Nikon F 105mm f/1.4 Vs Nikon Z 135mm f/1.8 Bokeh Battle I Jason Halayko Photography
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- I have been an avid user of the Nikon F 105mm f/1.4 lens for several years and always love having the opportunity to use this lens for both professional and personal shoots. But after trying the Nikon Z 135mm f/1.8 lens I needed to see for myself which is really the better lens. Both are amazing! But not sure if I am ready to part with my 105mm just yet.
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We need a Nikon Z 105mm 1.2
I think that would be far too big. But a 105/1.4Z with the newer optical designs would be unreal.
Would be interesting to see if/how they could do that!
An update might be a nice thing to have in a few years for sure!
I think, soon it would be 105 1.8 (maybe in 2024)
@@alexanderpeters7921 I guess that's a possibility. Will have to see what 2024 brings.
Really great video and prompt review . Loved this video
Super thanks! Much appreciated.
Wonderful and useful comparison. I use the 105 f1.4for a few years, and love it. I also purchased the Sigma 135 f1.8 before the Plena was on the roadmap. I have been happy with the Sigma also for portrait work. This Plena though is quite appealing, and I might have to trade in a couple lenses to get one. Love the perfect bokeh and it would be significantly lighter.
First time viewer to your page. Just subscribed, and look forward to checking out your content.
Cheers.
Great!! Thanks for the amazing comment and the sub, much much appreciated!! I would also have to trade in a few things to pick up a Plena, hahaha. Grabbed a Zf this week though, haha
Thanks for a great comparison Jason. I need to compare my 105 f/2.5 from the 70's with my 105 f/2.8 Z to get some of the comparison skills you demonstrated. I need to do more shooting and less shopping.
Thanks! “More shooting and less shopping” I like that!
Interesting comparison. I like your approach. Good job ! 👍🏼
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Cheers! Thanks for the comment and the subscription. Much appreciated!
I really enjoyed your review. I have the 85 1.2 and the 105 1.4. I wish you had done the comparison at night as well. I watched your other night video which was also great but it didn't have the comparison. Thanks! I'm confused too!
Thanks for checking out the review and happy to hear you liked it. The 85/1.2 is amazing as well. Ya, I would have liked to have done this video more into the night as well, but the weather was getting worse and this was my only time I had left with the lens. There was supposed to be fireworks that night but they were actually canceled because the wind was so strong!
I own the 105mm F2 DC; and it's basically the best portrait lens ever made.. and I wish I can use it with full AF on the Z system. In fact; the 3 best portrait lenses I use; 105mm F2DC; 60mm F2.8 Micro; and the 180mm F2.8D are not reproduced in the Z lineup.. Neither is my most used lens; the 28mm F1.8G. Why I haven't switched; because the 4 most used lenses on my nikon F mount have zero equivalent.
Those all sounds like great lenses. Would be amazing if there was an adapter that worked with these lenses as well. Maybe soon 🙏🙏🙏
Great video thank you. I hsve been thinking about the 105 because I can use it with both My D850 and Z9. I love my my manual focus 105 f2.8 that I use when shooting film.
Thanks!! I have mine from my days with the Nikon D5 and still use it pretty much every gig I have. Manual focus at 105 must be a challenge, but for video I’m sure it looks amazing!
Great video. I so nearly ordered the 135 right away as i used to love my 135dc years ago until i tried the 105 1.4 that was incredible. I also own the 200 f2 and am gonna stick with these for a few more years
Nice! Love hearing how people are still enjoying the "older" gear. Nikon really made some nice stuff!
Exactly same here. I have the 105 and 200 paired with a D850 and Z7 and those will be likely clawed from my dead hands. Currently *I* am the bottleneck so see no need to upgrade.
I still adore and use the 135 DC2 as a walkabout lens on my Df.
Paired with the forgiving 16MP sensor in those cameras, the DC2 has an ethereal quality that I find totally different to the other two lenses. It is especially incredible during Hanami and Momiji seasons and for romantic evening shots down by Odaiba shoreline. I use the 135 in combination with the dreamy 58mm 1.4G for an awesome walk around combo.
105/200 for business.
58/135 for pleasure.
You saved me big money tonight; appreciating my 105 all over again.
Good to hear! Still an amazing lens for sure!
Thanks for your video - it is an awesome one. About the point regarding FTZ, many folks have an FTZ (hopefully II) when they switched from the F-mount. So typically that is not an add-on purchase. I understand the point that it can be inconvenient taking the FTZ on or off. However, now that I have a lot of Z lenses and only a couple of F-mount lenses (the Nikon 105mm f/1.4E and the Nikon 500mm f/5.6 PF VR), I have a dedicated FTZ II adapter always glued to each of them. Hence I can use both of these like native Z mount lenses.
@@user-mj4pt4vu3h sure, what you say does make sense and would make changing lenses faster and easier, but I don’t want to pay for another couple adapters for lenses I don’t use all that often, and if I was to just leave them on they wouldn’t fit into my compact travel bag so… If that works for you though that’s amazing!
Nice comparison, great model, music and moves! I think the 105mm is just as good, they are both very impressive though. I'll never be able to afford either, but the little 85mm f/1.8 will be mine one day, and that's a sweet bit of glass. I have a 1973 vintage 105mm Nikkor that still holds up pretty well to modern lenses. Thanks a lot man, love from England!
Thanks a ton!! They are both very, very nice glass. I have the 85mm f1.8 and love using it for sure. For the price it's an amazing lens. You won't be disappointed for sure. That 1973 105 sounds interesting as well!
Cheers!! And lots of 愛 right back at ya!
Matt Granger made the comparison and he decided to keep his 105mm. Watch his comparison. He mentioned how much harder it was to control his background with the 85mm compared to the 105 and especially the 135mm.
Thanks!! As a fellow Nikon shooter I'm subed to him but didn't notice that video yet. Thanks for the heads up! I feel the same in the end I think.
I guess the 105 is easier to get more creative angle since it is wider. 135 is longer, more restrictive when used in closed space
@@hendrikmintarno ya, you would be correct. If you have the space the 135 is an AMAZING lens though.
Both beautiful images, the 105 images look like they have a really pleasing softness (in a good way) kind of light ethereal feel, while the 135 images looked a bit more contrasts and "modern super sharp" look.
The 85 1.8 s in dx mode on Z9 would be an interesting comparison (thanks to the high resolution sensor).
Happy to hear you liked the images and thanks for taking the time for your thoughtful comment. That could be a good comparison for sure!
The 85 1.2 would be a better comparison, but they are both flat out amazing. Do not try either one unless you have room on your credit card (or are prepared to feel an unrequited sense of longing). I said I would sell the 85 when the 135 came out, but here I am holding on to both.
@@v3rlon both would be amazing to have!! Nice 😊
@@jasonhalaykophotographyIf you ever find yourself in central Texas, I always love talking shop with other photographers.
@@v3rlon thanks for the invite!! Hopefully the universe sends me over there some time soon.
In my perspective, difference key is: 105mm is for posed models and 135mm is more for corporate and social events.
Ok, that’s an interesting way of thinking about that.
my 1st impression out of the box, I have the 105/1.4 already and have been content with using it, but i figured i would try the 135 Plena and when i put it on i did not get the OMG WOW reaction, do not get me wrong, the 135 is Lit, but my question, was it worth the $2500 to have both the 105 and 135. I think i will be sending the 135 back
Exactly why I never picked up a 135 after testing it.
The bokeh of 135mm is insane. This lens is going to be legendary.
For sure! It is an amazing lens!! Maybe when I reach 10,000 subscribers I’ll treat myself to it, haha.
You guys have issues thinking only about bokeh 😅
@@dicekolev5360 but I love my bokeh 😱😅😉
Hi Jason!! Your videos are always top!! In my personal opinion the 105 1.4 has always been one of Nikon's most beautiful lenses and it also shows on the Z camera. The 135 is absolutely fantastic, but the price doesn't make it better than the 105. One question... Did you test it with the Z9? Thank you
Thanks for your nice comment! Pretty much my conclusion as well, haha. And yes, I was using my personal Z9 when doing the comparison.
Hey Jason, nice review! I wondered about this topic as soon as the Plena was announced, good to hear your musings. I used to love the 135 f2 back in my Canon days, especially as it would take a 1.4x converter and gave a primo 190 f2.8. Unfortunately the Plena does not allow this, if it did I would probably have one by now, but the 105 1.4 is excellent, so money saved! ;) Arigatou.
Dean!!!! That’s so funny you found one of my videos! Good to hear it was helpful for you as well. I still love my 105! Hope to see you soon.
Good comparison, I always regretted not buying the 105mm 1.4 it is a really good portrait focal length I use the 105 2.8 S macro for portraits sometimes with surprising results. I have sold all my F mount lenses besides my 70-200mm if I see a really good sale i will grab the 105mm.
Thanks a ton! I hope you are able to pick one up!
Grab the 105 used. You can’t lose.
Nice comparison. Did you notice any difference in AF speed?
Thank you. Not any overtly obvious difference. Both focused about the same speed as I recall.
I have both and, in my opinion, the 135mm Plena is a much better lens...not by much but one of the best I have ever used. 135mm a little sharper and all-round great lens...Peace
Cheers!! I would tend to agree with you 100% about the quality of the lens. My only "issue" is just the difference in distance needed when taking portraits. Japan is already quite cramped as it is so moving a little extra back can be a challenge at times.
Thanks for the comment!!
Thanks for the side by side, Jason. I picked up a used 105mm f1.4 about 4 years ago for $900 (without hood - which I have added since). I had been interested in the 135mm f1.8 prior to it's release - and wondering if it would replace my f-mount glass (a used 105 f1.4 along with 200mm f2). Of course the 200mm has the same issue of distance from subject as you mentioned with the 135. The 135mm clearly has a weight advantage and it would take selling my 105 and 200 to pay for the 135mm. I'm also not sure it's worth it - nor am I sure my heart is in it. Time will tell. I haven't seen more than a few of your videos, but was curious what you thought about the 85mm f1.2 (a focal length and aperture I do not own) in comparison to both of these lenses. Thanks again. Appreciate the effort.
Thanks for checking out the video and for the nice comment!
I have a video where I compare the 85mm 1.2 and 1.8 and since I already have been shooting with the 1.8 for a year so so and love it’s looks and small size, I don’t think I’ll be updating to the 1.2 at the moment. But if you have the budget and don’t mind the size the 1.8 is for sure the better lens.
This is the video: th-cam.com/video/aFYOmHBSgsg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k2Ra5S9FSLaxKIRS
@@jasonhalaykophotography Did you mean 1.2 is the better lens? or the 1.8? (because the size and cost of the 1.2 is much greater). BTW: Really enjoy your shots and video.
@@dance2jam if money way not an issue, the 1.2 is the higher quality lens. Saying that the 1.8 gets you 90% of the way there for less money and much less weight.
@@jasonhalaykophotography THanks. Will watch the 85 comparison video (and the local camera shop had a used copy on sale for 40 percent off...might just be taking advantage of that).
Did you notice the plena making extra noise when changing aperture (loudest at 1.8 and disappears around 4)?
Did side by side in a quiet room and plena is easily making twice the noise my Z 85 1.2 is. Concerned i got a bad copy, but don't want to return if this is normal. Purchased new from a reputable shop- package showed no sign of mishandling.
I honestly didn’t notice any extra noise when changing apetures. The copy I rented was quiet and smooth in that regard, at least as far as I noticed.
@@jasonhalaykophotography Much appreciation for the reply, called nikon who requested i send them a video of the noise.
@@uhoh7541 great! Always best to go to the source and see what they say. I hope you get it fixed right away. Sucks sooo hard when new gear is just not quite right.
Ordered a gaming controller for my iPad recently and it just didn’t want to work. Only 50bucks or so down the train but was still crushed, hahaha
Ok so I just checked the images from the Sigma 105mm f1.4 and compared it to the Nikon 105mm 1.4 and they both produce IDENTICAL images that are magical! Currently I own the Nikon Z85mm f1.2 and I was about to purchase the Nikon Z135mm f1.8 Plena but I’m CONVINCED that the images from the 105mm f1.8 (either Sigma or Nikon) are waaaaaay better than the Nikon 135mm f1.8 Plena. It’s actually ironic that your video has a comparison between the 105mm 1.4 and the 135mm 1.8 Plena !!! In YOUR video here there is a HUGE difference between the two lenses and ALTHOUGH the background blur is significant more pronounced on the 135mm Plena the images from the 105mm 1.4 are magical. It DOES produce images that have a background that is much less blurred than the Plena, but the way the background gradually fades is very dream like, and not the way the Plena obliterates the background. I would have no issue adding the adapter even if I had to climb up a cliff to do so, because the images from this 105mm f1.4 are worth every bit of effort. I’d just keep the adapter on the 105mm permanently or to prove how great this 105mm lens is I’ll find a welder at an auto body shop to permanently weld the two together 😂 There is a $700 or so price difference between the two and it gets reduced to $500 after you purchase the FTZ II adapter, so it’s not like I’m saving a ton of money. There is a physical size difference between the two lenses even with the adapter, but the main advantage are the images from the 105mm that in my opinion, bokeh aside, are dreamy, have a certain look to them. Your video has now, after watching several other videos on TH-cam of the 105, convinced me that even if a lens has a greater focal length and supposedly ‘better’ bokeh, aperture rings and such, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the better lens. Only real world images will tell you that. The Nikon 105mm f1.4 is the better lens. For the longest time after I initially purchased the Nikon Z85mm f1.2 something kept me holding off on the 135mm Plena because I wasn’t entirely convinced. Now I know that nothing will convince me to get the Plena, either now or down the road and it’s the 105 that I want. This is a very easy decision for me to make.
You just wrote the best comment to one of my videos I think I may have ever seen, haha.
I love my 105 and am still amazed at the images it produces even after using it so long! Good luck with you shooting and I am happy to hear my video helped you out =)
@@jasonhalaykophotography I just bought the 105 yesterday! The price was $300 cheaper because it was open box with a 30 day return policy and 1 year warranty. The lens appeared pristine, brand new as if it was just manufactured. I DO have a question I want to ask you because I have never used this lens before and you own it. Is it normal for the lens to make a sound when autofocusing? I can EASILY hear this sound as it’s trying to achieve autofocus each and every time. Will you be kind enough to see if this is also the case with your copy? I can always return it within the next 30 days and buy it brand new, even though the one I have is brand new albeit open box. Thanks so much
@@dakotaxu4792 ok, I’ll give it a check when I get a sec later tonight.
@@jasonhalaykophotography thanks so much and don’t forget to let me know
I'm perfectly happy with my older (scratched) sigma 135 f1.8 art and now have ordered a used manual focus zeiss milvus ZF2 85mm f1.4 for static subjects (ie plants and landscapes). Both'll have great control of aberrations. I may just trade up to the nikon 104mm f1.4 one day.
I tried a Zeiss Milvus 50 and 85 1.5, along with the Otus 55 1.4. Man, that 85 was quite weighty but, was nice handling. Went with the Otus 1.4/55, loved how smooth the focus is on that one.
My 85 Milvus is quite a "brick" but the definition and detail is good from f1.4, it's just that it has quite strong vignetting for night sky shooting as well as corner coma. The Otus would have cost 3 x as much even used. I find the sigma 50mm art has a good and even enough performance.
I have the Sigma 105 F1.4, which is a beast, but damn that 105mm filter size. Gonna save up for the Plena since it's better suited for video work than the Sigma.
Ya, it’s a fat lens for sure, haha. I hope you can get the Plena soon!
I could tell the difference. I like the 135mm better. Also, could the flange distance be why the F1.8 looked better?
The adaptor, which would create a greater flange distance on the 105mm isn’t supposed to change the image quality, and I have never really notice a difference when using it, but you never know.
Ive always preferred the 105mm range over the 85mm and 135mm.
I love my 85 and 105! Used the 85 all day at work today.
Nice video and great comparison. A suggestion could be to keep the 105 and get the 135. This could be the best of both worlds. Be safe.
Thanks! Happy to hear you liked the video. That is a very good suggestion, hahaha.
The focal lengths are too close to have both. One will end up sitting.
@@lour7753 depends on what your core type of shooting is I think. For portraits it does add a subtle difference some photographers would switch between quite a bit. I’m personally happy with my 105mm for now.
If you ask the math law, the ratio between 135 / 105 = 1,2857. That multiplied with 1,4 totalls to 1,7999 aka f1,8
So by the physics it should be the same but for me the 135 renders a little better bokeh.
Everything you said, I agree entirely. Great comparision !
Thanks for the math lesson, hahaha.
Seriously though, thanks for checking out the video and for the nice comment!
Yes, another way to make the comparison is by the front objective size - they are both 75mm.
So, both lenses will produce the same bokeh softness, relative to the size of background objects in the image. But because the 135 renders background objects slightly larger, the bokeh softening is more visible to the eye.
What is especially noteworthy about the 135 Plena, is that it maintains fully circular bokeh across nearly the entire FX field (and this is also why it has so little vignetting). If you don't like "cat eye" bokeh circles like the 105 produces, then the Plena will be especially attractive to you.
Then there are the details of the SA compensation "tuning" in the lens design, which is another important aspect of bokeh. I have plenty of data on this for the 105, but have not tested the 135 yet.
@@marianneoelund2940 great information. Thanks for sharing!
I just moved from my D850 to the Z8 with an FTZ2 adaptor and only the Z 24-200mm f/4 lens. I have a bunch of excellent and underused F mount lenses and need to figure out "what next". I'm an amateur but like to do good portraits shots and own the old F 85mm f/1.4 lens. Based on footage here on YT to me it doesn't make sense to buy the Z 85mm f/1.2 the difference is too small (and less sharpness is not only bad) and therefore I mused about the Z 135mm f/1.8 Plena but even before you talked about the distance (!) and communication aspect I was already in doubt but after your video I feel confirmed. The Plean would be nice to have but I hardly have the distance needed and adding the old F 105mm f/1.4 doesn't make a lot of sense because of the fumbling with the adaptor although one could get it cheap(er). Bottom line I stick to may old 85mm and will check out the 35mm f/1.2 if its coming and see later if I really need to upgrade my portrait shooting lenses.
Sounds like a good idea! Good luck with your shooting!!
Nice photos and videos with both lenses !
First thing -- many of us are well aware that the Bookeh of the 105 1.4 and the 135 1.8 are quite comparable --
we also know quite well that a 200mm 2.0 or a 300mm 2.8 do have more Bookeh than both of the aforementioned lenses !
I have to say some would not agree that being a Z mount lens is in general the better thing or an advantage !
There are still some F mount cameras around and one can clearly say that the 105mm 1.4 is much more versatile in this way as to be usable on both mounts ( or did anybody attempt to use a Z mount lens successfully on a F-mount camera yet ? ).
And as good as the 135mm 1.8 is for sure -- for some portrait shooters it might be even too sharp ( on the clinical side ) --
and there is a huge price difference when taking into account that you can find the 105mm 1.4 in great condition used for way less than half the price of the 135mm 1.8 new !
BTW -- I had the 105mm 1.4 -- sold it because I used it not enough -- but it was a great lens and I even think about getting it again 2nd hand ( for less than I sold it for years ago ! )
Thanks for checking out the video and for your nice comment. And I would agree with what you say here, as to why I'm sticking with my 105/1.4 for a while still.
Cheers!!
Good comparison
Thank you very much!!
Like the 105mm. I actually use it mostly for what it wasn’t really made for, sports at night. Lately, been shooting mostly sports and not much portraits.
I used mine shooting skateboarding this last week in Tokyo. Great fun and helpful when shooting action sports indoors.
@@jasonhalaykophotography agree. Miss shooting portraits and seeing that creamy bokeh with the 105, and want to get back into it more. Hopefully next year will have more opportunities. Thanks for sharing.
You guys could always get the Sigma 105mm f/1.4 DG ART HSM Lens for Nikon F
That could be a good option as well.
Your review has convinced me to buy an Akira shirt.
Nah but seriously Im starting to consider buying a 105
Sick!! Akira shirts are the best!! The 105 is ok as well I guess, hahaha
Pumping a 200mm f2 revision to Z would be awesome if they went crazy to 200 f1.8.
that would be a crazy lens!
I'm not sure if the demand for that would justify the investment needed for nikon in making it sharp and contrasty enough at f2. It would also be pushing 3 kilos (several pounds).
@@alexmirza5210 agreed.
What a pretty model
She is a super cool B-Girl as well!
@@jasonhalaykophotography Seems, I am getting old. What is a B-Girl?
@@michaelkaercher that would be a female breakdancer. A male breakdancer is called a B-Boy and a female breakdancer is called a B-Girl. Her Instagram is in the description, that should help understand as well.
@@jasonhalaykophotography Thanks, I subscribed. Nice channel.
@@michaelkaercher thank you kindly!
I found that 135mm f/1.8 turns me into a passport ID picture cameraman. I found myself too close to the model...lol
Too close? I always felt too far away when using it.
I have sigma art 135 1.8 + ftz and I am not seeing that much better image from Plena for the price. I will stick to Sigma 135 and buy 85 1.2S. Maybe I will sell my 135 after that, 135mm as you mentioned is a bit too long sometimes to talk with models and its easy to lose connection, that why my 50 1.2s is almost always on my z8. So in this matter 85 will be better. Thanks for video.
Sounds like the Sigma is a nice lens!
Thanks for the comment. Good luck with your shooting!
prefer the 105 1.4 skin tone, a bit warmer and also looks more natural and organic to me. the 135 seems sharper and more modern look.
I would tend to agree. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a nice comment!
even if you buy an adapter for every f-mount lens, it is much cheaper then the z-mount lenses
True, not that I want to do that, but technically true.
Next generation cameras will probably integrate some AI refocus software (like the fake bokeh rendering in smart phones) the fact that any mirrorless (even m43) produces already sufficient out of touch’s separation will allow the software to produce more accurate fake bokeh.
Ya, but that’s a slippery slope to start going down. One that I myself will probably stay away from. I personally think editing your images and using Ai to change things like the background or bokeh are two different things.
Le 105, pour moi, a un meilleur rendu... c est subjectif... une version z sera certainement proposee un jour...
Honnêtement, je pense que ça a l'air mieux aussi. C'est pourquoi je n'ai toujours pas mis à niveau mon objectif.
Merci pour le commentaire!
I purchased the 135mm Plena and then promptly returned it after comparing it to both my sigma Art 105mm and 135mm. Really not worth the asking price. Excellent video, thanks
That's very interesting! I hope you get some great images with the Sigma lenses.
Very decisive! I think the Plena is for people who value zero vignettes and perfect bokeh. Most of us concentrate on the model or subject and quite like a little vignetting. The Sigma 105 does look like you’d need a tripod after 10 mins of use...
You missed the point that using the 105 on a Z mount you need the adapter - so they end up being the same length. Good comparison otherwise.
You are correct. It does make the lens a little longer when using it.
Longer, and heavier
@@randygerber1565 yes, longer and slightly heavier, but not so noticeably so in my opinion.
It annt a battle without the 85mm 1.2
For sure, but wanted to keep the video rather simple for my sake. I do have a video comparing the 85mm 1.2 and the 85mm 1.8 on my channel if you are interested.
That Would've been a great video, if it had been uploaded in 4k, so we can see more detail. It's 2023 guys, you obviously have the equipment. Next time 4k.
My computer basically turns to a snail when editing 4k video from my Z9, haha. So ya...
105 works better on this model due to lesser compression.
The amount of compression and how it affects the model is more a personal preference thing in my opinion. But ya, I can see a difference for sure. Cheers!