Ben is a master of diplomacy and portrayed all 3 watches in a good light whilst seemingly seen to be sitting on the garden fence on all 3. But deep down he loves the Lange the most; as watch lovers we get it😆 Even today Patek cannot produce a chronograph movement which is up to ALS standards.
Doesn't it make more sense to compare the 1815 Chronograph with the other two (instead of the Datograph)? That would address the thickness and price concerns that you guys raised...
Thank you gents, I found this immensely helpful when deciding on the 5170G (same dial). Just picked up mine couple days back from a reputed AD, new of course. There's a definitive click that you feel when activating the Chronograph function, and reset is just buttery smooth. This is one of those pieces that has to be worn to be appreciated really. Every angle, every play of light gives it so much substance that is lost, especially in static media. Kind Regards, Mike.
3 very beautiful watches. I like them all but I like the A. Lange & Söhne the most, because of the date function. Thank you Hodinkee for an awesome video :D
gulfmen86 More diversity of design in their model range (the artistic VC pieces are some of the most beautiful in all of horology along with Ulysse Nardin). In terms of engineering prowess, they currently set the bar in terms of the watch with the most complications, the Reference 57260. The finishing on most VC movements is marginally superior to that of Patek (though not quite to Lange standards). And, historically speaking, I think it's going to be extremely difficult for Patek to surpass VC. From Napoleon, the man who conquered most of the western world, to Harry Truman, the only man to order that an atomic weapon be used on another country, the VC owners list is just vastly superior (if you care about that sort of thing in the first place).
flyingphoenix113 I dont take fashion advice from Napoleon... you're free to do so though. End of the day, numbers dont lie. Pateks numbers are better than VC.
gulfmen86 Which numbers? Pateks usually have better resale value (especially the Nautilus vs. the Overseas and the Calatrava vs. the Patrimony). But, as I said alluded to before, in terms of who can successfully produce the most complications, that has been won by Vacheron (for now). I'm not sure which company produces more timepieces per year (assuming that to also be Patek), but, to a small degree, exclusivity is something I would value in a purchase like that. Also, I wouldn't hate on Napoleon too much. His fashion was nowhere near as good as the various Hapsburg families, but it was not that bad. If such things mattered to a person they would probably own a Vacheron because it was worn by POWERFUL people, individuals who altered the very course of human history. Whether or not they are FASHIONABLE people would probably be rather irrelevant.
Lange is the one to have and to cherish imo. The other two are special, unquestionably but Lange is *the* reason that Patek has an in house chronograph movement and better finishing now. I am a big guy though with large wrists (19.75-19.8cm) so the larger case size isn't a big deal. Thickness is maybe more so but I 13ish mm is still cuffable for me and if I am being honest, I am a software engineer, the need for a dress shirt is confined to funerals and weddings.
Watch per watch the Dato wins to me. When talking value retention, obviousy the Patek it's a better purchase. Imho if the 5170 had at least one blue hand it'd look even more strinking. Maybe the chrono second hand. Also I remember when the Dato was 34K.
Out of those 3, I'll take the Lange, of you have the money for a watch like that, chances are you have quite few more watches at home so the thickness of the Lange shouldn't be that much of a concern because you can have a Piaget to go with cuffs. Just My humble opinion.
Considering Pateks are all over the place now, a VC that is sold much less, plus with a movement that may be sort of prototypic, the VC may very well retain or increase value better than the PP.
The datograph is the one you want as an enthusiast. On the wrist, you’ll lean more towards the 5170. When you consider the price and how it will hold its value … the 5170 murders.
I feel like the guard has changed. These represent the holy trinity (IMO). We should probably change it to the “big four” or “four horsemen” PP, VC, ALS, Breguet
When I watched this video 4 years ago I was for the datograph, yet this year i took delivery of the 5170P. How time changes our tastes and preferences.
The 5170 is the most conservative and financially wise purchase, the Datograph is certainly the most beautiful and has a history with the most gravitas, but the most technically (and aesthetically) interesting one would have to be the Harmony. The coaxial steel chrono wheel is creative and the hands are absolutely mesmerizing, as is whatever technique they used to apply the indices. They look almost hand painted.
Great review I wouldn't expect anything less from hodinkee , the L&S is such a beautiful timepiece and I love mass as I am prone to 41 to 44mm as bigger guy.
@@dannycortes4159 You're right. Less than one tenth of one percent of watches are classified as investment potential...I'd rather invest my money in less speculative asset classes, but to each their own.
And I have the Sea-gull 1963 column wheel chronograph. The 37mm with Sapphire chrystal on a Rios Russian brown leather strap. I bought it from Poljot 24 in Germany. I am poor and bought it as a timer watch for use in my photographic darkroom. Ideal because it has no lume to fog film. I love it and use it as my daily wearer. Sorry to lower the tone of this rarified video. I go.
I take the VC no questions asked also it is somehow a better value for money regedless of price range. They are the grandmasters of honorology so that makes the others only pupils. LS is like Porsche a german masterpiece that makes an excellent daily however falls short to be a sunday special that what VC would be for me.
Emil Jay I couldn't answer your question but if you ask ctj from the gentleman of leisure channel he's more clued up on watch history . Also if your on facebook check out the modern day watch enthusiasts group , you'll find a hive of knowledge there. Cheers
ryvr madduck I don't think they need to . Unless the movement is extremely well decorated or intricate it just comes across as a bit gimmicky which rolex doesn't need to do .
I think Jaeger-LeCoultre Duometre with dark dial would kick bootie of all of these three contenders in terms of pure beauty, aesthetics, and the masterpiece of a movement. It also looks incredible in action.
I think the only chronograph I am still interested in is the Seiko Spring Drive 55th Anniversary edition with the blue dial. Spring Drive makes for continuously smooth movement be forgoing escapement wheel altogether and using quartz regulator instead. They have two in NYC shop, one on display, and my face splat against the glass ogling. The only comfortable reason for me not to get is that it's a tad too large at 43.5mm. if it was like 41mm or less, I'd be jizzing my pants.
Andrew Piatek Ive seen a GS (hi beat model) in real and i was impressed with such a great polishing and details that i havent seen before (in that price range) plus that hi beat movement is also breath taking. Now i could only imagine how it looks in real a buttery smooth spring drive chrono hand. From what i see from that specific spring drive model, the main problems are chrono buttons, in my opinion they looks so big and uncomfortable. Its a big money, so i guess you made rite decision.
These are beautiful and admirable watches but, per many of the comments here, way beyond my price range. The closest I'm gonna get to these is a little Junghans chronograph that I'm in the process of restoring myself!!!
I have ben a watch lover over 60 years.Yes I recaal the days, one could buy a Patek Calatrava second hand for then 2500,-- euro, 18kt gold. Lange will never become a Patek, it's like Mercedes, will never become a Rolls Royce. Besides, the Patek chronograph is elegance, less is more!
The fonts for the numbers spoil it for the VC and PP in my opinion. Kudos to Lange's datograph on using batons. But what do I know......way above my league. haha
+Dursun Kara didn't answer my question, as you didn't address the LeMania movement that Patek, and Vacheron used forever......and why the in house movements are better. I know gold is more expensive then silver, but silver is better then gold for some applications
Jack is a baller. Most eloquent and well spoken editor at Hodinkee
Gosh that Patek is just smooooooooothe...just perfect in every aspect.
Was just watching this as I'm buying the exact same 5170G tomorrow xD
The Lange back is stunning.
Mike Howard
They always are-most gorgeous movements of any maker imo.
I'd go with the Lange. Lets be honest here, if you are spending $80k on a watch, you don't mind feeling it on your wrist vs. not even noticing it.
I'd say this is the NEW TRINITY of watches.
Lange has left AP into dust. AP is just Royal Oak nowadays, a one trick pony.
SpaghettiKillah it is
How dare you forget the legendary Code 11.59
Seriously. AP sucks.
That Lange movement is beyond gorgeous, fucking unbelievable.
Ben is a master of diplomacy and portrayed all 3 watches in a good light whilst seemingly seen to be sitting on the garden fence on all 3. But deep down he loves the Lange the most; as watch lovers we get it😆 Even today Patek cannot produce a chronograph movement which is up to ALS standards.
Doesn't it make more sense to compare the 1815 Chronograph with the other two (instead of the Datograph)? That would address the thickness and price concerns that you guys raised...
This is what I thought too.
Thank you gents, I found this immensely helpful when deciding on the 5170G (same dial). Just picked up mine couple days back from a reputed AD, new of course. There's a definitive click that you feel when activating the Chronograph function, and reset is just buttery smooth. This is one of those pieces that has to be worn to be appreciated really. Every angle, every play of light gives it so much substance that is lost, especially in static media. Kind Regards, Mike.
All the way Lange. Especially the new 1815 Chronograph with black dial.
3 very beautiful watches. I like them all but I like the A. Lange & Söhne the most, because of the date function. Thank you Hodinkee for an awesome video :D
Haha, "Relatively expensive"..
That's how you know that someone has completely lost touch with reality
Nathan Carter 😂😂😂😂
I think lange is like 50 times better
relatively expensive compared to a timex
Lang > Patek > VC IMO.
Haha, that's funny. I've always seen it as VC>PP>Lange
flyingphoenix113 You're entitled to your opinion but why would you think VC is superior than Patek?
gulfmen86 More diversity of design in their model range (the artistic VC pieces are some of the most beautiful in all of horology along with Ulysse Nardin). In terms of engineering prowess, they currently set the bar in terms of the watch with the most complications, the Reference 57260. The finishing on most VC movements is marginally superior to that of Patek (though not quite to Lange standards). And, historically speaking, I think it's going to be extremely difficult for Patek to surpass VC. From Napoleon, the man who conquered most of the western world, to Harry Truman, the only man to order that an atomic weapon be used on another country, the VC owners list is just vastly superior (if you care about that sort of thing in the first place).
flyingphoenix113 I dont take fashion advice from Napoleon... you're free to do so though. End of the day, numbers dont lie. Pateks numbers are better than VC.
gulfmen86 Which numbers? Pateks usually have better resale value (especially the Nautilus vs. the Overseas and the Calatrava vs. the Patrimony). But, as I said alluded to before, in terms of who can successfully produce the most complications, that has been won by Vacheron (for now). I'm not sure which company produces more timepieces per year (assuming that to also be Patek), but, to a small degree, exclusivity is something I would value in a purchase like that.
Also, I wouldn't hate on Napoleon too much. His fashion was nowhere near as good as the various Hapsburg families, but it was not that bad. If such things mattered to a person they would probably own a Vacheron because it was worn by POWERFUL people, individuals who altered the very course of human history. Whether or not they are FASHIONABLE people would probably be rather irrelevant.
Love these 3 on 3, please keep it up.
For my money I would go for the 39mm Dato in Platinum, or the 5170, I'll wait to see where the Harmony goes
Amazing review. Please keep it coming!!
Lange is the one to have and to cherish imo.
The other two are special, unquestionably but Lange is *the* reason that Patek has an in house chronograph movement and better finishing now. I am a big guy though with large wrists (19.75-19.8cm) so the larger case size isn't a big deal. Thickness is maybe more so but I 13ish mm is still cuffable for me and if I am being honest, I am a software engineer, the need for a dress shirt is confined to funerals and weddings.
I would choose the Lange even if it was in gold
The Patek is perfect, elegant, wearable, collectible, will rise in value....just wonderful.
And I fantasize about being able to get a Rolex 16610. Guess it's all relative.
Lange even without free sprung
It's really a no-contest, if it's good enough for Mr Dufour, then the choice is crystal clear.
Watch per watch the Dato wins to me. When talking value retention, obviousy the Patek it's a better purchase. Imho if the 5170 had at least one blue hand it'd look even more strinking. Maybe the chrono second hand. Also I remember when the Dato was 34K.
really love the mood that is projected from all your videos. thanks for posting them.
Those were some heavy hitters.......nice! I loved the look of the Lange movement!
I cringed each time he called the Datograph a “dato."
Jack’s voice is buttery smooth.
Love the bank vault door metaphor
Out of those 3, I'll take the Lange, of you have the money for a watch like that, chances are you have quite few more watches at home so the thickness of the Lange shouldn't be that much of a concern because you can have a Piaget to go with cuffs. Just My humble opinion.
Considering Pateks are all over the place now, a VC that is sold much less, plus with a movement that may be sort of prototypic, the VC may very well retain or increase value better than the PP.
The datograph is the one you want as an enthusiast. On the wrist, you’ll lean more towards the 5170. When you consider the price and how it will hold its value … the 5170 murders.
2 vids in a Row!!! This make me happy!!!!!
My choice would be a Lange will be hopefully added one of these to my collection
I feel like the guard has changed. These represent the holy trinity (IMO). We should probably change it to the “big four” or “four horsemen” PP, VC, ALS, Breguet
That A. Lange is fucking gorgeous
All the comment majority here prefer Lange, it was the Ultimate watch!
I'm surprised ecodrive didn't make the list.😂
When I watched this video 4 years ago I was for the datograph, yet this year i took delivery of the 5170P. How time changes our tastes and preferences.
I am completely the opposite 😃
There is something quietly elegant about most Vacheron designs and they are so comfortable on the wrist. I’m thinking of the Patrimony Tradit..
I like three on three so much!
Dah-toh-graph us the clear winner!
The 5170 is the most conservative and financially wise purchase, the Datograph is certainly the most beautiful and has a history with the most gravitas, but the most technically (and aesthetically) interesting one would have to be the Harmony. The coaxial steel chrono wheel is creative and the hands are absolutely mesmerizing, as is whatever technique they used to apply the indices. They look almost hand painted.
I prefer the A Lange and Sohne watch.
Great review I wouldn't expect anything less from hodinkee , the L&S is such a beautiful timepiece and I love mass as I am prone to 41 to 44mm as bigger guy.
@hodinkee need to do more such videos and bring back 3 on 3
the A lange retail price is more expensive than a BMW X5
The Lange is objectively the best watch. No question.
if you're buying a watch and worrying about value retention, then you probably are already in over your head. buy real estate or ETFs instead.
Some watches are investments, if you don't know
@@dannycortes4159 You're right. Less than one tenth of one percent of watches are classified as investment potential...I'd rather invest my money in less speculative asset classes, but to each their own.
I own a 5170j and wouldn’t trade it for either. I can buy a mint platinum datograph in the 40’s
And I have the Sea-gull 1963 column wheel chronograph.
The 37mm with Sapphire chrystal on a Rios Russian brown leather strap. I bought it from Poljot 24 in Germany.
I am poor and bought it as a timer watch for use in my photographic darkroom. Ideal because it has no lume to fog film.
I love it and use it as my daily wearer. Sorry to lower the tone of this rarified video. I go.
A. Lange & Soehne puts everyone else to shame. That's the difference between "watchmaking" and "making watches".
I take the VC no questions asked also it is somehow a better value for money regedless of price range. They are the grandmasters of honorology so that makes the others only pupils. LS is like Porsche a german masterpiece that makes an excellent daily however falls short to be a sunday special that what VC would be for me.
That Patek is so beautiful. Too bad it costs as much as a condo.
More of this please.
So beautiful, I could wear Amy of them up side down just to look at the movement
+Simon Crane For days
+Simon Crane When do you think Rolex will go clear caseback?
Emil Jay I couldn't answer your question but if you ask ctj from the gentleman of leisure channel he's more clued up on watch history . Also if your on facebook check out the modern day watch enthusiasts group , you'll find a hive of knowledge there. Cheers
+Simon Crane poppin' up on ya :-D
ryvr madduck I don't think they need to . Unless the movement is extremely well decorated or intricate it just comes across as a bit gimmicky which rolex doesn't need to do .
The Lange is the most beautiful of the three.
I think Jaeger-LeCoultre Duometre with dark dial would kick bootie of all of these three contenders in terms of pure beauty, aesthetics, and the masterpiece of a movement. It also looks incredible in action.
+Andrew Piatek I think the same, between these 3 and duometre, id choose JLC without thinking.
I think the only chronograph I am still interested in is the Seiko Spring Drive 55th Anniversary edition with the blue dial. Spring Drive makes for continuously smooth movement be forgoing escapement wheel altogether and using quartz regulator instead. They have two in NYC shop, one on display, and my face splat against the glass ogling. The only comfortable reason for me not to get is that it's a tad too large at 43.5mm. if it was like 41mm or less, I'd be jizzing my pants.
Andrew Piatek
Ive seen a GS (hi beat model) in real and i was impressed with such a great polishing and details that i havent seen before (in that price range) plus that hi beat movement is also breath taking. Now i could only imagine how it looks in real a buttery smooth spring drive chrono hand. From what i see from that specific spring drive model, the main problems are chrono buttons, in my opinion they looks so big and uncomfortable. Its a big money, so i guess you made rite decision.
I like big pushers, no problem. And I love what's on the dial.
I'll take any of those. Amazing pieces.
Moissanite watch bezels instead of sapphire will be the next leap in watch-making
These are beautiful and admirable watches but, per many of the comments here, way beyond my price range. The closest I'm gonna get to these is a little Junghans chronograph that I'm in the process of restoring myself!!!
The 5170's pressers aren't nearly as buttery smooth as the datograph's...
Vacheron is a bargain
These are the best money can buy take your pick, amazing!
I'll stick with the trusty Valjoux 7750 ;)
Congrats on an excellent video. Out of interest, where would you see the JLC Duometre Chronographe sitting in comparison to these three?
so if i sell my 300 k house i can buy all these three watches? okay
This part, I love VC
I have ben a watch lover over 60 years.Yes I recaal the days, one could buy a Patek Calatrava second hand for then 2500,-- euro, 18kt gold. Lange will never become a Patek, it's like Mercedes, will never become a Rolls Royce. Besides, the Patek chronograph is elegance, less is more!
Lange has taken that place from AP.
There is no AP without royal oak.
AP=royal oak
I love the Langhe and sohne but i could never wear anything that large.
Datograph All D Way. 😎
I don't know maybe I missed something but I'm still not sure which one he picked at the end??
What a heavy hitting episode
Lange wins
It is kind of sad to see AP being silently replaced by A Lange and Sohne. AP really failed to keep up.
Vacheron in another level
I'd be elated with owning any of the three..
Beautiful!
The fonts for the numbers spoil it for the VC and PP in my opinion. Kudos to Lange's datograph on using batons. But what do I know......way above my league. haha
Lange is easily first with the Patek a very distant 2nd as it's only attribute is resale value. The hideous Vacheron is not even in the race.
I adore that PP 😍
if someone could leave one of these on my doorstep I'd be very happy..thanks
contraception @ 5:58?
How is someone so obessed with watches, but has never been seen in clothes that actually fit his body.
I’m a sucker for a good cushion case
I'd buy the alange
This video was a joke. Lange was obv winner. Followed by VC and ending with PP.
Increible watches but you have to go with Patek just for the resale value...
Note to self, maybe for the audience this vid was made for these watches are just a drop in the bucket/relatively expensive. Just saying
One word, Lange...
I've noticed something. There is always a Vacheron Constantin. Hmmm
VC Win~
liked before watching
are these "in-house" movements really better then the Lemania movements, if so, in what ways.....
+citygreek1 is gold really better than silver? Is a real diamond better than a synthetic one? If so in what ways...
+Dursun Kara didn't answer my question, as you didn't address the LeMania movement that Patek, and Vacheron used forever......and why the in house movements are better. I know gold is more expensive then silver, but silver is better then gold for some applications
make more of these.
Which watch did Ben Hodinkee choose?
Not sure the 5170 will ever pass the 5070s in price. I think they are just making many more of them these days.
Lange is light years ahead of PP and Vacheron
Id choose JLC duometre over any watch from the video