I wouldn’t trust this government with R10 in my bank account but that’s not the point. Every time discussions about inequality comes up y’all don’t bring solutions to solving it so until you can come up with a better idea on how to equalise society then socialism is the best solution we got.
@SibuAndSphe well said bafo , we understand 100% the point you are making , the time of negotiation and trying to explain the logic of our reasoning to white folks who hate us is over . No more playing with these people. Sikhathele .
There's no point in trying to explain our poverty to white people . If you truly feel the country is doomed , get your passport and leave . Enough is enough .
If they Change the Constiution and Nationalise evrything there Will be no incentive for Big Business to stay because there will be No compeditiveness, we will become like Zimbabwe i am telling you, whomever they go into Coalition with you better Hope that they Are constitionalists .
Decreasing dependency on the us dollar and western investment and increasing trade relations with BRICS partners is the solution to this problem. Being bullied by western capitalist to dictate how we run our country also needs to stop.
I understood we have partners in brics willing to help us. What scares me with this model. Is that we have seen what has happend in other african countries where china has gave loans for ports and railways and when these loans couldnt be paid back. China takes it over. Now they have a foreign country owning a port of entry. Its not like our government is good a repaying debt. Look at what our local metros debt looks like just to eskom. So what does having these new partners helping us, really mean for south africa?
BRICS is tricky one but it’s the best option we have to remove our dependence on western capital until SA becomes a super power on the international stage we will always be dependent on others
@SibuAndSphe What scares me is at what cost? Just as an example, we get capital loans from China to obtain the mines and operate them. Now, 30 years of history have shown us how state-owned entities are run and managed. So then, loans don't get paid, and ownership is lost to those providing the loans. Then we're back to where we started, with just new capital replacing old, and while these deals are being made, a few get rich on the backs of the rest of us. That's why it feels us the people are just being used as an excuse for those few to enrich themselves with no real regard for what it really means on the impact on people's lives.
@@Thatotherguy803South Africa is one of the founding countries of BRICS therefore they will not suffer the same consequences as other states since it will force global instability if such was to happen. Imagine holding the founders of the BRICS bank at ransom😂. That would be a boss move even from China
The best possible coalition arrangement is that of ANC + EFF+ ACTION SA..... Mixture of Capitalism and Socialism.... Rule of law... Economic growth... Economic development.... War on inequality.... Free quality education... Accountability... Consequence management
My worry is that communism is an idea that make sense on paper but doesn't perform well in reality. Around 25 countries tried communism. They all started out well, and then became empoverished or destroyed. Before I commit to such an idiology, i need to know how we plan to avoid the same pitfalls they did...
Decreasing dependency on the us dollar and western investment and increasing trade relations with BRICS partners is the solution to this problem. Being bullied by western capitalist to dictate how we run our country also needs to stop. Russia and China have heavily decreased reliance on western capital so sanctions from the west does not effect them much.
But ee need the west too....we cant be choosing sides when it come to the economy....we can have bith sides and still grow...we need both the west and the east in order to grow....our biggest market combined is in the west and china is our single biggest trade partner but when you combine the whole west block then you get to realise gore they are our biggest trade partner....we should do what india is doing mwaning we need to combine both markets in order for us to succeed....
I wouldn’t mind the west if they weren’t dictating how we should run our country by threatening to destabilise our economy everytime things don’t go their way it would be impossible to fight inequality with the meddling in our affairs
No. ANC should make a deal with everyone and make things look interesting 😁. Vele we live in a mixed economy and we survived Jo'burg coalitions so we've got this 😅 Thanks Sibu and Sphe. Don't worry there are better days ahead of us so just enjoy the madness while it last because this country is changing for the better.
I can ask you a better question. If you could wake up tomorrow would you rather wake up an average white South African or an average black South African. Then you would understand why people want to be “equal” in our society
@@SibuAndSphe an average white South African......your conversation is very informative. Regardless however, most people would prefer the racist America because America has the promise of reward for hard work. Nigeria has wealth too....but people see hard work as the path to glory and not the Government. True glory is in hard work and perseverance and not a hand out
@@P3Finace You have a very uninformed opinion about the USA. The USA are crumbling. The average American is not happy with their government. The USA is an oligarchy. That is a fact. They wage wars all over the world to steal natural resources and control by force. People are waking up to this. Time you do to.
@P3Finance most people prefer the states because it promises people equal opportunities to succeed which is what people are asking for here when they they want equality, I’m not sure why people always think people want handouts when talking about equality.
@@SibuAndSphe Yes. If you listen to the Holomisa being interviewed by Penuel, you hear how the ANC leaders (Mandela, etc.) took money already before 1994 from the same rich people who control the economy.
The truth is the western cape can't handle the floods of people moving here. We need another province to succeed, hopefully Gauteng. 🙏 The DA is trying to uplift people but for every 1 person that is uplifted another desperate person moves down. It's like with all the people from Zim moving here to work.
The idea that Socialism shares wealth amongst everyone is just not true. Which example is there of this happening? China and Russia both have disparities in wealth for the people at the top and bottom. And these are supposed to be the best examples. You also spoke about the fact that capitalists are okay with classism, if you look at, China. Russia (not going to include the failed states in attempt to be fair) there is also classism there so it's not an exclusively "capitalist" thing, it's a human nature thing.
There will never be absolute equality and anyone thinking there could be is not being honest there will always be an imbalance in wealth throughout history leaders acquired most of the wealth while the general population got what they could get from the leaders every empire and society operated like this. The idea of socialism is to reduce that gap to an acceptable level basically nobody gets left behind. What you fail to mention is that the poverty rate in Russia is less than 7% while in China it’s less than 2% in a country with over a billion people in it is a ridiculous feat, while in the USA it’s above 10% and rising and in the uk it’s above 20% so based on those numbers clearly one system is better suited to reduce the poverty rate and inequality as opposed to the other.
To respond to your second point like I said as well classism isn’t a bad thing I don’t mind classism based on value brought to society but classism based on race is bad which is something that needs to get fixed in this country
@SibuAndSphe Unfortunately those numbers are not really a good representation of something "working". The "poor" people in America are more well off than the poor people in China and Russia. Then there's also discrepancies on how those numbers are actually measured but we don't need to get into that. For example the poor people in SA are better off than the poor people in other African countries even though they all live under poverty. Which according to the logic it shouldn't be the case since we are so "unequal". Hence the poor people in other African countries will migrate to South Africa (the more "unequal" country) over their own country (which is more "equal")
I don’t agree that a poor person is more well off in the states than in China for example you need to look at other things like homeless rates, and starvation rates as well the us and uk have a higher percentage of people who are homeless and face food insecurity, so even though they may have more in terms of income that doesn’t mean they can afford to live in that country. Poor people in China can afford a roof over their heads and food while the states and uk not so much because socialist governments have policies in place to ensure even the poor live in dignity while capitalist governments don’t care about the poor.
@@SibuAndSphe I know, but that's better than allowing ourselves to be controlled by the white monopoly capital while we are told we're living in a democracy. I don't think all white people will run overseas. Just like in 1994. Racists...abahambe kahle. ANC-MK-EFF represents the same people in this country. We were liberated from them (DA people), we can't go back there, No!
@@SibuAndSpheleave the issue of the rand... Would we have ethical leadership?? Accountability and Consequence management?? Rule of law?? Qualify education?? ANC +MK + EFF is just ANC 2.0...status quo continues.... More poverty for us... More riches for politicians.... Collapse of RSA ... Too sad!!
The ANC never served the majority, so it only makes sense that they come out of the closet and openly join the DA, who both only served the filthy rich.
What's to worry about, Western Cape is run by DA, more people moving to Western Cape then moving away from the western cape. That should tell you a lot.
It shocks me to hear that people of this country want to nationalize and give more control of things to the government. Truly mind blowing.
Right. What happened to our bride and joy, the post office, Gov hospitals, SAA, Eskom and trains? Who destroyed them?
I wouldn’t trust this government with R10 in my bank account but that’s not the point. Every time discussions about inequality comes up y’all don’t bring solutions to solving it so until you can come up with a better idea on how to equalise society then socialism is the best solution we got.
@SibuAndSphe well said bafo , we understand 100% the point you are making , the time of negotiation and trying to explain the logic of our reasoning to white folks who hate us is over . No more playing with these people. Sikhathele .
There's no point in trying to explain our poverty to white people . If you truly feel the country is doomed , get your passport and leave . Enough is enough .
@@SibuAndSphe what socialist country do u want SA to be like ?
The Free Market Foundation talk of a No-Alition, where ANC will need to lobby for support on every issue.
If they Change the Constiution and Nationalise evrything there Will be no incentive for Big Business to stay because there will be No compeditiveness, we will become like Zimbabwe i am telling you, whomever they go into Coalition with you better Hope that they Are constitionalists .
Decreasing dependency on the us dollar and western investment and increasing trade relations with BRICS partners is the solution to this problem. Being bullied by western capitalist to dictate how we run our country also needs to stop.
why cant they allwork together and leave the ANC with thier 40%
Because political parties will choose self interests over what is best for the country.
These parties don't see eye to eye. Even a common enemy would never make the opposition unite. COVID and the economic recession even failed 🤷🏽♂️
I understood we have partners in brics willing to help us. What scares me with this model. Is that we have seen what has happend in other african countries where china has gave loans for ports and railways and when these loans couldnt be paid back. China takes it over. Now they have a foreign country owning a port of entry. Its not like our government is good a repaying debt. Look at what our local metros debt looks like just to eskom. So what does having these new partners helping us, really mean for south africa?
BRICS is tricky one but it’s the best option we have to remove our dependence on western capital until SA becomes a super power on the international stage we will always be dependent on others
@SibuAndSphe What scares me is at what cost? Just as an example, we get capital loans from China to obtain the mines and operate them. Now, 30 years of history have shown us how state-owned entities are run and managed. So then, loans don't get paid, and ownership is lost to those providing the loans. Then we're back to where we started, with just new capital replacing old, and while these deals are being made, a few get rich on the backs of the rest of us. That's why it feels us the people are just being used as an excuse for those few to enrich themselves with no real regard for what it really means on the impact on people's lives.
@@Thatotherguy803South Africa is one of the founding countries of BRICS therefore they will not suffer the same consequences as other states since it will force global instability if such was to happen. Imagine holding the founders of the BRICS bank at ransom😂. That would be a boss move even from China
The best possible coalition arrangement is that of ANC + EFF+ ACTION SA..... Mixture of Capitalism and Socialism.... Rule of law... Economic growth... Economic development.... War on inequality.... Free quality education... Accountability... Consequence management
My worry is that communism is an idea that make sense on paper but doesn't perform well in reality. Around 25 countries tried communism. They all started out well, and then became empoverished or destroyed. Before I commit to such an idiology, i need to know how we plan to avoid the same pitfalls they did...
Decreasing dependency on the us dollar and western investment and increasing trade relations with BRICS partners is the solution to this problem. Being bullied by western capitalist to dictate how we run our country also needs to stop. Russia and China have heavily decreased reliance on western capital so sanctions from the west does not effect them much.
But ee need the west too....we cant be choosing sides when it come to the economy....we can have bith sides and still grow...we need both the west and the east in order to grow....our biggest market combined is in the west and china is our single biggest trade partner but when you combine the whole west block then you get to realise gore they are our biggest trade partner....we should do what india is doing mwaning we need to combine both markets in order for us to succeed....
I wouldn’t mind the west if they weren’t dictating how we should run our country by threatening to destabilise our economy everytime things don’t go their way it would be impossible to fight inequality with the meddling in our affairs
No. ANC should make a deal with everyone and make things look interesting 😁. Vele we live in a mixed economy and we survived Jo'burg coalitions so we've got this 😅 Thanks Sibu and Sphe. Don't worry there are better days ahead of us so just enjoy the madness while it last because this country is changing for the better.
Ask your audience the magical question....A Free ticket to America or A Free ticket to Russia ....Take an honest vote.
I can ask you a better question. If you could wake up tomorrow would you rather wake up an average white South African or an average black South African. Then you would understand why people want to be “equal” in our society
@@SibuAndSphe an average white South African......your conversation is very informative. Regardless however, most people would prefer the racist America because America has the promise of reward for hard work. Nigeria has wealth too....but people see hard work as the path to glory and not the Government. True glory is in hard work and perseverance and not a hand out
@@P3Finace You have a very uninformed opinion about the USA. The USA are crumbling. The average American is not happy with their government. The USA is an oligarchy. That is a fact. They wage wars all over the world to steal natural resources and control by force. People are waking up to this. Time you do to.
@P3Finance most people prefer the states because it promises people equal opportunities to succeed which is what people are asking for here when they they want equality, I’m not sure why people always think people want handouts when talking about equality.
It will be a ANC-DA coalition and hopefully then honest people can realize both were basically one, controlled by the same rich people.
This will expose if they really sold out or not
@@SibuAndSphe Yes. If you listen to the Holomisa being interviewed by Penuel, you hear how the ANC leaders (Mandela, etc.) took money already before 1994 from the same rich people who control the economy.
The truth is the western cape can't handle the floods of people moving here. We need another province to succeed, hopefully Gauteng. 🙏
The DA is trying to uplift people but for every 1 person that is uplifted another desperate person moves down.
It's like with all the people from Zim moving here to work.
East or west we must have our own za 🇿🇦 💯 🙌 🙏 ✨️ ways of doing things the South 🇿🇦 way
I'm so happy for your wife bro now she is getting where you want her to be she will be true Winnie Mandela
The idea that Socialism shares wealth amongst everyone is just not true. Which example is there of this happening? China and Russia both have disparities in wealth for the people at the top and bottom. And these are supposed to be the best examples.
You also spoke about the fact that capitalists are okay with classism, if you look at, China. Russia (not going to include the failed states in attempt to be fair) there is also classism there so it's not an exclusively "capitalist" thing, it's a human nature thing.
There will never be absolute equality and anyone thinking there could be is not being honest there will always be an imbalance in wealth throughout history leaders acquired most of the wealth while the general population got what they could get from the leaders every empire and society operated like this. The idea of socialism is to reduce that gap to an acceptable level basically nobody gets left behind. What you fail to mention is that the poverty rate in Russia is less than 7% while in China it’s less than 2% in a country with over a billion people in it is a ridiculous feat, while in the USA it’s above 10% and rising and in the uk it’s above 20% so based on those numbers clearly one system is better suited to reduce the poverty rate and inequality as opposed to the other.
To respond to your second point like I said as well classism isn’t a bad thing I don’t mind classism based on value brought to society but classism based on race is bad which is something that needs to get fixed in this country
@SibuAndSphe Unfortunately those numbers are not really a good representation of something "working". The "poor" people in America are more well off than the poor people in China and Russia. Then there's also discrepancies on how those numbers are actually measured but we don't need to get into that. For example the poor people in SA are better off than the poor people in other African countries even though they all live under poverty. Which according to the logic it shouldn't be the case since we are so "unequal". Hence the poor people in other African countries will migrate to South Africa (the more "unequal" country) over their own country (which is more "equal")
@@SibuAndSphe Fair
I don’t agree that a poor person is more well off in the states than in China for example you need to look at other things like homeless rates, and starvation rates as well the us and uk have a higher percentage of people who are homeless and face food insecurity, so even though they may have more in terms of income that doesn’t mean they can afford to live in that country. Poor people in China can afford a roof over their heads and food while the states and uk not so much because socialist governments have policies in place to ensure even the poor live in dignity while capitalist governments don’t care about the poor.
It's time ⏲️ 🙌 to play ▶️ the piano 🎹 😄 on darker key 🔑 👌 🎶 😄 😀 🙂 better life FOR 🇿🇦 za
ANC-MK-EFF coalition
The rand won’t be too happy about this comment
@@SibuAndSphe I know, but that's better than allowing ourselves to be controlled by the white monopoly capital while we are told we're living in a democracy. I don't think all white people will run overseas. Just like in 1994. Racists...abahambe kahle. ANC-MK-EFF represents the same people in this country. We were liberated from them (DA people), we can't go back there, No!
We are happy about this comment 😅
@@SibuAndSpheleave the issue of the rand... Would we have ethical leadership?? Accountability and Consequence management?? Rule of law?? Qualify education?? ANC +MK + EFF is just ANC 2.0...status quo continues.... More poverty for us... More riches for politicians.... Collapse of RSA ... Too sad!!
That's basically ANC😅😅
The people's path is: ANC/MK/EFF Coalition - The ANC of old serving the majority
The ANC never served the majority, so it only makes sense that they come out of the closet and openly join the DA, who both only served the filthy rich.
At the end of the day, the anc loses ❤❤❤❤and that's good
But it’s important to consider who wins in all of this as well
great video, we might just wake up a new country without Cyril. Great background music though I'm worried won't this sound affect your monetisation?
Thank you 🙏🏾 the background music hasn’t affected our ability to monetise our videos. It’s low enough that TH-cam doesn’t pick up which song it is
Nice episode, Danko!
Danko!
😅 beautiful clip!
Ngl this is really stressing me I can't imagine life under ANC-DA😭
What's to worry about, Western Cape is run by DA, more people moving to Western Cape then moving away from the western cape. That should tell you a lot.