I think it can be approached as an economics issue. If the books are not particularly good or can't find an audience in schools, then the school libraries won't keep them. But if children are already seeking out to read them, then they obviously possess some meaningful interest to that demographic, and the notion of banning them to prevent those ideas from reaching young minds seems an exercise in futility. Ironically, the same political forces arguing for this limitation on the dissemination of thoughts and ideas are the same forces that frequently decry what they perceive as violations of free speech and free expression, AND that ostensibly favour a free and unregulated economic system driven by the fundamental forces of supply and demand.
I think nothing makes teens willing to push the boundaries of unreasonable authority then being told they can't learn about something. The tyranny of the state shows its gross hand when it reduces people into subjugate demographics, a "we know what's good for you" enforced by the logiced conclusion of police violence. After all what happens when you disobey the state? It's Terror operatives come to your home.
What do I think? It's about power. It's not as bad as NK but that direction is where this is headed, keeping people from being exposed to concepts, controlling their minds by giving them their opinions instead of letting them make their own educated opinions. And I think it's political, a line-drawing taunt by conservative authoritarians. I think a lot more about it, but it gets ranty and conspiracy theoryey from here. ;)
I am lucky as a teacher in NYS. We are supported by our district. I am doing five new books with my middle-level readers, including some of those appearing on those lists. This is also true k-12. There’s a little pushback, but the vast majority is supportive.
Banned book lists are must reads (I've never seen the list so long). Controversial songs have been songs I've gone out of my way to listen to. I guess narrow minds fear breadth and depth. We'll always be struggling against them.
A lot of the books on the most challenged book lists are YA best sellers. We can't claim it's a causational relationship and not correlative, but...makes ya wonder.
There's a difference between banning and "not available on the school library" Usually it has the opposite effect, as rhe book looks more interesting, and it's a google search away
One of the positive things of living in the Information Age is that if someone wants a banned book they can usually find it. Before, if a book was forbidden to local libraries and bookstores refused to carry it (or were intimidated into not carrying it), there was somewhere between jack and shit that could be done to get it by most folks. What are you going to do, take time away from the rest of your life to travel two states over for novel? That's an inconvenient expense even after the mass adoption of the automobile, and impossible for most teens; and a hundred years ago no one was going to do that for a single copy of a recently written book. (Though I wager there were some "black market" shops that carried banned books all the same.)
Well there’s been public libraries that are also on fire for having banned books as well. They’re trying to make it unavailable for those who are poor and can’t afford simple luxuries like buying new books.
I work at a library and we just had information go out on how to inform patrons that the goal of the library is to offer any and all information possible.
I don't think Nicole Cardoza summarized the conservative viewpoint in good faith here, she didn't acknowledge the possibility that there might be genuinely inappropriate depictions of sex or violence within any of these texts and I don't think them having a marginalized author should give them carte blanche to write whatever they want and have it taught in schools. I agree with the idea that students should be faced with hard ideas like the history of racism and prejudice within this country but that doesn't mean I think every school should show graphic footage of Rodney King being beaten to death to kids. I think the banning of any books from libraries is a step too far from any political viewpoint, conservative or progressive. Classes and their curriculum should be led by the teachers and their expertise but to ban lgbtq+ literature or books exploring different political viewpoints from school libraries is too far and that's where I draw the line since technically kids could go online and find a pdf but I'd rather have it be more accessible for them to explore on their own terms away from the judgement of their parents, communities or even classmates.
Thanks for watching and leaving this comment. You bring up some really good points! In the video, we did try to represent the valid concerns of many parents that they want the right to protest when they feel books their kids are reading for school are too sexually graphic or contain violence that isn’t age-appropriate. Our main point is that politically motivated legislation to BAN books is deeply problematic - but there SHOULD be an opportunity for meaningful debate and discussion about what kinds of content belong in classrooms and school libraries. Cutting off access to books is never going to be in the best interest of young people, especially those who rarely see their own experience represented in the books they read in school. But yes - we agree 100% that we should presume trust in teachers’ expertise when it comes to deciding what content is most relevant and appropriate for their students. In the words of @vlogbrothers Hank Green, "Efforts to restrict stories are often efforts to restrict empathy." We recommend his video on this topic: th-cam.com/video/MrS-46e59V4/w-d-xo.html
My copy of The Complete Maus, which I ordered back in February when places were talking about banning it, finally came in yesterday. Ironically, some of the efforts to ban books instead acts as advertising for them.
As a current high school student, I often asked for books about police brutality and different culture and LBTQIA story’s to find out about the world around me So many of the topics I asked for had books written by a white heteronormativive person It’s just scary to hear teachers praise reading and see school librarians show me a list of book I CAN’T read longer than the list I CAN In conclusion- banned books are an internet search away, and always worth findibg
You sounfd intelligent enough and appear to have a good enough basic education to be able to parse the information you will be reading, making you a more well-rounded and informed citizen.
I genuinely feel like parents having TOO much control over what their children learn causes more harm to everyone in the long run. Teenagers are beginning to navigate the world around them, and we need to give them the freedom to experience it at a young age so they dont grow up and figure out how much of the world was hidden from them.
Back in the early 90s I got in big trouble for reading a highly controversial book called…. Jurassic Park… you know, because it taught the evils of evolution. Long story short, I got ahold of the book again and read it anyway lol
Don't those people realize hat by banning them, all they're doing is making them more alluring to the kids who will now want to read them all the more? 🤨 If you really don't want them to read them, just give the kids a list of all the books and tell them you think they should read them all. The kids will sigh, throw the list away, and pull out their phones to watch TikTok. duh. 😒
Another good video. Politicians banning books, or facilitating such bans, is a pretty clear cut wrong to be opposed. More difficult is that local pressure does influence decisions of administrators and even librarians at the local level who have to work with the parents of their students. Building community in institutions is hard. These discussions and videos help.
@@inyobillthat is one way to approach it. Another is that we want community and parental engagement in local institutions and schools. That is a critical good for good government. And engagement can be messy, and might not align with the perspective of the institutional leadership or others in the community. All book collections are curated in some ways. One man’s editorial judgement is another’s ban.
I have a question. I completely agree that anyone with enough age should have the right to access the book they want, believe what they want, and express themselves. At the same time, parents have the freedom to regulate the kind of education their children receive while they aren't adults. So, what happens if a parent doesn't want to ban a book but does not agree with the book's message? Imagine a teacher making the book an assignment for a test. Do they have the freedom to not make their children read that book? Is that freedom respected too? Or, on the other hand, we all have to read those books as a mandatory obligation.
Then the parent doesn’t let the kid have the book. If the parent is so worried, then they should be doing thing to prevent their child, not all children from accessing.
Book banning/burning is a direct violation of freedom of speech and should not be allowed. Period. If you have a problem with a book, don't read it. If someone else wants to read it, your child or not, you don't have the right to stop them. That child is a human. It's own human with it's own thoughts and feelings and desires. Start respecting your kids or you'll be sorry once it's time for them to take care of you in turn. *Children are human too.* It'd be great if we started a hashtag called that. #childrenarehumantoo (if there's not one already. I don't do twitter which is where I know the hashtag thing originates from) Make it a place for children of all ages to be heard and seen and respected as the smoll humans they are.
I spent my first three semesters of college at an all male Catholic school. One of the first things we got was a banned book list. On the ist was "The Phenomena of man" by a French, Catholic priest and Philosopher. The town had a pretty good book store. That book regularly sold out. Every Liberal studies student had a copy hidden somewhere in there room
Censorship of purely literary works in school libraries seems like a horrible idea, especially for high schoolers. Give them the freedom to explore any and all topics to their heart’s content. Allow them to form their own opinions and thoughts. So long as the titles don’t contain graphic images of violence or sex, I’d vote to allow them all.
@@AboveTheNoise lyrics from a song, Pop that Pretty Thirty by Rabbit Junk About how much of our control society is self inflicted by a manipuled population.
Most kids wouldn’t read these or even pay attention to banned books if some radical parents didn’t make a big deal of them. If you want kids to read something tell them not to read them and they will sneak around and read it anyway.
This is, of course, horrible, and something that everyone should be vigilant and vocal in opposing and denouncing. But if you are from another country. Know that you still have the freedom to buy them in stores. Unlike many populations with no such freedom. Now, that in no way justify any form of intellectual censoring, yet still important to point out.
There's book bans on both sides actually... Remember "When Harry Became Sally"? Or "A Birthday Cake for George Washington"? Or some of the Dr. Seuss books?
It's not just school libraries. They are also trying to ban them in public libraries. Some public libraries are being defunded because they refuse to ban the books.
Fahrenheit 451 had the same effect on me in high school, we read it in my first year of high school along with Shakespeare, Mockingbird and several others. 451 totally transport me into its world and I just couldn’t put it down. Thanks for the memories 🙂🐿🌈
I'd be curious to know how she'd feel about books like Huckelberry Finn or the works of Enid Blyton being removed for their discussions or depictions of race (especially use racial slurs or racist imagery)? Everyone talks about the book bans from their own perspective but the reality is that groups from across the spectrum have called for bans (abeit for different reasons). Personally I think we should trust our young people a little more and mollycoddle a little less...creeping censorship and the chilling effect around "awkward" discussions is going to do far more damage long term to their sense of self.
You raise a good point, but if you analyze the book banning policies and laws being passed (and we did) - the vast majority of them focus on issues around gender identity, LBGTQ themes, and racial justice. While there are definitely attempts to raise critiques - and in limited cases, bans - of books like the ones you mention, there is not a widespread movement that is using legislation or district policy to remove the books from library shelves.
Why are people banning books? Fear of ideas. Laziness in making a personal list of books you would prefer your child not to read & to schedule a meeting with the school librarian to discuss the matter. The desire to maintain control & power over others.
To kill a mockingbird was banned by progressives in a California county. Florida, governed by conservatives, still encourages this book in their 8 grade curriculums.
Ray Bradbury and George Orwell books, as well as every other political dystopian book got banned in my school which is really sad because i dream to be a politician one day and you can learn about the horrors of the fictional governments, and see how they compare to the real ones.
Im against book baning and cancel culture in general as its like a crud form of mind control that is designed to prevent critical thinking i disagree with books on critical race theory but i believe in the right to write and read them and to try and show the other side and challenge people's opinions
If a book is not provided in a school library but it's available at the public library, Amazon, Barnes and Noble and other places then it's not really banned is it? People need to use words correctly and be honest about what's going on.
I think that no books should be banned, however if parents don't want their children to learn about a certain topic in class, that goes against their religion or political views, then they should not be required to learn that material.
Not necessarily. They may still need to learn the material if it’s part of the curriculum. They may request a choice as to the particular material or text.
why can't there be stickers on these books that say please be advised like we do on videos? Nowadays kids have access to so much more just on their devices. Banning books is silencing voices, even from a conservative point of view I get where they are coming from but maybe as a parent, they should understand that their kids should be taught what is appropriate and what's not, I know I was. Kids cannot have limited access to the world, they will have to face it one day. Bringing sex into the classroom isn't the answer either but maybe don't ban the book but instead have the parents be aware of the book that the child has checked it out and let the parent of said child decide the next step.
It’s telling that there isn’t a discussion or defense of the content of any of theses books. It’s as if that being “banned” makes them intrinsically valuable. Perhaps the word banned is not correct for many of these books removed. Perhaps a discussion of book inclusion should be had instead of exclusion. There’s two sides of indoctrination. Having kids read books because they are in a particular genre can also be wrong. Perhaps people oppose critical race theory not out of racism but because there is some inherent flaws in the theory. It’s almost on both sides there isn’t any diversity of thought.
If schools were pushing books that made claims such as racism never existed and explicitly taught there are only two genders pushback would be understandable. The same pushback is understandable if books are teaching we are all racist and must be anti-racist or there are limitless genders. Ideology tends to move toward extremes, and parents will understandably oppose indoctrination into certain schools of thought. Teach academia not activism.
What is this need to groom kids with sexualized contents? If a book is not allowed to be read or shown in public, it shouldn’t be allowed in schools for kids.
You know, a book isn't really banned if it is available in the public library, online and at bookstores. Parents simply want K-12 schools to curate age-appropriate materials for children.
You know if a book is banned at the school that means a student can't use it as a book report, term paper etc. It's fkd up what they are doing . Books that have been available for years are now suddenly controversial. Wonder why??
Books that are banned usually have the best information and knowledge, but of course, these books will always face criticism because of the ignorance of society who are afraid to question the norm.
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Seems like an overly broad description of all the books that are being banned. How are books like “The Bluest Eye” and “The Hate U Give” equivalent to “misinformation,” which means intentional falsehoods?
@@AboveTheNoise The phrase "misinformation" is used arbitrarily these days to refer to anything that someone wants to censor. It's a blatant double standard. When it comes to propaganda that someone wants to see, they call it "the free flow of information." But for the things they don't want to see, they call it misinformation.
@@ianalvord3903 it's unfortunately true that this term has become manipulated and politicized. That's why it's crucial to try always to ground critical debate over controversial issues in evidence and data. We can disagree over which evidence we find most persuasive, but we need to keep asking questions and investigating different perspectives or we are doomed as a society.
@@AboveTheNoise It's hard to use evidence and data when it comes to questions regarding age appropriateness though. How old should a child be before they can watch Deadpool, read Lovecraft, listen to Metallica, etc? It's a matter of opinion typically left to the parents. I can't read each of these books and give an opinion on each one. But I can say that if parents find a book inappropriate for the children's section, it should be moved to another section.
I love banned books more than unbanned books most of the time. As with most forms of censorship it's just a giant case of thou dost protest to much, though to be fair I'm just ace but I do consider myself a part of the LGBTQ community
Mabey parents dont want thier kids to become slaves to the system. they dont want submisiveness and vulnerability to be rewarded or encouraged. look at the military right now.
Google is your friend. And like you said, there are websites dedicated to banned books, and you can Google everyone of them. I've said and I'll say it again: banning books is the best way to get them read.
I was confused by this quote as well. If all disseminated ideas are generated by human beings, and therefore intrinsically biased to some extent, are they not all propagandistic as well? When you think about it, it’s actually difficult to imagine a book completely free of propaganda. Perhaps some just have more than others.
@@cestlavegan5793 The word itself has just become a buzzword to invalidate any conflicting narrative. In reality, it’s all just “conditioning”. No living being born is free from conditioning. It’s a survival mechanism. It affects us on a biological level to degrees we are still researching about. Being “objective” is an ideal, mostly pursued in spiritualism, but since majority of us are laymen, we will forever be subjective according to our conditioning, as you also put forth. Disagreement inevitably arises when one’s conditioning contradicts that of another. It’s why we create lawful systems for debate, compromise and negotiation.
@@ADTillion That’s interesting. I like the way you related our conditioning to our disagreements. The differences in our conditioning (as well as our genetics I would add) seem to fundamentally cause disagreement between one another. Which I would argue isn’t necessarily a bad thing until it leads to violence.
@@cestlavegan5793 Indeed. Every conditioned behaviour/response develops to help navigate a particular lifestyle, regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Diverse viewpoints lead to more possible adaptations when lifestyles inevitably experience new environmental stresses. For example, the ability to try new clothes, foods, physical exercises, and invent new words and languages etc., are what enabled us to build communities all over the world. If all lived by the same conditioning, then that spells disaster. It’s why the quickest species to go extinct are usually specialists and not generalists. Being generalist is what leads to different lifestyles and attitudes that constantly evolve. Similar logic with businesses. If there is no diversity in viewpoint, then it is impossible to compete and advance in a free market because you will just keep rejecting whatever innovation a rival comes up with, leading you to become obsolete.
@@ADTillion Gotta say, I love this whole exchange happening here. Thanks for being such thoughtful viewers of our content, and raising those provocative points and questions. That's honestly our main goal for this show...just to see that happen in a respectful way in our comments!
I am only going to have enough strength to be able to say this once. I have absolutely had the shit beat out of me about this. It is all about not having Bible in public schools. Bible in our government officials, Gods word in our daily lives. I know for a fact everything living and breathing needs God and please come home.
I think they re going after the wrong people! Who sold these books to the district? They probably came through a procurement process where book sales companies send an allotment to schools, sight unseen. Perhaps to get rid of unprofitable books. No one reviewed the books coming in as the procurement contracts just continue from year to year. In a regular public library the librarian may order books according to popularity, necessity of content, and they can avoid unnecessary books.
Because parents want their kids as ignorant as them. Objectionable language maybe in books? Kids swear worse than their parents who allow it! Oh no my kid will get ideas from this book! Nothing wrong with that. They’re not your clone, parents. Ban a book I never read because I don’t want my kid and YOUR kid to read it! Since when should you control kids not yours! Stop the ignorance!
None of those people said anything about the band dr. Seuss book? The same could be said about social media posts and videos. Some of those defending the band books are also complaining about Elon Musk buying Twitter and allowing for free speech
I promise you there is not a single person that went to school for library science because they wanted to be on the front lines of America's march towards headassery... we are living in ridiculous times
Religious books are absolutely allowed in all private religious schools since everyone attending is a member of that particular religion. Public schools are a different story since they aren't religion based. Besides, the Christian Bible is far more obscene and grotesque than any of the books people are wanting to ban. If anything should be banned, it's that book.
Clearly they believe that they have done a good job teaching their children ethics. Or they are afraid their children are going to learn that there is more to be ethical then they have been taught.
They're getting banned because people are afraid of the "others". If they had more exposure to these oppressed groups, it would enlighten their minds, but they're too afraid of things that are different than them. Anyway, very informative. Left a like for a job well done :D
You can easily find information about the difference in meanings and the history behind why “colored people” is offensive to most Black Americans and why “people of color” has a very different context and meaning. Here is one place you can start learning more: www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-dahleen-glanton-colored-email-reading-list-20200304-utx7geiwm5hupa3t7w6xr3xqn4-story.html
@@AboveTheNoise Wow! Thank you! Good article and informative. The ever evolving struggle of African Americans and other marginalized groups, to define their identity. I appreciate the effort and the information!
that's not banning books. that's picking age appropriate topics and approaches. the books are still available, just not part of a curriculum. pretty disingenuous to conflate those. lucky youtube took off dislike button to protect silly ideas
Many of the laws currently proposed or put into effect demand that the books be removed not only from curricula, but from school library shelves - and in some cases including the youth sections of general public libraries. And if a school or teacher deems a book appropriate for their students when it’s on the list, they can be fired.
They didn't say that they're burning books, or banning them out of the country, they said that they're banning them in schools and libraries, making them less available in certain circles. That doesn't sound disingenuous to me.
@@AboveTheNoise again, that age restricting certain books. That’s like saying putting an R rating on Team America is banning movies. No, the movie is available to be found, just won’t be offered on platforms meant for kids like Kids TH-cam
Did you know you can get a plugin to add the dislikes back? I have it and, as of this comment, there are over 200 likes on this video and only a single dislike. Probably yours.
What do you think about the movement to ban certain books from high school curriculum and libraries?
I think it can be approached as an economics issue. If the books are not particularly good or can't find an audience in schools, then the school libraries won't keep them. But if children are already seeking out to read them, then they obviously possess some meaningful interest to that demographic, and the notion of banning them to prevent those ideas from reaching young minds seems an exercise in futility.
Ironically, the same political forces arguing for this limitation on the dissemination of thoughts and ideas are the same forces that frequently decry what they perceive as violations of free speech and free expression, AND that ostensibly favour a free and unregulated economic system driven by the fundamental forces of supply and demand.
@@ForumArcade Watch out so only books on how to be a succesffull ticktocer are not left :D
I think nothing makes teens willing to push the boundaries of unreasonable authority then being told they can't learn about something.
The tyranny of the state shows its gross hand when it reduces people into subjugate demographics, a "we know what's good for you" enforced by the logiced conclusion of police violence.
After all what happens when you disobey the state?
It's Terror operatives come to your home.
What do I think? It's about power. It's not as bad as NK but that direction is where this is headed, keeping people from being exposed to concepts, controlling their minds by giving them their opinions instead of letting them make their own educated opinions.
And I think it's political, a line-drawing taunt by conservative authoritarians.
I think a lot more about it, but it gets ranty and conspiracy theoryey from here. ;)
I am lucky as a teacher in NYS. We are supported by our district. I am doing five new books with my middle-level readers, including some of those appearing on those lists. This is also true k-12. There’s a little pushback, but the vast majority is supportive.
Banned book lists are must reads (I've never seen the list so long). Controversial songs have been songs I've gone out of my way to listen to. I guess narrow minds fear breadth and depth. We'll always be struggling against them.
A lot of the books on the most challenged book lists are YA best sellers. We can't claim it's a causational relationship and not correlative, but...makes ya wonder.
Books about buttsecks... in elementary school?
Or Mein Kampf?
There's a difference between banning and "not available on the school library"
Usually it has the opposite effect, as rhe book looks more interesting, and it's a google search away
True that this is an important distinction. Also true that making a book unavailable tends to increase the desire to read it.
The Streisand Effect
One of the positive things of living in the Information Age is that if someone wants a banned book they can usually find it. Before, if a book was forbidden to local libraries and bookstores refused to carry it (or were intimidated into not carrying it), there was somewhere between jack and shit that could be done to get it by most folks. What are you going to do, take time away from the rest of your life to travel two states over for novel? That's an inconvenient expense even after the mass adoption of the automobile, and impossible for most teens; and a hundred years ago no one was going to do that for a single copy of a recently written book. (Though I wager there were some "black market" shops that carried banned books all the same.)
Well there’s been public libraries that are also on fire for having banned books as well. They’re trying to make it unavailable for those who are poor and can’t afford simple luxuries like buying new books.
@AboveTheNoise not a single, elementary kid cares about the ban; no one is looking for these books except for pervy parents.
I work at a library and we just had information go out on how to inform patrons that the goal of the library is to offer any and all information possible.
This reminds me of the Parental Advisory stickers on music when i was a teen in the 90s. I sought out the label!
Hhmmm... That's so true. The label made them desirable for sure.
I don't think Nicole Cardoza summarized the conservative viewpoint in good faith here, she didn't acknowledge the possibility that there might be genuinely inappropriate depictions of sex or violence within any of these texts and I don't think them having a marginalized author should give them carte blanche to write whatever they want and have it taught in schools. I agree with the idea that students should be faced with hard ideas like the history of racism and prejudice within this country but that doesn't mean I think every school should show graphic footage of Rodney King being beaten to death to kids.
I think the banning of any books from libraries is a step too far from any political viewpoint, conservative or progressive. Classes and their curriculum should be led by the teachers and their expertise but to ban lgbtq+ literature or books exploring different political viewpoints from school libraries is too far and that's where I draw the line since technically kids could go online and find a pdf but I'd rather have it be more accessible for them to explore on their own terms away from the judgement of their parents, communities or even classmates.
Thanks for watching and leaving this comment. You bring up some really good points! In the video, we did try to represent the valid concerns of many parents that they want the right to protest when they feel books their kids are reading for school are too sexually graphic or contain violence that isn’t age-appropriate. Our main point is that politically motivated legislation to BAN books is deeply problematic - but there SHOULD be an opportunity for meaningful debate and discussion about what kinds of content belong in classrooms and school libraries. Cutting off access to books is never going to be in the best interest of young people, especially those who rarely see their own experience represented in the books they read in school. But yes - we agree 100% that we should presume trust in teachers’ expertise when it comes to deciding what content is most relevant and appropriate for their students. In the words of @vlogbrothers Hank Green, "Efforts to restrict stories are often efforts to restrict empathy." We recommend his video on this topic: th-cam.com/video/MrS-46e59V4/w-d-xo.html
@@AboveTheNoise That’s part of the problem: disingenuous politicians trying to stoke rage in order to generate votes by demonizing us teachers.
A couple years ago I distributed about a dozen copies of Fahrenheit 451 to little library projects here around Akron, Ohio.
That’s awesome! Thanks for doing that!
My copy of The Complete Maus, which I ordered back in February when places were talking about banning it, finally came in yesterday. Ironically, some of the efforts to ban books instead acts as advertising for them.
It took months for my copy to arrive because they were backlogged.
As a current high school student, I often asked for books about police brutality and different culture and LBTQIA story’s to find out about the world around me
So many of the topics I asked for had books written by a white heteronormativive person
It’s just scary to hear teachers praise reading and see school librarians show me a list of book I CAN’T read longer than the list I CAN
In conclusion- banned books are an internet search away, and always worth findibg
This is why I appreciate all the support I am getting for teaching King and the Dragonflies. 🥰
LGBTQIA not LHBTQIA the "H" word is seen as a slur by many.
You sounfd intelligent enough and appear to have a good enough basic education to be able to parse the information you will be reading, making you a more well-rounded and informed citizen.
@@ericapelz260 Please stop abusing the alphabet it is offence to people.
lol kid, you're basically listed topics that are high on MSM and left-wing minds. I mean, you used "white heteronormative" in a serious manner.
Never ceases to amaze me that the land of the free is only free from a narrow perspective.
One person's freedom is another person's attack on freedom, it seems. you especially see that around the whole free speech debate.
I genuinely feel like parents having TOO much control over what their children learn causes more harm to everyone in the long run. Teenagers are beginning to navigate the world around them, and we need to give them the freedom to experience it at a young age so they dont grow up and figure out how much of the world was hidden from them.
Banned books are an endorsement.
And banning books is all too often a political endorsement for candidates in certain voting districts.
Back in the early 90s I got in big trouble for reading a highly controversial book called…. Jurassic Park… you know, because it taught the evils of evolution. Long story short, I got ahold of the book again and read it anyway lol
Of course you did. The only students who didn't were the ones who weren't very smart.
Bro, even as someone in a Christian family, none of us would care lol
If I was an author, I would just LOVE IT if they banned my book. It just about GAURENTEE some decent sales!
Don't those people realize hat by banning them, all they're doing is making them more alluring to the kids who will now want to read them all the more? 🤨 If you really don't want them to read them, just give the kids a list of all the books and tell them you think they should read them all. The kids will sigh, throw the list away, and pull out their phones to watch TikTok. duh. 😒
Um, yes. But what about getting those fearful parents votes in conservative districts? We gotta ask what the real objectives behind these bans are.
maybe that's the intention, kind of like a reverse psychology thing
That doesn’t always work many would read what you tell them too while others won’t.
I played and ran lots of dystopian ttrpg, we felt they were so over the top sometimes, now looking back they seem tame
Another good video.
Politicians banning books, or facilitating such bans, is a pretty clear cut wrong to be opposed. More difficult is that local pressure does influence decisions of administrators and even librarians at the local level who have to work with the parents of their students. Building community in institutions is hard. These discussions and videos help.
Makes one wonder what they so afraid of?
@@inyobillthat is one way to approach it. Another is that we want community and parental engagement in local institutions and schools. That is a critical good for good government. And engagement can be messy, and might not align with the perspective of the institutional leadership or others in the community. All book collections are curated in some ways. One man’s editorial judgement is another’s ban.
@@inyobillPeople who think and question the choices of those in charge.
@@thomasr.jackson2940 Then one looks at what books are being banned, and one makes one's own opinion.
I have a question. I completely agree that anyone with enough age should have the right to access the book they want, believe what they want, and express themselves. At the same time, parents have the freedom to regulate the kind of education their children receive while they aren't adults. So, what happens if a parent doesn't want to ban a book but does not agree with the book's message? Imagine a teacher making the book an assignment for a test. Do they have the freedom to not make their children read that book? Is that freedom respected too? Or, on the other hand, we all have to read those books as a mandatory obligation.
Then the parent doesn’t let the kid have the book. If the parent is so worried, then they should be doing thing to prevent their child, not all children from accessing.
Book banning/burning is a direct violation of freedom of speech and should not be allowed. Period.
If you have a problem with a book, don't read it. If someone else wants to read it, your child or not, you don't have the right to stop them.
That child is a human.
It's own human with it's own thoughts and feelings and desires.
Start respecting your kids or you'll be sorry once it's time for them to take care of you in turn.
*Children are human too.*
It'd be great if we started a hashtag called that. #childrenarehumantoo (if there's not one already. I don't do twitter which is where I know the hashtag thing originates from)
Make it a place for children of all ages to be heard and seen and respected as the smoll humans they are.
I spent my first three semesters of college at an all male Catholic school. One of the first things we got was a banned book list. On the ist was "The Phenomena of man" by a French, Catholic priest and Philosopher. The town had a pretty good book store. That book regularly sold out. Every Liberal studies student had a copy hidden somewhere in there room
Censorship of purely literary works in school libraries seems like a horrible idea, especially for high schoolers. Give them the freedom to explore any and all topics to their heart’s content. Allow them to form their own opinions and thoughts. So long as the titles don’t contain graphic images of violence or sex, I’d vote to allow them all.
Let these idiots ban books from their libraries. Kids today can just download the book they want on their kindle.
In Florida they are only banned in elementary school libraries in public schools.
"The moms and the pops, you all are the cops"
Catchy. And often true -- for better or for worse.
@@AboveTheNoise lyrics from a song, Pop that Pretty Thirty by Rabbit Junk
About how much of our control society is self inflicted by a manipuled population.
Most kids wouldn’t read these or even pay attention to banned books if some radical parents didn’t make a big deal of them. If you want kids to read something tell them not to read them and they will sneak around and read it anyway.
With social media, kids don’t read or don’t know how…reality
This is, of course, horrible, and something that everyone should be vigilant and vocal in opposing and denouncing. But if you are from another country. Know that you still have the freedom to buy them in stores. Unlike many populations with no such freedom. Now, that in no way justify any form of intellectual censoring, yet still important to point out.
Didn't the nazis also use a simular tactic
Yes, they did! History is only repeating itself.
There's book bans on both sides actually... Remember "When Harry Became Sally"? Or "A Birthday Cake for George Washington"? Or some of the Dr. Seuss books?
source?
@@yeetman4953 Just look up the titles I mentioned
It's not just school libraries. They are also trying to ban them in public libraries. Some public libraries are being defunded because they refuse to ban the books.
Good...they are trying to indoctrinate children
What are we to do when kids want to read husler magazines?
Fahrenheit 451 had the same effect on me in high school, we read it in my first year of high school along with Shakespeare, Mockingbird and several others.
451 totally transport me into its world and I just couldn’t put it down. Thanks for the memories 🙂🐿🌈
Is The Bible among those banned?
Now there’s a question
The one true indoctrination.
Don't ban the books.
It's extremely important to know the contents of the book before reading though.
Thank you PBS.
Liberals: OMG, they're banning books.
Also Liberals: OMG, Musk isn't banning people on Twitter.
I'd be curious to know how she'd feel about books like Huckelberry Finn or the works of Enid Blyton being removed for their discussions or depictions of race (especially use racial slurs or racist imagery)? Everyone talks about the book bans from their own perspective but the reality is that groups from across the spectrum have called for bans (abeit for different reasons). Personally I think we should trust our young people a little more and mollycoddle a little less...creeping censorship and the chilling effect around "awkward" discussions is going to do far more damage long term to their sense of self.
You raise a good point, but if you analyze the book banning policies and laws being passed (and we did) - the vast majority of them focus on issues around gender identity, LBGTQ themes, and racial justice. While there are definitely attempts to raise critiques - and in limited cases, bans - of books like the ones you mention, there is not a widespread movement that is using legislation or district policy to remove the books from library shelves.
Very insightful. Thank you.
No book should be banned. Regardless of what it says. It doesn't matter if it's for or against my ideology. No to book ban everywhere. Period.
What if the book actively encourages murder and racism?
Why are people banning books?
Fear of ideas.
Laziness in making a personal list of books you would prefer your child not to read & to schedule a meeting with the school librarian to discuss the matter.
The desire to maintain control & power over others.
To kill a mockingbird was banned by progressives in a California county. Florida, governed by conservatives, still encourages this book in their 8 grade curriculums.
Ray Bradbury and George Orwell books, as well as every other political dystopian book got banned in my school which is really sad because i dream to be a politician one day and you can learn about the horrors of the fictional governments, and see how they compare to the real ones.
Cause most of them are not age appropriate?🤷♂️😐
Not an excuse.
Such a great episode. Banning books is horrible. America of the free? Freedom of speech? There are limits to American "freedoms".
Im against book baning and cancel culture in general as its like a crud form of mind control that is designed to prevent critical thinking i disagree with books on critical race theory but i believe in the right to write and read them and to try and show the other side and challenge people's opinions
If a book is not provided in a school library but it's available at the public library, Amazon, Barnes and Noble and other places then it's not really banned is it? People need to use words correctly and be honest about what's going on.
By the definition of book ban it is
@@kianakhaos8609 it's not
@@Mr.JoeBangles yes it is, look it up
The Ignorance here is blatant.
Care to elaborate?
I think that no books should be banned, however if parents don't want their children to learn about a certain topic in class, that goes against their religion or political views, then they should not be required to learn that material.
Not necessarily. They may still need to learn the material if it’s part of the curriculum. They may request a choice as to the particular material or text.
why can't there be stickers on these books that say please be advised like we do on videos? Nowadays kids have access to so much more just on their devices. Banning books is silencing voices, even from a conservative point of view I get where they are coming from but maybe as a parent, they should understand that their kids should be taught what is appropriate and what's not, I know I was.
Kids cannot have limited access to the world, they will have to face it one day. Bringing sex into the classroom isn't the answer either but maybe don't ban the book but instead have the parents be aware of the book that the child has checked it out and let the parent of said child decide the next step.
If I was an author, I wold LOVE it if they banned my book. It would just about GARENTWEE
These books aren't banned by society but curated for age. Do a video on the protocols of zion, or books you can't order from Amazon.
protocols of zion is a propaganda piece. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
It’s telling that there isn’t a discussion or defense of the content of any of theses books. It’s as if that being “banned” makes them intrinsically valuable. Perhaps the word banned is not correct for many of these books removed. Perhaps a discussion of book inclusion should be had instead of exclusion. There’s two sides of indoctrination. Having kids read books because they are in a particular genre can also be wrong. Perhaps people oppose critical race theory not out of racism but because there is some inherent flaws in the theory. It’s almost on both sides there isn’t any diversity of thought.
Fahrenheit 451
&
1984
Once great pieces of literature. Now becoming reality.
If schools were pushing books that made claims such as racism never existed and explicitly taught there are only two genders pushback would be understandable. The same pushback is understandable if books are teaching we are all racist and must be anti-racist or there are limitless genders. Ideology tends to move toward extremes, and parents will understandably oppose indoctrination into certain schools of thought. Teach academia not activism.
that's what happens when you take away dr.seuss
That’s horrible! Double standards. Access to information should be banned. Why.
I see banned books, I see tbr material
What about video games
What is this need to groom kids with sexualized contents? If a book is not allowed to be read or shown in public, it shouldn’t be allowed in schools for kids.
You know, a book isn't really banned if it is available in the public library, online and at bookstores. Parents simply want K-12 schools to curate age-appropriate materials for children.
You know if a book is banned at the school that means a student can't use it as a book report, term paper etc. It's fkd up what they are doing . Books that have been available for years are now suddenly controversial. Wonder why??
@@teresalee467yeah, like Dr Seuss!
Parents and their moral panics can eff off.
Books that are banned usually have the best information and knowledge, but of course, these books will always face criticism because of the ignorance of society who are afraid to question the norm.
Just discovered your channel, along with 8000 other PBS one's. My brain is exploding 🤣🤣. As a life long lover of books, I think banning is just about one of the most dispicable things we can do as a culture/society. What's next, burning! ( Bradbury 😉). Lord of the Rings best books ever!! Thanks for your channel 👍. Hopefully you'll read this 🤞. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦✌️
Just think of these books as "misinformation" and then maybe you will understand why parents don't want them endorsed by the schools.
Seems like an overly broad description of all the books that are being banned. How are books like “The Bluest Eye” and “The Hate U Give” equivalent to “misinformation,” which means intentional falsehoods?
@@AboveTheNoise The phrase "misinformation" is used arbitrarily these days to refer to anything that someone wants to censor.
It's a blatant double standard. When it comes to propaganda that someone wants to see, they call it "the free flow of information." But for the things they don't want to see, they call it misinformation.
@@ianalvord3903 it's unfortunately true that this term has become manipulated and politicized. That's why it's crucial to try always to ground critical debate over controversial issues in evidence and data. We can disagree over which evidence we find most persuasive, but we need to keep asking questions and investigating different perspectives or we are doomed as a society.
@@AboveTheNoise It's hard to use evidence and data when it comes to questions regarding age appropriateness though.
How old should a child be before they can watch Deadpool, read Lovecraft, listen to Metallica, etc? It's a matter of opinion typically left to the parents.
I can't read each of these books and give an opinion on each one. But I can say that if parents find a book inappropriate for the children's section, it should be moved to another section.
Bro, your beard is epic
New goal: write a book that would be banned in Texas
Would be sure to drive sales!
Why is Dr. Seuss being banned?
There's just one issue: It isn't banned. It stopped being produced because it wasn't making revenues, and racism is just a secondary concern.
I love banned books more than unbanned books most of the time.
As with most forms of censorship it's just a giant case of thou dost protest to much, though to be fair I'm just ace but I do consider myself a part of the LGBTQ community
I agree. This is why I have a lot of support in my district offering a choice book with LGBTQ characters at the middle school level. 😁
Mabey parents dont want thier kids to become slaves to the system. they dont want submisiveness and vulnerability to be rewarded or encouraged. look at the military right now.
Google is your friend. And like you said, there are websites dedicated to banned books, and you can Google everyone of them.
I've said and I'll say it again: banning books is the best way to get them read.
I love some of the classic books
It doesn't make sense we teach kids to read then take away their books let the kids read teach them about their Right to Read and speak
Banning books? How bout banning CELL PHONES in schools to protect the kids..
"Pro- abolitionist propaganda."
Yeah, and...?
I was confused by this quote as well. If all disseminated ideas are generated by human beings, and therefore intrinsically biased to some extent, are they not all propagandistic as well? When you think about it, it’s actually difficult to imagine a book completely free of propaganda. Perhaps some just have more than others.
@@cestlavegan5793 The word itself has just become a buzzword to invalidate any conflicting narrative. In reality, it’s all just “conditioning”. No living being born is free from conditioning. It’s a survival mechanism. It affects us on a biological level to degrees we are still researching about. Being “objective” is an ideal, mostly pursued in spiritualism, but since majority of us are laymen, we will forever be subjective according to our conditioning, as you also put forth. Disagreement inevitably arises when one’s conditioning contradicts that of another. It’s why we create lawful systems for debate, compromise and negotiation.
@@ADTillion That’s interesting. I like the way you related our conditioning to our disagreements. The differences in our conditioning (as well as our genetics I would add) seem to fundamentally cause disagreement between one another. Which I would argue isn’t necessarily a bad thing until it leads to violence.
@@cestlavegan5793 Indeed. Every conditioned behaviour/response develops to help navigate a particular lifestyle, regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Diverse viewpoints lead to more possible adaptations when lifestyles inevitably experience new environmental stresses. For example, the ability to try new clothes, foods, physical exercises, and invent new words and languages etc., are what enabled us to build communities all over the world.
If all lived by the same conditioning, then that spells disaster. It’s why the quickest species to go extinct are usually specialists and not generalists. Being generalist is what leads to different lifestyles and attitudes that constantly evolve. Similar logic with businesses. If there is no diversity in viewpoint, then it is impossible to compete and advance in a free market because you will just keep rejecting whatever innovation a rival comes up with, leading you to become obsolete.
@@ADTillion Gotta say, I love this whole exchange happening here. Thanks for being such thoughtful viewers of our content, and raising those provocative points and questions. That's honestly our main goal for this show...just to see that happen in a respectful way in our comments!
Great video
instead of banning books, why not promote the ones that you like?
i love banned books! not sure what those parents are worried about, they're kids don't read books anyways 😂
I am only going to have enough strength to be able to say this once. I have absolutely had the shit beat out of me about this. It is all about not having Bible in public schools. Bible in our government officials, Gods word in our daily lives. I know for a fact everything living and breathing needs God and please come home.
I think they re going after the wrong people! Who sold these books to the district? They probably came through a procurement process where book sales companies send an allotment to schools, sight unseen. Perhaps to get rid of unprofitable books. No one reviewed the books coming in as the procurement contracts just continue from year to year. In a regular public library the librarian may order books according to popularity, necessity of content, and they can avoid unnecessary books.
Because parents want their kids as ignorant as them. Objectionable language maybe in books? Kids swear worse than their parents who allow it! Oh no my kid will get ideas from this book! Nothing wrong with that. They’re not your clone, parents.
Ban a book I never read because I don’t want my kid and YOUR kid to read it! Since when should you control kids not yours!
Stop the ignorance!
Banned books are top sellers!
Hand basket days
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the fact that "To Kill A Mockingbird" got banned baffles me...
The banning of these books make people want to read them
None of those people said anything about the band dr. Seuss book? The same could be said about social media posts and videos. Some of those defending the band books are also complaining about Elon Musk buying Twitter and allowing for free speech
Damn, the books you listed sound pretty bad lol
I promise you there is not a single person that went to school for library science because they wanted to be on the front lines of America's march towards headassery...
we are living in ridiculous times
Indeed. And thank you librarians for your service - whether you intended it or not, it is very much appreciated!
Search: manufacturing consent.
I'd start there.
Then read '1984', and compare it to your society.
Have a strong drink. Forge on.
Oh!! This guy is for bringing the Bible back into school! And other Christian books! ……or maybe not. Maybe he is not for openness ……He seems confused.
Religious books are absolutely allowed in all private religious schools since everyone attending is a member of that particular religion. Public schools are a different story since they aren't religion based. Besides, the Christian Bible is far more obscene and grotesque than any of the books people are wanting to ban. If anything should be banned, it's that book.
Clearly they believe that they have done a good job teaching their children ethics. Or they are afraid their children are going to learn that there is more to be ethical then they have been taught.
Then they should band the bible. Have you read how much horrible stuff is in there? Hmmmm....
They're getting banned because people are afraid of the "others". If they had more exposure to these oppressed groups, it would enlighten their minds, but they're too afraid of things that are different than them. Anyway, very informative. Left a like for a job well done :D
Banning books is ridiculous. If anyone should be telling the kids what they can or can't read, it's their parents.
Your dangerous for promoting these pornagraphic books for children!!
"People of color." Could someone help me with this? It was my impression that this was just saying, colored people again. Did I miss something?
You can easily find information about the difference in meanings and the history behind why “colored people” is offensive to most Black Americans and why “people of color” has a very different context and meaning. Here is one place you can start learning more: www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-dahleen-glanton-colored-email-reading-list-20200304-utx7geiwm5hupa3t7w6xr3xqn4-story.html
@@AboveTheNoise Wow! Thank you! Good article and informative. The ever evolving struggle of African Americans and other marginalized groups, to define their identity. I appreciate the effort and the information!
This is leftest propaganda.
Explain how this is propaganda
Tbh not that big of a deal. No kid wants to read this. When i was in school i was reading Diary of the Wimpy kid. No that's some quality
This is cute
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that's not banning books. that's picking age appropriate topics and approaches. the books are still available, just not part of a curriculum. pretty disingenuous to conflate those. lucky youtube took off dislike button to protect silly ideas
Many of the laws currently proposed or put into effect demand that the books be removed not only from curricula, but from school library shelves - and in some cases including the youth sections of general public libraries. And if a school or teacher deems a book appropriate for their students when it’s on the list, they can be fired.
They didn't say that they're burning books, or banning them out of the country, they said that they're banning them in schools and libraries, making them less available in certain circles. That doesn't sound disingenuous to me.
@@AboveTheNoise again, that age restricting certain books. That’s like saying putting an R rating on Team America is banning movies. No, the movie is available to be found, just won’t be offered on platforms meant for kids like Kids TH-cam
Did you know you can get a plugin to add the dislikes back? I have it and, as of this comment, there are over 200 likes on this video and only a single dislike. Probably yours.
@@summervibes9931 age appropriate, like math?? Or physics or.....keep your kids in home and homeschool
I don't, do not believe in baning books. 451...
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Parents Choice Gold Award winning book COOLIES is also banned @unbanCoolies