India vs Bharat Debate :9 mins Conversation I wish I had w/ those who Do Not Understand Imperialism
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Like any other field of study, the interpretation and understanding of history can be influenced by various biases. This is also true for Indian history. Several types of bias can come into play, including:
1. **Nationalistic Bias**: Historians, like anyone else, can be influenced by nationalistic sentiments, leading to a history that might overemphasize the achievements and downplay the shortcomings of one's own country. In the Indian context, some historians might present a glorified version of India's past, overlooking complexities and contradictions.
2. **Colonial Bias**: The colonial period has left an imprint on Indian historiography. Early British historians often portrayed Indian civilization as stagnant, backward, or despotic, partly to legitimize British rule. These interpretations have been challenged, but their influence persists in some quarters.
3. **Religious and Communal Bias**: This can lead to the distortion of historical events to suit the narratives of particular religious or communal groups. For example, the portrayal of medieval India as a period of unending conflict between Hindus and Muslims oversimplifies a complex historical reality.
4. **Socio-cultural Bias**: Historians might overlook the experiences and contributions of marginalized groups, such as women, lower castes, or tribal communities. For instance, traditional historical narratives often focus on kings and elites, while neglecting the experiences of ordinary people.
5. **Political Bias**: The interpretation of history can be influenced by contemporary political ideologies. For example, the partition of India in 1947 is understood and narrated differently by right-wing, left-wing, and centrist historians.
6. **Methodological Bias**: This refers to the preference for certain types of sources over others, such as relying heavily on textual sources while negle
Bias in historical writing is not necessarily intentional. Historians are products of their times and societies, and their perspectives can be shaped unconsciously by the prevailing views and prejudices of those contexts. The task of a good historian is to be aware of these potential biases and to strive for as balanced and objective an interpretation as possible. Moreover, historical interpretations are always open to revision and reinterpretation based on new evidence or perspectives.
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yes you should continue, not all viewers watching your videos UPSC aspirants but some are getting clarity abt the past of The Mighty "Bharat" which is in my opinion a national duty of those who have better and clear understanding about our Mighty Bharat.
KUDOS to you and team.
Miss Palkhi Sharma is also doing a great job in Vantage which is courageous as an indian media which was previously boot lickers of the soo called civilizational revolutionist white people.
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Fun facts:- During World War 2 shortage of metal steel they removed the track and made weapons. After Independence, most of the tracks then made by Bharat Railway at that time..
Yes, such kind of informative videos should be uploaded to generate the truth to brainwashed Indian people who are really biased for bloody British thoughts and works......🙏
I'm not defending Rudyard Kipling here, but the poem that the celebrity had was 'IF', which is an inspirational poem that keeps you going despite all odds. Using it as a yardstick to sabotage a random celebrity is poor research and biased opinion that disregards artistic works and their contribution. Everyone in England was racist , hell, almost all of Europe was racist that doesn't mean all the contributions they did can be diluted by their racism.
Rudyard Kipling lived in India and even wrote several works about India which do not have a racist angle eg The jungle book, please refine your judgements going forward. I do love the work you are doing. Keep it up! 🎉
The only reason Britishers left their railway system in India was that they couldn't carry it via ships back to Britain 😅
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"IF" poem of Rudyard Kipling is in 11th standard English book of kerala state syllabus. I am just shocked to see that still we are teaching his works from govt books where lakhs of students read and study it .
I think govt need to edit the syllabus.
In which year you completed your 11th ??
I would also like to add the fact that after the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, when General Dyer was fired from his position (which itself was a charade), Rudyard Kipling supported Dyer’s atrocities by donating huge amount of money in name of Dyer’s Pension.
Jallianwala Bagh was just a small episode in the whole film.
Do you know that Britain had used airforce laden with machineguns against people in Punjab around and after WW1? The reason why this was done was to force Punjabis to fight in WW1. This is the reason for HSRA's rise in Punjab after 1920s.
Do you know how many people Britain killed before and after 1857, in the Gangetic valley states? The number is almost 50 - 100 crores.
Yup started by the a UK newspaper and raised 26000 pounds
"If " poem by Rudyard Kipling was mine favourite too. But I didn't knew about the background of the poet
Same here bro
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Naman, the poem is good regardless of his misconceptions. Shouldn't we admire the poem and use it instead of disregarding it just because of the guy's views. As long as we are cherishing the poem and nothing else, I don't think we are doing anything wrong. Does anyone agree with me?
Spot on correct. By this token, we may be asked to boycott everything that is British.
You are telling the dark side of Rudyard Kipling, and I agree with that.
But his literary work should be appreciated. Although I haven't read that poem.
Our thinking is shaped by the contemporary society and the same thing is with RK.
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This 9 minutes of narration , made me to visualise the history of our history before 1947 , felt like travelled back in time.
Oh god. Yes yes . I am a literature student I so so knew this by reading his books . He is hypocrite. So called celebrated writers like Rudyard Kipling are not so innocent as our "colonized mind" are used to interpret and praise ! Many such writers on list trust me. Damn you brought it on. WE NEED TO KNOW THIS.
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If a thief says that committing theft is wrong, one cannot side line his statement just because it is said by a thief. It is one of the logical fallacies. What Rudyard Kipling believed or thought or spoke, his poem 'If' remains an inspiration.
Poetry is a universal expression. There are many SSB centres of the Army, Air Force and Navy that have quotes from many philosophers in the world and many times I have seen this poem written on the walls of Army establishments. There was this philosopher named Horatious whose quote was written there also and he believed extensively in Astrology. So, we can't blame their poetry for their beliefs.
Osama Bin Laden, Dawood Ibrahim - they all had poetic thoughts, and wrote poety - not just about Islam, but how their lands. We don't display them in schools. Because we know about their deeds. We don't hang hiters paintings anywhere because we know about his work.
people don't know about deeds of Rudyard Kipling and hence in their ignorance they display his work. if more people get to know about him - all of this will stop.
@@barneystinson8789 Well, then there will be hardly any poetry and expression left in this world if you keep digging up skeletons from the closets of the authors.
@@barneystinson8789 Take Dostoevesky for example.
@@rudreshsingh307 i am absolutely positively sure that you never had a single original thought of your own. You think you know something, but you don’t.
@@VishalBhargav299792458 Well, you will be a very good critic someday. I can give you that.
Long way to de-colonization , its deeply rooted in the system, be it ncert literature books or the cabins of national defence academy (NDA) , one finds if by kipling written in full glory. Wish the same glory to regional poets and writers of india who had much more essence in their craft.
I have stopped reading any poem of kipling when I read that he had given highest money 25 k pounds to dayer who killed people in jalianwala bagh, he is a poet is enthusiastically taught in Indian text books but I don't know why. He should be banned from indian text books
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7:00 sir do u expect any foreign rule to do welfare of colonized.
Even your native princely rulers exploited downtrodden and appeased the dominant section of the society.
U may abuse the foreigners their selfish exploitation, but u can't deny that modernization of today's India is unfortunately imitation of foreigners who ruled us.
U urself is wearing the western clothes. If u r so concerned abt the abuse that Britishers did to us u should respect ur culture which u take pride in and wear doti kutra.
Best rebuttal to Rudyard Kipling camd from Mark Twain.
Naman I have listened to quite a few of your videos, you are a good speaker and present your pov very appropriately. On this very topic, there is one thing quite a few number of people have told me since I was a child and that is dont listen to who is saying rather what he/she is saying. Also, I am sure all those celebrities you are referring two dont know anything about Rudyard Kipling other than the poem. The moment people discover hia real identity they will start hating on him.
“If” is official poem in National Defence Academy, India. It is great poem and just because of his opinions about “white man burden” we can’t undermine how good that poem is. I have it to in my house and I am proud of it.
True. But people assume a great poet is also a great person. That's the issue. Another issue is that most Indians don't know poems from their own native language but will parrot English poems with pride.
@@abhisheksainani how do ppl assume good poet is good person 🤔 that's ridiculous!! And moreover goodness is relative term. Most Indians know English poems cause there are many reasons for it , schools teach them , english literature is easily available and more mainstream and widespread. Parents want their child to know English than other languages. It's not a issue, it's their preference.I know many indians who know poems in native language.
Finally seeing someone talking about glorification of people like Rudyard Kipling due to his work!! I also read somewhere that he raised some sort of retirement fund or some such in the name of general dyer who massacred thousands at Jallianwala bagh.
Any one reading the history books of" RC Majumdar".
Many say that nehru in his period changed the history textbooks and he also rejected the history made by rc Majumdar. So for upsc is it relevant to read the distorted history which we are getting it in market .
Naman ,please can you respond
While I am all for following our great Indian poets (as there are plenty) and taking inspiration from them, celebrating them before the likes of Rudyard Kipling....but the perennial question of should we or should we not separate the art from the artist remains.
They choose to look at us with a bad eye. Ab hum bhi wahi karenge ?... What they did and thought could never be justified but the poem is actually good. It would be an injustice to criticize the creation just because the creater wasn't good. There is good in bad and bad in every good. Lets not look at things black and white.
Every young gen -z needs to know this truth.
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Who said we haven't studied this in history??? Nd if not then how uhh knows??
As history optional student I know more than this..
He was talking about primary and secondary education because students who don't choose humanities stream are unaware of all theses things
It doesn't mean all his poems are trash,, PLUS Untouchables true to their salt knows how much relief British Raj provided to them
It's so disheartening that the history books conveniently ignore such great contributions from REAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS like Dadabhai Naoroji, S.C. Dutt and Gokhale.
We as a nation should question our education system why these people and their contribution are kept hidden from the youth
Why do our history books only talk about a handful of people like Gandhi and Nehru (who were politicians really, not freedom fighters) and ignore an entire generation of revolutionaries
I am not preparing for UPSC but I thank you for educating and inspiring the youth about real history
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Gokhale ji is fond of Gandhiji,
Gandhiji treated him as his mentor
Such painful past we have had 😢
Not just celebrities also the so called educated UPSC educators. I have seen "If by RK" on a wall of Dr Sidharth Arora.
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11 months since the upload but this video which is the most special of all those that I've seen on this channel has not got so many views compared to others
Why !
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वैसे एक बात बोलूं पता तो मुझे भी है इतिहास ,but आपकी english अच्छी एंड ur communication also excellent.
I do not care about how Rudyard Kipling was an extreme racist person back then and that he wrote that white man's burden bullshyt but that "if" by Rudyard Kipling is an amazing poem.
Take what's good, discard the rest. Stop viewing everything with an emotional lens. Simple.
going by that logic, a murderer might be a good person, why punish him for one mistake ?? lets ignore his murder and focus on his good part. Simple.
@@user-bj8dk3ud3q does it make any sense? You are comparing taking someone's life to a piece of literature?
God bless you.
@@stealtzsid2178 - well, to build on that argument - Rudyard Kipling donated to the Dyer Fund in support of General Dyers actions (the massacre at Jallianwala Bagh - killing innocent women and children celebrating the festival of Baisakhi).
I appreciate your thoughts. And I appreciate your high morals - but it is wrong to forget certain parts of history, and give a blind eye to it. Why? Because he wrote a poem that you find 'amazing'? I don't see the point of being a spokesman of Kipling.
What's wrong is wrong, and should be spoken out loud.
@@namanshrivastava great insights sir and no disrespect to you but what I want to say is that I can't and i do not want to care about what some random British poet did in support of Dyer.
We all know those generals were cruel and atrocious and i absolutely agree that supporting them is the last thing a sensible person can do. Many supported them and this Kipling was also one of them. Can agree on the fact that he was a big time racist and a cruel person.
And i ain't denying the fact that he was wrong. He was absolutely wrong. 100%.
But i donot think it's wrong to praise a piece of literature.
The messenger is not as important as the message.
Discarded that morally wicked messenger, and took the morally justified message.
And i do not think it translates to being a spokesperson of Kipling.
Thanks.
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0_0 me here thinking rudyard kipling was a great man by reading
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Naman sir.. the young of India today are truly blessed to have an articulate, knowledgeable person guiding them.. my only issue is how can you speak about Mr Gandhi.. he was completely complicit in destruction of Bharat and its culture.. people should read about Sir Chettur Sankaran Nair, and the freedom fighters mentioned in the song Ethara Janda from RRR.. we have been crap in terms of our history and freedom struggle.. pls I would request every Bharatiya to read about all our freedom fighters.. it is beyond understanding the sacrifices they have made..
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Small query, can we appropriate what kipling & naoroji said with respect to/ in context with the caste system ( which is unfortunate but still followed in the 21th century) like how certain castes ( some ppl) think and do the same that british did but to other castes?
I am not sure but i think ppl are forgetting that first we are born human and later comes caste, creed, color, country, religion, sex etc
Its just my perspective, pls dont take it personally, i may be wrg but i am open to others views and will think it through and have to check ur full video contents( as this not the complete video)
Sir your content is good. But I think we can avoid using unnecessary thumbnails. Such tactics nullify the entire purpose of creating an educated community.
Regards.
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5:09 it is high time we define the period from 1100 thru 1946 period of Islamic and British Slavery in Bharat!
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I respectfully disagree with your stance. You referenced Kipling's poem "The White Man's Burden" to label him as racist, which is a valid point. However, dismissing the entire person based on that alone overlooks the remarkable quality of his other literary contributions, like the poem "If."
Are you suggesting that if someone has negative traits, such as being racist (like Kipling) or communal (like the current BJP government), we should completely ignore their other works or policies? By that logic, we shouldn't support any government policy, even if it's beneficial, simply because the government uses communal politics.
Supporting a specific policy does not mean endorsing or celebrating the entire person/government. This perspective contradicts your own teaching against cherry-picking data, as you've done the same here.
Kindly let me know if I am going in the wrong direction.
All Okay, But how is that is in connection of India vs Bharat Debate ?????
In any way care to explain ????
Sir, Britishers are still alive in the hearts of some Indians and people support them despite being well aware of the brevity, what can you expect from them, nationality ? 💀
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Previously finished goods were supplied by British....but now many foreign based also many Indian based companies getting rich by using India's huge economy..... example by selling low quality products like refined and processed food threat to people health..... especially middle and lower class people where as upper class people who become rich by these markets.. having organic food....any solution for this....as enemies are now not outsiders...
Sir if I become IAS will you guide me in policy making I have dream to make north Chhattisgarh equally competitive as central Chhattisgarh
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Not just that, these British sympathisers promote this railway theory via webseries like "Aspirants". At that level.
One question why the all industrial inventions and industrialisation happen after they came to india . Not before that ??
British re-write history
I get better inspirations from "Dinkar" than "Kipling"
May be its the celebration of the art and not the artist ,he may have been racist but the poem that he had written were not all racist but one and you can't dismiss all his work on the basis of his one opinion or one poem ,moreover the couple who placed it beside their family photo were more fond of the poem than the artist .
Partition of india and pakistan is the most brutal thing british empire did
Who were ruling when indias share was 23%
Similarly "SOME" people in consider Winston Churchill as their father😒
I have one query with refrence to Rudyard Kipling sir ..is it okay to ignore all his good work just because of his 2 ,3 works which were not good (eg white mans buden theory,donation of 10 $ to dayer fundetc) ..please relpy sir
Just saying...dont judge the past in the eyes of present or future...100 yrs later Modi will be called the pakka racist!
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They built railways by Indian money at twice the cost with inferior quality majority of that was cargo only
Bal Gangadhar on casteism if you have courage
Sir the so called modern education system which was introduced by Britishers helped lower caste to raise their voice.
Should we deny it?
Please reply sir, I'm confused
Lower caste is a votebank for politicians. Still they are unheard!
If it really helped lower castes then why so called Lowe caste people are still poor ? The fact is british education system only increased caste division by not educating people in right way. It took us away from our roots. Caste system is a worst thing ever existed in Indian society but it was not originally the part of our culture, it came later and I know our so called lower caste people have suffered a lot due to this but now things are changing. If we reform our education system and make our nation economically prosperous by eradicating poverty then caste discrimination will completely get abated one day.
Sir, How many universities did India had before arrival of Britain?? None
During medieval time, Britain made Oxford and Cambridge. USA had Howard university.
But there was no such world class university in Indian subcontinent, when our Kings and Sehenshah was busy making TAJ MAHAL and Big Forts.
Why Britain had the industrial revolution but there was no such technological revolution in India or middle east, why so??
WHY INDIA FAILED TO DEVELOPED LIKE GERMANY OR JAPAN AFTER OUR INDEPENDENCE WHAT HAS STOPED US TO DO SO?? IS OUR CONDITION WORST THAN JAPAN OR GERMANY AFTER WW2??
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Please shed light why they weren't popular before 12th century
Results of Islamic rule
Being a capitalist, I don't reproach Gandhi for his socialist view, while in alignment with his other beliefs. There is no individual with whom we are in agreement with all his advocacies/beliefs.
There's a difference between Socialism and Racism. Here's another article about Kipling - where he found donating for the General Dyer's cause (when Dyer ordered to shoot kids and civilians celebrating Baisakhi during Jaliwanwaalah Bagh).
www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/punjab/rudyard-kipling-gave-10-for-dyer-fund-756595
A narrow perspective on history
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The Indian monarchy based on caste was overthrown by the British. That's the best part.
Had Gandhi's Varna system remained in place, overlordship would have been based on caste.
The Varna system is extremely effective and self-sustaining when, in order to prevent rebellion, a segment of the population is purposefully kept ignorant and unconfident. In contrast, the French revolution took place against the monarchy, but SC ST OBC could not do this.
Varna system would have never gone automatically if caste based Monarchy had continued.
Bengal had a SC king who was ultimately deposed by Muslims with the aid of Hindus from higher castes (Ref: History of Furfura Sharif of Hugli West Bengal). They (Hindu Ruling Class) perceived no danger from external Muslim rulers, in contrast to their fear of the SC, ST, and OBC defying the caste system and taking power.
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Bottom line is we indians didnt understand the wind of industrilisation and technology. We didnt change our way and got colonised. We put everything on Karma and my foot, we lost. We should forgive but never forget. World is family as long as there is hammer in your hand. Indian civilisational ethos are forces for common good of humanity but they have no value if india is weak. Western mind work in terms of material wealth and creates product out of everything..basis is exploitation and not sustainability. India should rise and provide balance of material wealth and spritual, philosphyical wealth as well. At the end we are human beings ... we want to live with comfort.
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