Great discussion! Regarding our blessed hope, in Proverbs 7:19 the goodman is surely a reference to Jesus, and the day appointed from Proverbs 7:20 has also been translated as full moon. From Steve Fletcher's recent post, I'm 100% on board with the notion that a night during Sukkot is the highest watch date for The Rapture to happen so far. It resonates greatly with so many scriptures, studies, signs, dreams and visions. The Rapture taking place under the light of the Full Moon on October 17th is very fitting, since Jesus said he would come as a thief in the night, when no one was expecting it. Let's not forget Jesus snuck into the Temple during Sukkot aka the Feast of Tabernacles, giving the message that he is the light of the world. Jesus being stealthy also connects with the the name, Hunter's Moon! The Lord Jesus may well be the Hunter, coming at night during the Feast of Tabernacles, to snatch his Bride away to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb! Maranatha King Jesus!
That is an excellent point you bring about Jesus coming secretly into the Feast of Tabernacles, I can't believe I didn't connect that in! I mention in my book that Jesus cries out (in John 7:37-39) on the last *great* day of the Feast! In the Greek that word "great" is megas, and it was the Greek word used for the Holy Convocation Feast Sabbaths (it is also used in John 19:31, for the 15th day high sabbath, that was soon coming after Jesus died, again proving that the Last Supper was not the Passover). So it was on the eighth and final day of the Festival that Jesus spoke those amazing words: NAS John 7:37-39 Now on the last day, the *great* day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.'" 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
I believe the AC is revealed after the rapture because its when he signs tbe 7 yr covenant, and also, if rapture is not on the feast of trumpets, what event fulfills the feast if its not the rapture? Nothing needs to take place for the rapture to happen.
The AC does not sign a peace covenant. That verse is talking about Jesus, not the antichrist. Jesus confirms the covenent. Jesus is the HE in that verse.
@@robertdoell4321 From what I see that day would not be a fit...The ascencion happened in May, so that would not fit with being the exact day (as happened with Passover and Pentecost). I think the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles fits best. Thank you for your question.
My opinion is that we simply don’t know when the FoT is because the calendars are confused. For me personally I’m just looking at every new moon for the remainder of fall. I think we are 100% in the season, everyone knows that, now we just watch.
Well said. However, to wake many Jews up simultaneously at the rapture, it would make sense for it to just happen to coincide with mainstream FoT. I think we are totally down to the final two years though. Have you seen Tyler and Pete Garcia’s 4 year rapture window videos? They are nearly two year old videos now.
I don't see it as a problem at all...as the video showed, the apostles taught that certain things need to happen before the day of the rapture, so until those things happen there is no imminency.
@@ivangodin1850 see 2 Thess 2:1-3, where it says that day (the day of our gathering together unto him) will not come until the antichrist is revealed and the falling away (apostasy) comes first. Also, we see in Revelation 12:1-5 that the catching away of the manchild (aka the bride, the perfected spiritual body of Christ) happens after the seventh head of the beast is crowned (meaning the seventh world gov is in effect). We see the same falling away there, as the devils tail (deception) throws 1/3 of the stars (believers who had light) to the earth (loosing their light). These seven heads are the seven world empires, as Rev 17 describes, John and Jesus lived during the 6th world empire (Rome, "one is" John says), and the seventh world empire is coming in soon. All the best to you.
@@ivangodin1850 when it says he is revealed I think it means outwardly (that's what the Greek word apokalupto means, to uncover, reveal)...so who are you believing it is that has been revealed?
The key argument of the FOT only crowd is that first 4 feast days were fulfilled in order and so must the next 3, therefore as the next unfulfilled feast day is FOT, and the next event to happen is the rapture, the rapture has to be on FOT. You have to ask yourself, if the rapture isn't the FOT, which event does fulfil FOT? Maybe post tribbers will say something else happens at the beginning of the tribulation, or the beginning of the trib itself fulfils FOT, and then rapture is at the end, and is the last feast day (last great day). Or maybe mid tribbers will say rapture is tabernacles. Interesting to think about.
He already told us as in days of Noah, an appointed day chesvan 17 Nov 5. Jesus fulfilled the spring feast and will fulfill the fall ones at the second coming.
No, jewish bride did not know the day of her wedding. It was all up to the father of the groom, once the groom was done preparing a place for her. (Sound familair?) So the expected bride wore her dress at all times and her maidens kept her looking prepared
I know there are traditions along that line but I have not seen it in the scriptures? When Jesus and his disciples were invited to the wedding (John 2:2) they would have needed to specify a certain day. Back before cell phones and email they would need to know the exact day weeks ahaead of time and notify all friends and relatives of the coming day. It's hard to imagine that this day would be kept secret from the bride, when all else would know. But if you have scriptures on this I would love to know them, and thank you for your comment.
@TheMessianicFeast easy- the scriptures about the virgins and the oil, you mentioned it in the video. If that wasn't a parrable on being ready for the bride at any moment, idk what is!!! I do agree though, we will know the season. The bride obviously knew there was a bride coming for her or she doesn't have been out in the fields. And not knowing the day or hour is VERY specific. Like saying you know the weekend. I think we are close, and i agree the "ingathering" is a very good date to look for!
@@Fearl3ss234 Yes, I sure agree we need to be ready, as the bride makes herself ready (Rev 19:7). Paul did say that for those walking close to the Lord the day would not overtake them as a theif...yet we also have Matt 24:44, where Jesus told the apostles he was coming in an hour they did not think. Jesus also told them on the day he ascended (Acts 1:6-7) that there were some things relating to timing that were not for them to know at that time. And in the scriptures we do see the apostles writing at times as if the Lord could come soon (Luke 19:11, 1Peter 4:7, James 5:8). So again, it is possible that the Lord was meaning he would come at an hour "you" think not (i.e. the apostles, did not understand it was a few thousand years away), yet when the time actually comes the bride may know. Lots to put together!
If the pre-tribulation rapture were to happen on ANY feast day, then it would by definition be an "Appointed day", and therefore a "KNOWN" day... and yet God says that NOBODY knows the day or the hour of "that day" (beginning of the day of the Lord). Unlike the PRE-tribulation rapture, the post tribulation "gathering" IS A KNOWN DAY. (end of the tribulation period 7 years from the covenant). ALL of the fall feast days are fulfilled at the END of the 7 year tribulation... INCLUDING the feast of trumpets. Now that the feast of trumpets has come and gone this year, most who mistakenly believed that the pre-trib rapture would be then have now postponed their rapture date setting for a year.... which is also in error, because Jesus warned us to be ready on ANY DAY!... What is it going to take for believers to actually believe that they cannot predict this event??? It's going to happen any day now, but rest assured it won't be on a feast day, because TOO MANY PEOPLE are EXPECTING IT THEN... thanks to videos like this.
Actually there are several... see 1Thess 5:4, 1 Thess 5:9, and Rev 3:10 (where in the Greek the Lord says I will keep you *out of* the hour of trial *which shall come upon the whole earth*. So therefore those believers (who are the bride) will no longer be in the earth when the tribulation comes. Also Rev 12:1-5 where the manchild (aka the bride, the perfected spiritual body of Christ) is caught up to God and to His throne. This happens during the seventh world government that is coming soon (notice all seven heads have a crown before the manchild (picturing the raptured believers) is caught up to God. But this rapture happens before the antichrist takes power in the 3 ½ year tribulation (as comes in soon after in Rev 13). And Jesus speaking about one being taken and one being left behind (Matthew 24:37-42), says it is just like Noah (so those who are taken escape the cataclysm, just like in Noah’s day).
@@TheMessianicFeast 1. All 1 Thessalonians 5 does is cancel the idea of imminency. 2. Wrath is poured out in Revelation 16:1 and it is clearly stated. 3. Revelation 12: 1-5 says nothing about this event being before the tribulation. In Chapter 13, it says the Beast will overcome the saints. 4.The Beast with seven heads does not necessarily mean it is a seventh world government. Got scripture to back that one up? 5. Matthew 24:21-31 Verse 21; The Great Tribulation Verse 22; The days of the tribulation are shortened for the elect's sake. Why would this be necessary if they are gone? In Strongs 1588, there is only one type of elect mentioned. It ain't "tribulation saints," which is a slur. Verse 29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Verse 31; The elect are gathered. Note that there is no pretribulation rapture mentioned in the preceding series of events. 6. 2 Thessalonians 2:3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;... You will find the rapture if you read down to verse 11. 7. Noah returned to the earth.
Yes, as the video showed and as the apostles taught, some things need to happen first. And when those things happen (antichrist revealed, world gov, etc) then we begin to look up with anticipation.
Atonement has to come to repent jubilee. Messiah has to come in jubilee year. Why so many don't this is confounding. Tabernacles is 7 years wedding reception eight day is gods day which is last trump God blows
Great discussion! Regarding our blessed hope, in Proverbs 7:19 the goodman is surely a reference to Jesus, and the day appointed from Proverbs 7:20 has also been translated as full moon. From Steve Fletcher's recent post, I'm 100% on board with the notion that a night during Sukkot is the highest watch date for The Rapture to happen so far. It resonates greatly with so many scriptures, studies, signs, dreams and visions. The Rapture taking place under the light of the Full Moon on October 17th is very fitting, since Jesus said he would come as a thief in the night, when no one was expecting it. Let's not forget Jesus snuck into the Temple during Sukkot aka the Feast of Tabernacles, giving the message that he is the light of the world. Jesus being stealthy also connects with the the name, Hunter's Moon! The Lord Jesus may well be the Hunter, coming at night during the Feast of Tabernacles, to snatch his Bride away to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb! Maranatha King Jesus!
That is an excellent point you bring about Jesus coming secretly into the Feast of Tabernacles, I can't believe I didn't connect that in! I mention in my book that Jesus cries out (in John 7:37-39) on the last *great* day of the Feast! In the Greek that word "great" is megas, and it was the Greek word used for the Holy Convocation Feast Sabbaths (it is also used in John 19:31, for the 15th day high sabbath, that was soon coming after Jesus died, again proving that the Last Supper was not the Passover). So it was on the eighth and final day of the Festival that Jesus spoke those amazing words:
NAS John 7:37-39 Now on the last day, the *great* day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.'"
39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
@@TheMessianicFeast Praise the Lord! I'm hopeful it encourages everyone to keep watching! We could be taken at an moment now!
@@orbhunterx in the video it was explained why the rapture cannot be any minute, but we can sure tell by world events we are getting closer!
@@TheMessianicFeast God is God! His timing is far different than we understand. Maranatha Lord Jesus!
@@orbhunterx Yes, but God does not go agauinst His word, Jesus said not one scripture would be broken, we must accept all the scriptures!
I believe the AC is revealed after the rapture because its when he signs tbe 7 yr covenant, and also, if rapture is not on the feast of trumpets, what event fulfills the feast if its not the rapture? Nothing needs to take place for the rapture to happen.
Is it possible for the festivals to have more than one fulfillment?
The AC does not sign a peace covenant. That verse is talking about Jesus, not the antichrist. Jesus confirms the covenent. Jesus is the HE in that verse.
@weflysoon2024 As the video shows, the apostles Paul and John say some things do need to happen first...I'll stick with what they taught.
Could JESUS ascension to Heaven be the Fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets?
@@robertdoell4321 From what I see that day would not be a fit...The ascencion happened in May, so that would not fit with being the exact day (as happened with Passover and Pentecost). I think the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles fits best. Thank you for your question.
My opinion is that we simply don’t know when the FoT is because the calendars are confused.
For me personally I’m just looking at every new moon for the remainder of fall. I think we are 100% in the season, everyone knows that, now we just watch.
Well said. However, to wake many Jews up simultaneously at the rapture, it would make sense for it to just happen to coincide with mainstream FoT. I think we are totally down to the final two years though. Have you seen Tyler and Pete Garcia’s 4 year rapture window videos? They are nearly two year old videos now.
Even though a rapture on a particular feast day makes a lot of sense, it creates a HUGE theological dilemma:
NO IMMINENCY
I don't see it as a problem at all...as the video showed, the apostles taught that certain things need to happen before the day of the rapture, so until those things happen there is no imminency.
@@TheMessianicFeast
Please.
What things?
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@@ivangodin1850 see 2 Thess 2:1-3, where it says that day (the day of our gathering together unto him) will not come until the antichrist is revealed and the falling away (apostasy) comes first. Also, we see in Revelation 12:1-5 that the catching away of the manchild (aka the bride, the perfected spiritual body of Christ) happens after the seventh head of the beast is crowned (meaning the seventh world gov is in effect). We see the same falling away there, as the devils tail (deception) throws 1/3 of the stars (believers who had light) to the earth (loosing their light). These seven heads are the seven world empires, as Rev 17 describes, John and Jesus lived during the 6th world empire (Rome, "one is" John says), and the seventh world empire is coming in soon. All the best to you.
@TheMessianicFeast
The AC has been revealed to the world back in 2008.
He has just not yet manifested himself.
@@ivangodin1850 when it says he is revealed I think it means outwardly (that's what the Greek word apokalupto means, to uncover, reveal)...so who are you believing it is that has been revealed?
The key argument of the FOT only crowd is that first 4 feast days were fulfilled in order and so must the next 3, therefore as the next unfulfilled feast day is FOT, and the next event to happen is the rapture, the rapture has to be on FOT. You have to ask yourself, if the rapture isn't the FOT, which event does fulfil FOT? Maybe post tribbers will say something else happens at the beginning of the tribulation, or the beginning of the trib itself fulfils FOT, and then rapture is at the end, and is the last feast day (last great day). Or maybe mid tribbers will say rapture is tabernacles. Interesting to think about.
It will be the Lord's day.
He already told us as in days of Noah, an appointed day chesvan 17 Nov 5. Jesus fulfilled the spring feast and will fulfill the fall ones at the second coming.
No, jewish bride did not know the day of her wedding. It was all up to the father of the groom, once the groom was done preparing a place for her. (Sound familair?) So the expected bride wore her dress at all times and her maidens kept her looking prepared
I know there are traditions along that line but I have not seen it in the scriptures? When Jesus and his disciples were invited to the wedding (John 2:2) they would have needed to specify a certain day. Back before cell phones and email they would need to know the exact day weeks ahaead of time and notify all friends and relatives of the coming day. It's hard to imagine that this day would be kept secret from the bride, when all else would know. But if you have scriptures on this I would love to know them, and thank you for your comment.
@TheMessianicFeast easy- the scriptures about the virgins and the oil, you mentioned it in the video. If that wasn't a parrable on being ready for the bride at any moment, idk what is!!!
I do agree though, we will know the season. The bride obviously knew there was a bride coming for her or she doesn't have been out in the fields. And not knowing the day or hour is VERY specific. Like saying you know the weekend. I think we are close, and i agree the "ingathering" is a very good date to look for!
@@Fearl3ss234 Yes, I sure agree we need to be ready, as the bride makes herself ready (Rev 19:7). Paul did say that for those walking close to the Lord the day would not overtake them as a theif...yet we also have Matt 24:44, where Jesus told the apostles he was coming in an hour they did not think. Jesus also told them on the day he ascended (Acts 1:6-7) that there were some things relating to timing that were not for them to know at that time. And in the scriptures we do see the apostles writing at times as if the Lord could come soon (Luke 19:11, 1Peter 4:7, James 5:8). So again, it is possible that the Lord was meaning he would come at an hour "you" think not (i.e. the apostles, did not understand it was a few thousand years away), yet when the time actually comes the bride may know. Lots to put together!
Fall feasts fulfilled in reverse order?
If the pre-tribulation rapture were to happen on ANY feast day, then it would by definition be an "Appointed day", and therefore a "KNOWN" day... and yet God says that NOBODY knows the day or the hour of "that day" (beginning of the day of the Lord). Unlike the PRE-tribulation rapture, the post tribulation "gathering" IS A KNOWN DAY. (end of the tribulation period 7 years from the covenant). ALL of the fall feast days are fulfilled at the END of the 7 year tribulation... INCLUDING the feast of trumpets. Now that the feast of trumpets has come and gone this year, most who mistakenly believed that the pre-trib rapture would be then have now postponed their rapture date setting for a year.... which is also in error, because Jesus warned us to be ready on ANY DAY!... What is it going to take for believers to actually believe that they cannot predict this event??? It's going to happen any day now, but rest assured it won't be on a feast day, because TOO MANY PEOPLE are EXPECTING IT THEN... thanks to videos like this.
There is not one single verse that clearly places a rapture event before the tribulation. Not one.
Actually there are several... see 1Thess 5:4, 1 Thess 5:9, and Rev 3:10 (where in the Greek the Lord says I will keep you *out of* the hour of trial *which shall come upon the whole earth*. So therefore those believers (who are the bride) will no longer be in the earth when the tribulation comes.
Also Rev 12:1-5 where the manchild (aka the bride, the perfected spiritual body of Christ) is caught up to God and to His throne. This happens during the seventh world government that is coming soon (notice all seven heads have a crown before the manchild (picturing the raptured believers) is caught up to God. But this rapture happens before the antichrist takes power in the 3 ½ year tribulation (as comes in soon after in Rev 13).
And Jesus speaking about one being taken and one being left behind (Matthew 24:37-42), says it is just like Noah (so those who are taken escape the cataclysm, just like in Noah’s day).
@@TheMessianicFeast
1. All 1 Thessalonians 5 does is cancel the idea of imminency.
2. Wrath is poured out in Revelation 16:1 and it is clearly stated.
3. Revelation 12: 1-5 says nothing about this event being before the tribulation. In Chapter 13, it says the Beast will overcome the saints.
4.The Beast with seven heads does not necessarily mean it is a seventh world government. Got scripture to back that one up?
5. Matthew 24:21-31
Verse 21; The Great Tribulation
Verse 22; The days of the tribulation are shortened for the elect's sake.
Why would this be necessary if they are gone? In Strongs 1588, there is only one type of elect mentioned. It ain't "tribulation saints," which is a slur.
Verse 29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."
Verse 31; The elect are gathered. Note that there is no pretribulation rapture mentioned in the preceding series of events.
6. 2 Thessalonians 2:3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;... You will find the rapture if you read down to verse 11.
7. Noah returned to the earth.
I believe Jesus is coming anytime. Because the Bible tell us. When you see these things happening look up your redemption draw nigh.
Yes, as the video showed and as the apostles taught, some things need to happen first. And when those things happen (antichrist revealed, world gov, etc) then we begin to look up with anticipation.
Atonement has to come to repent jubilee. Messiah has to come in jubilee year. Why so many don't this is confounding. Tabernacles is 7 years wedding reception eight day is gods day which is last trump God blows