Thanks for all the feedback. I want to jump in and point out that this video isn't a criticism of Kanye or his newfound faith. I hope and pray he is truly on a journey that will culminate in the beatific vision. Watching Kanye's video and "service" inspired a deeper reflection on culture, for me, that I wanted to share. Whatever I'm critical of in this video, it is pop culture and not necessarily Kanye or his faith except in so far as he, as well as we in the Church, have tried to use pop culture, which is antithetical to Christian culture, to perpetuate the Gospel.
Promoting of Corporate Christianity. Commercial Christianity. New World Order-One World Order religion-political system. That's all that I see here. Even the host here has a corporate logo for his name. Look at the concert footage shown... The crowd is put into a hypnotic trace, waving their arms like passive zombies. And giving this Kanye now celebrity heaps of praise and credit. Blinded by high tech stage shows. How did the Witch get Cinderella to eat the poison? It was too easy, she just hid the poison in a pretty, shiny, sweet apple. Wow, the Devil, and his system of lies and temptations, has got so many of you right where he wants you. Enjoy your Apple (and the poison within it).
A good first step on your journey! He is God your loving Father. You will need to humbly repent of every sin of your life and become BAPTIZED with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You must continually die to yourself and let Christ live in you. Pray daily and read Gods Word. If you fall into sin, repent and confess, trusting always in God's mercy. Sin no more; he is calling you to holiness. I hope your journey leads you to the Catholic Church. Catholicism is the fullness of the Christian faith and offers the grace of the seven sacraments, most importantly the Holy Eucharist!!
@@AnnInFL No it's not. The disciples weren't catholics, they were simply Christians. To be Christian all you have to do is follow Jesus's teachings from the Bible.
Don't start that, in the US you live in a Christian dominant country where people lie, cheat, steal, and kill in the name of Jesus every day, and Kanye is just following in that tradition.
gisforgary We are Christians because we are not perfect. Christians do lie, steal, and cheat. We are mean. We can be violent. That is why we need God. We are human.
@@Gee-xb7rt I have never heard such a wretched lie from someone. Our country doesn't tolerate stealing, cheating, lying (at least non-politicians) or killing. The Bible condemns all of those things, I have no idea where you're getting that idea from but that's not the USA.
As a Catholic, I have come to believe that the only way forward is to go backwards, i.e. go back to how Catholicism was practiced before all of the modernist and progressive practices were incorporated into the Church. I would add a caveat to this that Catholics become will versed in both scripture and apologetics. Knowledge is very powerful, and if used properly, it can be used in a charitable way to help those who are lost in their ignorance of the truth. Logos is rising!!! .
Because what was before IS the Catholic Church and the Modernist sect of the Novus Ordo is not. The religion that was born from Vatican II was and is just another non-Catholic sect not unlike Anglicanism, or any other pseudo-Christian cult.
Roman Catholicism contaminated the true gospel. It brought in paganism, such as exalting Mary to divine status and praying to the dead for intercession when scripture clearly teaches that there is one mediator who is Jesus Christ. 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;' 1 Tim 2:5 The Catholic Church hold man's traditions above scripture and is the reason they forbid Bibles from being in the hands of the people and burnt bibles as well as shedding the blood of millions whom refused to renounce that Salvation was by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Your Are so right our Catholic Church has fallen in this pit called LETS BE MODERN and this is like saying “the church needs to change because we live in a modern world “ but if you think about it why did the Catholic Church change what it has thought for thousands and thousands of years ? Why did need to change the mass ? The Gregorian chants ? The use of vails and long skirts for women ? And the no longer use if Latin ? Why? Was the Holy Spirit incorrect all the past Consuls before Vatican two if god said heaven and earth shall pass but my words shall not pass . The Catholic Church is in a great illness . Let’s take a step back from Vatican two and we will see the great errors that our church leaders have done during Vatican two like praying to other gods ( Pacha Mama and praying with Muslims ) our church is in a state of war against god there is no respect for God anymore and more respect to Men
Alberto P Going back means going back to the traditional teachings of the CATHOLIC CHUCH like the Latin mass and the use of Latin and Gregorian chants , women wearing a vail and a long dress to church and the priest facing God in the Alter and not the people , communion in the mouth and not your hand because that’s what the Catholic Church HAD ALWAYS AND HAS BEEN TEACHING FOR EVER and Vatican two consul has take the tradition of the church now women can be priest and homosexual can be priest and anybody can come to church how ever they want , and receive GOD in their hands which is offending god
+Stevie Knight I contend that part of regarding Jesus properly as king is being a member of the church that He founded (barring invincible ignorance) which has been known for more than 1500 years as the Roman Catholic Church. Remember: extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
Its seems hes trying to start his own brand of christianity partial new testament partial new age or just believe and recieved same as if thou shalt confess and believe in your heart thou shalt be saved Romans 10:9
You know, your anti-Protestantism is so strong. It's ridiculous. Local Protestant churches are all in communion with each other (in that they let members take communion cross-denominations) so by that definition all Protestants also believe they are part of the 1 true universal church, not multiple churches. Multiple denominations.
This reflects a very weak understanding of Kanye West. Whatever he may be, Kanye is not shallow. His album uses a 5-1-5 format. The first 5 songs represent the struggles with conversion, ego, and frustration with critics. The middle song is the pivot mark, and the last 5 songs represent repentance, conversion and service to God. With that in mind, Kanye purposely used a recasted version of Carl Offs’ lamentation to express his own lamentation. Essentially, he is using it to open his first 5 songs of his act. Knowing this, it makes perfect sense that he would use this melody to open his concert. You make lots of solid points about modern pop culture, but you completely miss the fact that Kanye is different.
Still feels shallow to me. In comparison, let's say for exemple, to the lot more profound traditional songs present in the liturgy of Latin Mass: th-cam.com/video/nUOKmh5Ac4s/w-d-xo.html . Not that it's bad you know, but it's just ... not in the same level. It's S H A L L O W. Maybe your point of observation is not too broad. That's it.
The timeless, unique and Traditional Latin Mass of the Ages is greater than the protestant worldy anthems of Kanye West. He fits into the world. The Tradition of Christ's Church stands out! Sorry for my not good english, it is not first language of mine.
@@BobooShippy-qr7jy what really scares me is he has bought into some nonsense where he thinks he can boss people around, particularly said pornstar and his kids. Jesus and toxic masculinity aren't a good mix. I could write a whole essay on how because of his narcissism and mania he views himself as equal to Jesus, all his lyrics just fuel his ego. He's a new cult leader for the masses.
floyd brown interestingly enough Kanye has spoken against the porn industry and materialism and everything else he celebrated in the past. It’s almost as if Jesus could be changing him...
I have a degree in Liturgical Music (Catholic Faith) and I was really taken by this cd. I HATE RAP, always did, but this co-mingling of gospel and rap experience was excellent. I wouldn't use these compositions in our liturgies but these were very good pieces to listen to especially for our children today and I am also happy for him watching him on his spiritual journey.
Alot of people who “hate rap” only know a very specific set of sounds, mostly popular songs. There are very good hiphop music out there that not only have amazing lyricism, but also soulful music. Sadly these kind of hiphop songs are, as you expected, not very popular in the mainstream.
@@timsohn7057 Big difference in my perspective from hip hop to rap. In short, Rap is more about the poetry of words and word styles been around for generations whereas Hip Hop is more about the genre of music(beats).
But I think the most important thing here is that Kanye is effectively turning one massive demographic towards Christ. Let us not quibble about style in this age of real spiritual warfare.
This video, as Catholic culture has done for many centuries, divide people, belittle other's expression, and regards it's own as the only one and the best. Yes there are pros and cons with each culture. Kanye West Sunday Service has been a blessing to many. And to disregard that expression is belittle another one wanted to express their love for God. I have no problem of how the catholics express themselves. I have a problem when they see themselves superior and disregard others. Many do not want to go back to those period.
Wow! Almost everything you said just resonated with me a 100%! That was probably your best video I have watched so far, just with _everything_ ! I've saved it to watch it again and write down your points, they were so relevant and so, so good and true! Thank you for this video, I feel really overwhelmed with all those ways you opened my eyes and made my own feelings conscious! Also, I always tear up when I hear the music, this choral music you put underneath your video. ♡
I really like what you said about Multi-Culturalsim, it's accurate. I will bring up this point in my "Multi-Cultural Education" class I am required to take next semester. Another thought: Let us also not deny that God is using Kanye for the Kingdom and may we #prayforkanye to lead him home
An excellent critique on modern pop music and its connection to culture. Definitely using these arguments in the future. Curious about your take on more complex forms of music
Hi Brian Holdsworth, appreciate this take of yours. And praise God for his newfound faith. If I may say, there is a lecture video: The Heresy of Emotionalism by David Rodriguez. This might spell the difference and help you. God bless brother in Christ.
I think you’re dead wrong about the ostensible deficit of creativity in hip-hop just because it uses samples; there’s no less creativity in the purposeful use of sampling than in original writing. The example of O Fortuna admittedly is a good case of purposeless sampling, but fortunately Kanye’s proper discography is much more deliberate in its remixing of existing sources
I agree when relative to the whole of what culture we embrace - but relative to pop culture alone - I welcome the somewhat genuine feeling album from Kanye which echoes a lot of him waking up and realizing he will not be a mere slave to consumer culture but will instead do what is needed to protect his family through Christ
@leotube39 He has a lot to lose by doing this, there's no one else in Kanye's genre that's went against the grain like he has lately. Especially espousing conservative viewpoints and trying to break down the victim culture and the democrat-by-defualt black community.
@leotube39 Would you rather have Kanye serve God or serve the devil? Ask yourself if you're willing to pray for people like him to be filled by God's Spirit or if you'd rather rant about what they're doing wrong and think about how you can prove that their working against God. Just search your own heart on that. God bless you!
I think that the biggest point for me was not that it is pop culture, but that it is a figure with this large of a voice in culture speaking out against the things he has thus far been willing to tackle. Abortion...check....morality and the lack thereof... check, his failings and turning to Christ for the only solution worth having...double check. I agree if people are looking to him or anything like this for complete spiritual culture it will be far lacking, but that is not what I have observed. I have seen Christians of all backgrounds just breath a sigh of relief that there was a cultural respite on a large scale of someone being willing to take a start in taking a stand against the Satanic world. I feel a kinship to Kanye as a hopeful spiritual brother the same way I feel it toward you when I listen to you, I am starving for people who have faith, and I will continue to pray for more people to find it and take it where I can find it. Find joy where you can, upbuild as much as you can, stand for what is right without excuses but love your brothers where they are.
If you google who founded the Catholic Church it would historically trace back to St. Peter himself. Peter was appointed by Christ. Jesus truly founded the Catholic Church. Why follow a religion founded by a human, when you can follow the Church made by Christ himself :)
The pope is literally advocating for pagan idol worship in a Synod, but Kanye puts out a Christian rap album. I wonder which one is more worthy of criticism?
@Reactionary Hermit ah, yes. No Romanists have covered or even talked about Kanye West. And literal worship of pagan idols is just low-key bad; almost as bad as allowing married men to become priests!
I think the album speaks a lot of beautiful truths. I’m not suggesting for a moment that it should be played within churches but (and this is a very serious question that I would love your thoughts on), if Kanye’s profession of faith and his creation of music to announce and give effect to that faith is just pop culture and not relevant, then what is? I mean, what are you proposing here? Should Catholics just chill back and say they’re content with 1950s hymns and ignore modern professions of faith through music? Because if a song hits someone in the heart and professes that Jesus is Lord, isn’t that a good thing?
I mean 1500s hymns and everything in between. Don’t get me wrong - I think they’re beautiful and have a rightful place in mass for sure. I wouldn’t suggest we dispose of them but what about outside the tradition of the mass? We are losing young people like crazy and that’s for a multitude of reasons but music really speaks to people in a special way and I think we shouldn’t be leaving it up to other traditions of Christianity to provide that connection.
If you haven’t yet, you have to read Christopher Dawson. Also: A culture is a common way of life, by which a people adapts itself to the demands and possibilities of a place or region Keep up the good work!
The concept of attending a pop concert rather than going to Mass makes me rear up a little, but I suppose it’s a good thing he’s trying to express a faith in Christ. After all, those who aren’t against Him are with Him, right? Let’s just hope these concerts make people interested in a deeper participation in Christ’s story.
I think that we do have our own cultural music that for centuries was sung at our Masses and that is Gregorian chant. It is beautiful and easy to sing with a little practice. We attend a Latin Mass that has Gregorian chant sung by a 20ish young man that is solemn and worshipful. I'm in my 70s and as a teen sang in a church choir that sung Gregorian chant, but at the time didn't realize that's what it was! Now when he sings the Gloria, Credo,etc. I can almost sing along with him. This may be one thing he doesn't get. I also wonder if after his first flush of conversion, if he'll stay with it as the pop culture can be so deceiving.
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit. Bringing an album to the public eye with the title "Jesus is King" is undoubtedly a power move by the Holy Spirit. Regardless of its content, Jesus is King has shaken up old and current Christians. It brings Jesus into people's lives that perhaps haven't felt his comforting grave before. The truth finds it's way out through the shadows, and in this case it's an enormous spotlight. This is something to be celebrated.
Kanye West seems to be on fire with the Holy Spirit. However, to safely fan the flames and to ensure the fire doesn't go out a fireplace is needed. Our 'fireplace' is the Catholic Church, the source of the fullness of the Truth with the Sacraments providing Sanctifying Graces.. I pray that Kanye is called into the Catholic Faith.
The challenge is capturing the next generation. I say this as a non Catholic but it’s the same dilemma. Churches are using contemporary music to draw people in. It can be used as a great tool but it’s a mistake to think of it as a one size fits all. Many of the elderly are not used to this type of music nor is everyone spiritually quenched. My soul is far more stirred by listening to Byzantine chants than by listening to Hillsong. I think there has to be room for both, truth can be communicated via several mechanisms
Just subscribed. Truly well presented, thoroughly thought out arguments/analysis of current society. I've rarely heard truth/common sense discussed like this in such a logical and meaningful way. This is an editorial that should run on the front page of every newspaper/newsource in America. Imagine the impact this would have with millenials as a source of discussion on the root causes of the current destruction of world cultures. Really well done........
Prof. Liantinis said about us Greeks not producing culture anymore: "We don't have an identity anymore. We are neither horses nor donkeys, we are mules. And mules don't give birth.."
Changes happen at the bottom...Kanye went all the way down to the bottom of pop culture. In his song "Jesus is" he says: To all my demons, let them know This is a misson, not a show. You should check out Jonathan Pageau's interpretation...its brilliant.
In some of the past videos, he's played the Kyrie from the missa Orbus factor. But in this video it isn't Gregorian chant, but it still is beautiful. He provided a link to the composer at the beginning of the info description.
If there is one thing I think my parents gave me, it was a Christian culture. Every Sunday we would go to Mass and we all would sing. They even sang in the choir for Midnight Mass at our church. They sang well, and they taught me to sing well and to love singing. They loved it. They also loved the St. Louis Jesuits and John Michael Talbot and other singers of the post-Vatican II era. My parents taught me to love Jesus and the Church through them. It is a culture for me, not a third-rate pop sensation. I do express my joy and my sorrows through their music, as do many other Catholics the world over. Not just ones who go to church Easter and Sunday, weekly attendees. There is a flip side to what Mr. Holdsworth has said. People consume music as naturally as they create it. Whatever you listen to becomes the culture you are inculturated into. The St. Louis Jesuits and the Dameans and other singers from the post-conciliar period created a culture of which I am a part. It will be sad to see it die in the face of growing regressivism among my fellow Catholics. But my culture is not so important to me as my religion - my relationship to God, through whatever expressions I use. I feel for the Welshman whose parents spoke Welsh to him as a child, but who only thinks it in his heart while he teaches his children English.
Yes. This is a beautiful and on-point synopsis on what is happening in our culture. The confusion and ignorance it’s drowning itself in due to a lack of having God as the focus, yet still grasping for love and acceptance, when God already does love and accept us, which is why he gave us rules to live by and traditions to follow, so through Him we could come together by loving one another.
I am Catholic and glad that Kanye isn't shamed to mention Jesus in his music which is rare in pop music esp. in today's "woke" socio-political climate. I may not be a fan his denominational background (or if he's leading or starting a new one) but this album is amazing.
Definitely not a Catholic, but I'm always encouraged when I find Catholics with whom I can agree on a great many ideas. I realize that within the greater umbrella of "Catholicism", there are a vast number of paradigms. I guess I just can't understand how anyone could hold to doctrines like apostolic succession and several others that are expounded within the dogma. None-the-less, I'm always down to love Jesus with others (whether or not they agree with me on everything)....to love Him via praise music, or via intellectual inquiry, or via service to His other creatures. Brand new to your channel, Brian, but I think I'll stick around.
So insightful Brian. I so appreciate your honest questions. I would even go as far as say, let's get back to Jesus and the pure, simplified Gospel. Let's identify with what Jesus did on the cross, not our religion, Lutheran, Catholic, Pentecostal......I subscribed to your channel.
Entropy is a word we could apply to 21st century man. As a philosopher, you should look into how it is affecting us. I think you believe as I do that a restoration of traditional Catholic values and liturgy is the only way to live well, with integrity.
I won't criticize Kanye because often our zeal and first steps are spiritually immature, or a lot about self. Rare is the Christian who goes from world to Saint immediately. That being said, I ultimately agree with you. It is sad that so many Catholics are ready to leave sacred tradition and Catholic identity for "relevance." I am turning to Catholicsm partly because I am sick of modern relativism and seek Truth in sacred tradition. We humans like to be part of the "in crowd" and compromise to get there. The Bible says we are a peculiar people. I wish Kanye well and pray that he grows deeply in the Faith.
This is not a service this is a show and since Christianity has become so frowned on for so long people have forgotten about it, it's a very good career move in the entertainment industry, he is leading the pack. Resurrect the old religion with old music and new lyrics and look at the crowd you can pull in. The term 'wolf in sheep's clothing' springs to mind. All in white clothing reminds me of another musician setting up a cult to much enthusiasm from his mindless followers (Jared Leto, don't know much other than some very strange footage I saw on SM). Instant conversions are rarely sincere, especially not at crowd level unless we are talking about a cult and people who are predisposed to fall into cults. It costs a lot of money to set up those concerts and he certainly knows about marketing and playing to the crowd. New-found religion can be very profitable as the large venues and performances at mega churches and cults over time have shown.
God will use whoever He chooses to spread the Gospel and if the Pope doesn’t want to evangelize and is ok with idol worship than God will bring people to His Son in His own way. Kanye seems to be having a true conversion and is doing more to bring people to Our Lord Jesus Christ than our Pope. God uses the foolish to confound the wise. Kanye has people professing Jesus is King. His lyrics use sound doctrine. He does have a bible believing pastor at his Sunday service. Check out LA and Detroit sermons. Jesus is our first priority. Let God’s Holy Will Be done. Pray the Catholic Church will be there as this generation turns to Christ and will eventually find the fullness of faith. Praise the Name above all names Jesus Christ.
I do not know how people have not noticed that the trends are all hand-picked to dismantle over ti.e everything that makes us human and our identity therein. I mean this in regards to the direction of the popular culture.
I see a lot of judgement here. We cannot know what is an another person’s heart for one. And then to claim that the pattern with most rock bands is to get along long enough, and keep each other away from drugs long enough to be successful before you break up? Really, is that the pettiness we’re going with
Yikes. Music is business. We have to be aware of business practices that shape and direct the artists that are presented to us by the music industry. It's a long, involved discussion.
I have no idea what Kanye is doing musically. I don’t listen to it. However he is bringing people to the word and making it more acceptable for young people within their social structure to be a Christian and worship God. That has to be a good thing.
Dear Brian, Thank you what you're saying here is so true. We need the Holy Spirit more than ever...my husband and I are working on a Sacred Music Album right now which will be a cappella and more contemplative. Come Holy Spirit!🙏🏻🕊🔥🎼 God bless you! Greetings in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Angèle
I agree with most of what you said in this video. The main hypothesis does not seem to be clear. It seems like the video should be titled, “Even Christian pop culture should not be considered culture.” I am a big fan of Kanye’s new album, and I support any art that praises God truthfully, beautifully, and well. It’s a great point about not letting pop culture be a substitute for true culture. What amount of affection and time to even the best of pop culture is proper?
I have been looking for an informed appraisal of this new album. I am glad that, since West has the freedom and money to express anything, he would choose to express this instead of materialism/consumerism. All the same, like smartphones and social media, I am reluctant to buy into too quickly, if for no other reason than that so many people have bought it wholesale, without pausing to see if they should, or what the consequences will be. A tree is known by its fruit.. I am no rejecting it at all. I just want to see what the fruit of it will be. Brian here opens by saying how exciting an genuine and moving West's new album is... And then he spends the whole rest of the video exposing our broken pop-anti-culture. I agree... So the new album is good..... but it's also bad?
Matthew Bateman it is bad because Brian outlines how it misused the Lamentation piece. But it’s good in how it’s a sort of cry for help. Kanye and everyone consuming his media knows something better is out there, something beyond our imaginations. The pop music is a limitation on that, an obstacle bought from capitalists. What we should take from Kanye is an understanding that God is still there and our cultures can be reclaimed. We need only cease to be consumerists. The culture will be restored naturally if we only keep ourselves from being sold an artificial culture.
I can relate to much of what you said. I once came across a chant Christmas CD that included Victimae Paschali. The chant was beautifully sung but they obviously did not know Latin or the history of this Sequence. I emailed them and informed them of their error. Hopefully modern man will learn to go beyond the beauty of Catholic Culture and actually engage themselves with the message that goes with it. I also am hopeful and praying for Kanye in his journey.
On the day of Pentecost, the Disciple of Jesus Christ were told they have lost their mind whenThe HOLY SPIRIT fall on them. If Kanye have lost his mind by finding JESUS CHRIST So do I. There are a lot of us that have found JESUS CHRIST. I promise you we are in a better place. Even if we walk alone with JESUS CHRIST we are fine. Join us or leave us alone. We are soldiers of JESUS CHRIST. jezebel don't stand a chance.
First: There is more than one path to God. If Kanye's music brings people closed to God that is a positive. Second: Art has always been driven by a market. The great works of the renaissance were created through the patronage of princes and bishops who wanted to show their power and wealth.
Dear Brian, I'm afraid, this time I can't agree to your video as much as usually. My mother toung is German (from Austria). Yes, in past centuries our culture here contributed a lot to church music. Eg. Mozart's or Haydn's masses. Or the Christmas carol Stille Nacht = Silent Night among others. But since the 20th century, there came the gospels, Taizé chants, phantastic church songs, which combine music and deep lyrics, resulting in musical prayer and adoration and praise. Recently, many songs of groups like Hillong outperform profane pop by far! So, am I more optimistic than you in this aspect or didn't I get your point correctly? (But I do admit hating 'Jingle Bells', which will contaminate Austria's warehouses like every year soon.) :-) New comment: sorry, now after watching parts of a Kanye West Sunday service, I agree that this kind of christian service is rather an expression of African tribal culture than anything else.
Martin Ripka As an African Catholic , I am puzzled by your reference to African tribal culture . What do you mean? Anyway it is not a perfect Church event but I saw videos of young people expressing interest in Church because of it. One even said he is now more open minded. This is a very good thing God can build on. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water
Why as a catholic christian it’s so hard for us to celebrate someone, especially if God’s prodigal son came back to God. You expect him to be Saint immediately. Let him start from where he is and then maybe he will come to Catholicism. I can’t stand box thinking, boring to listen.
My personal opinion is that in order to have a "shared experience" we need to rediscover what it means to be Catholics and Christians. It seems to me that many people do not know, or have fallen asleep to what it means, and there are all kinds of factions going in different directions. We need to remember that we are the 72 that Christ set forth to spread his message, and isn't that exciting, risky, edgy, countercultural and dangerous? It was for them, surely, and it is for us, just in a different way. I think our expressions of what it means to be a Christian and have Christ as our Savior will grow out of our redefinition of who we are, but we are struggling to find ourselves in these times.
This was pretty interesting. But at 9:27 you say "you can't have a plurality of culture and expect that some sort of singular culture will emerge out of that" but that is precisely what American culture is. We are the melting pot and the reason we are is specifically for the purpose of engineering a cultural container that will hold all of the world's people under one roof. This country was designed that way from the very beginning, on purpose. There has never been any other way in this country. What you need to understand is that this is Freemason culture, and the melting pot is a specific part of it. th-cam.com/video/-31Zf2297ZI/w-d-xo.html
This was definitely a good analysis of the current moment. However, in this day and age of severe secularism, it does make me happy that someone like Kanye is willing to put christ at the center of his work, even if it meant a lot of his fans criticize him for it.
I think the big reason the christian faith in all denominations is hurting is because as a whole, we don't teach our kids why they should believe, we just teach them what to believe. We're not establishing a firm foundation, so when they grow up and move off of their parent's foundation, their's crumbles because it's built on sand.
Peter Kreeft in his _Snakebite Letters_ says, through his devil viewpoint character, the reason there are so many limp wristed liturgies is because we have so many limp wristed liturgists. Unmanly, "nice people" have dominated Catholic hymn writing for decades. Two days ago, I attended a daily Mass that was part of the parishes school celebration, but the result was an ear grating, minor key experience of songs chosen for maximum dippiness that maybe only 40 some badly lead and practiced kids sang. Thank God, the actual liturgy was orthodox and the homily relevant
Brian I think you're letting your hate for pop culture to cloud your judgment. Why can't we as the body of Christ be glad our brother Kanye, who was consumed by the evil forces of pop culture, is using his talent to spread the Good News by using the very pop culture? Please let's stop spreading hate amongst ourselves. Let's pray for our brothers and sisters instead.
Not saying it is but it is very possible that this kanye phenomenon could be a ploy to co opt the massive movement of the youth returning to traditional Christianity
Rap and Hip Hop comes from a place of desperation not consumerism the market has made it that for sure. It went from intercity parties to talking about real issues in the inner city. Yes often with vulgar language. It’s an expression of what many had to work with. It’s a shared experience that’s lost it’s meaning in the mainstream consumer market.
This is one of the finest videos I've ever seen on U-Tube. I am not Christian, no 'motivation' there. It is I think an overly intellectualized expression of culture that plagues us. Trying to disentangle everything social from a 'culture' is not possible. The narrator is right. Culture cannot be created or sustained intellectually. And human beings need it, they need it because they ARE human. A culture is a very basic human need. It is not a fearful vulnerability. I think some folks may construe a percieved perceived vulnerability as some lack of control; and for people - there is nothing worse than that. 'Culture' is a fundamental emotional cohesion that cannot be 'reasoned' away. And for me, a faith means really just this, it need not be an abrogation of any kind. It's not intellectual suicide. It's just a human need. Some people maybe are truly afraid to be human. Why is there then this adversarial relationship with our minds, and being a human being ? Cuture is an emotional human expression not an intellectual one. Pitting our humanness against our our minds will always be a loss - it's been nothing but frustration so far. Small wonder then why a 'free economy' would go after it with such gusto, it's really just a big pile of money sitting right there. Best vid I seen in ages. Wonderful thank you.
Brian Holdsworth your talking about the village again.:) With our Priest we talk about restoring the Catholic neighborhood. Bring back guilds so fathers can teach their sons. We talk about being of the same mind speaking the same thing, affirming one another backing one another up so our children aren't confused about what God wants from His People. We need an inoculation of the True Catholic culture it's time for the laity to restore the church.
Hmmm 🤔 so much here. Hope this makes sense... Id like to be part of a catholic artist culture. If anyone knows where to find one I’d be grateful... Making media/entertainment/art that honors God and honors women, shows true wholesome romance, messing up and starting again, adulting etc. There’s really so much that could be explored. I think we could use more of those kinds of songs, movies, short stories, novels etc... I don’t think enough of Catholic Christian culture is shown by any means. I think that makes people doubt it. But also the other side is actually having it in the world living and breathing and growing. Mary pray for us. Jesus guide us. I think your thoughts are interesting and that you have a lot that could be fleshed out and articulated even more. Hope you do a part 2 or a follow up of some sort.
If you read his lyrics, & listen to his intes, there is nothing that does not praise God. He is bring much needed attention to God from the youth culture, & I don't know of another person of his stature that can do it, not even Gaga...whom is straight demonic Btw, Catholics are not Christians.
Jesus Christ is the only one God we have to follow in order to be saved and (he is only One spirit i.e Father made flesh i.e son) They ( catholics and other so called christians culs ) have to come out of here ( babylon the great) Jeremiah 51 v I will punish Bel in Babylon. I will make him spew out what he swallowed. The nations will no longer stream to him; even the wall of Babylon will fall. 45Come out from among her, My people! Save your lives, each of you, from the fierce anger of the LORD. John 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. God is One Spirit made flesh in Christ ===> Ephesians 4 the person of God is Jésus Christ. The Spirit of God is Christ spirit : Romans 8 v 9 Catholics have a triune God ====> Rev 16 v 13 so they are no disiciples of Christ, they just follow traditions of men, the culture
Thanks for all the feedback. I want to jump in and point out that this video isn't a criticism of Kanye or his newfound faith. I hope and pray he is truly on a journey that will culminate in the beatific vision. Watching Kanye's video and "service" inspired a deeper reflection on culture, for me, that I wanted to share. Whatever I'm critical of in this video, it is pop culture and not necessarily Kanye or his faith except in so far as he, as well as we in the Church, have tried to use pop culture, which is antithetical to Christian culture, to perpetuate the Gospel.
@@joshh.2541 Thanks. I did take them on a little in this video: th-cam.com/video/HkqPjxp2Ltw/w-d-xo.html
Oh I see ! Thanks for the clarification. I was like ???? After watching the video. Until I read your above note
better than the pervert infested vatican with men in dresses
Promoting of Corporate Christianity. Commercial Christianity. New World Order-One World Order religion-political system. That's all that I see here. Even the host here has a corporate logo for his name.
Look at the concert footage shown... The crowd is put into a hypnotic trace, waving their arms like passive zombies. And giving this Kanye now celebrity heaps of praise and credit. Blinded by high tech stage shows.
How did the Witch get Cinderella to eat the poison? It was too easy, she just hid the poison in a pretty, shiny, sweet apple.
Wow, the Devil, and his system of lies and temptations, has got so many of you right where he wants you. Enjoy your Apple (and the poison within it).
@@montag4516 what do you think Trump's Pastor Paula White does? It's the same thing.
Yesterday I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour!
Congratulations. I hope that you live your faith and enter into the fullness of the Mystical Body.
A good first step on your journey! He is God your loving Father. You will need to humbly repent of every sin of your life and become BAPTIZED with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You must continually die to yourself and let Christ live in you. Pray daily and read Gods Word. If you fall into sin, repent and confess, trusting always in God's mercy. Sin no more; he is calling you to holiness.
I hope your journey leads you to the Catholic Church. Catholicism is the fullness of the Christian faith and offers the grace of the seven sacraments, most importantly the Holy Eucharist!!
Well said ..like all, we are bros in the blood of Messiah and that centers and unites us always.
Be diligent because you will immediately be tested. God Bless ✝
@@AnnInFL No it's not. The disciples weren't catholics, they were simply Christians. To be Christian all you have to do is follow Jesus's teachings from the Bible.
I hope he uses his fame to bring Christ to the modern society which has shunned and even fight against God.
Don't start that, in the US you live in a Christian dominant country where people lie, cheat, steal, and kill in the name of Jesus every day, and Kanye is just following in that tradition.
gisforgary We are Christians because we are not perfect. Christians do lie, steal, and cheat. We are mean. We can be violent. That is why we need God. We are human.
@@Gee-xb7rt I have never heard such a wretched lie from someone. Our country doesn't tolerate stealing, cheating, lying (at least non-politicians) or killing. The Bible condemns all of those things, I have no idea where you're getting that idea from but that's not the USA.
@@mcmann7149 lol, ok, go back to FOX News, white boy.
@@Gee-xb7rt I'm a Filipino Catholic and don't watch cable but ok
As a Catholic, I have come to believe that the only way forward is to go backwards, i.e. go back to how Catholicism was practiced before all of the modernist and progressive practices were incorporated into the Church. I would add a caveat to this that Catholics become will versed in both scripture and apologetics. Knowledge is very powerful, and if used properly, it can be used in a charitable way to help those who are lost in their ignorance of the truth. Logos is rising!!!
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Amen!
Because what was before IS the Catholic Church and the Modernist sect of the Novus Ordo is not. The religion that was born from Vatican II was and is just another non-Catholic sect not unlike Anglicanism, or any other pseudo-Christian cult.
Roman Catholicism contaminated the true gospel. It brought in paganism, such as exalting Mary to divine status and praying to the dead for intercession when scripture clearly teaches that there is one mediator who is Jesus Christ.
'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;' 1 Tim 2:5
The Catholic Church hold man's traditions above scripture and is the reason they forbid Bibles from being in the hands of the people and burnt bibles as well as shedding the blood of millions whom refused to renounce that Salvation was by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Your Are so right our Catholic Church has fallen in this pit called LETS BE MODERN and this is like saying “the church needs to change because we live in a modern world “ but if you think about it why did the Catholic Church change what it has thought for thousands and thousands of years ? Why did need to change the mass ? The Gregorian chants ? The use of vails and long skirts for women ? And the no longer use if Latin ? Why? Was the Holy Spirit incorrect all the past Consuls before Vatican two if god said heaven and earth shall pass but my words shall not pass . The Catholic Church is in a great illness . Let’s take a step back from Vatican two and we will see the great errors that our church leaders have done during Vatican two like praying to other gods ( Pacha Mama and praying with Muslims ) our church is in a state of war against god there is no respect for God anymore and more respect to Men
Alberto P Going back means going back to the traditional teachings of the CATHOLIC CHUCH like the Latin mass and the use of Latin and Gregorian chants , women wearing a vail and a long dress to church and the priest facing God in the Alter and not the people , communion in the mouth and not your hand because that’s what the Catholic Church HAD ALWAYS AND HAS BEEN TEACHING FOR EVER and Vatican two consul has take the tradition of the church now women can be priest and homosexual can be priest and anybody can come to church how ever they want , and receive GOD in their hands which is offending god
I've been waiting for a Catholic commentary on Kanye. Thanks for this!
We're Catholic bro.. True Apostolic Church
I’m entering the Catholic Church in April. Vive Cristo Rey!!
The bottom line for each of us, regardless of denomination, is whether or not “Jesus is King” in each of our lives.
@cgwworldministries What do you mean with "popular church"?
+Stevie Knight I contend that part of regarding Jesus properly as king is being a member of the church that He founded (barring invincible ignorance) which has been known for more than 1500 years as the Roman Catholic Church. Remember: extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
Jesus founded a chruch for us.
Love your channel...Ave Maria. One broken Catholic returning to the fold after 35 years of adoring pop culture and having mind/soul crushed by it.
Let's just hope Kanye doesn't start YET another protestant Church with him at the center.
Its seems hes trying to start his own brand of christianity partial new testament partial new age or just believe and recieved same as if thou shalt confess and believe in your heart thou shalt be saved Romans 10:9
The thing is, that's no problem for modern Protestantism
better than the pervert infested catholics with men in dresses
@@P4yn3 Catholics are Christians by right
You know, your anti-Protestantism is so strong. It's ridiculous. Local Protestant churches are all in communion with each other (in that they let members take communion cross-denominations) so by that definition all Protestants also believe they are part of the 1 true universal church, not multiple churches. Multiple denominations.
This reflects a very
weak understanding of Kanye West. Whatever he may be, Kanye is not shallow.
His album uses a 5-1-5 format. The first 5 songs represent the struggles with conversion, ego, and frustration with critics. The middle song is the pivot mark, and the last 5 songs represent repentance, conversion and service to God. With that in mind, Kanye purposely used a recasted version of Carl Offs’ lamentation to express his own lamentation.
Essentially, he is using it to open his first 5 songs of his act.
Knowing this, it makes perfect sense that he would use this melody to open his concert.
You make lots of solid points about modern pop culture, but you completely miss the fact that Kanye is different.
Still feels shallow to me. In comparison, let's say for exemple, to the lot more profound traditional songs present in the liturgy of Latin Mass:
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Not that it's bad you know, but it's just ... not in the same level. It's S H A L L O W.
Maybe your point of observation is not too broad. That's it.
The timeless, unique and Traditional Latin Mass of the Ages is greater than the protestant worldy anthems of Kanye West. He fits into the world. The Tradition of Christ's Church stands out!
Sorry for my not good english, it is not first language of mine.
@@BobooShippy-qr7jy what really scares me is he has bought into some nonsense where he thinks he can boss people around, particularly said pornstar and his kids. Jesus and toxic masculinity aren't a good mix. I could write a whole essay on how because of his narcissism and mania he views himself as equal to Jesus, all his lyrics just fuel his ego. He's a new cult leader for the masses.
floyd brown interestingly enough Kanye has spoken against the porn industry and materialism and everything else he celebrated in the past. It’s almost as if Jesus could be changing him...
#yeforthekingdom
I got chills when I saw a clip of Estonian Song Celebration 8:42 because Im from Estonia and this event is very meaningful for us! Love your videos
An atheistic country, yes?
@@timothyfreeman97 Sadly yes, today Estonia is known as one of the "least religious" countries.
@@brntchikinnugget what were the people singing?
@@MichaelMarshall8686 "Mu isamaa on minu arm" ("My Fatherland is My Love" in Eng)
I have a degree in Liturgical Music (Catholic Faith) and I was really taken by this cd. I HATE RAP, always did, but this co-mingling of gospel and rap experience was excellent. I wouldn't use these compositions in our liturgies but these were very good pieces to listen to especially for our children today and I am also happy for him watching him on his spiritual journey.
Regina Pontes this! Yes yes so much yes
Alot of people who “hate rap” only know a very specific set of sounds, mostly popular songs. There are very good hiphop music out there that not only have amazing lyricism, but also soulful music. Sadly these kind of hiphop songs are, as you expected, not very popular in the mainstream.
@@timsohn7057 Big difference in my perspective from hip hop to rap. In short, Rap is more about the poetry of words and word styles been around for generations whereas Hip Hop is more about the genre of music(beats).
have u read quran regina
@@lufayoubhopes8997 quran? That's the Mohammedan book. Full of errors, lies and deceit.
My prayers will rise for Kanye.
But I think the most important thing here is that Kanye is effectively turning one massive demographic towards Christ. Let us not quibble about style in this age of real spiritual warfare.
This video, as Catholic culture has done for many centuries, divide people, belittle other's expression, and regards it's own as the only one and the best.
Yes there are pros and cons with each culture.
Kanye West Sunday Service has been a blessing to many. And to disregard that expression is belittle another one wanted to express their love for God.
I have no problem of how the catholics express themselves. I have a problem when they see themselves superior and disregard others. Many do not want to go back to those period.
Wow! Almost everything you said just resonated with me a 100%! That was probably your best video I have watched so far, just with _everything_ !
I've saved it to watch it again and write down your points, they were so relevant and so, so good and true!
Thank you for this video, I feel really overwhelmed with all those ways you opened my eyes and made my own feelings conscious!
Also, I always tear up when I hear the music, this choral music you put underneath your video. ♡
I really like what you said about Multi-Culturalsim, it's accurate. I will bring up this point in my "Multi-Cultural Education" class I am required to take next semester. Another thought: Let us also not deny that God is using Kanye for the Kingdom and may we #prayforkanye to lead him home
Keep doing what you're doing Brian!
An excellent critique on modern pop music and its connection to culture. Definitely using these arguments in the future. Curious about your take on more complex forms of music
Hi Brian Holdsworth, appreciate this take of yours. And praise God for his newfound faith. If I may say, there is a lecture video: The Heresy of Emotionalism by David Rodriguez. This might spell the difference and help you. God bless brother in Christ.
I think you’re dead wrong about the ostensible deficit of creativity in hip-hop just because it uses samples; there’s no less creativity in the purposeful use of sampling than in original writing. The example of O Fortuna admittedly is a good case of purposeless sampling, but fortunately Kanye’s proper discography is much more deliberate in its remixing of existing sources
I totally agree! The depth of musical creativity is not determined by the type of music.
Brian is dead wrong about a lot of things, but he would never admit it. Brian is Brian's greatest fan
I agree when relative to the whole of what culture we embrace - but relative to pop culture alone - I welcome the somewhat genuine feeling album from Kanye which echoes a lot of him waking up and realizing he will not be a mere slave to consumer culture but will instead do what is needed to protect his family through Christ
He is selling 300. sweatshirts, please, he IS consumer culture.
@leotube39 He has a lot to lose by doing this, there's no one else in Kanye's genre that's went against the grain like he has lately. Especially espousing conservative viewpoints and trying to break down the victim culture and the democrat-by-defualt black community.
@leotube39 Would you rather have Kanye serve God or serve the devil? Ask yourself if you're willing to pray for people like him to be filled by God's Spirit or if you'd rather rant about what they're doing wrong and think about how you can prove that their working against God. Just search your own heart on that.
God bless you!
Brilliant commentary..
This must be shared with as any people as possible.
I think that the biggest point for me was not that it is pop culture, but that it is a figure with this large of a voice in culture speaking out against the things he has thus far been willing to tackle. Abortion...check....morality and the lack thereof... check, his failings and turning to Christ for the only solution worth having...double check. I agree if people are looking to him or anything like this for complete spiritual culture it will be far lacking, but that is not what I have observed. I have seen Christians of all backgrounds just breath a sigh of relief that there was a cultural respite on a large scale of someone being willing to take a start in taking a stand against the Satanic world. I feel a kinship to Kanye as a hopeful spiritual brother the same way I feel it toward you when I listen to you, I am starving for people who have faith, and I will continue to pray for more people to find it and take it where I can find it. Find joy where you can, upbuild as much as you can, stand for what is right without excuses but love your brothers where they are.
You’re 👏 awesome “we don’t even know what we’re consuming anymore”
If you google who founded the Catholic Church it would historically trace back to St. Peter himself. Peter was appointed by Christ. Jesus truly founded the Catholic Church. Why follow a religion founded by a human, when you can follow the Church made by Christ himself :)
The pope is literally advocating for pagan idol worship in a Synod, but Kanye puts out a Christian rap album.
I wonder which one is more worthy of criticism?
@Boscos_box except for Brian, apparently. I haven't seen a video about the pachamama idols.
@Reactionary Hermit ah, yes. No Romanists have covered or even talked about Kanye West. And literal worship of pagan idols is just low-key bad; almost as bad as allowing married men to become priests!
I think the album speaks a lot of beautiful truths. I’m not suggesting for a moment that it should be played within churches but (and this is a very serious question that I would love your thoughts on), if Kanye’s profession of faith and his creation of music to announce and give effect to that faith is just pop culture and not relevant, then what is? I mean, what are you proposing here? Should Catholics just chill back and say they’re content with 1950s hymns and ignore modern professions of faith through music? Because if a song hits someone in the heart and professes that Jesus is Lord, isn’t that a good thing?
Did you mean 1500s hymns?
I mean 1500s hymns and everything in between. Don’t get me wrong - I think they’re beautiful and have a rightful place in mass for sure. I wouldn’t suggest we dispose of them but what about outside the tradition of the mass? We are losing young people like crazy and that’s for a multitude of reasons but music really speaks to people in a special way and I think we shouldn’t be leaving it up to other traditions of Christianity to provide that connection.
thank you good sir, keep going with your teaching. it is needed. God is GOOD :)
If you haven’t yet, you have to read Christopher Dawson.
Also:
A culture is a common way of life, by which a people adapts itself to the demands and possibilities of a place or region
Keep up the good work!
The concept of attending a pop concert rather than going to Mass makes me rear up a little, but I suppose it’s a good thing he’s trying to express a faith in Christ. After all, those who aren’t against Him are with Him, right? Let’s just hope these concerts make people interested in a deeper participation in Christ’s story.
Agreed
One of your most passionate yet well-reasoned presentations yet. Well spoken!
I think that we do have our own cultural music that for centuries was sung at our Masses and that is Gregorian chant. It is beautiful and easy to sing with a little practice. We attend a Latin Mass that has Gregorian chant sung by a 20ish young man that is solemn and worshipful. I'm in my 70s and as a teen sang in a church choir that sung Gregorian chant, but at the time didn't realize that's what it was! Now when he sings the Gloria, Credo,etc. I can almost sing along with him. This may be one thing he doesn't get. I also wonder if after his first flush of conversion, if he'll stay with it as the pop culture can be so deceiving.
we're starving for the holy spirit and truth.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
Bringing an album to the public eye with the title "Jesus is King" is undoubtedly a power move by the Holy Spirit. Regardless of its content, Jesus is King has shaken up old and current Christians. It brings Jesus into people's lives that perhaps haven't felt his comforting grave before. The truth finds it's way out through the shadows, and in this case it's an enormous spotlight. This is something to be celebrated.
That was excellent my brother
have u read quran
Thank you for sharing your balanced perspective, it’s much appreciated
TLM WE WANT OUR LATIN MASS BACK !1 FAST
Kanye West seems to be on fire with the Holy Spirit. However, to safely fan the flames and to ensure the fire doesn't go out a fireplace is needed. Our 'fireplace' is the Catholic Church, the source of the fullness of the Truth with the Sacraments providing Sanctifying Graces.. I pray that Kanye is called into the Catholic Faith.
The challenge is capturing the next generation. I say this as a non Catholic but it’s the same dilemma. Churches are using contemporary music to draw people in. It can be used as a great tool but it’s a mistake to think of it as a one size fits all. Many of the elderly are not used to this type of music nor is everyone spiritually quenched. My soul is far more stirred by listening to Byzantine chants than by listening to Hillsong. I think there has to be room for both, truth can be communicated via several mechanisms
Just subscribed. Truly well presented, thoroughly thought out arguments/analysis of current society. I've rarely heard truth/common sense discussed like this in such a logical and meaningful way. This is an editorial that should run on the front page of every newspaper/newsource in America. Imagine the impact this would have with millenials as a source of discussion on the root causes of the current destruction of world cultures. Really well done........
Pop Culture has become an idol to many people.
You are really gifted. You are one of God;s anointed to spread all His truth. Praise be to God.
These are very important themes in our times.
Prof. Liantinis said about us Greeks not producing culture anymore: "We don't have an identity anymore. We are neither horses nor donkeys, we are mules. And mules don't give birth.."
Changes happen at the bottom...Kanye went all the way down to the bottom of pop culture. In his song "Jesus is" he says:
To all my demons, let them know
This is a misson, not a show.
You should check out Jonathan Pageau's interpretation...its brilliant.
Where do you get the Gregorian chants for your videos? I love them and they sound so unique
In some of the past videos, he's played the Kyrie from the missa Orbus factor. But in this video it isn't Gregorian chant, but it still is beautiful. He provided a link to the composer at the beginning of the info description.
He's playing Miserere mei Deus by Allegeri
lebohang jeffrey moramotse No
Emily Spieker There is no gregorian chant whatsoever in this video
If there is one thing I think my parents gave me, it was a Christian culture. Every Sunday we would go to Mass and we all would sing. They even sang in the choir for Midnight Mass at our church. They sang well, and they taught me to sing well and to love singing. They loved it.
They also loved the St. Louis Jesuits and John Michael Talbot and other singers of the post-Vatican II era. My parents taught me to love Jesus and the Church through them. It is a culture for me, not a third-rate pop sensation. I do express my joy and my sorrows through their music, as do many other Catholics the world over. Not just ones who go to church Easter and Sunday, weekly attendees.
There is a flip side to what Mr. Holdsworth has said. People consume music as naturally as they create it. Whatever you listen to becomes the culture you are inculturated into. The St. Louis Jesuits and the Dameans and other singers from the post-conciliar period created a culture of which I am a part. It will be sad to see it die in the face of growing regressivism among my fellow Catholics. But my culture is not so important to me as my religion - my relationship to God, through whatever expressions I use.
I feel for the Welshman whose parents spoke Welsh to him as a child, but who only thinks it in his heart while he teaches his children English.
Yes. This is a beautiful and on-point synopsis on what is happening in our culture. The confusion and ignorance it’s drowning itself in due to a lack of having God as the focus, yet still grasping for love and acceptance, when God already does love and accept us, which is why he gave us rules to live by and traditions to follow, so through Him we could come together by loving one another.
I am Catholic and glad that Kanye isn't shamed to mention Jesus in his music which is rare in pop music esp. in today's "woke" socio-political climate. I may not be a fan his denominational background (or if he's leading or starting a new one) but this album is amazing.
THUMBS UP!! Brian, well spoken ...
It's a shame that TH-cam only allows you to like a video once!!! Great take, Brian!!! #Bravo
Thank you for that video!
Great insight! Good video!
Definitely not a Catholic, but I'm always encouraged when I find Catholics with whom I can agree on a great many ideas. I realize that within the greater umbrella of "Catholicism", there are a vast number of paradigms. I guess I just can't understand how anyone could hold to doctrines like apostolic succession and several others that are expounded within the dogma. None-the-less, I'm always down to love Jesus with others (whether or not they agree with me on everything)....to love Him via praise music, or via intellectual inquiry, or via service to His other creatures. Brand new to your channel, Brian, but I think I'll stick around.
So insightful Brian. I so appreciate your honest questions. I would even go as far as say, let's get back to Jesus and the pure, simplified Gospel. Let's identify with what Jesus did on the cross, not our religion, Lutheran, Catholic, Pentecostal......I subscribed to your channel.
Introduce your children (or yourself) to beautiful music. Understanding and promoting beauty is IMPORTANT.
Entropy is a word we could apply to 21st century man. As a philosopher, you should look into how it is affecting us. I think you believe as I do that a restoration of traditional Catholic values and liturgy is the only way to live well, with integrity.
This is the best video I will like to subscribe period
I won't criticize Kanye because often our zeal and first steps are spiritually immature, or a lot about self. Rare is the Christian who goes from world to Saint immediately. That being said, I ultimately agree with you. It is sad that so many Catholics are ready to leave sacred tradition and Catholic identity for "relevance." I am turning to Catholicsm partly because I am sick of modern relativism and seek Truth in sacred tradition. We humans like to be part of the "in crowd" and compromise to get there. The Bible says we are a peculiar people. I wish Kanye well and pray that he grows deeply in the Faith.
8:44-8:57 Nice to see you referring to my home country. Greetings from Estonia!!
Brian H always captures the truth and order in chaos.
Traditional Latin Mass is the only way forward.
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What about English songs?
Makes sense so noone understands
This is not a service this is a show and since Christianity has become so frowned on for so long people have forgotten about it, it's a very good career move in the entertainment industry, he is leading the pack. Resurrect the old religion with old music and new lyrics and look at the crowd you can pull in. The term 'wolf in sheep's clothing' springs to mind.
All in white clothing reminds me of another musician setting up a cult to much enthusiasm from his mindless followers (Jared Leto, don't know much other than some very strange footage I saw on SM).
Instant conversions are rarely sincere, especially not at crowd level unless we are talking about a cult and people who are predisposed to fall into cults.
It costs a lot of money to set up those concerts and he certainly knows about marketing and playing to the crowd. New-found religion can be very profitable as the large venues and performances at mega churches and cults over time have shown.
God will use whoever He chooses to spread the Gospel and if the Pope doesn’t want to evangelize and is ok with idol worship than God will bring people to His Son in His own way. Kanye seems to be having a true conversion and is doing more to bring people to Our Lord Jesus Christ than our Pope. God uses the foolish to confound the wise. Kanye has people professing Jesus is King. His lyrics use sound doctrine. He does have a bible believing pastor at his Sunday service. Check out LA and Detroit sermons. Jesus is our first priority. Let God’s Holy Will Be done. Pray the Catholic Church will be there as this generation turns to Christ and will eventually find the fullness of faith. Praise the Name above all names Jesus Christ.
I do not know how people have not noticed that the trends are all hand-picked to dismantle over ti.e everything that makes us human and our identity therein. I mean this in regards to the direction of the popular culture.
I've realized over the past year that one of the big gaps in my life is that I have no access to authentic Catholic culture.
I see a lot of judgement here. We cannot know what is an another person’s heart for one. And then to claim that the pattern with most rock bands is to get along long enough, and keep each other away from drugs long enough to be successful before you break up? Really, is that the pettiness we’re going with
Yikes. Music is business. We have to be aware of business practices that shape and direct the artists that are presented to us by the music industry. It's a long, involved discussion.
I have no idea what Kanye is doing musically. I don’t listen to it. However he is bringing people to the word and making it more acceptable for young people within their social structure to be a Christian and worship God. That has to be a good thing.
Phil 1:18: "What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in that I rejoice."
Dear Brian, Thank you what you're saying here is so true. We need the Holy Spirit more than ever...my husband and I are working on a Sacred Music Album right now which will be a cappella and more contemplative.
Come Holy Spirit!🙏🏻🕊🔥🎼
God bless you!
Greetings in Jesus, Mary and Joseph,
Angèle
I agree with most of what you said in this video. The main hypothesis does not seem to be clear. It seems like the video should be titled, “Even Christian pop culture should not be considered culture.” I am a big fan of Kanye’s new album, and I support any art that praises God truthfully, beautifully, and well. It’s a great point about not letting pop culture be a substitute for true culture. What amount of affection and time to even the best of pop culture is proper?
I have been looking for an informed appraisal of this new album. I am glad that, since West has the freedom and money to express anything, he would choose to express this instead of materialism/consumerism. All the same, like smartphones and social media, I am reluctant to buy into too quickly, if for no other reason than that so many people have bought it wholesale, without pausing to see if they should, or what the consequences will be. A tree is known by its fruit.. I am no rejecting it at all. I just want to see what the fruit of it will be.
Brian here opens by saying how exciting an genuine and moving West's new album is... And then he spends the whole rest of the video exposing our broken pop-anti-culture. I agree... So the new album is good..... but it's also bad?
Matthew Bateman it is bad because Brian outlines how it misused the Lamentation piece.
But it’s good in how it’s a sort of cry for help. Kanye and everyone consuming his media knows something better is out there, something beyond our imaginations. The pop music is a limitation on that, an obstacle bought from capitalists.
What we should take from Kanye is an understanding that God is still there and our cultures can be reclaimed. We need only cease to be consumerists. The culture will be restored naturally if we only keep ourselves from being sold an artificial culture.
I can relate to much of what you said. I once came across a chant Christmas CD that included Victimae Paschali. The chant was beautifully sung but they obviously did not know Latin or the history of this Sequence. I emailed them and informed them of their error. Hopefully modern man will learn to go beyond the beauty of Catholic Culture and actually engage themselves with the message that goes with it. I also am hopeful and praying for Kanye in his journey.
I tried to listen to “Jesus as king” but it’s not the kind of music that moves me. Elvis “Crying in the chapel” is the kind of Gospel that I like.
On the day of Pentecost, the Disciple of Jesus Christ were told they have lost their mind whenThe HOLY SPIRIT fall on them.
If Kanye have lost his mind by finding JESUS CHRIST
So do I. There are a lot of us that have found JESUS CHRIST.
I promise you we are in a better place.
Even if we walk alone with JESUS CHRIST we are fine.
Join us or leave us alone. We are soldiers of JESUS CHRIST.
jezebel don't stand a chance.
First: There is more than one path to God. If Kanye's music brings people closed to God that is a positive. Second: Art has always been driven by a market. The great works of the renaissance were created through the patronage of princes and bishops who wanted to show their power and wealth.
Brian, this is superb! Really cleared my mind.
Dear Brian, I'm afraid, this time I can't agree to your video as much as usually. My mother toung is German (from Austria). Yes, in past centuries our culture here contributed a lot to church music. Eg. Mozart's or Haydn's masses. Or the Christmas carol Stille Nacht = Silent Night among others. But since the 20th century, there came the gospels, Taizé chants, phantastic church songs, which combine music and deep lyrics, resulting in musical prayer and adoration and praise. Recently, many songs of groups like Hillong outperform profane pop by far! So, am I more optimistic than you in this aspect or didn't I get your point correctly? (But I do admit hating 'Jingle Bells', which will contaminate Austria's warehouses like every year soon.) :-)
New comment: sorry, now after watching parts of a Kanye West Sunday service, I agree that this kind of christian service is rather an expression of African tribal culture than anything else.
Martin Ripka As an African Catholic , I am puzzled by your reference to African tribal culture . What do you mean?
Anyway it is not a perfect Church event but I saw videos of young people expressing interest in Church because of it. One even said he is now more open minded. This is a very good thing God can build on. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water
thumb down when you sugested "hip hop is not a culture because it uses sample". so rap gospel is not a thing?
Why as a catholic christian it’s so hard for us to celebrate someone, especially if God’s prodigal son came back to God. You expect him to be Saint immediately.
Let him start from where he is and then maybe he will come to Catholicism. I can’t stand box thinking, boring to listen.
Bhut Brian I love you. May God bless you and your family
My personal opinion is that in order to have a "shared experience" we need to rediscover what it means to be Catholics and Christians. It seems to me that many people do not know, or have fallen asleep to what it means, and there are all kinds of factions going in different directions. We need to remember that we are the 72 that Christ set forth to spread his message, and isn't that exciting, risky, edgy, countercultural and dangerous? It was for them, surely, and it is for us, just in a different way. I think our expressions of what it means to be a Christian and have Christ as our Savior will grow out of our redefinition of who we are, but we are struggling to find ourselves in these times.
This was pretty interesting. But at 9:27 you say "you can't have a plurality of culture and expect that some sort of singular culture will emerge out of that" but that is precisely what American culture is. We are the melting pot and the reason we are is specifically for the purpose of engineering a cultural container that will hold all of the world's people under one roof. This country was designed that way from the very beginning, on purpose. There has never been any other way in this country. What you need to understand is that this is Freemason culture, and the melting pot is a specific part of it. th-cam.com/video/-31Zf2297ZI/w-d-xo.html
Your opening soundtrack is very good
This was definitely a good analysis of the current moment. However, in this day and age of severe secularism, it does make me happy that someone like Kanye is willing to put christ at the center of his work, even if it meant a lot of his fans criticize him for it.
I think the big reason the christian faith in all denominations is hurting is because as a whole, we don't teach our kids why they should believe, we just teach them what to believe. We're not establishing a firm foundation, so when they grow up and move off of their parent's foundation, their's crumbles because it's built on sand.
Let us pray that Mr. West discovers and embraces the fullness of truth in the Roman Catholic Church, and brings along as many souls as he can.
Great video. Powerful stuff. Bravo!
Love the chant in the beginning and end
Peter Kreeft in his _Snakebite Letters_ says, through his devil viewpoint character, the reason there are so many limp wristed liturgies is because we have so many limp wristed liturgists. Unmanly, "nice people" have dominated Catholic hymn writing for decades. Two days ago, I attended a daily Mass that was part of the parishes school celebration, but the result was an ear grating, minor key experience of songs chosen for maximum dippiness that maybe only 40 some badly lead and practiced kids sang. Thank God, the actual liturgy was orthodox and the homily relevant
Please, someone, tell me the name of the song playing in the background.
Link in description. :)
Brian I think you're letting your hate for pop culture to cloud your judgment.
Why can't we as the body of Christ be glad our brother Kanye, who was consumed by the evil forces of pop culture, is using his talent to spread the Good News by using the very pop culture?
Please let's stop spreading hate amongst ourselves. Let's pray for our brothers and sisters instead.
Pray for Kanye. Amen.
Not saying it is but it is very possible that this kanye phenomenon could be a ploy to co opt the massive movement of the youth returning to traditional Christianity
Rap and Hip Hop comes from a place of desperation not consumerism the market has made it that for sure. It went from intercity parties to talking about real issues in the inner city. Yes often with vulgar language. It’s an expression of what many had to work with. It’s a shared experience that’s lost it’s meaning in the mainstream consumer market.
This is one of the finest videos I've ever seen on U-Tube.
I am not Christian, no 'motivation' there.
It is I think an overly intellectualized expression of culture that plagues us.
Trying to disentangle everything social from a 'culture' is not possible. The narrator is right.
Culture cannot be created or sustained intellectually.
And human beings need it, they need it because they ARE human.
A culture is a very basic human need. It is not a fearful vulnerability. I think some folks may construe a percieved perceived vulnerability as some lack of control; and for people - there is nothing worse than that.
'Culture' is a fundamental emotional cohesion that cannot be 'reasoned' away.
And for me, a faith means really just this, it need not be an abrogation of any kind. It's not intellectual suicide. It's just a human need. Some people maybe are truly afraid to be human.
Why is there then this adversarial relationship with our minds, and being a human being ?
Cuture is an emotional human expression not an intellectual one.
Pitting our humanness against our our minds will always be a loss - it's been nothing but frustration so far.
Small wonder then why a 'free economy' would go after it with such gusto,
it's really just a big pile of money sitting right there.
Best vid I seen in ages.
Wonderful thank you.
smart...beautiful. Thankyou for good content
Great Insight!!!!!!!!
i like what you said and i'll be following along. i just wish you wouldn't obscure that beautiful icon on the shelf.
Brian Holdsworth your talking about the village again.:) With our Priest we talk about restoring the Catholic neighborhood. Bring back guilds so fathers can teach their sons. We talk about being of the same mind speaking the same thing, affirming one another backing one another up so our children aren't confused about what God wants from His People. We need an inoculation of the True Catholic culture it's time for the laity to restore the church.
Hmmm 🤔 so much here. Hope this makes sense... Id like to be part of a catholic artist culture. If anyone knows where to find one I’d be grateful... Making media/entertainment/art that honors God and honors women, shows true wholesome romance, messing up and starting again, adulting etc. There’s really so much that could be explored. I think we could use more of those kinds of songs, movies, short stories, novels etc... I don’t think enough of Catholic Christian culture is shown by any means. I think that makes people doubt it. But also the other side is actually having it in the world living and breathing and growing. Mary pray for us. Jesus guide us. I think your thoughts are interesting and that you have a lot that could be fleshed out and articulated even more. Hope you do a part 2 or a follow up of some sort.
If you read his lyrics, & listen to his intes, there is nothing that does not praise God. He is bring much needed attention to God from the youth culture, & I don't know of another person of his stature that can do it, not even Gaga...whom is straight demonic
Btw, Catholics are not Christians.
Jesus Christ is the only one God we have to follow in order to be saved and (he is only One spirit i.e Father made flesh i.e son)
They ( catholics and other so called christians culs ) have to come out of here ( babylon the great) Jeremiah 51 v I will punish Bel in Babylon. I will make him spew out what he swallowed. The nations will no longer stream to him; even the wall of Babylon will fall. 45Come out from among her, My people! Save your lives, each of you, from the fierce anger of the LORD.
John 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
God is One Spirit made flesh in Christ ===> Ephesians 4 the person of God is Jésus Christ. The Spirit of God is Christ spirit : Romans 8 v 9
Catholics have a triune God ====> Rev 16 v 13 so they are no disiciples of Christ, they just follow traditions of men, the culture