribe? Yep. Then do it right. Those are the ones I watch, like and subscribe to.
I often play you tube videos on my TV with the sound via my hifi and sometimes have to turn up the volume on a quiet recording. Then I forget about the volume and when the next properly recorded video comes on, it near bursts my ear drums and both me and the cat jump out of our skins lol.
Tldr: your ISP will see "vpn mysterious activity?!?!" Instead of knowing what you're doing, and you can simulate being somewhere else in the world. But other than that, vpn isn't going to magically protect you.
The thing about having your password stolen that, sure you might have your whole bank account robbed and lose everything, but you have to remember is that money isn't everything. The thing that matters most in life is having strangers like your comment on the Internet. That's what real happiness is and no amount of money can make up for that.
Biometric and multifactor security exists. Even if someone were to get your credit card number chances are they would be living somewhere else in the US or other. Banks have particular security in which users have to perform multi factor verification. Via gmail,email,phone number,location,biometrics,ect.
Blanket statements like "Stop using VPN for Privacy" are not helpful, and are not based upon accurate network security fundamental principles. It really depends upon what you are doing at any given moment on your system, whether or not a VPN service is the correct choice to protect your privacy. If you want to protect your internet activities from the the prying eyes of your ISP then a reputable, stable, regularly audited VPN service is a good choice. It is not advisable to run the service all the time on your primary system but when you want your activity to encrypted, turn it on, and turn it off when you are done. Other options like proxy etc... will not shield you data from your ISP or the many routers your data will travel through during your internet session. All you have to do to confirm that is take a look at your own router traffic history logs when connected to VPN and when not connected to vpn. If your own personal router can identify your data traffic, so can your ISP. Simple as that. NordVPN experienced a hacking event, and they adjusted their practices based upon that event, and many other VPN providers followed suit, and now openly share security audit reports regularly to assure their customers they are doing everything they can and should do to protect their data. That said, I'm not advocating for or against any particular VPN provider. The choice of a provider is something an individual should research for themselves. Bottom line is network security and privacy are complex subjects and valid recommendations cannot be made with over-broad statements like the title of this video. How you protect your data, and/or your user's data (if you are an admin or engineer) really depends on the nature of the data, how it's being accessed, and who you are trying to prevent from seeing the data traffic.
@@s0lth885 ISPs take part in mass tracking and probably sharing/selling of your data. A reputable VPN -probably- won't engage in that behavior, and some actually have guarantees. A good VPN is better for privacy than no VPN.
Most of the people using VPN services today are just being scammed into paying for two ISPs and accessing the second ISP through the first ISP. Just choose a reputable ISP and you don't need to worry about choosing a reputable VPN service provider. If you're willing to do adequate homework to find what would be a reputable VPN provider for your use cases, then you will rarely need said VPN provider in the first place. If you're not willing or qualified to do that homework, then you're not qualified to be using a VPN to protect yourself at all, and if you do use one to "protect yourself" from some threat or another, then you're treading on very dangerous ground where you're likely not actually protecting yourself from that threat in the first place, and you can only believe you are because your actual risk was just that low in the first place. Choosing a VPN service provider for the correct reasons and not for things that they don't actually do, and then using that VPN correctly to protect yourself from whatever threats you're facing is incredibly complicated. If you're not qualified to work through those complications (hint: if you're not making well into 6 figures doing this for a living, then you're not qualified), you need to understand that you're almost certainly not protected from what you believe you're protected from by using your VPN service. There are A LOT of intricacies to evaluating this stuff and doing it correctly, and even your average IT admin doesn't know what most of those intricacies are, because very few targets actually face those kinds of risks in the real world.
The idea that your ISP will not track you, because you are their customer, so they will naturally want to be nice to you? I don't have the lung capacity to laugh loud enough. Several of the biggest ISPs are also cell providers. Please remember the scandal that several large cell providers were making tower login data available, *sold on the open market,* so stalkers could keep stalking the objects of their twisted affection!! They didn't didn't think twice about the practice until they were caught, and dragged through the sewer, by the good old main-stream media. If they could figure out a way to install trackers in the rivets of your jeans, they'd do it. I *absolutely* trust my VPN provider more than my ISP. Until we can restore the legal framework that makes it punishable for an ISP to provide its customers personal data, I'll be using a VPN on a fairly regular basis.
@@keithd.2722 A lot a FUD and very little actionable content. A lot of unfounded assumptions. A couple of patently false ones. I'm a network protocol engineer and I dissapprove your message.
I used ExpressVPN for a while. I primarily only used it in public wifi areas, at hotels, conferences, etc. My initial concern came from people at tech conferences that I saw actively hacking the routers at the conference centers and just sitting and watching internet traffic. Some conference centers were either using outdated firmware with known vulnerabilities or in some cases setting ridiculously simple administrator passwords. Many people at conferences I have been do just to very blatant network scans as well, just trying to connect directly to shared drives over the network, over-trusting bluetooth devices, etc. A VPN won't protect you from direct attacks like that. I've heard a lot of people trying to use VPNs on public wifi for that reason, to which I always say to make sure you have a personal firewall or detection service on your machine. What I have found useful is having my own cloud account. Because I do a lot of cloud development, I have accounts on multiple cloud providers. I created a "hopping VPN" of my own that just jumps between clouds, services, regions, etc. with ephemeral IP addresses. Still limited range of IPs, but it's at least somewhat helpful. Through use of Terraform and a couple other tools, it's easy to get everything you need set up **FAST**.... but I'm also a software architect. I keep the Docker containers I use up-to-date with security patches, etc, which is part of my day-to-day job anyway. It's easier for me than the general public, but I am trying to think of ways to OSS my solution to help. I know it's only a small layer of protection, but when I'm in a public space I get paranoid about some of the bizarre things places do and restrict. We're in a state right now where privacy is a big concern, but there's also not much we can do about it. Everything has vulnerabilities and holes. I try to explain to corporate clients that even things like firewalls are merely a deterrent and not perfect, security and penetration scans only work for known things, etc. but it's rare people will listen. Many times, even for PCI compliance and other things, people scan once and never scan again nor set up active monitoring/logging for potential violations. Some new, innovative idea is needed - and I haven't seen one and haven't been able to think of one on my own... yet.
valuable information thank you. even tho i don't understand anything about thsi field your explanation was very clear. but in a nutshell what vpn i should you ? what's the safest one
@@lalalala-qc7cp it depends. I find that most of the big name ones are "ok." Most of the big names are held accountable for "bait & switch" (where they protect you from your ISP seeing things, and they just sell it instead). I've had good luck with ExpressVPN (I specifically need global VPN for testing some stuff), I've *HEARD* (emphasis on heard) good things about Surfshark, NordVPN has a ton of people using it, CyberGhost is supposed to be good for people who travel a lot. I don't know must about Proton VPN, but they certainly have a heck of a showing out there and for the money they seem to be wonderful. If I was switching, I'd probably go Proton VPN at the moment for my own needs. Surfshark I think gives you more devices per account for less charge. I recommend looking up what your needs are. Such as "best VPN for simple home use" or "best VPN service for travel," etc. It's like when people ask me "what gun should I buy?" I always tell them "it's not about what I use, it's about what fits you, your comfort, and your usage/needs."
Another valid use case for VPN: livestreamers and social influencers concerned with bad actors (or just whiney script kiddies) from capturing their IP address
Just started and this is already false information 1. The hacker did not hack into the server. He physically broke into a server room that was in another country. 2. He was there for awhile but he didn’t and couldn’t get any information because nord does save user data.
I'm tired of replying the same thing to NordVPN shills in the comments. From TechCrunch's article: "The attacker gained access to the server - which had been active for about a month - by exploiting an insecure remote management system left by the data center provider; NordVPN said it was unaware that such a system existed" "Remote" in this sentence kind of suggests that the access wasn't physical, don't you think? And even if the access was physical, even if the attacker didn't get any logs, that changes absolutely nothing. NordVPN's infrastructure got compromised, they tried to hide it for almost a year, were forced to admit the situation and apologize after someone outed them on Twitter. If after all of that you still trust them, you're either a shill or a fool.
Thanks for the video! Here is another use case, your ISP throttles your connection based on what you are doing... with a VPN they can't use this technique to throttle your connection because they don't know what you are doing.
@@DARTHMOBIUS Tor was technically created by the government anyways so selling out to NSA is like me selling out to grandma when she gave me a $20 bill for Christmas.
@@Nickholast Aren't they already by throttling? This is why we need net neutrality. Data is data, and shouldn't be charged based on what it is or its usage.
@@DARTHMOBIUS Holy shit this is so wrong. Stop pretending to be smart please. First of all, TOR was co-funded and developed by the US. Second, it wasn't sold out to the NSA. There is exactly zero information on the web. Anyone can create nodes and gather data from it or hijack browsers if you are stupid enough to allow scripts.
I saw this in my feed today, finally, someone who understands that VPN's are NOT protection for privacy but simply an exit point somewhere else in the world and the provider can LOG everything.
This isn't a reason not to use a vpn it's just pointing out that a lot of people have been mislead. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use them you just need to be me more aware of what it's actually doing. It's not a perfect solution but it is part of one. And make sure you choose your vpn carefully, do your research first don't just trust a youtube sponsorship.
so, stop using VPNs unless you have one of the most common use cases for VPNs? of course if you are doing something illegal or highly delicate a VPN is not nearly enough, of course it doesn't wash your car nor make you dinner. Those "edge" cases you mentioned at the end are the most used cases for a VPN, maybe that's why torrent support is a main feature advertized, massive ISP blocking is a very common thing (maybe not in your country) but is commonplace for other countries. And to exchange the posibility of a VPN provider selling your data is sometimes acceptable against the certainty of your ISP provider doing the same specially when one is local and the other isn't. Not only chickbaity title, also very innacured one, maybe when not to use a VPN would be better; dos and donts of VPNs or something along those lines; VPN is a glorified Proxy? really?, no, just no, is like saying SSL is useless, the endpoint can see the data anyway. Nonsense.
You and me probably understand that VPNs are only good for those three things that I mentioned, but most VPN services advertise "ultimate privacy" and 100% protection from spying which is exactly what I have a problem with.
@@WolfgangsChannel That's why the title is misleading because in fact VPNs are not, just like SSL, even conceived for absolute privacy and nothing is 100% protection. Not VPNs, not SSL, not condoms, even the encryption difficulty numbers are the mathematical theoretical strength, with a perfect implementation but implementations also fail as we saw with OpenSSL. I don't think that a misleading title and tone in a video is a solution to the misleading content of advertizing; I appreciate the content of this video because many could get a false sense of security, but the tone and title bothers me, it invites to that toxic attitude of "who cares about security and encryption we are f*?!d anyway", and the faulty argument that if something is not 100% is not worth it. If you trust a VPN more than your ISP then a VPS is good. Right now I'm too cheap to have a VPN but understanding their pros and cons I may consider one in the future. I trust my IPS less than I trust cats or muggers.
It's statistically easier to "get lost" in an ISP traffic. Since VPNs have more "interesting" traffic going through them, they attract more interest from the authorities. A VPN would still submit your logs to the government faster than you can say "Snowden", and I would NOT recommend using a VPN service if you're trying to do anything that could get you in trouble in a country with strong censorship and surveillance laws. The fact that VPNs are used in a wrong way for the most part does not mean that "we are f*?!d anyway". It's just that online privacy is not that easy.
@@WolfgangsChannel about "getting lost", I don't think is relevant, is not like there is a person with not enough time; everything is automatically labeled so an ISP could target everyone and in fact in many places they do; there is not such thing as getting lost in the crowd. And about the logs to the gov, I'm sure it would happend if USA or Germany ask them, I'm not as sure is a small country like mine (Chile) as for them. And as I said to trust a VPN for sensitive data, life threating data is looking for trouble and I wouldn't recommend them for that, but if you are avoiding your account to get flaged for torrenting or browsing some hacking websites, to me is perfectly fine. I doubt my local ISP or gov will spend time and political leverage to deal with foreign VPNs to give piracy warnings.
@@WolfgangsChannel of course if you are protecting from bombs and mortars a bulletproof vest is useless, it doesn't mean that bulletproof vest are useless. That's why I think the title and tone of the video should be in the lines of what VPNs are really for, what they are useful and useless for. In security there are no silver bullets, that's why you need a threat model and evaluate your solution based in the risks, the potential attackers and protect accordingly. Stop using MD5 would also be a blatantly wront title, because iven MD5 has it's uses, of course don't use it to encrypt, there is useless, but to HASH and quickly check data integrity is perfectly fine.
@@hilalbolat9890 if you or any relative/friend ever decides to protest against the government, everything can be used against them. In the US, that is already a problem right now. Even worse so in most disctatorships, especially China, NK, HK, Taiwan, Thailand etc. Otherwise there is not a big chance they the gov. will use it against you, but never say never. It's also not just about governments but about hackers trying to steal your private information and possibly your money, or just random companies wanting more information from you so they can advertise more efficiently
This video only highlights the down side. Even if ISP's see that you are using a VPN, they still cant directly report activities related to what you are doing. While yes VPN's might report on what you are doing, this is actually easy to prevent. Just run 2. you're ISP would then have to contact your 1st VPN, then your first VPN would contact the second. This is actually what a tor network does but with 3 levels. 80% of people using VPN's don't have a reason for going that deep, something like piracy is such a de-criminalized thing. All you really are doing in that case is just making it where they have to put work into seeing what you are doing, meaning endless you do something irl, odds are no-one will know. Its the difference of getting a ticket with no proof of you doing the said speed limit, vs a ticket with dashcam footage. One will easily be thrown out in court, one will easily have the book thrown at it.
"ExpressVPN doesn't keep any traffic logs or monitor user activity. It does keep connection logs including the date of the connection (not the time) and the server used. ... ExpressVPN doesn't log your IP address, but the connection logs are tied to the user account." - gag orders sound scary, but if they got nothing to give except time stamps of accessing a VPN, it isn't much, is it? BTW, not even a timestamp apparently... "Note that ExpressVPN defines the term “connection logs” slightly differently to how we have defined it above, and according to their definition (which doesn’t include datestamps or amount of data transferred), they don’t keep any connection logs. Those discrepancies aside, the important thing here is that the company maintains no logs of any data that could be used to identify an individual user." A recent case saw Turkish authorities seize an ExpressVPN server as part of an investigation. However, they found no useful information, a fact that serves to back up the company’s no-log claims.- www.comparitech.com/vpn/vpn-logging-policies/ To me, this advice is like telling someone do not wear any condoms at all, only wear the very best ones only....(at least how it's titled, which at least you said it could have been titled better)
@Martian Android Well we know for a fact that ExpressVPN had their servers sized by the Turkish government and they refused to help the Turks to identify anyone on the network. The Turkish government failed to break the encryption and they never got any useful data. I would consider that a pretty good data point.
Thanks, Wolfgang. Also I'd like to add that hosting your own VPN is a good method of reaching your localhost from anywhere in the world securely (through VPN split-tunneling) at a multi-layer service (bare-metal, VM and cloud) as long as you have ssh and a VPN client running.
What do you mean "don't cheap out"? There are KVM VPS in freaking Luxembourg for $2 a month. What can be cheaper? Edit: they even explicitly allow you to keep a Tor exit node (!!), and in general their ToS are rather... minimalistic.
Man I accidentally bought a nord VPN because i didn't cancel the free trial, so I thought "welp Maybe I can get something out of this" and I see this video. Pain
Anything with a free trial is already a scam. They don't believe enough in their product to give it out for free for 1-2 days without a payment to fall back on.
don't feel pain because Nord VPN is one of the better non-14 eyes VPNs and the video maker is a misleading asshole who conveniently did not mention that Nord breach didn't get attackers to access to data flowing through the server. They got access to a key, that could be used to fake their own server to seem like a Nord VPN server. But it is nether proofed, that this was used, nor did it affect most of the servers. Meaning Nord VPN was pretty much unaffected and the users were all safe.
my often accurate paranoia says: If I were a govt agency or govt employee whose job it was to track people's activity online, specifically people who attempt to hide their activity (meaning they are likely doing something they dont want the govt to see), I would create a vpn service. It would work perfectly, a vpn service run by the govt, disguised as an 'anti establishment' 'anti-govt' service that "keeps your data private", and people who want to hide their activity would voluntarily sign up for this vpn/trap, and would function as a pipeline of data to the govt, specifically from people trying to hide their data from the govt. i see youtube/google as part of the establishment, and if mainstream youtubers with big channels, who get paid by youtube, are advertising nordvpn, that is sketchy to me
The VPN Server still dumps all of the traffic onto the VPN Server's ISP network. So if you self host a VPN Server, that traffic is still being dumped on your ISP's network as if they were on the same local home/office network.
if you're using a work/school owned computer and they have their stuff set up right, it doesn't matter what you do. They can log (screencap) what you see on your screen if they want. This can happen anywhere you use that computer, not just on their network. Use your own computers for stuff you'd rather your work/school not know about.
I'm renting a VPS for 1€ per month. It runs on VMware ESXi, has one core and a whopping 512 MB of RAM. I only use it to hide streaming totally legit video from the dorm admins because they might ban me from internet access for that. So... yeah, no it's not about achieving "ultimate privacy". It's for hiding connections from my ISP (= university)
oh . no worries there, if you have comcast, in 2019, you no longer have access to sites that allow file sharing. They block them now. I know, I tried lol! Yep, Amerika! Outside the US, I noticed my google results and sites where much more expanded.. a curious thing, freedom.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I do. I tried but kept finding alot of them blocked. I never experienced internet censorship in person until I visited Florida in 2019 and tried to visit said sites. Now I know how the Chinese feel. Scary stuff.
I use a VPN for one reason and one reason only MLB STUPID blackout rules ( I cannot fathom how someone 400 miles away from a team stadium will ever buy tickets to a game more than at best one time in a year) because of that I have to spend 60 stupid bucks a year to circumnavigate that.
for pia there is public record court precedence to back their no logging claim, showing they could not provide useful info, at least. this is subject to change, obviously. if you have to be told the stuff in this video, you don't need a vpn vpn can be useful if you know how to use them, tho
Unfortunately: PrivateInternetAccess, a privacy-focused VPN provider is merging with Kape, a company well known for exploiting user data and distributing deceiptive, privacy-threatening software. Source: www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/e0iw2g/privateinternetaccess_a_privacyfocused_vpn/
I use a non-14-eyes-VPN Tunnel for all the reasons you mentioned at the end. Also Nord VPN stated that they now encrypt all their harddrives from now on, not that I can check on that.
NordVPN say they now encryped all their hard drives but part of me just doesn't believe them. For years they were saying in their commercials that they had so-called "military grade encryption" as part of their service but they still got hacked. Most of their money goes into marketing and very little gets invested into tech.
thelongslowgoodbye They didn’t get hacked by breaking the encryption. If that was the case, there would be someone that could break any encryption in the world. TLDR was that a server provider left an unsecured management account active. It got hacked in March 2018, the provider found out about the breach and killed the account, but hid it until Nord found out in April 2019, killed the server and fired the provider, then decided to audit their servers before publishing the incident, as no logs or user info was at risk, because they don’t keep any. Nord was never directly hacked, no data was at risk.
Appreciate this candid tutorial on VPNs ...I currently live abroad in a controversial country where one should cover their tracks when navigating online...being careful has become an established habit.
If you connect to a VPN server outside of your country, which is the point in your case. It’s unlikely the country that has the vpn server will force the vpn provider the logs to your country
1:53 You say that trusting the claims for no-logging policy is the only thing you can do and you can't check. Not an ad, but PrivateInternetAccess has made their software opensource, and I remember an interview with Linus, their CEO said "don't trust our words, check the code for yourself". This was what sold me to get a subscription with them.
I need a VPN to play GTA 5 but I can't figure out which one is the best. Pretty much any R* game is not safe to play using any of their services because of their P2P servers and extremely outdated player security.
Start windows , start VM , start VPN ,start Tor , voila you got basic level protection , it ain't going to be enjoyable one bit , like using a hammer to screw a screw .
Are you feeling confused after watching this video? Do you find yourself asking "So, if VPNs don't protect my privacy, what should I use instead?"?
Well, I've finally made a video answering that exact question: th-cam.com/video/qZE45J-MIUg/w-d-xo.html
Ok
Hi
Yes. Mr Fbi agent
Thank you.
How good is TOR ?
I have been using it for like 6 years now..
*stops using VPN*
"Sorry, the content provider has not made this video available in your region."
*starts using VPN again*
Vpn is not a big deal. Real gangs doesn’t even talk directly with their unregistered sim cards often. It’s just for the sake of blocked contents. And Privacy? Huh funny.
If you really need to use a vpn then you should create your own openVPN server.
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
@@Hans_247 the cartel has tgeir own cellphone networks. Epstein had his own cellphone network on pedo island.
From my experience they don't even work that well for that shit. The connection is slow as fuck.
Title: Stop using VPNs.
TH-cam: "Let's place NordVPN ad here!"
@TheRealBandito I know it most likely isn't that smart, but it is still ironic.
Also, you never know how far Google's AIs have gone :/
I got an ade for Mayo
I was confused for a second, then I realized, I have an adblocker.
It's been so long...
Actually..." protect your IP with IPvanish!"
@@opsoc777 same here!
All I want to do is just watch stuff thats not available in my country.
I hear you! There are times I wonder sitting in front of the TV if I’m being watched ,OMG i go through the living room I always have a towel ,my dog barks for nothing..👀 it May sound like I’m deranged but I wonder everything that’s going on I wonder I can be talking about something to someone and all of a sudden it’s on my phone I didn’t look it up it just appears there. Thanks for listening I use my laptop looking up things that I’m interested in
@#medy actually nothing illegal just something that our governments afraid of lol
Thank You!
I'll bet The Secret Service (US Politicans bodyguards or whoever they are) use VPNs,
& U.S. Military members & U.S. Air Force & The (US) SpaceForce
(wait do they exist yet?)
use 1 too!
Tor. And it's free, and it's more private
@@andikatrin.2574 anime
Plot twist: hes just a hacker and hes tired of getting stoped by vpns (this is a joke, I dont care if vps dont stop hackers)
Edit 2: this was supposed to be funny. You can stop trying to argue another point in the replies?
VPNs do not stop hackers
@@emilianofernandezcervantes4042 they kinda do
Kinda how?
@@christiannielsen1569 they stop them from getting your location and data
@@vxnFloppa go watch Tom Scott's video on vpns and realise how wrong you are
NordVPN could've just used a VPN to protect themselves from the hacker attack
How didn't they think of that?
200 IQ!
Warehouse was broken into it, nothing got hacked and no personal data was revealed because they don't keep logs.
That isn’t quite how it works kiddie, the attacks were formed when a company installed software on it that contained exploits that allowed the attacker to hack it, if they used an VPN on a VPN server would change nothing at all
Online Satanas Sorry kiddie, but OPs comment was a very obvious joke that only a smartarse like yourself would fail to notice.
Thats it I'm never using the internet.
😋
(Go's on internet)
Yes
Flyze that’s the joke
Alpi 545 why
I got a VPN ad before watching this.
what are ads?
"With IP Vanish..."
Skip
Haha
Algorithms
same, IPVanish for me 😂
When reading the comments, a counter-argument can be found for each argument: ''Use this. Do this. Don't use that, it's useless'' and so on. You can read the comments all day trying to find out how it really is, to get what is true and what is not, until you finally realize that no one really fully understands how it is. The more you read, the more you understand that.
here's a like.
Welcome to the other side 😂
Man, does this ever sum up my experience trying to understand VPNs. The whole thing has always seemed like a bit of a religion; the adherents all zealously believe in it, but cannot provide any proof for why. It seems largely faith-based.
Not that I'm entirely against that (hint: my name), it's just not enough for me to be sold on the whole thing.
@@throughfaithweunderstand4901 VPNs allow you to move your trust from your Internet Service Provider, potential eavesdropper, and websites you access to the VPN provider. This is why it's useful in sailing the linux distros, because the VPN provider is less likely to tell your ISP "ya this dude has been seeding" than the ISP is.
That the vast majority of people don't understand how computers work at the network level shouldn't be surprising. Most people have no need to learn this. Of course, that people post comments about things they have no to little understanding of is also unsurprising.
Nice try FBI. I still ain’t gonna turn it off
Edit: people below can’t comprehend the concept of satirical comedy
Fax fuck that shit
LOL
Its fine to keep wasting your money for no real benefit besides confidence (I guess).
@@reesericdotci do u not know what a VPN does?
@@reesericdotci you have a contract for some services. Depending on the location of the company, they might not be subject to your isp complains, like on the isle of man. If they offer no logs as a service, they must respect contracts. Otherwise it's see you in court
Let's use a VPN for what it was originally designed for: Worldwide LAN party
Damn man, i missed attack on titan online
@@TitoSve Same
(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞ my man Steve cooking up some beans
y e s
Wait its not for PHUB, Fuuuuuuk
That’s it. I’m moving to Montana, starting a potato farm, and building my own ISP. Who’s with me?
Me
I am
Agreed but I am doing a tomato farm :)))
Too cold in Montana
I might be movin' to Montana soon, just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss
Also, any time a service becomes large enough to be publicly recognizable; instantly becomes a target not only for hacking but also for corporate and political infiltration.
So stop using online banking.
Stop using bad VPN's would be a better title.
But how do you know what is a good VPN? You only know that they are bad after they got hacked. But not before :D
@@damian007567 There are VPNs out there that are very open. If you go to the expensive route you get even a server appointed to you.
Moral of the story is, if your VPN is only a few bucks per month, it's probably shit.
Agreed
So what is the best trustworthy vpn?
@@H11X11N Right now I dont know. Force your DNS sercive to open DNS your connection will be slow but I guess windscribe will have to do for now
I disagree with a few points here. I don't think VPNs are a flawed idea. But they're marketed in a way that is just deceptive.
You are still alive tesla?
@@nabinrai749 Um yeah, he's selling cars now, where you been??
maximusextreme No HE IS THE CAR
@@maximusextreme3725 i have been trying to stop using vpn ..sure time flies fast
@@maximusextreme3725 that's Elon musk you fool
This video is a little biased. You spend a lot of time telling us about how a VPN is bad and a false sense of security, then at the very end spend like ten seconds telling us that they're good for a handful of circumstances, which are likely the main circumstances that a VPN is used for. Instead of going for a clickbait title it would have been better to approach it as a "when a VPN is needed and when they are not", maybe with a guide on how to set one up yourself.
That would be in bad faith when the VPNs too market themselves as "Anti-NSA" to not be known as piracy companies.
Agreed; a guide would be awesome.
Why don't you make your own video in your own channel?
remember Edward snowman.... he sold to other countries
@@gerot201 snowden*
I just want my bank accounts protected. Hackers will do anything to make your life a living hell. People have a lot of time and will go to any length to ruin your life.
Meanwhile TH-cam users in China: "Sure, I'm gonna stop using them right n
@fakefirstname fakelastname lmao what are you talking abo
@fakefirstname fakelastname you wouldn't get it
@fakefirstname fakelastname ok boomer
@fakefirstname fakelastname no u
@fakefirstname fakelastname You do realize that not finishing sentences have been a part of jokes before people starting calling everything "memes"?
Btw, joke =/= meme
"Stop using vpns"
Bruh I literally have to use a vpn to watch youtube
Might as well use it to watch this video until the end 😁
I think a better title would be “stop using vpns for security”. Using them to get round content blocks is a valid use case, but it won’t make you any more secure.
what country do you live in?
@@iagree3742 Iran
@@arman4440 ... makes sense
A better title would be “Don’t rely on a VPN for privacy”, more accurate however is less clickbaity
But clickbait is how these guys make a living!
Big John Memes i agree
Yeah, but that's the title
@@hrvtk he changed the title
I just use it to watch naruto Shippuden on Netflix
Glad some one is telling the truth. The real truth is privacy online has been dead for 10 years. The system was never built for privacy it was built to connect.
No it hasn't lol how does this post have 30 likes ??
You are stupid.
@@Ελένη-η2φi also noticed sometimes random braindead comments have a ridiculous number of likes. I wonder if some of these "top commenters" are using bots...
you sound like a person explaining connection in death stranding game 🤣
“Connect” isn’t the best word. That’s the humans/users manipulation of how we use technology but creators of all this internet? It’s to monitor
It's hard to believe that VPN companies aren't tracking and logging users' activity. It would be way too tempting to track users and amass huge volumes of data on people. That's where the real $$$ is. Not the $3/month subscription fee they collect.
Lifetime subscription VPNs double-dipping on the profits
Its stupidly easy to create your own VPN, do sexy sleek marketing, and sell it to tech illiterate or tech heads that dont know when something is too good to be true.
Information collection is BIG business, and people are paying to send their info through a company. I guarantee that info is being sold somewhere, even if they label it as anonymous
... and they get sued for a shitton of money after some 35 year old neckbeard deciphers them
It would be suicide to log data. High end VPN's cost more for the privacy. If they logged data, eventually they would get hacked and that data released... effectively ruining their reputation overnight
Wolfgang: “Don’t use a VPN”
TH-cam Ad after video: “need a VPN? Get one here.”
Same here, bro.
Ouch.
@Don't Talk Zoomer: A bunch of shit hawks.
Lol
@s A l l e e You mean someone somewhere made the same comment under this video? Oh no!! Covid got you really bored...
This is hokum. One VPN service or server being compromised by a hacker does not negate the usefulness and security of most VPNs
The only bad thing nordvpn did is that they didnt reveal the breach in time. I hope they learned their lesson.
@flmvdvsrg I think what bothers most is the time it took them to tell that a server was compromised. (And the people just spreading rumors) There are some legit reasons to use a VPN - like banking on a public wifi tho it is better to do it at home on a wired device (paranoid much)
His main argument is that you can't really trust the owners/operators of a VPN service, which is a 100% valid viewpoint in my opinion.
@Don Wallace You are, just as everyone else, entitled to your opinion. What he has said is all technically correct. However the message of this video is that VPNs are bad and as a whole useless so don't waste your time. I, personally, don't agree with that message. It offers more privacy than not using a VPN. I did enjoy the information about openVZ containers though.
@Don Wallace True, but it does require extra time and resources to go to the VPN provider and pull logs. It's more loops they'd have to go through.
So what is the alternative to a VPN? Dont use it and let everyone on the WWW see your public IP? And my internet traffic visible to ISP and the government and other wifi users on my local network? Sure its not a 100% anonymous but at least gives you some protection, and thats better then nothing.
"There are minor exceptions" *Proceeds to state very good reasons for using a VPN*
Vaprin yes and you'll notice that those very good reasons for using a VPN service are almost never mentioned in any of the VPN service advertisements.
More media companies like Netflix and ESPN can detect if you're using a VPN, which they can now block. VPNs are slowly becoming useless.
@@squatch545 *becoming useless for watching netflix, as stated there are still valid reasons
@ProseColored Glasses Torrenting is also illegal. What does the legality of this have to do with anything anyway? This is a technical discussion of what reasons people might have for wanting to use a VPN.
@ProseColored Glasses Ok, in that case, yes....good point.
*Welcome to the comments section! Please read this first:*
Q: Who else got a VPN ad?
A: Everyone did. The title has 'VPN' in it, so TH-cam puts VPN ads on the video
Q: The title sucks! It should've been "stop using bad VPNs" or "stop using VPNs for wrong reasons"
A: If I said "stop using bad VPNs" people would automatically assume their VPN is good. NordVPN, PIA and PureVPN were all considered "good" at some point. If the title was "stop using VPNs for wrong reasons", people would automatically assume their reason is valid.
Q: What if I live in China/Russia/North Korea?
A: There are good reasons for using a VPN and this is discussed in the video. Circumventing censorship is one of those reasons.
Q: What if I want to torrent or watch porn?
A: See previous answer
Q: But without a VPN my ISP will be able to snoop on everything I'm doing!
A: That's not true. HTTPS and SSL/TLS encrypt full URLs and contents of the websites you visit. Your ISP will still see the domain names, but so would the VPN provider. In some cases, if your ISP is affiliated with the government and you can get in serious trouble by browsing certain websites, it's reasonable to use VPN or Tor. However, for the most part, it's a choice between trusting a big ISP comany that resides in your country and trusting an anonymous nobody on the Internet who would have no accountability for misusing your data.
Q: No
A: Okay
I didnt get a VPN ad, but i did get a internet service ad. Close enough i believe you though.
Use Doh to encrypt domain names. I recommend nextdns.io since it has an insane load of security features and pi hole level ad and tracker blocking
IP address is not as useful to hackers as it used to be. Most ISPs assign dynamic IPs and utilize NATs. And since the number of devices per household increases, any kind of identity profiling has gotten very difficult.
Plus, if you use a VPN for all your internet traffic, your identity will be linked with the VPN IP. Even if your VPN service has multiple IPs in different countries, those IPs are finite
How about hotels, public WiFi, or what i of someone intercept my connection?
Is it safe not having a VPN?
And: how does VPN improve my safety?
I use a VPN right now: I do nothing illegal, I have nothing to hide, and yes Government has far more tools to spy on you.
My only concern is bad people intercepting my connection and great informations such as passwords (emails, social networks, bank accounts) or credit card number (I buy only from big websites such as Amazon, Paypal, etc...).
Thank you!
Front loading the comment section with rebuttals prior to people disagreeing. Well played. I still disagree.
There's a difference between wanting privacy and wanting anonymity. Anyone who uses a VPN for anonymity is not getting what they paid for, but VPN's are more than proxies. They specifically encapsulate your traffic inside of another protocol (the tunnel) so that it cant be inspected by any intermediary until its unpackaged at terminus.
You might not even have this account anymore, but if you do, and you’re feeling compassionate, I’d love a more simplistic understanding of your point? If that’s even at all possible.
@@johnd1047 a vpn is like instead of sending a postcard via post you put your postcard in locked box and then give it to the post services. The person who receives the box knows how to open it.
A vpn does not give you anonymity because you can easily get tracked by a state actor that high-jacked the website you are visiting and then puts bad stuff inside the locked box to find out where it goes.
I hope this was helpful
@@xXDESTINYMBXx ah okay that’s what I thought but had a very low resolution picture of, thank you! So like an added filter? Patriot act still says “f**k your rights” but at least employers couldn’t access it if you weren’t on their system.
@@johnd1047 a good vpn will give you good protection against any non state actor.
There are still many attack vectors left tough.
Website you acces etc.
@@xXDESTINYMBXx I agree but there's one important thing missing in explanaition. To stay with your comparison of the locked box, the person who knows how to unlock it is NOT the final destination of your postcard but the VPN provider. The final destination (Website, another Persons computer, etc.) wouldn't know how to open the box either.
That's why you have to trust your VPN provider. And that's the Point Wolfgang mentioned in his video. You just have to choose weather you want your Service Provider to be able reading your Postcard or your VPN Provider. Therefore, VPN doesn't guarantee you any privacy over your ISP.
But to be even more precisely I would explain it like that:
Connections over http (not encrypted) are like sending postcards, EVERYONE can read them
Connections over https (encrypted) is like sending a letter in an envelope. Not everyone can read your letter but an envelope is a common standard and there are possibilitys someone could extract some data / open the envelope oder see through it
Connections over VPN (encrypted) is like putting your postcard OR letter in a locked Box, which will then be unlocked at the shipping service (VPN provider). They then deliver the CONTENT to the final adress. Keep in mind, that they may even use a 3rd company for delivery as any VPN provider probably uses another ISP.
Even tho there is a way of end to end encryption, when you set up your own vpn, for example on your router and connect to it. Then the whole way between your device and your router is encrypted. You could also set up a vpn between your router and the router of a friend. Then all the communication and data between your routers will be encrypted. But any way AFTER the router isn't encrypted anymore.
Thank you man. Having no knowledge of networks and VPNs I still had a gut feeling that VPN providers can monitor your traffic if the decide to, what's to stop them. That was the answer I was looking for. Your video is great and to the point.
There isn't a thing online that is be all end all and will solve your privacy issues completely.
A vpn is a good layer of safety that makes the process of sniffing your traffic harder, but it's just that - another layer.
Take what I said with a grain of salt, I'm not an expert myself, this is just my personal view on this, based on what I've read and what I know (limited information).
eh; just a bunch of fallacies and hand waving with very little facts. Was hoping for more.
The basic premise; VPNs are not 100% privacy/infallible so they should not be used is a bit of a contrite fallacy.
99% of your basic users are perfect safe behind a VPN; if you are going to do a "severe felony" act of some sort; then VPN is not going to save you. ie: if your are using a certain hacked firestick or downloading illegal movies; good step to take and "probably" fine; if you are going to start a mail-order drug business; you going to jail.
I still side on; don't do illegal shit anymore on interwebs; true anomity is pretty much gone without taking servere steps, shrug.... Proxy, onion, tor and VPN; along with a OS built around privacy (ie Kali) and no user-accounts / data / etc... Arguable they can still find you; just a matter of how much they want to spend.
Indeed, maintaining complete anonymity is crucial. My DaoNet VPN Android apps requires no registration at all.
VPN's are nice to have when you're on a school network that monitor every site you go to and give you a heavy-handed firewall blocking
Tor browser and dns over https ?
Ok coomer
That's actually what he said in the end of the video
Hidde 345 You clearly don't know how tor is for.
@NZgamer How do they know that? The only way I can think of is to read the VPN server IP you are connecting to and check to see that it is a common VPN server. Your actual data is encrypted with https regardless of whether you are using a VPN or not. In which case you could try using tor, which is hosted by random volunteers .
VPN's are fine for privacy, to be anonymous however use tails/tor etc. Privacy and anonymity are two very different things, you take your threat model into consideration and decide how much work and care you need to put in for whatever you're doing. This is pure clickbait.
Tor is good as well as proxy chains
The video completely failed to make that distinction, so thank you for bringing it up. Want something unavailable in your country? A quality VPN is fine. Need to stay anonymous for reasons? You need more than a commercial VPN and the information you're after isn't gonna be from some kid on youtube.
It's safe to use VPN basically right?
@@athallahreyhan4896 for basic stuff like torrenting yea
@@B-DINO I wanna use a free VPN to save money. If you were me would you use a free VPN or would you rather just use the legit ones?
feel like this video's title is wrong and misrepresented
its called clickbait
An ISP may care about torrenting, an VPN service probably won't. It's an easily accessible extra layer of protection against lawsuits. If you only use it for downloading Linux ISOs and buying digital services abroad, you're probably fine. Just don't route all your traffic through it.
I'm only using VPN so I can pirate shit without my ISP telling me I can't do that
Just get real debrid or premoumize. They do all the downloading for you and you download at full speed from them and no one can see what you're downloading, just that you're downloading a 50gb file from real debrid.
Unless they warned you before, they generally don't take action. If they do, change your provider. No snitching when they're getting your money
Yep, get a seedbox. VPN is ok if you can afford forgetting to turn it on, but in some countries you can get in serious trouble for torrenting (e.g. Germany, Austria).
Alternatively set up a docker container with a VPN killswitch
yyyjyyyj dint take the risk, ISP’s by law must log and give information to the government if asked - depending on what country you are in of course.
Ha same
You basically only make two arguments, and they are really weak.
*Logging* - Sure, your VPN may be logging your traffic. Maybe. One thing is for certain. Your ISP is _definitely_ logging your traffic. So in this situation, a VPN may help, but it certainly won't hurt.
VPN companies stake their entire business on their reputation for providing privacy. When that is compromised, their business falls apart. This is a huge incentive for them to actually do a good job here. Yes there are perverse incentives like you mentioned, but those only pay off in the short term. Reputable companies that have been around a while and are based in countries that respect privacy are likely to have good privacy and security practices.
*Identification* - You say that as soon as you use the VPN to access something like facebook, it reveals everything else you do from that IP address. This is not true. That IP address is likely shared by many other people so there is far too much noise to distinguish the users.
Rolling your own VPN on a VPS does not give you anonymity. That IP address can be directly linked back to you, just like your normal IP.
Logging: This is a pure "Who do you trust more?" question. I personaly trust my ISP more (with non-critical data and i am not from the USA) , then some offshore 3rd-party service that could be easily owned by a foreign goverment and used as a honeypot.
Identification: Nobody really cares about your IP anyway, there are far better ways to identify somebody. And VPNs don't help you against it.
Using your own VPN is useless? ...what's the point? Sorry, i normaly don't like to be rude but.... this statement is just retarded.
If you have a vServer in a different country you can still use it against GeoBlocking and your personal VPN still encrypts your traffic on a public wifi.
VPNs where never ment for anonymity.
Your ISP has a strong incentive to maintain its customers approval. You send them a big check every month and some of us have been sending that check every month for 20 years, as for security you really should be using encryption for everything.
@@7ngel Facebook is a joke. Only the v unsavvy use!
@@7ngel using a vpn on steam will get you banned as a cheater. Cheaters who get banned used vpns to rejoin and cheat.
The honeypot thing seems more like a thing to scare people from using VPNs than a real threat that has a chance of happening. With your ISP it's a 100% chance that they're logging everything (for most countries)
Basically: Passwords have been hacked before. So stop using passwords.
so do u need to pay for passwords too?
Passwords are not inherently flawed services that can only stay afloat by the means of aggressive marketing and often, data collection. Your analogy is false.
@@WolfgangsChannel The flaw IS inherent if it can be hacked. And if passwords aren't aggressively marketed, then how is it that people know MORE about passwords than VPNs? If manufacturers put VPNs on every device, they would be known/marketed as aggressively as passwords.
So the only difference left is data collection. And in the context of @Wooty Wooter's analogy, it's a distinction without a difference because data collection doesn't change the following logic: just because something has been hacked before, doesn't mean it cannot provide general protection.
Yah; ...and why do we need doors when we poop too!
Exactly, use certificate instead right? Lol
I literally just got a vpn ad 💀
Today’s sponsor: “Nord VPN” I would have died if he said that XD
For real
For real
For real
For real
I got an ad for nord vpn at the start XD
Real title: "Don't use VPNs based in the US and don't use VPNs for things that VPNs aren't actually good for."
Or in the 5 eyes or the 14 eyes ... DO your Research... there are trusted vpns out there. Also, if you're just streaming its really not a big deal. It's the ppl that are doing the dirty dirty stuff that should worry
@Grand Imperius Realize first why you need a VPN..
Do you live in a country where websites are blocked or you can't write whatever you want?
Or just because so many youtube videos lately have had so many VPN ads, and it's getting so popular that you think it's a must for privacy, when in fact, it isn't,
The "worst" thing I've done is just downloading a couple of torrents, and even though that's illegal, the chance of actually anybody caring for it is almost non existent. When I need/want to access a webpage or video that's blocked in my country, I just use a free vpn like Windscribe, 10gb per account and can easily make more (I don't stream videos on it or download stuff, so it lasts a long while)
Yeah, any privacy concious US based company just simply shut-down once those laws went into effect. I forget the company, but the CEO refused to comply with the new laws on having to keep logs and provide them on demand without subpoenas or warrants... but he just shut his doors, like nope, fuck that.
@@allenja0 It was Nerdshack, AKA Mailshack. Anonymous email, useful for scam baiting for one thing. CEO had priciples. Even though it messed up a bait I was doing, I respect him for it.
Grand Imperius Actually IPVanish is the worst. They are based in the US, Florida which means, they are forced to give out all logs to agencies like FBI NSA etc. because the US are part of the 5 eyes.
A better bit of advice would be to state that a VPN isn't a magic wand, but it is a legitimate privacy tool. Make sure that your privacy toolbox contains the right tools, that your tools are of high quality, that you know how to use them properly, that you know what each tool's limitation is, and how to combine your tools to provide adequate privacy coverage. This will vary from person to person, depending on their threat assessment. For Joe Six-pack who just wants to stream or torrent without getting nasty letters from their ISP, pretty much any VPN will do. For journalists living under a hostile dictatorship, they'll need a safe and solid VPN in addition to several other necessary tools and steps. And of course there is everything in between.
Also many raspberry pis as proxies.
@@BrainPermaDeD Proxies (mostly) are not an encrypted line and that is an absolute must have for a VPN.
Can you tell me more please, what are the other tools and steps you’d need
Me: searches for vpn
youtube: Stop using VPN
Sus
If you want to stop me you'll have to find me first!
**disappears into encrypted cyberspace*
There wasn't anything presented here to deter me from using a VPN. Hopefully, anyone using a VPN understands what it offers and those that don't know what is being offered are probably not being harmed.
I bet you use Norton as well XD
@@WayneTwitch XD
When you show your viewing audience something on the screen TO READ, perhaps you could possibly flash it even faster so there is absolutely no time to read what you have presented for them TO READ! Thanks.
just pause the video
@@brutus3631 Yeah, I already knew dat, But, I watch a lot of stuff, research, info, curiosity, enjoyment - a lot, and almost always have to pause, which isn't how I prefer to watch so many videos. I don't look at them for the sheer enjoyment of constantly "having to" pause them. For one thing, in totality, it is wasteful time comsuming. Same applies to volume. My computers' volume is 100% and the video is 100% but still can't hear the voices probably because they didn't make sure their volume recording is high enough so that, if anything, I have to turn mine down.
One thing is for sure, when I run into these irritations, I stop watching and they lose a viewer. Oh well, as Fleetwood Mac once wrote.
@@m.e.bentoo2271 honestly i absolutely understand your point, i guess im just used to watching content that sometimes requires pausing
@@brutus3631 So am I. In fact, I pause a lot, ponder, use dictionaries, review from other sources and so on. I'm sure (assuming of course), you do as well. Many times, time is of the essence, and having to eat while viewing as one example and wanting to kill two birds with one stone, my hunger for information and food, the video forces me to pause over and over again. This is true because of my complaints. That I don't like. Maybe they skip past or fast trying to ignore a contradiction, to mislead or ignore or outright deceive the viewer. I don't know, but my experience of videos, movies and other visual presentations is they should be, as a sort of requirement, smooth and well paced and IF there is content to read, really, enough time to do so. Let me pause when and where. Don't force me. Now I'm not better than anyone else nor special but I am better than this kind of situation. And so are you. Thus, I won't watch their video. Don't they want me to? Having written a lot (books, screenplays, business plans, grant proposals, mission statements, financial projections, summaries, presentations, etc.), I know ones' premise is of utmost importance. If your audience doesn't buy, accept or believe your premise, your play is tossed, your plans rejected, your request denied. That's one reason why if you don't buy, say, a movies' "opening premise" and it's in the very beginning, if you leave in the first 20 minutes, you may ask for and legally request your money back. Did you go to a movie theater expecting starts and stops? No. Are you better than everyone else? No. But you are better than the situation. They want their money but are legally obligated to refund it. Do they want you to watch, like and subscribe? Yep. Then do it right. Those are the ones I watch, like and subscribe to.
I often play you tube videos on my TV with the sound via my hifi and sometimes have to turn up the volume on a quiet recording. Then I forget about the volume and when the next properly recorded video comes on, it near bursts my ear drums and both me and the cat jump out of our skins lol.
Tldr: your ISP will see "vpn mysterious activity?!?!" Instead of knowing what you're doing, and you can simulate being somewhere else in the world. But other than that, vpn isn't going to magically protect you.
I literally got an ipvanish VPN ad right before this.
NerdWorld same lol
I need them for TOR, Torrenting, and Zeronet hosting.
VPNs are not for you average users
hi, fellow zeronet user
The last line is absolutely true. They are shilled everywhere but 99% of users don't do any of the above mentioned.
you forgot porn
I hope you are not using torrent over tor, that makes you a dumbass and miss informed
@@IMaiaPT
Wow no shit Sherlock.
Im just paranoid and don't want my ISP to see me connect to TOR
The thing about having your password stolen that, sure you might have your whole bank account robbed and lose everything, but you have to remember is that money isn't everything. The thing that matters most in life is having strangers like your comment on the Internet. That's what real happiness is and no amount of money can make up for that.
I feel like someone should stop weed 🤣😂👍
🤣😂🤣😂
Biometric and multifactor security exists. Even if someone were to get your credit card number chances are they would be living somewhere else in the US or other. Banks have particular security in which users have to perform multi factor verification. Via gmail,email,phone number,location,biometrics,ect.
@@nuclear_muffin5600 r/wooooosh
😂😂😂😂 Yes. Yes.
You use VPN to protect your privacy, i use VPN for visiting website censored by my government.
WE'RE NOT THE SAME
Blanket statements like "Stop using VPN for Privacy" are not helpful, and are not based upon accurate network security fundamental principles. It really depends upon what you are doing at any given moment on your system, whether or not a VPN service is the correct choice to protect your privacy. If you want to protect your internet activities from the the prying eyes of your ISP then a reputable, stable, regularly audited VPN service is a good choice. It is not advisable to run the service all the time on your primary system but when you want your activity to encrypted, turn it on, and turn it off when you are done. Other options like proxy etc... will not shield you data from your ISP or the many routers your data will travel through during your internet session. All you have to do to confirm that is take a look at your own router traffic history logs when connected to VPN and when not connected to vpn. If your own personal router can identify your data traffic, so can your ISP. Simple as that.
NordVPN experienced a hacking event, and they adjusted their practices based upon that event, and many other VPN providers followed suit, and now openly share security audit reports regularly to assure their customers they are doing everything they can and should do to protect their data. That said, I'm not advocating for or against any particular VPN provider. The choice of a provider is something an individual should research for themselves.
Bottom line is network security and privacy are complex subjects and valid recommendations cannot be made with over-broad statements like the title of this video. How you protect your data, and/or your user's data (if you are an admin or engineer) really depends on the nature of the data, how it's being accessed, and who you are trying to prevent from seeing the data traffic.
@@s0lth885 ISPs take part in mass tracking and probably sharing/selling of your data. A reputable VPN -probably- won't engage in that behavior, and some actually have guarantees. A good VPN is better for privacy than no VPN.
@@s0lth885 Indeed. Some allow alternative payment methods, like store gift cards too.
Most of the people using VPN services today are just being scammed into paying for two ISPs and accessing the second ISP through the first ISP. Just choose a reputable ISP and you don't need to worry about choosing a reputable VPN service provider. If you're willing to do adequate homework to find what would be a reputable VPN provider for your use cases, then you will rarely need said VPN provider in the first place. If you're not willing or qualified to do that homework, then you're not qualified to be using a VPN to protect yourself at all, and if you do use one to "protect yourself" from some threat or another, then you're treading on very dangerous ground where you're likely not actually protecting yourself from that threat in the first place, and you can only believe you are because your actual risk was just that low in the first place.
Choosing a VPN service provider for the correct reasons and not for things that they don't actually do, and then using that VPN correctly to protect yourself from whatever threats you're facing is incredibly complicated. If you're not qualified to work through those complications (hint: if you're not making well into 6 figures doing this for a living, then you're not qualified), you need to understand that you're almost certainly not protected from what you believe you're protected from by using your VPN service. There are A LOT of intricacies to evaluating this stuff and doing it correctly, and even your average IT admin doesn't know what most of those intricacies are, because very few targets actually face those kinds of risks in the real world.
The idea that your ISP will not track you, because you are their customer, so they will naturally want to be nice to you? I don't have the lung capacity to laugh loud enough. Several of the biggest ISPs are also cell providers. Please remember the scandal that several large cell providers were making tower login data available, *sold on the open market,* so stalkers could keep stalking the objects of their twisted affection!! They didn't didn't think twice about the practice until they were caught, and dragged through the sewer, by the good old main-stream media. If they could figure out a way to install trackers in the rivets of your jeans, they'd do it. I *absolutely* trust my VPN provider more than my ISP. Until we can restore the legal framework that makes it punishable for an ISP to provide its customers personal data, I'll be using a VPN on a fairly regular basis.
@@keithd.2722 A lot a FUD and very little actionable content. A lot of unfounded assumptions. A couple of patently false ones. I'm a network protocol engineer and I dissapprove your message.
I used ExpressVPN for a while. I primarily only used it in public wifi areas, at hotels, conferences, etc. My initial concern came from people at tech conferences that I saw actively hacking the routers at the conference centers and just sitting and watching internet traffic. Some conference centers were either using outdated firmware with known vulnerabilities or in some cases setting ridiculously simple administrator passwords.
Many people at conferences I have been do just to very blatant network scans as well, just trying to connect directly to shared drives over the network, over-trusting bluetooth devices, etc. A VPN won't protect you from direct attacks like that. I've heard a lot of people trying to use VPNs on public wifi for that reason, to which I always say to make sure you have a personal firewall or detection service on your machine.
What I have found useful is having my own cloud account. Because I do a lot of cloud development, I have accounts on multiple cloud providers. I created a "hopping VPN" of my own that just jumps between clouds, services, regions, etc. with ephemeral IP addresses. Still limited range of IPs, but it's at least somewhat helpful. Through use of Terraform and a couple other tools, it's easy to get everything you need set up **FAST**.... but I'm also a software architect. I keep the Docker containers I use up-to-date with security patches, etc, which is part of my day-to-day job anyway. It's easier for me than the general public, but I am trying to think of ways to OSS my solution to help.
I know it's only a small layer of protection, but when I'm in a public space I get paranoid about some of the bizarre things places do and restrict.
We're in a state right now where privacy is a big concern, but there's also not much we can do about it. Everything has vulnerabilities and holes. I try to explain to corporate clients that even things like firewalls are merely a deterrent and not perfect, security and penetration scans only work for known things, etc. but it's rare people will listen. Many times, even for PCI compliance and other things, people scan once and never scan again nor set up active monitoring/logging for potential violations.
Some new, innovative idea is needed - and I haven't seen one and haven't been able to think of one on my own... yet.
valuable information thank you. even tho i don't understand anything about thsi field your explanation was very clear. but in a nutshell what vpn i should you ? what's the safest one
@@lalalala-qc7cp it depends. I find that most of the big name ones are "ok." Most of the big names are held accountable for "bait & switch" (where they protect you from your ISP seeing things, and they just sell it instead).
I've had good luck with ExpressVPN (I specifically need global VPN for testing some stuff), I've *HEARD* (emphasis on heard) good things about Surfshark, NordVPN has a ton of people using it, CyberGhost is supposed to be good for people who travel a lot. I don't know must about Proton VPN, but they certainly have a heck of a showing out there and for the money they seem to be wonderful. If I was switching, I'd probably go Proton VPN at the moment for my own needs.
Surfshark I think gives you more devices per account for less charge.
I recommend looking up what your needs are. Such as "best VPN for simple home use" or "best VPN service for travel," etc.
It's like when people ask me "what gun should I buy?" I always tell them "it's not about what I use, it's about what fits you, your comfort, and your usage/needs."
@@substance-1 ZenMate VPN or CyberGhost. They are situated in the EU and have stricter data protection laws.
Nord actually got audited to verify their “no logs” claim as legit.
Well, look how that turned out
Wolfgang's Channel Pretty well? No user data was taken because no logs were kept.
@@NeoCreo1 For real?
Star Foxdelta Hmm?
@@NeoCreo1 They really found no data since there were no logs?
Another valid use case for VPN: livestreamers and social influencers concerned with bad actors (or just whiney script kiddies) from capturing their IP address
Just started and this is already false information
1. The hacker did not hack into the server. He physically broke into a server room that was in another country.
2. He was there for awhile but he didn’t and couldn’t get any information because nord does save user data.
"couldn’t get any information because nord does save user data"
how did saving user data prevent the hacker/housebreaker from getting information?
The guy meant doesn't, obviously
I'm tired of replying the same thing to NordVPN shills in the comments.
From TechCrunch's article:
"The attacker gained access to the server - which had been active for about a month - by exploiting an insecure remote management system left by the data center provider; NordVPN said it was unaware that such a system existed"
"Remote" in this sentence kind of suggests that the access wasn't physical, don't you think?
And even if the access was physical, even if the attacker didn't get any logs, that changes absolutely nothing.
NordVPN's infrastructure got compromised, they tried to hide it for almost a year, were forced to admit the situation and apologize after someone outed them on Twitter. If after all of that you still trust them, you're either a shill or a fool.
This is almost worse!
Why shill for the sake of shilling??? If they fucked up they fucked up
Thanks for the video! Here is another use case, your ISP throttles your connection based on what you are doing... with a VPN they can't use this technique to throttle your connection because they don't know what you are doing.
Then they'll throttle VPNs if those get popular enough
@@Liggliluff then, they'll be losing customers.
@@DARTHMOBIUS Tor was technically created by the government anyways so selling out to NSA is like me selling out to grandma when she gave me a $20 bill for Christmas.
@@Nickholast Aren't they already by throttling?
This is why we need net neutrality. Data is data, and shouldn't be charged based on what it is or its usage.
@@DARTHMOBIUS Holy shit this is so wrong. Stop pretending to be smart please.
First of all, TOR was co-funded and developed by the US.
Second, it wasn't sold out to the NSA. There is exactly zero information on the web.
Anyone can create nodes and gather data from it or hijack browsers if you are stupid enough to allow scripts.
What if I build my own VPN server, put it in Switzerland and go to Antarctica where there is no state?
I was wondering the same thing.
Putty SSH tunnel is easier
You can do that with a NAS
That already exists... ProtonVPN is based in Switzerland.
Some science team is using the wire or whatever in Antarctica.
I saw this in my feed today, finally, someone who understands that VPN's are NOT protection for privacy but simply an exit point somewhere else in the world and the provider can LOG everything.
As can your provider. As can the cell towers that you’re near. Etc.
Just because they can does not mean you should stop using VPNs entirely.
I like how "journalist" got lumped together with "drug dealers"
And activist
Yes, that does a disservice to drug dealers.
I hold all of the three in high regard.
Well to the eyes of government, they all are criminals
ikr (well, except for CNN)
This is really bad advice for someone who values privacy. Ranks as one of the most misinformed videos on TH-cam for 2019.
It doesn't if you actually know something about privacy. No, watching Mr. Robot doesn't count
@@WolfgangsChannel so salty
@@WolfgangsChannel Your whole argument is basically "A server got hacked. That means VPNs are bad".
@@skyesfury8511 the argument is that you shouldn't assume ur ANY safer by using a VPN^^
@@skyesfury8511 VPN are great FACT
God no. They know what Netflix shows I watch.
“Netflix”
It’s a joke dude 😅 Tristan Cruickshank
@@davidc.2164 that's a joke too
Lmao
They know all incest porn u watch
This isn't a reason not to use a vpn it's just pointing out that a lot of people have been mislead. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use them you just need to be me more aware of what it's actually doing. It's not a perfect solution but it is part of one. And make sure you choose your vpn carefully, do your research first don't just trust a youtube sponsorship.
so, stop using VPNs unless you have one of the most common use cases for VPNs? of course if you are doing something illegal or highly delicate a VPN is not nearly enough, of course it doesn't wash your car nor make you dinner. Those "edge" cases you mentioned at the end are the most used cases for a VPN, maybe that's why torrent support is a main feature advertized, massive ISP blocking is a very common thing (maybe not in your country) but is commonplace for other countries. And to exchange the posibility of a VPN provider selling your data is sometimes acceptable against the certainty of your ISP provider doing the same specially when one is local and the other isn't. Not only chickbaity title, also very innacured one, maybe when not to use a VPN would be better; dos and donts of VPNs or something along those lines; VPN is a glorified Proxy? really?, no, just no, is like saying SSL is useless, the endpoint can see the data anyway. Nonsense.
You and me probably understand that VPNs are only good for those three things that I mentioned, but most VPN services advertise "ultimate privacy" and 100% protection from spying which is exactly what I have a problem with.
@@WolfgangsChannel That's why the title is misleading because in fact VPNs are not, just like SSL, even conceived for absolute privacy and nothing is 100% protection. Not VPNs, not SSL, not condoms, even the encryption difficulty numbers are the mathematical theoretical strength, with a perfect implementation but implementations also fail as we saw with OpenSSL. I don't think that a misleading title and tone in a video is a solution to the misleading content of advertizing; I appreciate the content of this video because many could get a false sense of security, but the tone and title bothers me, it invites to that toxic attitude of "who cares about security and encryption we are f*?!d anyway", and the faulty argument that if something is not 100% is not worth it. If you trust a VPN more than your ISP then a VPS is good. Right now I'm too cheap to have a VPN but understanding their pros and cons I may consider one in the future. I trust my IPS less than I trust cats or muggers.
It's statistically easier to "get lost" in an ISP traffic. Since VPNs have more "interesting" traffic going through them, they attract more interest from the authorities. A VPN would still submit your logs to the government faster than you can say "Snowden", and I would NOT recommend using a VPN service if you're trying to do anything that could get you in trouble in a country with strong censorship and surveillance laws.
The fact that VPNs are used in a wrong way for the most part does not mean that "we are f*?!d anyway". It's just that online privacy is not that easy.
@@WolfgangsChannel about "getting lost", I don't think is relevant, is not like there is a person with not enough time; everything is automatically labeled so an ISP could target everyone and in fact in many places they do; there is not such thing as getting lost in the crowd. And about the logs to the gov, I'm sure it would happend if USA or Germany ask them, I'm not as sure is a small country like mine (Chile) as for them. And as I said to trust a VPN for sensitive data, life threating data is looking for trouble and I wouldn't recommend them for that, but if you are avoiding your account to get flaged for torrenting or browsing some hacking websites, to me is perfectly fine. I doubt my local ISP or gov will spend time and political leverage to deal with foreign VPNs to give piracy warnings.
@@WolfgangsChannel of course if you are protecting from bombs and mortars a bulletproof vest is useless, it doesn't mean that bulletproof vest are useless. That's why I think the title and tone of the video should be in the lines of what VPNs are really for, what they are useful and useless for. In security there are no silver bullets, that's why you need a threat model and evaluate your solution based in the risks, the potential attackers and protect accordingly. Stop using MD5 would also be a blatantly wront title, because iven MD5 has it's uses, of course don't use it to encrypt, there is useless, but to HASH and quickly check data integrity is perfectly fine.
"Stop using VPNs" just don't use the Internet at all
Edit: Thanks for the 400 likes
Marshal Murat wait huh
@@TropicalAsian-1000 why would it matter to police or fbi seeing your stuff we are worthless to them
install Temple OS
Redinvite
@@hilalbolat9890 if you or any relative/friend ever decides to protest against the government, everything can be used against them. In the US, that is already a problem right now. Even worse so in most disctatorships, especially China, NK, HK, Taiwan, Thailand etc.
Otherwise there is not a big chance they the gov. will use it against you, but never say never.
It's also not just about governments but about hackers trying to steal your private information and possibly your money, or just random companies wanting more information from you so they can advertise more efficiently
7 minute video why you shoukdn't use a VPN
Piracy: "i'm about to end this man whole career"
This video only highlights the down side. Even if ISP's see that you are using a VPN, they still cant directly report activities related to what you are doing. While yes VPN's might report on what you are doing, this is actually easy to prevent. Just run 2. you're ISP would then have to contact your 1st VPN, then your first VPN would contact the second. This is actually what a tor network does but with 3 levels. 80% of people using VPN's don't have a reason for going that deep, something like piracy is such a de-criminalized thing. All you really are doing in that case is just making it where they have to put work into seeing what you are doing, meaning endless you do something irl, odds are no-one will know.
Its the difference of getting a ticket with no proof of you doing the said speed limit, vs a ticket with dashcam footage. One will easily be thrown out in court, one will easily have the book thrown at it.
"ExpressVPN doesn't keep any traffic logs or monitor user activity. It does keep connection logs including the date of the connection (not the time) and the server used. ... ExpressVPN doesn't log your IP address, but the connection logs are tied to the user account." - gag orders sound scary, but if they got nothing to give except time stamps of accessing a VPN, it isn't much, is it?
BTW, not even a timestamp apparently... "Note that ExpressVPN defines the term “connection logs” slightly differently to how we have defined it above, and according to their definition (which doesn’t include datestamps or amount of data transferred), they don’t keep any connection logs. Those discrepancies aside, the important thing here is that the company maintains no logs of any data that could be used to identify an individual user."
A recent case saw Turkish authorities seize an ExpressVPN server as part of an investigation. However, they found no useful information, a fact that serves to back up the company’s no-log claims.- www.comparitech.com/vpn/vpn-logging-policies/
To me, this advice is like telling someone do not wear any condoms at all, only wear the very best ones only....(at least how it's titled, which at least you said it could have been titled better)
I was hacked using "the best" VPN.
This guy knows what he's talking about.
@Martian Android Well we know for a fact that ExpressVPN had their servers sized by the Turkish government and they refused to help the Turks to identify anyone on the network. The Turkish government failed to break the encryption and they never got any useful data. I would consider that a pretty good data point.
Stop using seatbelts for safety... because it might not save you. Yeah, that logic.
I trust my vpn more than I trust my ISP.
Plus, it's not Nord throttling my connection to netflix
Not sure if you mentioned geo-spoofing as a benefit of VPN
he does when he talks about pros, did u watch til the end?^^
Love your honesty and your concern for other people's privacy🔐. Refreshing to say the least. "Subbed 👍🏽"
@guy behind the game why is that?
Thanks, Wolfgang.
Also I'd like to add that hosting your own VPN is a good method of reaching your localhost from anywhere in the world securely (through VPN split-tunneling) at a multi-layer service (bare-metal, VM and cloud) as long as you have ssh and a VPN client running.
Currently there is no way shape or form in the USA for anybody to speak freely without censorship ON EVERY PLATFORM.
A more correct video would be - stop using VPN companies that you cannot trust.
ok so which ones CAN I trust?
How do you distinguish between VPNs you can and cant trust? What makes you trust a VPN provider?
@@awagnow mullvad vpn got raided by police and no customer data was found. So to trust a vpn we raid them
@@awagnow Mullvad is quite trustworthy since they were literally raided and the police found absolutely no data 💀💀
that's it, I'm gonna set my PC on fire
🤣🤣🤣🤣 do it
HAHAH
Next video should be “Stop Playing Raid: Shadow Legends”
lolL
Omfg, I love the background music, where can I download it? 🥺
What do you mean "don't cheap out"? There are KVM VPS in freaking Luxembourg for $2 a month. What can be cheaper?
Edit: they even explicitly allow you to keep a Tor exit node (!!), and in general their ToS are rather... minimalistic.
That sounds like a great deal! I only found deals for 5€ a month, OpenVZ servers go for as little as 10€ a year
Share some links
Man I accidentally bought a nord VPN because i didn't cancel the free trial, so I thought "welp Maybe I can get something out of this" and I see this video. Pain
Anything with a free trial is already a scam. They don't believe enough in their product to give it out for free for 1-2 days without a payment to fall back on.
don't feel pain because Nord VPN is one of the better non-14 eyes VPNs and the video maker is a misleading asshole who conveniently did not mention that Nord breach didn't get attackers to access to data flowing through the server. They got access to a key, that could be used to fake their own server to seem like a Nord VPN server. But it is nether proofed, that this was used, nor did it affect most of the servers. Meaning Nord VPN was pretty much unaffected and the users were all safe.
my often accurate paranoia says: If I were a govt agency or govt employee whose job it was to track people's activity online, specifically people who attempt to hide their activity (meaning they are likely doing something they dont want the govt to see), I would create a vpn service. It would work perfectly, a vpn service run by the govt, disguised as an 'anti establishment' 'anti-govt' service that "keeps your data private", and people who want to hide their activity would voluntarily sign up for this vpn/trap, and would function as a pipeline of data to the govt, specifically from people trying to hide their data from the govt. i see youtube/google as part of the establishment, and if mainstream youtubers with big channels, who get paid by youtube, are advertising nordvpn, that is sketchy to me
but most peoples are ignorant and will call you conspiracist
Well that would be illegal for the government to do
@@shinokami007because it is conspiratory.
It is completely possible that it's a government honeypot, but it's also equally possible that it's isnt.
@@twitchycorpse4378 Because the government has a perfect track record of following the law. /s
The VPN Server still dumps all of the traffic onto the VPN Server's ISP network. So if you self host a VPN Server, that traffic is still being dumped on your ISP's network as if they were on the same local home/office network.
if you're using a work/school owned computer and they have their stuff set up right, it doesn't matter what you do. They can log (screencap) what you see on your screen if they want. This can happen anywhere you use that computer, not just on their network. Use your own computers for stuff you'd rather your work/school not know about.
Ehehhehehehe already bypassed that by turning off internet, I doubt my school can afford remote recording
Video: "Stop using VPNs"
TH-cam: *Gives me an ad for a VPN service*
I'm renting a VPS for 1€ per month. It runs on VMware ESXi, has one core and a whopping 512 MB of RAM. I only use it to hide streaming totally legit video from the dorm admins because they might ban me from internet access for that. So... yeah, no it's not about achieving "ultimate privacy". It's for hiding connections from my ISP (= university)
Let me guess. Religious institution stopping porn
Then what should we do? Browse the internet on international waters?
Yes 😎
VPN is good for piracy and bypassing geoblocking tho
Geoblock being king here
I had to turn on my VPN to see this video, without it this video has an error.
What if I don't want comcast sending me letters about file sharing
oh . no worries there, if you have comcast, in 2019, you no longer have access to sites that allow file sharing. They block them now. I know, I tried lol! Yep, Amerika! Outside the US, I noticed my google results and sites where much more expanded.. a curious thing, freedom.
@@pianokeyjoe you do realize that there's a ton of mirror sites, which change url often, right?
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I do. I tried but kept finding alot of them blocked. I never experienced internet censorship in person until I visited Florida in 2019 and tried to visit said sites. Now I know how the Chinese feel. Scary stuff.
I use a VPN for one reason and one reason only MLB STUPID blackout rules ( I cannot fathom how someone 400 miles away from a team stadium will ever buy tickets to a game more than at best one time in a year) because of that I have to spend 60 stupid bucks a year to circumnavigate that.
for pia there is public record court precedence to back their no logging claim, showing they could not provide useful info, at least. this is subject to change, obviously.
if you have to be told the stuff in this video, you don't need a vpn
vpn can be useful if you know how to use them, tho
Unfortunately: PrivateInternetAccess, a privacy-focused VPN provider is merging with Kape, a company well known for exploiting user data and distributing deceiptive, privacy-threatening software.
Source: www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/e0iw2g/privateinternetaccess_a_privacyfocused_vpn/
@@themedleb thank you for this comment! I didn't realize this, looks like I'll have to find a new VPN soon.
Thanks for making us more aware of dangers of VPN. What would you recommend as an alternative of VPN?
tor
your actual internet connection
@@Naleksuh nice
I use a non-14-eyes-VPN Tunnel for all the reasons you mentioned at the end. Also Nord VPN stated that they now encrypt all their harddrives from now on, not that I can check on that.
NordVPN say they now encryped all their hard drives but part of me just doesn't believe them. For years they were saying in their commercials that they had so-called "military grade encryption" as part of their service but they still got hacked. Most of their money goes into marketing and very little gets invested into tech.
thelongslowgoodbye They didn’t get hacked by breaking the encryption. If that was the case, there would be someone that could break any encryption in the world.
TLDR was that a server provider left an unsecured management account active. It got hacked in March 2018, the provider found out about the breach and killed the account, but hid it until Nord found out in April 2019, killed the server and fired the provider, then decided to audit their servers before publishing the incident, as no logs or user info was at risk, because they don’t keep any. Nord was never directly hacked, no data was at risk.
@@NeoCreo1 "no data was at risk" unless someone unauthorized got access and started logging.
Video about stopping using VPN.
TH-cam: VPN add at the beginning
Me: -_-
You mean "ad" right?
@@LeelaSlayys Yeah I do, I typed it wrong.
Appreciate this candid tutorial on VPNs ...I currently live abroad in a controversial country where one should cover their tracks when navigating online...being careful has become an established habit.
If you connect to a VPN server outside of your country, which is the point in your case. It’s unlikely the country that has the vpn server will force the vpn provider the logs to your country
1:53 You say that trusting the claims for no-logging policy is the only thing you can do and you can't check.
Not an ad, but PrivateInternetAccess has made their software opensource, and I remember an interview with Linus, their CEO said "don't trust our words, check the code for yourself". This was what sold me to get a subscription with them.
Too lazy to check the code B(
Any what you have on your PC is not secure.
VPN client can replace client's SSL sertificats and any VPN node can read your private information.
Ultimately one of my primary reasons for using a VPN is privacy against my ISP and public networks. Which it does wonderfully.
I need a VPN to play GTA 5 but I can't figure out which one is the best. Pretty much any R* game is not safe to play using any of their services because of their P2P servers and extremely outdated player security.
My iso throttles me I can download steam games at 2mbs without VPN and 15+ with VPN
You are confusing privacy with being anonymous… using a VPN service makes you more secure but not anonymous necessary
Start windows , start VM , start VPN ,start Tor , voila you got basic level protection , it ain't going to be enjoyable one bit , like using a hammer to screw a screw .
@@hungarmaw what is vm?
@@lechevalnoir8892 Virtual Machine. You run an imitation Windows OS in your Real one
Nothing with security/privacy in it will ever start with the keylogger and screenshot logger that is Windows spyware
can someone tell me what vpn i should use to watch naruto shippuden on netflix (its not available in the U.S.)
people never consider the fact that i want whoever is spying on me to see the horrible things i say