Great to see you back Scott! The most articulate TH-cam atheist I have ever had the pleasure of watching, and this is another excellent rebuttal. Your sound logical and rational approach to the presentation of your arguments makes them a joy to watch.
TBS, I'm always happy to see your videos in my sub box! Thanks for taking the time to make such carefully reasoned arguments. More than once, I've used your videos as a starting point for arguments with my religious friends and they have been truly helpful in articulating my thoughts better than I ever could have.
What a coincidence! I just finished scripting a video in which I planned to link to your original video on the subject (along with dasamericanatheist's formulation of the argument). Now it looks as though I'll be adding this one too. Great to see you posting again, and glad to hear that you're working plenty. No better reason to take breaks from youtube.
"Why, oh why, can't I make a video under 10 minutes anymore?" So what?? You are one of only a few that never seems to speak too long. Your delivery is quick, concise, and thought provoking. That's what counts Thanks for the upload and kudos.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I've reached the end of the videooo!! I loved it!!! and yet this is also a sad moment as I know another video will not come for soooooooooooooooooo soooo long!! Now I wish I hadn't watched it just so I could still potentially watch it.
Good to see you back, Scott. We are all happy to learn that your mind isn't wasting away on the set of soap operas. Also, judging from the echo in your (new?) condo, you either upgraded in size, or you need more furniture!
For some reason it made me happy that you had to look up a word and a word I've been meaning to look up at that. This was especially fun to watch having hung out with Noah a few times now myself. He's a good kid, so are you.
Hey, TBS, what's your job, what do you do for a living and how long does (did) it take you to come up with these arguments. By the way I'm glad you made another video I think you stop around the time I subed to you, you're one of my favorate youtubers because of how well put your arguments are, and maybe it's just because I don't really look for videos like yours, but I'm still glad to see your face again.
Well spoken and, as usual, thorough as hell. This argument still seems to come back to (generally speaking), the impotent, ignorant or imaginary argument... I guess most do. Either that or Pascal.
@Sethorin I actually reject the idea of "free will" completely, but I'm assuming it for the sake of argument in this video. Maybe I'll do a video about it someday. Good catch. (Yeah, I've seen Harris' lecture on it. Thought it was great.)
Glad to see you're back, even if from time to time. I place you along side Dawkins, Harris, Ehrman, etc. etc. I'm in my 70's and spent about 45 years entrenched as a strong born-again Christian. Coming out was a process but an enjoyable time in a reading/studying frenzy(which continues). Lots of WOW moments! Today I'm FREE and love listening to you. Keep up the good work of clearly explaining and presenting such solid logical arguments.
It's okay that you're absent. You have a 100+ videos for us to enjoy AND you have a life outside of youtube. Take however long of an hiatus you need ... but I'm glad you're back.
I finished watching Veritas' response (to catch up) thinking, "Man. how the hell is Scott gonna tackle this one?", and yet. like always, you managed it beautifully! I especially liked the part about the involuntary nature of belief-forming. An interesting side-note: that conclusion may actually negate free will entirely, though you do profess a belief in free will (regarding actions) in this video. Have you watched Sam Harris' lecture on the illusion of free will? It's quite intriguing.
"Belief is an involuntary reaction created when our minds are exposed to new external information or reasoning." Yeah, sure, I guess. There are lots of ways for our beliefs to change, though. I wouldn't try to pin it down on one given phenomenon or another.
Glad to see a new video! If you can, you should get Noah/Veritas48 to come and make a video with you. Would love to see how much his views have changed and see you two discuss things in a "live" conversation.
I gotta say, it gives me hope and makes me just a bit more optimistic about the overriding power of humanity to hear that you and Noah have struck up an amiable friendship in spite of the fact that as best I can tell you have utterly shreaded every one of his arguments that you've ever decided to rebut. Maybe we can all get along after all as Rodney King once pleaded! Thanks for sharing that tidbit of people-affirming information.
On the subject of this god having a sufficient reason for allowing nonbelief and allowing this and that ... I have to say that I don’t agree with that and I think it might be all wrong. We _humans_ have sometimes sufficient reasons for the harm we cause or inflict. Because we have no other option. We’re limited in our power. Doctors cause harm all the time; they cut people open, they cause them pain, they do things that lead to side effects, and the patients end up scared, and sometimes mentally too. But. This is the only way we can perform operations. So we allow this. But gods have no such excuse. They are omnipotent. If a god performed an operation with knives and drugs and all, that is by definition unnecessary harm. Even if the patient ends up with as much as a hiccup, that’s unnecessary. It’s within the power of gods to solve problems without any harm. They are omnipotent. They are capable of doing anything. By the very definition of omnipotence and omnibenevolence; it’s incoherent to say ‘God had reason X Y or Z to allow or cause this harm’.
You've been busy working? I know. I've been watching non-stop Hope/Liam/Steffy plotlines for a gajilllion years! Plus I live in Australia, so everything is released about 3 months delayed and I'm still right in the middle of it. Haha. Anyway, I'm glad you're back, and I hope you're going to continue making videos more regularly. I need my fix of intelligent arguments!
Ok, would you mind expanding on how rationality is undermined by deterministic thoguht processes under the problem of criterion? IT seems to me the answer to the problem under determinism is answered as methodistic, almost by definition.
Scott, you've made my day by uploading a video and clearly I'm not alone. The only thing I dislike about you is that listening to you makes me feel so unintelligent... ugh =)
Really glad to see you posting videos again. One nitpick, only because it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. You say that knowledge and belief are essentially indistinguishable, and I agree. At 5:58 however, you suggest that "knowledge" is basically "belief" that's "actually true". It seems preferable to say that the difference between knowledge and belief is really about degrees of certainty, not about truth. Many people "know" that dowsing is effective, for example.
That's a fair question to ask, given the premise. My first two responses were tackling your definitions of "belief-without-proof, reality denial, belief in the face of contradictory facts or absent data" in your first post. That definition muddied the grander point I ultimately understood you were making.
I'd like to see you write a book on this and related topics. I think your youtube channel has much of the work already in it waiting to be transcribed.
In these years of my subscription, the dissonance of seeing your face both on the breakroom TVs at work and on here, as it gushes one of the most rational voices on the internet, has never receded beyond surreal.
Does anyone know where can I reach Noah? Does he have a blog, forum, youtube/vimeo channel? I was sure he'd change his views at some point and I'm very curious about what his views about religion are now.
I love your videos...and I am a non-christian, non-mainstream religion believer in a loving God. My God loves this type of debate and holds no judgment against, nor condemns nonbelievers. The True Gnostic Church. Keep up the good debate. You're just scratching the surface. Regards! Noodle
That's why I put it in quotes. It was Scott's term. I clarified in parenthesis that the view of God having knowledge of what we would freely choose in all possible worlds pertains to Molinism. In any case, the argument stands regardless of what label you want to give the apologetic counter and my subsequent response.
One thing you didnt mention is that the alcoholic analogy also have a problem because the alcoholic know he drinks. If he acept to call him self alcoholic or not, doesnt matter. He know he drinks. He doesnt have a choice about that. Good video men. Glad to see you again making videos
17:35 This is all me! “All belief is involuntary”. You’re saying my main arguments here. The fact that belief is necessarily involuntary means I can’t choose to believe in God any more than Noah can choose to stop believing in God. You’re saying what I would say and you’re saying all that needs to be said.
i know i am not the guy you were talking to, but what you said i found it interesting : how did you reach the 'intelligent decision' of having faith in christianity?
@SisyphusRedeemed @SisyphusRedeemed To "follow certain rules of inference", or to "reject evidence in favor of faith", are courses of action. They are not believed propositions. A believed proposition would be, "X is a poor rule of inference". And if you believe this, you cannot suddenly choose to become genuinely convinced that "X is a stellar rule of inference".
This is definitely the most potent argument or "problem" I've heard for orthodox Christianity. I've actually been getting a lot of people recently asserting that everyone knows "in their heart" that the Christian God exists. At that point, I'm tempted to dismiss them as being disingenuous.
I love it. He's asked veritas which video's he's most proud of. Then says, "Hey I never responded to that one. Let me go back and destroy that argument from 2 years ago." lol I know thats not what the thought process was but it's kinda what you did. Congrats on all your success and your career. We miss you on TH-cam.
I'm happy you posted this comment because I too was surprised that you seemed to accept "free will" yourself in this video. Although I'm slightly disappointed because I would have loved to hear you articulate such a position.
Theoretical Bullshit I'm familiar with the fact that beliefs are reflected in our actions, but I was not aware that the brain activity was the same for both belief and knowledge responses. I find that both intuitive and highly disturbing at the same time, but it would explain a lot about human nature.
I have to agree with Garret, here, about choosing to believe certain things. Many, many times in our experiences, we see people choose to/ to not believe various things. The example with the alcoholic you addressed for instance, so many people with drinking problems will simply NOT admit that it's a problem. And that's not an action. It's a belief.
From 15:00 to 16:30 your argument about freewill and belief. That’s my argument! The one I think so much depends upon. It shouldn’t be glossed over or only mentioned. It is the crux of the whole Theist / Atheist problem. If someone as articulate as you would thrash it out in all its detail and implications, I cannot see how any theist could resist its explanatory power.
I do not go along with anyone who asserts that there is anything that *is* unknowable; to know that there are unknowable things would require absolute knowledge, and I haven't heard that anyone has that.
Angel Of Clarity I agree. Or someone like Scott onto the Supreme Court. Could you imagine? Btw. I noticed you aren't subscribed to Theramintrees or QualiaSoup. Do yourself a favor and get on their channels. Their content is on the same level of quality of Theoretical Bullshit's content. In fact; I recommend you go to my channel and find my "recommended channels" playlist, and take a look at the ones you haven't yet seen before :) Peace, friend.
now I am down to only requiring to demonstrate that all things have a beginning...even where there is no cause.... okay so lets say the universe started. At what point in time was the initial cause of this universe manifest? Can the cause be inside the universe or does it need to be external. Well theres no time outside the universe so it can't be there......which puts the cause anywhere from AFTER the start to the end of the universe in chronological time. However time is not linear.
Scott, I just wanted to say I only recently discovered you here on TH-cam (I'm the one who's new) and wanted you to know that I really enjoy your postings! Beauty AND brains! WOW! That's a rare combination! LOL Seriously, I find your videos VERY enjoyable and enlightening. I can't help but to ask: do you have a degree in philosophy? You're a very good logician. Despite my degree in philosophy, I never was good at debate. I know I let my emotions get in the way. Anyway, keep up the good work!
That simply begs the question; already what's in question is explicitly assumed in the word “start” if you’re an Eternalist or you think that something is in fact eternal then it doesn’t start. It's always been there.
I'm not under that impression (although, a majority of people throughout history certainly haven't "accepted Christ as their savior"). In any case, the ratio of believers to unbelievers is irrelevant to my argument. The existence of any unbelievers at all is enough.
TBS, you should do a video on whether delusional belief is genuine belief. Personally, I've noticed that people who are deluded don't really care if their beliefs are true or not, which makes you wonder that maybe it is possible to actively believe something just because you want to and you therefore genuinely believe it.
Great to see you back Scott! The most articulate TH-cam atheist I have ever had the pleasure of watching, and this is another excellent rebuttal. Your sound logical and rational approach to the presentation of your arguments makes them a joy to watch.
Very well put. Good to see you're back doing videos, and I hope you post a bit more frequently. Always enjoy listening to you.
TBS, I'm always happy to see your videos in my sub box! Thanks for taking the time to make such carefully reasoned arguments. More than once, I've used your videos as a starting point for arguments with my religious friends and they have been truly helpful in articulating my thoughts better than I ever could have.
I haven't watched it yet but I wanted to say thank you for making another video. I look forward to your videos more than anything on youtube.
I swear I started watching this video and after what seemed like five minutes, over thirty had passed. Profound and eloquent as always Scott.
Wow! So good to see you back. I think everyone missed hearing your thought provoking insights.
What a coincidence! I just finished scripting a video in which I planned to link to your original video on the subject (along with dasamericanatheist's formulation of the argument). Now it looks as though I'll be adding this one too. Great to see you posting again, and glad to hear that you're working plenty. No better reason to take breaks from youtube.
"Why, oh why, can't I make a video under 10 minutes anymore?"
So what?? You are one of only a few that never seems to speak too long. Your delivery is quick, concise, and thought provoking. That's what counts Thanks for the upload and kudos.
I just saw you on the tv-machine, and now you are here on youtube talking, it's like magic.
Glad to see you back on here - no matter how brief this spur of posting may be... :)
Good to listen to and see you again ... my brain feels kinda combed through each time I listen to you :)
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I've reached the end of the videooo!! I loved it!!! and yet this is also a sad moment as I know another video will not come for soooooooooooooooooo soooo long!! Now I wish I hadn't watched it just so I could still potentially watch it.
When I saw your video it felt like Christmas, new year, and my birthday at the same time!
I wonder if this may lure noah back onto YT? Would be nice to see him return.
Great video, as always i appreciate your attention to detail.
Good to see you back, Scott. We are all happy to learn that your mind isn't wasting away on the set of soap operas. Also, judging from the echo in your (new?) condo, you either upgraded in size, or you need more furniture!
Wonderful video, and it's really great to see you back, even if it's just for this one video.
Wow, over 3.000 views in just about 24 hours...glad to see others missed your videos as much as I have. Thanks.
I demand all future videos be over 30 minutes! Great work here... :P
Where would you recommend someone who is interested in your thoughts begin watching? Do your videos go chronologically from a main thesis?
For some reason it made me happy that you had to look up a word and a word I've been meaning to look up at that.
This was especially fun to watch having hung out with Noah a few times now myself. He's a good kid, so are you.
Hey, TBS, what's your job, what do you do for a living and how long does (did) it take you to come up with these arguments. By the way I'm glad you made another video I think you stop around the time I subed to you, you're one of my favorate youtubers because of how well put your arguments are, and maybe it's just because I don't really look for videos like yours, but I'm still glad to see your face again.
Well spoken and, as usual, thorough as hell. This argument still seems to come back to (generally speaking), the impotent, ignorant or imaginary argument... I guess most do. Either that or Pascal.
@Sethorin I actually reject the idea of "free will" completely, but I'm assuming it for the sake of argument in this video. Maybe I'll do a video about it someday. Good catch. (Yeah, I've seen Harris' lecture on it. Thought it was great.)
Good to see you back. Saw you on TV about a year ago. Had a 'not bad face' moment.
Glad to see you're back, even if from time to time. I place you along side Dawkins, Harris, Ehrman, etc. etc. I'm in my 70's and spent about 45 years entrenched as a strong born-again Christian. Coming out was a process but an enjoyable time in a reading/studying frenzy(which continues). Lots of WOW moments! Today I'm FREE and love listening to you. Keep up the good work of clearly explaining and presenting such solid logical arguments.
Scott you're smarter at 30 than i'm at 40! I wish I could articulate my thoughts so well! I also wish I had 20% of your looks.
It's okay that you're absent. You have a 100+ videos for us to enjoy AND you have a life outside of youtube. Take however long of an hiatus you need ... but I'm glad you're back.
I finished watching Veritas' response (to catch up) thinking, "Man. how the hell is Scott gonna tackle this one?", and yet. like always, you managed it beautifully! I especially liked the part about the involuntary nature of belief-forming. An interesting side-note: that conclusion may actually negate free will entirely, though you do profess a belief in free will (regarding actions) in this video. Have you watched Sam Harris' lecture on the illusion of free will? It's quite intriguing.
"Belief is an involuntary reaction created when our minds are exposed to new external information or reasoning."
Yeah, sure, I guess. There are lots of ways for our beliefs to change, though. I wouldn't try to pin it down on one given phenomenon or another.
Are you back? Nice to see a video up from you again.
Very glad to see you back, Scott. I hope we see more of your excellent videos in the summer!
Glad to see a new video! If you can, you should get Noah/Veritas48 to come and make a video with you. Would love to see how much his views have changed and see you two discuss things in a "live" conversation.
The Vimeo link is dead. Apparently the video was taken down about a week ago, on the 4th.
I gotta say, it gives me hope and makes me just a bit more optimistic about the overriding power of humanity to hear that you and Noah have struck up an amiable friendship in spite of the fact that as best I can tell you have utterly shreaded every one of his arguments that you've ever decided to rebut.
Maybe we can all get along after all as Rodney King once pleaded!
Thanks for sharing that tidbit of people-affirming information.
On the subject of this god having a sufficient reason for allowing nonbelief and allowing this and that ... I have to say that I don’t agree with that and I think it might be all wrong. We _humans_ have sometimes sufficient reasons for the harm we cause or inflict. Because we have no other option. We’re limited in our power. Doctors cause harm all the time; they cut people open, they cause them pain, they do things that lead to side effects, and the patients end up scared, and sometimes mentally too. But. This is the only way we can perform operations. So we allow this. But gods have no such excuse. They are omnipotent. If a god performed an operation with knives and drugs and all, that is by definition unnecessary harm. Even if the patient ends up with as much as a hiccup, that’s unnecessary. It’s within the power of gods to solve problems without any harm. They are omnipotent. They are capable of doing anything. By the very definition of omnipotence and omnibenevolence; it’s incoherent to say ‘God had reason X Y or Z to allow or cause this harm’.
You've been busy working? I know. I've been watching non-stop Hope/Liam/Steffy plotlines for a gajilllion years! Plus I live in Australia, so everything is released about 3 months delayed and I'm still right in the middle of it. Haha.
Anyway, I'm glad you're back, and I hope you're going to continue making videos more regularly. I need my fix of intelligent arguments!
Ok, would you mind expanding on how rationality is undermined by deterministic thoguht processes under the problem of criterion? IT seems to me the answer to the problem under determinism is answered as methodistic, almost by definition.
Scott, you've made my day by uploading a video and clearly I'm not alone. The only thing I dislike about you is that listening to you makes me feel so unintelligent... ugh =)
Really glad to see you posting videos again. One nitpick, only because it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. You say that knowledge and belief are essentially indistinguishable, and I agree. At 5:58 however, you suggest that "knowledge" is basically "belief" that's "actually true". It seems preferable to say that the difference between knowledge and belief is really about degrees of certainty, not about truth. Many people "know" that dowsing is effective, for example.
That's a fair question to ask, given the premise. My first two responses were tackling your definitions of "belief-without-proof, reality denial, belief in the face of contradictory facts or absent data" in your first post. That definition muddied the grander point I ultimately understood you were making.
The amount of thought and effort you put into sharing your ideas with the rest of us is really admirable and most definitely appreciated!
Hey. Great to see you back. I know how things can be. Hope to see some more videos, seriously.
I'd like to see you write a book on this and related topics. I think your youtube channel has much of the work already in it waiting to be transcribed.
Why has this video showed up on my home page as "uploaded" four times now?
In these years of my subscription, the dissonance of seeing your face both on the breakroom TVs at work and on here, as it gushes one of the most rational voices on the internet, has never receded beyond surreal.
Dude.. Where did you get that shirt? I love it!
So great to see you back. I really admire your use of vocabulary, and your capacity for rational deconstruction.
Does anyone know where can I reach Noah? Does he have a blog, forum, youtube/vimeo channel? I was sure he'd change his views at some point and I'm very curious about what his views about religion are now.
I love your videos...and I am a non-christian, non-mainstream religion believer in a loving God. My God loves this type of debate and holds no judgment against, nor condemns nonbelievers. The True Gnostic Church. Keep up the good debate. You're just scratching the surface. Regards! Noodle
Any chance we'll be getting any new videos anytime soon?
Great to see you back! Hope to see some more videos from you!
That's why I put it in quotes. It was Scott's term. I clarified in parenthesis that the view of God having knowledge of what we would freely choose in all possible worlds pertains to Molinism. In any case, the argument stands regardless of what label you want to give the apologetic counter and my subsequent response.
Looks like noah's video is no longer there on vimeo
One thing you didnt mention is that the alcoholic analogy also have a problem because the alcoholic know he drinks. If he acept to call him self alcoholic or not, doesnt matter. He know he drinks. He doesnt have a choice about that.
Good video men. Glad to see you again making videos
17:35 This is all me! “All belief is involuntary”. You’re saying my main arguments here. The fact that belief is necessarily involuntary means I can’t choose to believe in God any more than Noah can choose to stop believing in God. You’re saying what I would say and you’re saying all that needs to be said.
Does Veritas48's argument work for the existence of Santa as well?
i know i am not the guy you were talking to, but what you said i found it interesting : how did you reach the 'intelligent decision' of having faith in christianity?
Christian here, Great video scott I'm glad you're back! Keep up the videos man
TBS! So glad to see you making videos again. Don't you dare go away again or everyone will cry again.
Thanks for the video, well spoken as usual. I don't know how you manage to be so eloquent.
@SisyphusRedeemed @SisyphusRedeemed To "follow certain rules of inference", or to "reject evidence in favor of faith", are courses of action. They are not believed propositions. A believed proposition would be, "X is a poor rule of inference". And if you believe this, you cannot suddenly choose to become genuinely convinced that "X is a stellar rule of inference".
This is definitely the most potent argument or "problem" I've heard for orthodox Christianity. I've actually been getting a lot of people recently asserting that everyone knows "in their heart" that the Christian God exists. At that point, I'm tempted to dismiss them as being disingenuous.
Nice to have you back making videos again.
Anyone know if he chose yet? I haven't been paying attention.? Did he pick Steffy or Hope?
I love it. He's asked veritas which video's he's most proud of. Then says, "Hey I never responded to that one. Let me go back and destroy that argument from 2 years ago." lol I know thats not what the thought process was but it's kinda what you did. Congrats on all your success and your career. We miss you on TH-cam.
The link to Noah's response doesn't work for me. :(
Hey, Scott, are you going on The Magic Sandwich Show this weekend?
Depends on what you mean by "faulted", don't you think?
Do you have a response to the larger point?
Thanks for posting a new video! Good to have you back!
"The individuals acceptance or denial of their predicament is irrelevant to the diagnosis..."
Good to hear from you again. Once again an interesting video with good points. I enjoyed watching it. :)
Oh how I've missed you, Scott!! Welcome back!!
I'm happy you posted this comment because I too was surprised that you seemed to accept "free will" yourself in this video. Although I'm slightly disappointed because I would have loved to hear you articulate such a position.
Theoretical Bullshit I'm familiar with the fact that beliefs are reflected in our actions, but I was not aware that the brain activity was the same for both belief and knowledge responses. I find that both intuitive and highly disturbing at the same time, but it would explain a lot about human nature.
I have to agree with Garret, here, about choosing to believe certain things. Many, many times in our experiences, we see people choose to/ to not believe various things. The example with the alcoholic you addressed for instance, so many people with drinking problems will simply NOT admit that it's a problem. And that's not an action. It's a belief.
From 15:00 to 16:30 your argument about freewill and belief. That’s my argument! The one I think so much depends upon. It shouldn’t be glossed over or only mentioned. It is the crux of the whole Theist / Atheist problem. If someone as articulate as you would thrash it out in all its detail and implications, I cannot see how any theist could resist its explanatory power.
Hey man, you were great in Harmful If Swallowed!
One of my favorite uploaders is back! Yay!
For starters, try Googling Sam Harris' doctoral thesis.
Great to see you back on youtube.
I do not go along with anyone who asserts that there is anything that *is* unknowable; to know that there are unknowable things would require absolute knowledge, and I haven't heard that anyone has that.
I am not sure if you noticed or cared but TBS responded to you and it for some reason didn't get put under your thread.
Waking up and finding TBS in my playlist is only topped by finding Philhellenes there.
So glad to see you back!
We need someone like Scott in the White House. Not that cheetah blasted oompah loompah we have now. I would assuredly vote for him.
Angel Of Clarity I agree. Or someone like Scott onto the Supreme Court. Could you imagine?
Btw. I noticed you aren't subscribed to Theramintrees or QualiaSoup. Do yourself a favor and get on their channels. Their content is on the same level of quality of Theoretical Bullshit's content.
In fact; I recommend you go to my channel and find my "recommended channels" playlist, and take a look at the ones you haven't yet seen before :)
Peace, friend.
@TheoreticalBullshit Noah's link doesn't work :( Also, great to have you back on youtube!
now I am down to only requiring to demonstrate that all things have a beginning...even where there is no cause....
okay so lets say the universe started. At what point in time was the initial cause of this universe manifest? Can the cause be inside the universe or does it need to be external.
Well theres no time outside the universe so it can't be there......which puts the cause anywhere from AFTER the start to the end of the universe in chronological time. However time is not linear.
@EvangelistEvan
Hasn't Scott already answered this question in his "treatise on morality" and follow up videos?
Scott,
I just wanted to say I only recently discovered you here on TH-cam (I'm the one who's new) and wanted you to know that I really enjoy your postings! Beauty AND brains! WOW! That's a rare combination! LOL
Seriously, I find your videos VERY enjoyable and enlightening. I can't help but to ask: do you have a degree in philosophy? You're a very good logician. Despite my degree in philosophy, I never was good at debate. I know I let my emotions get in the way. Anyway, keep up the good work!
Fantastic to hear from you again.
That simply begs the question; already what's in question is explicitly assumed in the word “start” if you’re an Eternalist or you think that something is in fact eternal then it doesn’t start. It's always been there.
That being said, none of that in any way affects my original point, which is that both believers and non-believers can be agnostic.
All things would haave to have a beginning otherwise how did they start?
I'm not under that impression (although, a majority of people throughout history certainly haven't "accepted Christ as their savior"). In any case, the ratio of believers to unbelievers is irrelevant to my argument. The existence of any unbelievers at all is enough.
TBS, you should do a video on whether delusional belief is genuine belief. Personally, I've noticed that people who are deluded don't really care if their beliefs are true or not, which makes you wonder that maybe it is possible to actively believe something just because you want to and you therefore genuinely believe it.
A TBS video? *drops everything*
I remember this on my first youtube account.. Holy crap, so much beef. I remember this from 2008... VERITAS
"Believing in the tooth fairy is foolish and for children."
Now make your case for the holy spirit.
Are you the guy from young and the restless?