To add on to this reply🤔🤔 3:02 Links Awakening (blue warp points) Link to the Past (magic flute) Link between worlds (bird vanes) had fast travel 👍for the cookie😋😋
2:50 I don't want to be that guy, but I feel like you should know something. Loz - recorder AoL - tactical game overs ALttP - flute LA - warp portals OoT - and a boot... Sorry. Ocarina OoS/OoA - gale seeds MM - owl statues WW - whirlwinds TP - twilight portals PH - A slate that you draw on ST - portal gates ALBW - A bell to call Irene MC - ocarina of winds SS - bird statues BotW - shrines/towers TotK - shrines/towers and light roots FS/FSA/TH - level select EDIT: Thanks @danielgibson3422, and @lumindoesvideos for the info. Almost every Zelda game has a fast travel regardless of size. The original LoZ, the smallest map, has 8 fast travel points. Fast travel is pretty much a staple in the series.
Yeah the tineline always seemed kinda forced to me in the sense that some people asked for it so much that nintendo gave us one but i dont think and most of the games dont seem as if a lot of consideration was given to the timeline during developpement when the reference other games most of the time its vague and open to interpretation
Agreed, timeline shenanigans are an interesting side quest, and i always finish all the side quests, but the Main Quest is the important part. Give me a fun game with a good story and i will think about the timeline later
As an elder Millennial, I used to be more invested in the timeline in the 90's and early 2000's, as there were fewer than half a dozen Zelda games in existence, and several of them hinted at or referenced each other already. There was lots of environmental lore to be gleaned from talking to NPCs and the gossip stones. The concept of time travel and the creation of loops and alternate realities was fresh in the zeitgeist with media examples to pull from. In those days (roughly 1998/OoT era until about 2010/SS era), I was of the age to begin using the nascent "world wide web" to investigate and discuss the timeline. Eventually as more games came out, things became more convoluted and complex, with Nintendo attempting to keep a balance between "it's a legend, let it be vague" and "but there's clear throughlines, please explain!" Now as a 40 year old, I Feel less strongly about figuring out the timeline, and more interested in seeing some under-explored existing lore get a better treatment. I do prefer to explore current lore and concepts, rather than making too many more.
What I’d like to point out, and I think this is part of why such a big world for a 2D Zelda is so impressive, is the fact that this isn’t just the first 2D Zelda since ALBW… This is the first 2D Zelda made for a home console since A Link to the Past-that’s 33 years. (Yes, there’s FSA, but that’s a totally different type of game anyway.) Every 2D Zelda since then has been designed for handheld play: Less powerful systems, shorter burst gameplay conducive to playing on the go, stuff like that. This is the first time a large, adventure-focused 2D Zelda has had the chance to take advantage of being made for a home console in a LONG time. That’s super exciting.
The Legend of Zelda title format used by Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom and now Echoes of Wisdom was also used by the Link's Awakening remake.
I think he's talking about the game world being bigger than most 2D Zelda games. Zelda actually looks really small in the overworld compared to how Link looked in the similar looking world of A Link Between Worlds.
Might be so. Some said he would be because of something to do with swordfighting information. But with what we know now, Zelda does that, so who knows about Link?
In regard to the logo similarities and this being a followup to the Wilds Era, another Zelda TH-camr (I believe it was Zeltik) who played the game said that Echoes of Wisdom felt like the BOTW of 2D Zelda games. As someone who prefers 3D Zelda, that statement hypes me up. Can't wait to play this game.
I’ve actually theorised a lot about how this game will fit into the timeline and think that it would probably have something to do with where the time lines “merge” back into one. So probably wayyyy before botw. So botw has races that should technically not be alive at one (zoras and rito as rito ARE evolved zora). Echoes of wisdom also has races that we haven’t seen together at the same time (such as the evil zora and good zora). Some of these races were not spear in one of the three timelines as well. I really hope I am right bc it would be really cool to fill in that part of the time line and would link botw more to the past games. To me that would be the cleanest and most comfortable fit. Can’t wait to play!
I'm so glad it has Hero mode, as much as I like TotK, and to me it is a bit better BotW, but I missed Master Mode. I'm going to start doing that out of the gate, when it's available.
I've been wondering how large it is now that I've seen the map. Part of me is worried it may not have much content but then I remember: - a lot may be packed into region - we already have plenty of towns & tribes - there's also the still world Also it seems nintendo is saving the rito as a surprise, as I'm pretty sure the northeast is hebra mountain & theyre living up there
It'd be something to compete with the size implied by the scale of everything on AoL's world map. I mean, that tiny blob of land south of the mountains on the western continent is clearly meant to represent the entirety of LoZ's map. And you can view the LoZ and LttP maps as having a slight offset from each other / a fair amount of overlap with each other so they're basically the same region. LoZ and LttP were comparable to each other in scope and size. If AoL could've been made today instead they probably would do it in a way that doesn't make that mountain range take up 50% of the area of that western continent, but still... You can recognize an area we're familiar with within that map and it's seen as taking up only a small fraction of one continent while the entire map features two continents plus a large island. And on that western continent there was a solid ridge of mountains along the entire western edge of the map blocking us from seeing who knows how much extra land farther west on that continent (kinda like the impossible cliff running most of the way along BotW's western and northern edges, actually). I think AoL is still technically the largest map they've ever had in the series, actually. It's massively lacking in detail, for sure. But BotW's map only shows us one continent.
I think that the most noticable thing to me about this version of Hyrule is that Link already had his own adventure just prior to the Game with the Opening being the Final Boss and Dungeon of Link's Adventure. So what I am curious about is if Link already unlocked and explored all of Hyrule's Dungeons then will the Still World be used to change the Layout of said Dungeons if Zelda has to explore them to? After all, Usually the point of exploring a Dungeon is to clense it of Evil and if the the Dungeons fell AGAIN when the Rifts opened then Zelda would need to cleanse them herself.
Um.... Zelda A Link to the Past wasn't necessarily a large world and it was a game that you previously mentioned and in case you forgot.... that game had fast travel when you went up to those wind things that bird was able to fly you to different areas on the map... A Link Between Worlds has the broomstick that fast travels you around.. In A Link to the Past you could also in a sense fast travel from one certain area to another by going through those Zora whirlpools I know there's a few other examples I just can't think of them right now
Link's Awakening also had fast travel with the teleporters and the 2nd song on the ocarina. Minish cap also had fast travel similar to A Link to the past. And the Oracle games had the Gale Seeds.
I will say originally I thought oh it's just Tears of the kingdom but top down I don't care about this at all. But in a shocking twist the more information surrounding Echoes of Wisdom comes out the more I actually get excited! Like I love how many older elements and characters that Nintendo is putting the elements of old and new Zelda that I wanted in Tears of The Kingdom like the deku scrubs and the more basic fish people version of the Zora thanks for reading my comment
There's something in my gut telling me that they're showing us all these goods, only because they're hiding something. They did it with the Depths, what if there's a sky section in this one? Or something like that. It could really be anything at this point. 😂
@hydra2105 that's an interesting thing to keep hidden to me? They showed off all the other races, why would they keep the Rito a secret? I thought since the inclusion of both Zoras, they may just not be in this game.... but then we'd all miss out on Chibi Rito. We don't want that!
!!!! Who is Tri looking for? Can't remember what footage I was watching, but Tri is looking for their friends?? Game Theory: what if Tri is looking for DIN, NAYRU, AND FARORE?!
Too true and having the Link's Awakening look. And that took place on an island, it has a feel-good look however felt limited in small space. What a combo. [edit] as Timeline goes, up until release, It's in the Link's Awakening era. As far as the time split my theory is, this is the point of merging times that causes the flood in Hyrule. Just guessing.
This game is incredibly big, 12 hours straight and only thru 2 dungeons. It's going to be a challenge for anyone who goes in completely blind and hasn't watched any content about said game. The mechanics are novel and quite frankly it's probably going to end up being one of my favorite Zelda games ever.
It's decently big, though. LttP isn't *small* per se, so making it bigger is decently significant. Not saying it'll be huge, but I don't think it'll be disappointingly small.
0:37 So you're not counting the _Link's Awakening_ 2019 Switch remake? 2:56 _Echoes of Wisdom_ is not the first 2D Zelda with fast travel. _The Legend of Zelda,_ _A Link to the Past,_ all versions of _Link's Awakening,_ _The Minish Cap,_ and _A Link Between Words_ all had fast travel. In fact, is it not the case that only _Zelda II: The Adventures of Link_ was the only Zelda game *without* fast travel. 5:00 The open worldness of the original _The Legend of Zelda_ inspired the open worlds of _Breath of the Wild_ and _Tears of the Kingdom._ The prototype tech-demo of _Breath of the Wild_ even used _The Legend of Zelda_ graphic, demonstrating the open worldness and the physics. The… shot of the whole land of Hyrule in _The Legend of Zelda…_ had to be relegated to the manual for… technical limitations, of course. 7:06 I admit to the possibility that I'm wrong, but I'm predicting that _Echoes of Wisdom_ will take place around _Link's Awakening,_ _Oracle of Seasons,_ and _Oracle of Ages_ (as to which order, I'm not sure). If not, it's at least in the Downfall Timeline. Hell, it could possibly be in the Child Timeline, taking place sometime after _Four Swords Adventure,_ but that may be a stretch. However, _Echoes of Wisdom_ definitely won't take place in the Adult Timeline since the make is very similar to _A Link to the Past_ and _A Link Between Words_ world maps. 7:40 _Oracle of Ages_ also had both types of Zora. So I have my doubts that _Echoes of Wisdom_ is on a re-unified timeline as _Breath of the Wild_ and _Tears of the Kingdom_ are. 9:39 I see evidence that, while the map of Hyrule will be very similar to _A Link to the Past_ and _A Link Between Words_ world maps (as previously mentioned), it will be expanded to include areas previously not explored, being a much bigger world map than those titles. The area Zelda is in on this part of the video is even an area you can physically get to in both _A Link to the Past_ and _A Link Between Words_ just south of Lake Hylia. Anyways, thank you for making the this video. Despite the criticism, I did enjoy it. I'm really looking forward to _Echoes of Wisdom._
My bet is this game takes place at the end of the downfall timeline after lesser hyrule rebuilds and expands, reclaiming all the lost land of greater hyrule southwest of Death Mountain.
This the first new home console 2d Zelda single player game since link to the past. All the other games were on handheld devices or were the multiplayer 4 swords games. S
When you started talking about the waypoints you accidentally said Link, not Zelda. I'm assuming thats a mental typo because normally you have to talk about link. Also some things just look bigger than they do in A Link Between Worlds did. They have very similar maps from what I see in the trailers but Zelda looks so much smaller in comparison.
I'm just glad that we're finally getting a Zelda game where we get to play as Zelda. It's no breath of the wild but it's better then nothing. Hopefully one day we get an open world Zelda game, like botw, where we play Zelda.
I love this game It has a small learning curve due to well... Zelda! However It reminds me very much of an homage to LTTP (Eastern Ruins, for example)💯 The "missing" Link isn't missed all that much as you progress through the game The world is very explorative as you collect echoes and experiment in various ways An open world 2.5D Zelda is a very cool concept And the lore is pretty interesting You actually hear the "Legend of Link"😂💯
I have been thinking the same thing. I think the best comparison for this game would likely be Link Between Worlds. However, this game looks to be bigger. However, didn't Link To The Past and Link Between Worlds have fast travel? This world looks bigger, plus it has the still world. I'm kinda thinking that the still world is either something that will progressively be filled in... or it could be a sort of alternate plane between worlds. I expect that it will either be it's own large world or that there will be another world of some kind... plus all of the dungeons. I also think that this will likely have a lot of caves and such to explore like Tears of the Kingdom. To be clear, I don't expect it to be anywhere near as big as TOTK, but it should be at least the size of Link Between Worlds or even bigger.
I wish they would stop with this art style. I know that some people are into it, but this game could be better than OoT and the art would still make it unplayable to me.
i know, it’s so ugly. it comes off as lazy that they’re using the links awakening engine for this. it was cute for a one off remake, but now it’s just a sign of disinterest from nintendo
I still feel this game came out of the beta botw witch was a 2d Demo and there are things only work in 2d so there were many assets not used or useable for 3d + the awakening Remake gave a engine 🤔 but looking forward playing it🤩
@@wat-o-melon I remember the things the minish use to actively interact with hylians is only active once every 100 years. So maybe the things aren't open. Also I may be wrong but I think that could be a good lore reason to not include them.
@@lumindoesvideos we’ve seen a few different shots of the map apparently zoomed out and have previewed every region. assuming each region gets a fast travel point, that means 5-6 at most. you shouldn’t just say things without any basis. i understand you want the game to be big but realistically it won’t be and setting yourself up for disappointment is only going to frustrate you when it comes out.
Gamedev here. This game, and others like it, aren't "top down". They are what's called "3/4 perspective". "Top down" is like Hotline Miami where you can only see the tops of the characters heads. This is a very, very commonly misused term :(
Professional game dev here that has 8 years of industry experience. Every studio I’ve worked at would have no problem calling a game like this a top down game. The project I’m currently on is actually a very similar camera angle and we refer to it as a top down game.
Terms of timeline placement. I think its downfall. My reasoning being Ganon and his design. As to where its placed. Id like the idea of it being the Hyrule we see in the Oracle games. Mainly because its one we havent actually seen other than the still images we see.
I'm just now noticing the opening scene is looking at a LttP layout of Hyrule. At least the Lake Hylia, Castle, and Eastern Palace region. Maybe it's an expanded version of the LttP Hyrule?
Honestly I feel it'll be in the downfall timeline. I feel as though it's focused on the links awakening Hyrule/link and Zelda. Just from the art style alone.
I think it's a little foolish to care about lore or the timeline after TotK demonstrated that Nintendo clearly doesn't. At this point let's just hope this game is fun and doesn't have too much story or terrible writing.
@@GambitX37 yeah tbh i’m done with caring about the story of zelda. nintendo doesn’t care and will always see zelda lore as a cash grab. if the gameplay and map design doesn’t hold up this game has nothing going for it.
Adding the name of the series to the video title is likely an algorithm boost. Putting it at the end in parentheses reduces clutter and makes the title more readable.
Okay, saying Link instead of Zelda might be a force of habit, yada yada shit happens. Claiming that other games pf the past don't have had fast travel points, I'm sorry, but that's outright embarrassing. It makes it seem like you didn't deem it necessary to do some research or forgot about it, leading to false claims, which seems to be a poor choice for someone who prides themselves with doing Zelda content....
I don't know why people are focusing so hard on fast travel in the game meaning it's huge. We can see the map is big, I think the thing to talk about is how quickly we unlock fast travel. Fast travel in top down Zelda games isn't anything new. It was in the first game, ALttP, ALBW, OoS, OoA and LA.
Yup, I now realise that many past 2D games do have fast travel. My mistake, accept this cookie as an apology -----> 🍪
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To add on to this reply🤔🤔 3:02
Links Awakening (blue warp points)
Link to the Past (magic flute)
Link between worlds (bird vanes) had fast travel 👍for the cookie😋😋
Minnish cap (the best one)
Zelda 1 had warp points.
It's okay. Not everyone of us can be nearly 50 years old and have experienced each game upon release.
2:50 Ah, so Link is the girl! Gotcha.
super mario is my favorite zelda character in the sonic the fuzzy yellow mouse franchise 😂
oh how the tables turn 😆
Lol
Of course Link is a girl, always has been. The boy you play in Echoes of Wisdom is called Ganondorf.
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2:50 I don't want to be that guy, but I feel like you should know something.
Loz - recorder
AoL - tactical game overs
ALttP - flute
LA - warp portals
OoT - and a boot... Sorry. Ocarina
OoS/OoA - gale seeds
MM - owl statues
WW - whirlwinds
TP - twilight portals
PH - A slate that you draw on
ST - portal gates
ALBW - A bell to call Irene
MC - ocarina of winds
SS - bird statues
BotW - shrines/towers
TotK - shrines/towers and light roots
FS/FSA/TH - level select
EDIT: Thanks @danielgibson3422, and @lumindoesvideos for the info.
Almost every Zelda game has a fast travel regardless of size. The original LoZ, the smallest map, has 8 fast travel points. Fast travel is pretty much a staple in the series.
@@duckerdoo Definitely not where I thought your comment was going 😂
@@duckerdoo A Link Between Worlds had a bell that called Irene or her broom to take you places. Would take you to the wind vanes that you use to save.
PH had a slate that would warp you around by drawing on it.
Was thinking the same and looking for this comment 😄
Was looking for this comment. Thank you
Many older top down Zeldas did have a fast travel element. The earliest I can think of is A Link to the Past.
@@RyuuKageDesu Original LoZ you could use the flute to fast travel to the dungeon entrances.
@@RyuuKageDesu yes correct. Every zelda game that I know of has fast travel. The only ones I'm not sure about is zelda 2 and the first game.
@@nickdee5764 Completely forgot about that one! Thanks.
@@chrisjohnson9542 I had forgotten about the flute in the original. That basically means fast travel has been in the games from the beginning.
@@chrisjohnson9542 yeah they both had fast travel, using the flute to warp to specific locations.
I'm going to be honest, I don't care about the timeline, i just want to enjoy the game itself
Best way to enjoy them
Yeah the tineline always seemed kinda forced to me in the sense that some people asked for it so much that nintendo gave us one but i dont think and most of the games dont seem as if a lot of consideration was given to the timeline during developpement when the reference other games most of the time its vague and open to interpretation
Agreed, timeline shenanigans are an interesting side quest, and i always finish all the side quests, but the Main Quest is the important part. Give me a fun game with a good story and i will think about the timeline later
As an elder Millennial, I used to be more invested in the timeline in the 90's and early 2000's, as there were fewer than half a dozen Zelda games in existence, and several of them hinted at or referenced each other already. There was lots of environmental lore to be gleaned from talking to NPCs and the gossip stones.
The concept of time travel and the creation of loops and alternate realities was fresh in the zeitgeist with media examples to pull from.
In those days (roughly 1998/OoT era until about 2010/SS era), I was of the age to begin using the nascent "world wide web" to investigate and discuss the timeline.
Eventually as more games came out, things became more convoluted and complex, with Nintendo attempting to keep a balance between "it's a legend, let it be vague" and "but there's clear throughlines, please explain!"
Now as a 40 year old, I Feel less strongly about figuring out the timeline, and more interested in seeing some under-explored existing lore get a better treatment.
I do prefer to explore current lore and concepts, rather than making too many more.
I agree the world will be big but older 2D Zeldas did have fast travel. It was usually in the form of a flute calling a bird or wind to carry you.
What I’d like to point out, and I think this is part of why such a big world for a 2D Zelda is so impressive, is the fact that this isn’t just the first 2D Zelda since ALBW…
This is the first 2D Zelda made for a home console since A Link to the Past-that’s 33 years. (Yes, there’s FSA, but that’s a totally different type of game anyway.)
Every 2D Zelda since then has been designed for handheld play:
Less powerful systems, shorter burst gameplay conducive to playing on the go, stuff like that.
This is the first time a large, adventure-focused 2D Zelda has had the chance to take advantage of being made for a home console in a LONG time. That’s super exciting.
The Legend of Zelda title format used by Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom and now Echoes of Wisdom was also used by the Link's Awakening remake.
The "thats what she said" was devious 🤣🤣🤣
For me 2d Zelda os always huge and I don't understand why some look down on it
@@sausage5488 i think they mean game size overall.....
@@sausage5488 is there any other way to look at it?
@@erikmartinez6195 from the side in albw I guess
I think he's talking about the game world being bigger than most 2D Zelda games. Zelda actually looks really small in the overworld compared to how Link looked in the similar looking world of A Link Between Worlds.
@@sausage5488 it’s a top down view game it was my joke lol
Thanks
Thank you!
I'm really curious about the snowy region. I think that will give us a big clue for the timeline placement of EoW.
Not the “ that’s what she said” killed me 🤣🤣
My wallet is sobbing
I'm sorry you can't afford $59.99 plus tax.
2:51 Bro, Link isn't playable
Might be so. Some said he would be because of something to do with swordfighting information. But with what we know now, Zelda does that, so who knows about Link?
Probably just (Tri)force of habit.
Probably a mental typo he didn't catch because he's so used to Link being the main person.
he's in the prologue...
What do you mean? It's the first game where we play as Link.
so far its so mucj better than a link to the past the movement feels so much fluid
so excited for this new game!! it looks so cool
Yesss! I’m excited for it to hope they make the game real big for us to enjoy 😎
In regard to the logo similarities and this being a followup to the Wilds Era, another Zelda TH-camr (I believe it was Zeltik) who played the game said that Echoes of Wisdom felt like the BOTW of 2D Zelda games. As someone who prefers 3D Zelda, that statement hypes me up. Can't wait to play this game.
I’ve actually theorised a lot about how this game will fit into the timeline and think that it would probably have something to do with where the time lines “merge” back into one. So probably wayyyy before botw. So botw has races that should technically not be alive at one (zoras and rito as rito ARE evolved zora). Echoes of wisdom also has races that we haven’t seen together at the same time (such as the evil zora and good zora). Some of these races were not spear in one of the three timelines as well. I really hope I am right bc it would be really cool to fill in that part of the time line and would link botw more to the past games. To me that would be the cleanest and most comfortable fit. Can’t wait to play!
What about the actual game size? Like the files, etc. Do you think that can tell us how big the game will be?
6GB I believe
Happy Sunday everyone
3:03 I mean even links awakening had the song to fast travel with...
I'm very excited for the game and your videos to follow it! Could be cool to do an uncut playthrough as well!
I love all your videos so a hug for any chastising you get
I'm so glad it has Hero mode, as much as I like TotK, and to me it is a bit better BotW, but I missed Master Mode. I'm going to start doing that out of the gate, when it's available.
Finally! A game where we get to see what the Princess of Hyrule, Link, has been doing while Zelda was out having all his grand adventures!
I've been wondering how large it is now that I've seen the map. Part of me is worried it may not have much content but then I remember:
- a lot may be packed into region
- we already have plenty of towns & tribes
- there's also the still world
Also it seems nintendo is saving the rito as a surprise, as I'm pretty sure the northeast is hebra mountain & theyre living up there
The thought of a top-down 2D Zelda world the size of BotW Hyrule would keep me up at night.
It'd be something to compete with the size implied by the scale of everything on AoL's world map. I mean, that tiny blob of land south of the mountains on the western continent is clearly meant to represent the entirety of LoZ's map. And you can view the LoZ and LttP maps as having a slight offset from each other / a fair amount of overlap with each other so they're basically the same region. LoZ and LttP were comparable to each other in scope and size. If AoL could've been made today instead they probably would do it in a way that doesn't make that mountain range take up 50% of the area of that western continent, but still... You can recognize an area we're familiar with within that map and it's seen as taking up only a small fraction of one continent while the entire map features two continents plus a large island. And on that western continent there was a solid ridge of mountains along the entire western edge of the map blocking us from seeing who knows how much extra land farther west on that continent (kinda like the impossible cliff running most of the way along BotW's western and northern edges, actually).
I think AoL is still technically the largest map they've ever had in the series, actually. It's massively lacking in detail, for sure. But BotW's map only shows us one continent.
I gotta get this game.
In Hindsight, it kind of makes sense Zelda's first proper Adventure is a 2D One like Super Princess Peach was for Princess Peach.
I think that the most noticable thing to me about this version of Hyrule is that Link already had his own adventure just prior to the Game with the Opening being the Final Boss and Dungeon of Link's Adventure. So what I am curious about is if Link already unlocked and explored all of Hyrule's Dungeons then will the Still World be used to change the Layout of said Dungeons if Zelda has to explore them to? After all, Usually the point of exploring a Dungeon is to clense it of Evil and if the the Dungeons fell AGAIN when the Rifts opened then Zelda would need to cleanse them herself.
(9:26) "HEY! PHRASING!" 🤣
Are we still doing phrasing??
Um.... Zelda A Link to the Past wasn't necessarily a large world and it was a game that you previously mentioned and in case you forgot.... that game had fast travel when you went up to those wind things that bird was able to fly you to different areas on the map...
A Link Between Worlds has the broomstick that fast travels you around..
In A Link to the Past you could also in a sense fast travel from one certain area to another by going through those Zora whirlpools
I know there's a few other examples I just can't think of them right now
Good thing we already know it's decently expanded from LttP.
The save and reload system in the game was also a pritty good fast travel system.
Link's Awakening also had fast travel with the teleporters and the 2nd song on the ocarina. Minish cap also had fast travel similar to A Link to the past. And the Oracle games had the Gale Seeds.
Thanks for the great vid man keep up the grind
Thank you!
I wanted a Zelda game with a different character for sooo long, maybe in the future could play a Zelda with a hero that have the triforce of power
I will say originally I thought oh it's just Tears of the kingdom but top down I don't care about this at all. But in a shocking twist the more information surrounding Echoes of Wisdom comes out the more I actually get excited! Like I love how many older elements and characters that Nintendo is putting the elements of old and new Zelda that I wanted in Tears of The Kingdom like the deku scrubs and the more basic fish people version of the Zora thanks for reading my comment
There's something in my gut telling me that they're showing us all these goods, only because they're hiding something.
They did it with the Depths, what if there's a sky section in this one? Or something like that. It could really be anything at this point. 😂
Maybe and they haven't shown the Rito so there might be something going on with them or they don't exist at all in this Hyrule
I'm betting that we're getting a second map to explore. Not just Hyrule and the territory taken by the Rift.
@nachoolo I craaave a temple in the sky like the one they did in Minish Cap. There's a notable one in Twilight Princess, but I did not get that far. 😭
@hydra2105 that's an interesting thing to keep hidden to me? They showed off all the other races, why would they keep the Rito a secret?
I thought since the inclusion of both Zoras, they may just not be in this game.... but then we'd all miss out on Chibi Rito. We don't want that!
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Who is Tri looking for?
Can't remember what footage I was watching, but Tri is looking for their friends??
Game Theory: what if Tri is looking for DIN, NAYRU, AND FARORE?!
I’d love a Link to Past and Between Worlds in this same art style!
Haha, you referred to the main character as "link" ♥︎
Old habits die hard ♪
I have yet to play TOTK but want to play this more. BOTW was great and i am sure TOTK is too but this is the return to form i have been waiting for.
Waiting is slow progress
Great video!
Cannot wait
Me too!
The bigger the game/world is the better! So excited to play this game! 🥳
Too true and having the Link's Awakening look. And that took place on an island, it has a feel-good look however felt limited in small space. What a combo. [edit] as Timeline goes, up until release, It's in the Link's Awakening era. As far as the time split my theory is, this is the point of merging times that causes the flood in Hyrule. Just guessing.
This game is incredibly big, 12 hours straight and only thru 2 dungeons. It's going to be a challenge for anyone who goes in completely blind and hasn't watched any content about said game. The mechanics are novel and quite frankly it's probably going to end up being one of my favorite Zelda games ever.
2:51 you forgetting, you are playing as zelda
I’m guessing echoes will be in the wild timeline where ocarina of time never happened
We've already seen the map in the recent gameplay previews though. It doesn't seem to be that enormous tbh.
It's decently big, though. LttP isn't *small* per se, so making it bigger is decently significant.
Not saying it'll be huge, but I don't think it'll be disappointingly small.
0:37 So you're not counting the _Link's Awakening_ 2019 Switch remake?
2:56 _Echoes of Wisdom_ is not the first 2D Zelda with fast travel. _The Legend of Zelda,_ _A Link to the Past,_ all versions of _Link's Awakening,_ _The Minish Cap,_ and _A Link Between Words_ all had fast travel. In fact, is it not the case that only _Zelda II: The Adventures of Link_ was the only Zelda game *without* fast travel.
5:00 The open worldness of the original _The Legend of Zelda_ inspired the open worlds of _Breath of the Wild_ and _Tears of the Kingdom._ The prototype tech-demo of _Breath of the Wild_ even used _The Legend of Zelda_ graphic, demonstrating the open worldness and the physics.
The… shot of the whole land of Hyrule in _The Legend of Zelda…_ had to be relegated to the manual for… technical limitations, of course.
7:06 I admit to the possibility that I'm wrong, but I'm predicting that _Echoes of Wisdom_ will take place around _Link's Awakening,_ _Oracle of Seasons,_ and _Oracle of Ages_ (as to which order, I'm not sure). If not, it's at least in the Downfall Timeline. Hell, it could possibly be in the Child Timeline, taking place sometime after _Four Swords Adventure,_ but that may be a stretch. However, _Echoes of Wisdom_ definitely won't take place in the Adult Timeline since the make is very similar to _A Link to the Past_ and _A Link Between Words_ world maps.
7:40 _Oracle of Ages_ also had both types of Zora. So I have my doubts that _Echoes of Wisdom_ is on a re-unified timeline as _Breath of the Wild_ and _Tears of the Kingdom_ are.
9:39 I see evidence that, while the map of Hyrule will be very similar to _A Link to the Past_ and _A Link Between Words_ world maps (as previously mentioned), it will be expanded to include areas previously not explored, being a much bigger world map than those titles. The area Zelda is in on this part of the video is even an area you can physically get to in both _A Link to the Past_ and _A Link Between Words_ just south of Lake Hylia.
Anyways, thank you for making the this video. Despite the criticism, I did enjoy it. I'm really looking forward to _Echoes of Wisdom._
My bet is this game takes place at the end of the downfall timeline after lesser hyrule rebuilds and expands, reclaiming all the lost land of greater hyrule southwest of Death Mountain.
This the first new home console 2d Zelda single player game since link to the past. All the other games were on handheld devices or were the multiplayer 4 swords games. S
All I want to know is if we are going to get challenging, full sized dungeons.
i will do the 100% x)
i want to play it now sooo badly lol
2:50 "link"?
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When you started talking about the waypoints you accidentally said Link, not Zelda. I'm assuming thats a mental typo because normally you have to talk about link.
Also some things just look bigger than they do in A Link Between Worlds did. They have very similar maps from what I see in the trailers but Zelda looks so much smaller in comparison.
So someone was saying that this game could be a remake of wand of gamelon
I think they're onto something
Just curious, how come you don’t use the snack and drink licks submitted for the channel anymore? Nbd, just wondering! Love the vid
There aren't many submissions lately, when there is I try to use them :)
I'm just glad that we're finally getting a Zelda game where we get to play as Zelda. It's no breath of the wild but it's better then nothing. Hopefully one day we get an open world Zelda game, like botw, where we play Zelda.
@@BlueAngel008 I hope this does well enough the devs do it again. I'd love to see 3D Zelda game with Zelda committing the shenanigans.
I love this game
It has a small learning curve due to well...
Zelda!
However
It reminds me very much of an homage to LTTP (Eastern Ruins, for example)💯
The "missing" Link isn't missed all that much as you progress through the game
The world is very explorative as you collect echoes and experiment in various ways
An open world 2.5D Zelda is a very cool concept
And the lore is pretty interesting
You actually hear the "Legend of Link"😂💯
day 243 of mentioning that on 5/6/2023 hyrule gamer made a video where, at 43.46, he spent 12 seconds simping about the ancient gerudo soldiers
I have been thinking the same thing. I think the best comparison for this game would likely be Link Between Worlds. However, this game looks to be bigger. However, didn't Link To The Past and Link Between Worlds have fast travel? This world looks bigger, plus it has the still world. I'm kinda thinking that the still world is either something that will progressively be filled in... or it could be a sort of alternate plane between worlds. I expect that it will either be it's own large world or that there will be another world of some kind... plus all of the dungeons. I also think that this will likely have a lot of caves and such to explore like Tears of the Kingdom. To be clear, I don't expect it to be anywhere near as big as TOTK, but it should be at least the size of Link Between Worlds or even bigger.
I wish they would stop with this art style.
I know that some people are into it, but this game could be better than OoT and the art would still make it unplayable to me.
i know, it’s so ugly. it comes off as lazy that they’re using the links awakening engine for this. it was cute for a one off remake, but now it’s just a sign of disinterest from nintendo
I still feel this game came out of the beta botw witch was a 2d Demo and there are things only work in 2d so there were many assets not used or useable for 3d + the awakening Remake gave a engine 🤔 but looking forward playing it🤩
First "mainline" top-down Zelda in nearly a decade? Yeah, this game is probably MUCH larger than people are realizing.
How are you a zelda fan and not know most 2d zeldas had fast travel? Including the very first game which had multiple ways to fast travel lol
We got all the old races it seems, and other ones that we haven't in totk and botw..... BUT WHERE ARE THE MINISH!!!!!
@@wat-o-melon I remember the things the minish use to actively interact with hylians is only active once every 100 years. So maybe the things aren't open. Also I may be wrong but I think that could be a good lore reason to not include them.
Seems unlikely this game could be in any other timeline besides the A Link to the Past one.
So many Zelda games have nearly a copy of the world to expanse it.
it looks like theres only about 5 fast travel points. less than in ALBW, which is a fairly small game.
@@aricheec7722 there's probably more but we've seen 5 so far.
@@lumindoesvideos we’ve seen a few different shots of the map apparently zoomed out and have previewed every region. assuming each region gets a fast travel point, that means 5-6 at most. you shouldn’t just say things without any basis. i understand you want the game to be big but realistically it won’t be and setting yourself up for disappointment is only going to frustrate you when it comes out.
day 245 of mentioning that on 5/6/2023 hyrule gamer made a video where, at 43.46, he spent 12 seconds simping about the ancient gerudo soldiers
Gamedev here. This game, and others like it, aren't "top down". They are what's called "3/4 perspective". "Top down" is like Hotline Miami where you can only see the tops of the characters heads. This is a very, very commonly misused term :(
I think most of us know this but still say "top down", especially when referring to Zelda....for whatever reason. I know I do.
Thanks! So for a game like Death’s Door, would that be 3/4 perspective or Isometric?
@@CompleteProducer84 isometric typically refers to a 45 degree pivot around an axis, like Tactics Ogre or Hades.
Professional game dev here that has 8 years of industry experience. Every studio I’ve worked at would have no problem calling a game like this a top down game. The project I’m currently on is actually a very similar camera angle and we refer to it as a top down game.
@@HunterGoodin Ah I see now, that makes sense. Thanks!
Terms of timeline placement. I think its downfall. My reasoning being Ganon and his design. As to where its placed. Id like the idea of it being the Hyrule we see in the Oracle games. Mainly because its one we havent actually seen other than the still images we see.
i just want ninja zelda 😂
I'm just now noticing the opening scene is looking at a LttP layout of Hyrule. At least the Lake Hylia, Castle, and Eastern Palace region. Maybe it's an expanded version of the LttP Hyrule?
We knew that from the start and have seen the map to confirm that yes, it's an expanded LttP map.
Day one buy for me
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I agree with you
The original legend of zelda had warp points.
2:56 the only 2 that I have finished, Link between Worlds and Link's Awakening remake, do have fast travel points. Do most of the others not?
Previous "smaller" Zelda game was Link's awakening... not sure why you forgot to mention it 🤔🤔
@@charliesalazar3119 Probably because it was a remake, not an original title.
Because it’s a remake.
Normally, I preorder zelda games, but I will wait for reviews for this one 🤔
7:11 Idrfc. The fun and entertaining games to play timeline. There, answered. Moving on.
Honestly I feel it'll be in the downfall timeline. I feel as though it's focused on the links awakening Hyrule/link and Zelda. Just from the art style alone.
I think it's a little foolish to care about lore or the timeline after TotK demonstrated that Nintendo clearly doesn't. At this point let's just hope this game is fun and doesn't have too much story or terrible writing.
@@GambitX37 yeah tbh i’m done with caring about the story of zelda. nintendo doesn’t care and will always see zelda lore as a cash grab. if the gameplay and map design doesn’t hold up this game has nothing going for it.
WHO CARES about the timeline!? (Editor's note: this is a rhetorical question.)
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2:45 who? (￣ヘ￣;)
Y'all need to get over this hang up on the timeline of Zelda. It was NEVER the point
If you think this game is big…well, think BIGGER
Bigger the better!
Nice, but why hase it to be a body positivity fat ferry?
That’s the one where Zelda is a girl, right?
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Its not big at all im playing it right now. Atleast not the open world
I feel it's quite a big game!
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Why did you put Zelda in parentheses?
Adding the name of the series to the video title is likely an algorithm boost. Putting it at the end in parentheses reduces clutter and makes the title more readable.
@@theblueblazer999 they should remove it.
Okay, saying Link instead of Zelda might be a force of habit, yada yada shit happens. Claiming that other games pf the past don't have had fast travel points, I'm sorry, but that's outright embarrassing. It makes it seem like you didn't deem it necessary to do some research or forgot about it, leading to false claims, which seems to be a poor choice for someone who prides themselves with doing Zelda content....
I don't know why people are focusing so hard on fast travel in the game meaning it's huge.
We can see the map is big, I think the thing to talk about is how quickly we unlock fast travel.
Fast travel in top down Zelda games isn't anything new. It was in the first game, ALttP, ALBW, OoS, OoA and LA.
I dunno, but graphics wide it's the cutest Zelda game. 💖
day 238 of mentioning that on 5/6/2023 hyrule gamer made a video where, at 43.46, he spent 12 seconds simping about the ancient gerudo soldiers
Link's Awakening but it's more. Nice.
@@medicalpotion people look at similar graphic style, ignore that gameplay is completely different and call it more Links Awakening 🤣
What? It's nothing like Link's Awakening other than the art style is the same as the LA remake.
@@medicalpotion , Yup, if they use that logic, there's no other game in entire COD FRANCHISE
@@QuantumChrist Unironically this is facts
I think Zelda of wisdom is a continuing of Links of awakening 😂, because he was on his way home to save Zelda again 😂