I've been dreaming of a small hexa since the Shrediquette MM6! That was one of the 1st FPV video I saw. fpv-freun.de/en/rc-stuff/multicopter/kk-hexa-mm6
damn seeing this hexacopter makes me wish we could see more of them, imagine a 7 inch hexacopter, the flight times on that thing would be amazing, like probably 40min or more
On the hex having the two middle motors failing also results in a crash! That's because you then have 2 CW on the left and 2 CCW on the right. The momentum-eqation doesn't fit anymore...
Do you remember what camera you filmed the indoor footage on the desk was? Excellent 4k quality. I'm assuming your lighting setup was a tad upgraded, too. Seemed well lit.
Yeah, I agree that hex is more reliable due to the redundant motors, which is important thing for long range. However, if the reliability is the selling point, then the VTX, RC links better be more reliable with diversity antennas. Additionally, I doubt how well betaflight can handle motor failure in the middle of flight.
Heya Dave, have you managed to get BF 4.3 working with the Flywoo Hexplorer's GPS? Would love to gain RPM filtering but updating seems to kill my GPS functionality..
Hey, darf ich fragen wo genau der Wald Spot war? München und Umgebung?? Bin auf der Suche nach abgelegeneren orten wo man nicht so sehr Leuten auf die Nerven geht. leider bin ich auf die DB/MVG und Fahrrad beschränkt
I would very much like to see a video of this drone flying on 5 motors. I'm sure thrust, pitch, and roll will be OK, but how well can it yaw? With only 2 remaining motors spinning in the same direction as the dead motor, separated by 120 degrees, can it yaw smoothly in both directions? This would decide if, upon motor failure, the pilot would have to land (which at least he/she could do safely) or is able to yaw towards home and fly back to the launch spot.
If you use two screws then you don’t really need it, just adds weight to the prop. I know that weight at the hub isn’t really felt by the motors, but in my mind... every gram counts.
I don't know but I assume flywoo wants the analogue version to be cheap and since unlike the vista version it doesn't need extra UARTs I guess they went that way
@@DaveCFPV I super appreciate you responding. Didn't expect that. Feeling catfished here bro. None of you youtubers mentioned it. Not even you and you have both versions, and AND in the beginning of your video you sorta imply both have the F7. Botgrinder has the analog and said it was the F7. So did they send y'all some spiked hex and change it later? Really frustrated with Flywoo and you, well guess it does just say "inspired by Dave c" 😒
Got the hexplorer, nice design, fly's ok but but has slow oscillations on the roll on the stock pids, when giving it higher throttle? Any advice welcome, thanks.
Dave, I think the hex will be capable of flight if one motor fails. BF should be able to handle that. However, I also believe that it will lose the ability to yaw left and right. When one motor fails, BF will essentially power down the reciprocal motor. Then the four remaining motors will be in a configuration such that yaw control will be very marginal or nonexistent. Basically, you will be able to descend for a soft and vertical landing, but with no ability to yaw left or right.
@@PropsOutProductions The directions of rotation of the remaining 4 motors. You need a specific set of rotation directions in order to be able to control yaw.
Which makes sense, but would if it would be possible for BF to recognize that one motor's down and power down the other, wouldn't it also be possible to reverse the directions of certain motors to emulate a quadcopter? Or would that be too dependent on which ESC/ESC firmware is being used?
Great review and comparaison with this beautiful hexacopter. I Can see a stiffer tpu mount for the Naked gopro on your video. Did you shared it on thingiverse ?
Hey Dave, I noticed your lithium packs had a nice plastic/foam end cap at the top and bottom of the cells to cover the area the shrink wrap misses. What's that material called? Where do you get it?
Well... I don't know if there are any advantages or if they're enough, but... It looks fun as hell! I want one! 😂 Great flying and review, Dave! Thanks!!! Happy holidays! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
So what do you think the highest performing platform for a 6s 18650 Lith- ion pack would be? if we continue down this road a little bit further. 5" hexa, 6" quad? is 20 min flight time enough for everyone? I'm not sure I could go for much longer.
I see this. "Diatone Mamba 2204 1450kv motor" and "HYPERLITE 2204-1722KV HV EDITION" at Pyrodrone. wouldn't a 6s lith-Ion spend most of its time around 4s Lipo voltages? 16.8-14v for 4s Lipo. 26.2 -15v for 6s Lith-Ion Use betaflight Power limit to get the KV you want... for when voltage is above ~17v that and 6s would help with amp draw which the Lith Ion doesn't like? I'm open to having no idea what I'm talking about. talking out loud. wish I had the parts and knowhow to push the envelope like you have done.
@@jhughes2286 if not possible in software just place a mechanical switch in one of the motor wires and a servo to turn it of LOL! Or a rele or a FET,... anything that cuts the power! Or a Tyne led VTX switch cutting the ESC signal from the Fc!
@@M.TTT. I think a 4" could work out fine. You wouldn't be carrying a gopro and the power to weight would be a bit lower but, you would get longer flight times for the same battery compared to a quad and that swoopy flying that only comes from a tri.
Alright considering that I'm complete retard regarding drones and have absolutely no clue how this whole thing works, what do I need to buy to be able to fly this puppy that would also be future proof for other drone purchases? I intend to get into the hobby via long range fpv first - shuffling batteries every 3 minutes isn't exactly my cup of tea, at least not yet. So far my shopping cart has Hexplorer LR and analog Skyzone SKY. What future-proof controller should I get that will be compatible with widest array of RC toys? What else am I missing in my shopping cart?
I can’t stand the amount of props and motors in view on the Hexplorer, it’s a deal breaker for me. If I wasn’t trying to stay sub250g I would go for a 5” over the Hexplorer, this one really seems like a gimmick to me. Thanks for the review and stay safe.
@@DaveCFPV yeah I got the hex and would be happy even if it flew like garbage as it looks so beautiful. However I am also really happy with its flight performance, it feels insane to fly for such a long time compared to the traditional 5 inch freestyle quads I am used to.
@@remainsmemories626 the induced drag of 2 xtra arms is considerably greater than the loss of 2 colinear props andtheextraweight of 2 motors. Guess it all comes down to what you love most.
Pointless gimmick...... if not trying to make a sub 250g long range quad then just build a 5/6/7 inch quad for better efficiency. With regards the new European laws if I quad is sub 250g and carries a camera it still needs registering!!!! (Outrageous) So I think the sub 250g may begin to die out as why bother with a lighter quad and go back to a 5 inch! ??
I'm basically not using my heavy 6" and 7" quads anymore. The lighter 4" and 5" alternatives are much more convenient. All I need to pack are 3-4 1P 18650 Liion Packs and I can fly for way over an hour. I can simply take all the gear along with me on a small 25l backpack. Also much less noisy and drawing attention.
And I dumped my sub 250 builds and am only using 7" inch since it's pointless due to new laws. Running 7" on low kv and Biblades is not much louder than those tiny fu**ers wich perform like crap. 7" flies longer, faster and better in any terms. So why mess with those sub 250 builds??
i have really been enjoying mine
Awesome review btw!
Dang that icy lake is just 10km away from where i live, what a surprise!
And props in view are just cool, just as hexas.
No need to explain, hexas are just cool. I would hang this frame on my wall as art.
I've been dreaming of a small hexa since the Shrediquette MM6! That was one of the 1st FPV video I saw.
fpv-freun.de/en/rc-stuff/multicopter/kk-hexa-mm6
@@yannickg6904 the firefly nano is out now, boy is that thing cool!!
Great insights and places to test it! Can’t wait to get mine. I also think it’s cool to see the motors in this configuration.
Very humble considering these were all made because of you 😂
damn seeing this hexacopter makes me wish we could see more of them, imagine a 7 inch hexacopter, the flight times on that thing would be amazing, like probably 40min or more
"- I found an even stupider spot to fly on."
LOL!!!
Smoother more precise control and 30% more lift!! AWESOME, new kit to buy now!
It's a great flyer. Ten plus minutes on 850 LiPo, carrying a RunCam5, very quiet, and the analog camera is fantastic.
On the hex having the two middle motors failing also results in a crash! That's because you then have 2 CW on the left and 2 CCW on the right. The momentum-eqation doesn't fit anymore...
Do you remember what camera you filmed the indoor footage on the desk was? Excellent 4k quality. I'm assuming your lighting setup was a tad upgraded, too. Seemed well lit.
Every one always asks why. Why a 7 inch? Why huge motors? Why a hexacopter? Because it's fun!!!!!
Hi Dave, awesome job. Where can I get the 5" frame ?
Thx
Yeah, I agree that hex is more reliable due to the redundant motors, which is important thing for long range. However, if the reliability is the selling point, then the VTX, RC links better be more reliable with diversity antennas. Additionally, I doubt how well betaflight can handle motor failure in the middle of flight.
Heya Dave, have you managed to get BF 4.3 working with the Flywoo Hexplorer's GPS? Would love to gain RPM filtering but updating seems to kill my GPS functionality..
Difficult to judge your assessment without flying them but I do think there might be some mileage in it.
Hey, darf ich fragen wo genau der Wald Spot war? München und Umgebung?? Bin auf der Suche nach abgelegeneren orten wo man nicht so sehr Leuten auf die Nerven geht. leider bin ich auf die DB/MVG und Fahrrad beschränkt
I would very much like to see a video of this drone flying on 5 motors. I'm sure thrust, pitch, and roll will be OK, but how well can it yaw? With only 2 remaining motors spinning in the same direction as the dead motor, separated by 120 degrees, can it yaw smoothly in both directions? This would decide if, upon motor failure, the pilot would have to land (which at least he/she could do safely) or is able to yaw towards home and fly back to the launch spot.
could you use a 1500mah 4s with this if using the smo 4k?
welcher 5" Copter ist das?
Das ist der Micro Long range 5" Ultralight...
Here’s a good propeller to try to increase the prop area for your 5”, Gemfan SL 5125 t-mount prop, 2.8g just don’t use the hub.
Someone else said they use t-mount without hub. Think was Dave c
That's what I use! Interesting,why not use the hub?
If you use two screws then you don’t really need it, just adds weight to the prop. I know that weight at the hub isn’t really felt by the motors, but in my mind... every gram counts.
@@DivergentDrones i feel ya. On a lot of my drones i dont put the screws on biblades and some tris
Cool Hex for sure, however, why doesn't the analog version get the F7 board and Bluetooth module? Pretty upset about it 😡
I don't know but I assume flywoo wants the analogue version to be cheap and since unlike the vista version it doesn't need extra UARTs I guess they went that way
@@DaveCFPV I super appreciate you responding. Didn't expect that.
Feeling catfished here bro. None of you youtubers mentioned it. Not even you and you have both versions, and AND in the beginning of your video you sorta imply both have the F7. Botgrinder has the analog and said it was the F7. So did they send y'all some spiked hex and change it later? Really frustrated with Flywoo and you, well guess it does just say "inspired by Dave c" 😒
@@DaveCFPV you're even holding the analog version @48sec and show it to the cam saying it has an F7 flight controller.
Got the hexplorer, nice design, fly's ok but but has slow oscillations on the roll on the stock pids, when giving it higher throttle? Any advice welcome, thanks.
Hello i have a problem with my hexplorer with the signal of video, it is new drone, but i dont know to do...
sub 250 hexplorer (nanoLR) 18650 with battery trays possible???
Dave, I think the hex will be capable of flight if one motor fails. BF should be able to handle that. However, I also believe that it will lose the ability to yaw left and right. When one motor fails, BF will essentially power down the reciprocal motor. Then the four remaining motors will be in a configuration such that yaw control will be very marginal or nonexistent. Basically, you will be able to descend for a soft and vertical landing, but with no ability to yaw left or right.
What would stop it from just behaving like a quadcopter after powering down the second motor?
@@PropsOutProductions The directions of rotation of the remaining 4 motors. You need a specific set of rotation directions in order to be able to control yaw.
Which makes sense, but would if it would be possible for BF to recognize that one motor's down and power down the other, wouldn't it also be possible to reverse the directions of certain motors to emulate a quadcopter? Or would that be too dependent on which ESC/ESC firmware is being used?
@@PropsOutProductions if you reverse the direction of rotation of a prop, it will now push down. Quad will crash.
You have gained another sub.
Great review and comparaison with this beautiful hexacopter. I Can see a stiffer tpu mount for the Naked gopro on your video. Did you shared it on thingiverse ?
Nice mate, still waiting for mine
In this age of dji hd, what’s the advantage of getting an analog?
Price ... And for racers latency
@@DaveCFPV in the topic of LR? Got myself the analog version, would have wanted the DJI. One thing in mind is the OSD
Would 2s li-ion be possible on 4850kv motors and a 4” prop if the low voltage cutoff issue could be resolved?
I guess it could yes but it will be hard to fly at 5V
Dave_C FPV yeah I figured that but 4850kv is the highest you can get in a 1404 without going crazy high
Why not try a 3" octo long range, with over under motor mounts. You could have a lighter frame with only four arms and still have the lifting power!
would be interesing indeed
www.shendrones.com/big-baby
just not toothpick components
Hey Dave, I noticed your lithium packs had a nice plastic/foam end cap at the top and bottom of the cells to cover the area the shrink wrap misses. What's that material called? Where do you get it?
It's a piece of 3D printed TPU
Hello Dave, congrats for all your amazing work.
Any chance to see this design on Thingiverse?
Tks
As soon as I have something more or less decent. This is just quickly put together and full of things to be fixed.
Hey Dave when is the mini long range "5inch" going to be out?
Around mid Jan probably
@@DaveCFPV awesome will it be from flywoo also?
I am wondering if converting this drone to pusher would make a significant difference
I guess it would just be annoying to take off and land 😁
@@DaveCFPV it's not a big issue to add some landing gear but at least props wouldn't be in sight
Put battery on the bottom as well? Less too heavy then
Well... I don't know if there are any advantages or if they're enough, but... It looks fun as hell! I want one! 😂
Great flying and review, Dave! Thanks!!!
Happy holidays! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you MC, hope you enjoy the holidays!
So I guess ur 5" can be setup to have a longer flight time.. and not much prop in view..
Hexacopters fly more stable much nicer to control, you can do large sweeping arcs.
Good info. Thanks Dave
Thank you for the information.
Very cool information.
O believe the 5” with 2 blade props is more efficient, isn’t it?
I'm not sure to be honest
So what do you think the highest performing platform for a 6s 18650 Lith- ion pack would be?
if we continue down this road a little bit further.
5" hexa,
6" quad?
is 20 min flight time enough for everyone?
I'm not sure I could go for much longer.
My best guess would be 6" props on 2204 1200-1300kV motors for a 6S Liion platform. Unfortunately, those motors don't really exist.
PS: depends...having >20 min also means you can do several flights on a single pack and don't need to carry more than 2 or 3 maximum
I see this. "Diatone Mamba 2204 1450kv motor" and "HYPERLITE 2204-1722KV HV EDITION" at Pyrodrone.
wouldn't a 6s lith-Ion spend most of its time around 4s Lipo voltages?
16.8-14v for 4s Lipo.
26.2 -15v for 6s Lith-Ion
Use betaflight Power limit to get the KV you want... for when voltage is above ~17v
that and 6s would help with amp draw which the Lith Ion doesn't like?
I'm open to having no idea what I'm talking about.
talking out loud. wish I had the parts and knowhow to push the envelope like you have done.
better than DJI mini 2? what's the point?
Not comparable... This is a real FPV drone and not a camera platform for casual users like the mini is
@@DaveCFPV I do agree. It's only for fun~
That test should be great, put a switch to cut one motor and see what happens!
How do you do that?
@@jhughes2286 if not possible in software just place a mechanical switch in one of the motor wires and a servo to turn it of LOL! Or a rele or a FET,... anything that cuts the power! Or a Tyne led VTX switch cutting the ESC signal from the Fc!
Why not just remove a prop and try taking off? Way easier to test.
@@MonkeySwing can burn the motor, it will spool up to 100%
❤️ 2021 ❤️ and i will need also a HEXA :D
Dave, so when we gettin info on those motors on the MiniLR??
It's the new HGLRC 2004
@@DaveCFPV Nice.. 1800kv.. Another good option.. Thx
No explanation required, ordered mine this morning just based on the cool factor....
Get your orders in and watch the jealousy😎
The cool factor really is the best thing about it! Plus it really flies well so why not.
I want a tricopter version. Haha less is more
5.5" prop maybe? lol
@@M.TTT. I think a 4" could work out fine. You wouldn't be carrying a gopro and the power to weight would be a bit lower but, you would get longer flight times for the same battery compared to a quad and that swoopy flying that only comes from a tri.
Nice explanation IMO it has the "cool" factor and the stability of flight is attractive. ....I am interested to see the redundancy tests .....lol..😎
Yes super curious too. If it can really lose a motor, ESC, or prop without immediately falling out of the sky that is a huge plus
@@DaveCFPV I think it will still fly if you lose one motor. However, I think it will be unable to yaw left or right. Yaw will be locked.
Pretty awesome, but the motors in view messes with my eyes lol.
Mit analog würde des fliegen zwischen den Bäumen noch schwerer werden
Absolut krass wie gut das DJI system mittlerweile ist :-) Auch wenn man DJI als Firma nicht unbedingt toll finden muss...
Alright considering that I'm complete retard regarding drones and have absolutely no clue how this whole thing works, what do I need to buy to be able to fly this puppy that would also be future proof for other drone purchases? I intend to get into the hobby via long range fpv first - shuffling batteries every 3 minutes isn't exactly my cup of tea, at least not yet. So far my shopping cart has Hexplorer LR and analog Skyzone SKY. What future-proof controller should I get that will be compatible with widest array of RC toys? What else am I missing in my shopping cart?
I can’t stand the amount of props and motors in view on the Hexplorer, it’s a deal breaker for me. If I wasn’t trying to stay sub250g I would go for a 5” over the Hexplorer, this one really seems like a gimmick to me. Thanks for the review and stay safe.
Yes a 5" is the more rational choice in any case. Still it's pretty cool to have a hex option
@@DaveCFPV yeah I got the hex and would be happy even if it flew like garbage as it looks so beautiful. However I am also really happy with its flight performance, it feels insane to fly for such a long time compared to the traditional 5 inch freestyle quads I am used to.
An x8 with 4 arms would've made more sense
Not really, adding second motor under first will not add 2x thrust
@@remainsmemories626 the induced drag of 2 xtra arms is considerably greater than the loss of 2 colinear props andtheextraweight of 2 motors. Guess it all comes down to what you love most.
From my experience: No BF does not have the capability to make use to the redundancy of a hex in its current state.
That would be a pity :-(
@@DaveCFPV I have a 2.5" hex, and the rear left motor failed (and kept failing until I found out why I was crashing suddenly).
Yeah, props in view is cool, hex is cool and a spot welder arrives on Tuesday. Dang it Dave, you kicked my wallet square in the nuts again 😆
Visible props in the gopro footage is a dealbreaker
*hexplained lol
Pointless gimmick...... if not trying to make a sub 250g long range quad then just build a 5/6/7 inch quad for better efficiency.
With regards the new European laws if I quad is sub 250g and carries a camera it still needs registering!!!! (Outrageous)
So I think the sub 250g may begin to die out as why bother with a lighter quad and go back to a 5 inch!
??
I'm basically not using my heavy 6" and 7" quads anymore. The lighter 4" and 5" alternatives are much more convenient. All I need to pack are 3-4 1P 18650 Liion Packs and I can fly for way over an hour. I can simply take all the gear along with me on a small 25l backpack. Also much less noisy and drawing attention.
PS: fully agree. Having to resister a 19g tiny whoop is a joke
And I dumped my sub 250 builds and am only using 7" inch since it's pointless due to new laws. Running 7" on low kv and Biblades is not much louder than those tiny fu**ers wich perform like crap.
7" flies longer, faster and better in any terms. So why mess with those sub 250 builds??