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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- Map: Fortress
Sea (Terran)
- Name: 염보성 (Yum Bo Sung)
- Team: MBCGame HERO
vs
Jaedong (Zerg)
- Name: 이제동 (Lee Jae Dong)
- Team: Hwaseung OZ
League: 2009-2010 Shinhan Bank Proleague
Date: 2010-07-13
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경기력이 무슨 와...
지금봐도 감탄만 나오네 ㄷㄷ
Absolute domination. I wonder if Sea even had a chance.
there is no balance or imbalance, just the skill of the players
Crazy Zerg!!!
Good to see it make a comeback.
아니 옵저버님... 16분 16초는 화면 고정했어야지... 드랍 하는건 알겠는데 저때 플레이그 바이오닉이 다 묻어있었는데 베슬이 이레디 거니까 울트라가 다 달려들어서 1피 마린 다 학살하려는 장면이었는데
ㅋㅋㅋ ㅈㄴ웃기네 이사람
아....추억이여...
i agree that the game is very balanced between the races (though i read a lot of a terran advantage , cause pretty stable in early- . mid - and lategame) ,
but NOT at all comparable to chess. In chess there is no chance - everything that happens is a consequence of your or opponents actions/moves.
I so wanted to see a psi-counter when those supply depots were going down...
테란 잘 몰라서 그런데 염보성님은 왜 벌처, 탱크를 안뽑은거죠? 체제 변환 할 타이밍이 없었던건가요?
The Terrans APM and micro-controll were excellent, of course. But even this is not enough against Jaedong )))
The result was a game of “cat and mouse” from the latter.
16:35이쁘다
역시 이제동은 내마음속 넘버원이다 시원시원하고 자비 없게 경기하는 진정한 폭군
I think Blizz did a terrific job balancing this game it's probably more balanced than chess. (ppl argue yes). however, terran do possess several too many advantages that would make help determine the outcome of an equal skilled "tvz" game. BTW this game was not equal, JD is by far the superior player in skill level.
Also, terran are the most resource efficient, which is a HUGE advantage. You will often see a zerg on 4/5 bases while a terran is on 2, slowly getting their 3rd, and pumping out mass marines like nobody's business. BTW for ppl that say "air" counters mass tanks... Look at what happened to Jd's guardians, ass raped, as will a larger number of air.
jaedong!! YES
fucking amazing ZvT despite how much of an uphill battle it is for Zerg
I'm surprised Sea didn't get tanks earlier to pressure Jaedong's natural sunken line and try to bust it
He got dropships way too late
서플깨는 판단이 승리의 열쇠였네
@elan2000
Vessels guarded by marines are not vulnerable to scourge. It's a player's mistake if he lets Vessel wander too far from his marines. Lurks become useless with irradiate and +1 armor from bio. And no T player is going to attack lurkers straight up with bio. He waits for his tanks to kill, and goes to clean the remaining 1 or 2 lurkers. No, Ultras / Defilers come out AFTER vessel. Any decent player would know this. T units just hard-counter Z units simply put.
@biitakeshi you're wrong... overall all match ups are balanced but sometimes the maps are favoring some race... my opinion is that , this map favors a little bit zerg, but it's just my opinion... no offence to anyone.... very nice game gg jae!!
저그유저로서 이제동 후반운영은 진짜 개사기
like he deals with any other drop - send a squad to clean up
or in some cases - counter aggression. Though taking out a zerg base while your main is getting destroyed is a bad idea
@hellsassasin1
well i do play Terran thank you very much. And I think its more imbalanced at the progamer level, I think races are pretty balanced at the casual level
@Deveshh nah, its jaedong's mutas( would you have any less turrets?)
@SuperiorBeen
You're ignorant. Dark Swarm is easily avoided by using stim + run out of swarm, then irradiate the defiler/lurkers. Ultras definately help Zerg but without it, Zerg is pretty much dead because tanks / irradiate/m&m rapes every Z unit. Ultras are taken down by irradiate +tanks.
Hive tech only helps ZvT push it closer to 50/50 again. That period of time b4 hive tech, Z struggles to survive. Just the fact that Z has to reach a certain tech to make MU more fair shows how imba it is
@hellsassasin1
You say that T > Z > P > T but Toss doesn't have an easy matchup vs. Terran. Late game T with full mech upgrades 200/200 army rape 200/200 Toss army. THAT is why Terran is so imba. Because its actually T > Z > P, and P=T. Terran has no weak matchup. PvT is the most balanced non mirror matchup in the game.
Your looking at 54% of games out of thousands and thousands of games. A few percentage is hundreds of games lost. A lot of Z players have claimed T was imba race (ex. Calm)
@bolatus According to kespa rankings (june 2010) the game is balanced and all races are represented . 1st : Flash - Terran // 2nd : Jaedong - Zerg // 3rd Goojila : Protoss. Etc, etc. So quit crying.
@bolatus
check dreamliner in the current osl
1-8 tvz
Here's the bottom line to this balance/imbalance debate:
There will always be imbalances, but generally i think terran have the most advantages in any MU. in tvz/tvp terran require the least tech and unit versatility, an obvious advantage. Also sci vessels are kinda lame, I mean even in this game JD could spend 100-100, then 50-100 time "X" for guardians, then sci vessels will just completely negate that. Another example is terran mass tanks... What exactly can counter that w/o being countered?
lings, many lings ... Cracklings
Where is the siege tanks?
why did he gg? just the huge base differential? didn't look like the econ had kicked in from it so I felt like he could have fought it out
no money. His main base is dried now. With 1 expansion that is constantly being interrupted as the fight occurs there, can't defend against never ending 4-5 expansions fueled zerg. Too many ultralisks, which will increase in number; no tanks.
운영지린다.. 진짜 폭군
It's almost like there was a bet if jaedong could beat sea without even making a hydra den
승원좌 해설 역시 착착감기네
In any game commentators show race winrates of the map. I have never seen a map where zerg has won more than terrans yet, and its always like 8-5, 11-6, 10-8 for terran. Which simply means its not maps problem, the game is not balanced. Just check average OSL and MSL winners
@okay21088 I think if you can play terran at a level that the ever so slight racial imbalances in starcraft become important you might deserve a little advantage for youre playing the most demanding race in the game, at least mechanically.
This game has nothing to do with that however as a) Jaedong won and b) he deserved it for playing super well and c) the map is terran favoured (even if only 13 games were played so far).
map balance might be another reason for imbalances btw; just saying...
Should've did earlier drop ship play.
传送门和蝎子用的很好，天牛也很猛
2 robots running on fuel to control a tvz matchup.
Robot 1 = T
Robot 2 = Z
The Z robot will burn more fuel hands down. Basically, the game is balanced, its just some races require a bit more skill from the player to compete. If your competent like these pro-gamers, you will see that the games balanced. Only noobs complain imba.
Jaedong just proved its possible to win, what more do you want.
money is power
@hellsassasin1
Just because a matchup is imbalanced, does not mean that Terrans will win 95% of the games from a 100 matches. Zerg had 1 single season of dominance compared to Terran dominance of more than 7 YEARS. A season is not even a year. No I watched progames since 5 years ago. T has had the most winning percentage out of ALL games played, won the most number of MSL/OSL, had the most "bonjwas", etc.
A matchup can be imba and still have Terran win only 60 out of 100 games.
yes indeed, because if a race is favoured 100% for early game and the other race wins 100% lategame and theyre even to win overall, it just shows how imbalanced it is.
@okay21088 uphill battle my ass. Once the Zerg has dark swarm and ultras is game over for the terran.
5:55
Nuff said kekeke
염보는 뭘믿고 이제동의 11시 7시 견제도 안하고 운영 싸움 하려는거지?
아니 뭔 디파일러 울트라 나오는거 알고도 드랍쉽 한번 가고;;
6:00 Take that nerds:)
More nerdy chicks like us then you think there are :)
man they sure talk fast
too much devastation
염보성 뭐함? 저그 11시 7시 개꽁으로 가져가고, 하이브완성 되고 게임시간 10분 되도록 저그한테 아무것도 안 하네 ㅋㅋ 뭐하냐 뮤탈대비로 터렛도 너무 많이 짓네 터렛공장장인가
무슨 미션받았나 이제동에게 견제1도 안 하고 방치하다가 유린당하기?
대놓고 해처리피는거 걍 scv 4마리정도 미리 보내서 지지면 피기도 전에 깰거 같은데
我见的为数不多的jaedong不用口水和地刺的比赛。P.S.: 16:36 有美女
@Alexsteen
Wow amazing :) Sea really overreacted to those mutas (or did he?)
South Korea*
디파일러 이제동맥경화됬어 ㅋ
@zz22394
lolol chinaman talking about starcraft?
unheard of
깡패네 깡패여
theorycraft going on in the comments
지금보니 해설 asl조합이네ㅋㅋㅋ 이때부터 개드립의 싹수가
22:08
GGEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
이거 맵이 저그한테 너무 유리한데? 3가스 4가스를 일꾼만 넘어갈 수 있는 구조이면 마메가 견제도 못하고 테란이 보고 있을 수 밖에 없음. 철구가 저그해도 이길듯
개소리 ㅋㅋ 테저 상대전적 8:5 쳐보고와라
@@김찬영-u2c 8대3 전적 드립 ㅋㅋㅋ 팩트체크부터 ^^
6시에 디파일러 낌 ㅋㅋ